| Riddell | :) | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | bulldog98_: Fixed the kinfocenter thing. Thanks. | 00:39 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1082345] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.80-0ubunt... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082345 (by Marcin Juszkiewicz) | 01:19 |
| ScottK | svn://svn.debian.org/python-apps/packages/pymilter-milters/trunk/ | 03:27 |
| ScottK | oops | 03:27 |
| ScottK | Meant to paste http://www.slideshare.net/ggreve/ec-workshop-on-frand-and-open-source | 03:28 |
| ScottK | Someone needs to add print-manager to the package list for the kubuntu-automation scripts | 04:05 |
| ScottK | afiestas: I tried to rebuild kamoso with the new libs from 4.9.80 and it fails with this error: http://paste.debian.net/211931/ is this something you've fixed already? | 05:02 |
| ScottK | kphotoalbum fails too (even the one from debian/experimental) | 05:11 |
| * ScottK will file a bug. | 05:11 | |
| ScottK | That leaves Digikam as the major non-SC package that's entangled with getting all of 4.9.80 from proposed to release. | 05:12 |
| ScottK | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310593 | 05:22 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 310593 in general "Fails to build with libraries for KDE SC 4.10 (i.e. 4.9.80)" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 05:22 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: add perlkde to that | 05:35 |
| shadeslayer | for some reason it's not picking up akonadi | 05:35 |
| ScottK | I just uploaded it. | 05:35 |
| ScottK | jr did a patch that was in ninjas | 05:35 |
| shadeslayer | oh cool | 05:35 |
| ScottK | So I think now it's mostly a matter of waiting for powerpc to build. | 05:37 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: If you wanted to start on the libs package for KDE Games, that would enable people to package a game here and there as they have time. | 05:38 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 05:39 |
| shadeslayer | the only problem is that I have to leave in another hour or so | 05:39 |
| * shadeslayer gives it a go anyway | 05:39 | |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Or you could package https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/accessibility/libkdeaccessibilityclient so kmag works better. | 05:41 |
| shadeslayer | already started on libkdegames | 05:42 |
| ScottK | OK | 05:46 |
| ScottK | Fixed up the package list in kubuntu-automation. | 05:46 |
| shadeslayer | question, should I ship private libs with the public libs package or make a separate package called libkdegamesprivate1 and make libkdegames6 depend on that? | 05:48 |
| * shadeslayer bundles with public libs for now | 05:54 | |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I'd have suggested split. | 06:03 |
| ScottK | That's what we did with akonadi, IIRC> | 06:03 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 06:04 |
| shadeslayer | well ... the do have a separate so version as well | 06:05 |
| shadeslayer | I'll have to go in 10 minutes, so initial packaging in lp:~rohangarg/+junk/libkdegames | 06:15 |
| shadeslayer | https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+junk/libkdegames | 06:15 |
| shadeslayer | primarily stuff like symbols and copyright is left | 06:15 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1082345] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-window-manager-common_4%3a4.9.80-0ubunt... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082345 (by Marcin Juszkiewicz) | 07:36 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1082604] package kde-workspace-bin 4:4.9.3-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082604 (by Alex Buell) | 09:40 |
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| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1082625] package kde-workspace-bin 4:4.9.3-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082625 (by Christian) | 11:41 |
| Riddell | claydoh: able to handle this? http://paste.kde.org/613814/ | 11:44 |
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| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:51 |
| mparillo | Anybody trying the new beta of KDE SC 4.10 with daily 13.04 Kubuntu Builds? Muon found the update, and after I applied it, I lost some indicator plasmoids on my panel, and the shutdown option was gone from my exit tab on the Kickoff Application Launcher. | 13:19 |
| mparillo | I think I am running a pretty generic Kubuntu 13.04 install, accepting all updates, and the only KDE app I am running out of the ordinary was Rekonq 1.3, which I compiled myself. | 13:19 |
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| shadeslayer | ok, back, resuming libkdegames | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | hmm odd | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | anyone fancy populating debian/copyright for libkdegames? :P | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | this thing has GPL v2 / GPL v2+ / LGPL-2 / LGPL-2+ / Custom license | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | oh wait | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | BSD as well | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | I guess the only thing left is Apache and MIT | 14:34 |
| Mamarok | shadeslayer: I am sure there are far too many | 14:39 |
| shadeslayer | well ... those are the major ones :) | 14:39 |
| Mamarok | still, for one package? That is just absurd | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 14:40 |
| Mamarok | espceially the v2 you can remove if there already is v2+ | 14:41 |
| Mamarok | this is redundant | 14:41 |
| Mamarok | and the custon license seems like a bad idea | 14:41 |
| Mamarok | get in touch with the authors and ask them to sort that out, it just makes no sense at all | 14:42 |
| Mamarok | they can ask for help in the eV | 14:42 |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegames/libkdegames/repository/revisions/master/entry/highscore/kscoredialog.h#L7 | 14:43 |
| Mamarok | that is not even a proper license | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | I agree | 14:44 |
| Mamarok | they really should sort that out | 14:44 |
| Mamarok | you can't ship a mix like that | 14:44 |
| Mamarok | ask in the games mailing list and make then aware that without a proper license the package can't be shipped by distributions | 14:45 |
| shadeslayer | since it's a lib, shouldn't it all be under LGPL? | 14:45 |
| Mamarok | that is to the authors to solve that, not to you | 14:45 |
| Mamarok | but they really have to sort that out, in that stage this is not shipable | 14:45 |
| Mamarok | they need to decide on a proper license | 14:46 |
| Mamarok | and since I don't know all the other dependencies let them sort that out | 14:46 |
| * shadeslayer will email the KDE Games ML then | 14:47 | |
| Mamarok | yes, copy to kubuntu-devel | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: just to make sure, do we have such weird licenses in the repo? https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegames/libkdegames/repository/revisions/master/entry/highscore/kscoredialog.h#L7 | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | hmm I wonder what the older package did | 14:49 |
| shadeslayer | this is a fun copyright file to look at | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | it has a email conversation in it | 14:50 |
| shadeslayer | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/kdegames/raring/view/head:/debian/copyright#L325 | 14:51 |
| Mamarok | oh my | 14:53 |
| Mamarok | and why are there copyright headers for card decks in that file? Thy should get legal counsellin, that is just totally absurd | 14:54 |
| Mamarok | maybe also remind then that KDE is an associate organisation of the FSFE, so legal counselling is available | 14:56 |
| shadeslayer | all this copyright stuff has made me hungry :] | 14:56 |
| * Mamarok is eating cake with tea | 14:58 | |
| * shadeslayer has no idea what's for dinner | 14:58 | |
| Mamarok | ask? | 14:59 |
| shadeslayer | I don't think anything is cooking ... | 15:00 |
| * shadeslayer peeks into the kitchen | 15:00 | |
| shadeslayer | hmm, some leftover food from lunch ... | 15:01 |
| Mamarok | leftovers are usually yummy | 15:02 |
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| ScottK | shadeslayer: That license is fine. It's a BSD license variant. | 15:35 |
| Mamarok | ScottK: then it should say so | 15:40 |
| ScottK | Mamarok: the literal BSD license can't properly be used by anything but the University of California. | 15:41 |
| ScottK | (since part of the text of it is Copyright Regents of the University of California) | 15:41 |
| ScottK | So seeing BSDish variants is really quite common. | 15:42 |
| Mamarok | ScottK: that I know, but if this is a license then it should say so, with the workd "license" | 15:42 |
| Mamarok | word* | 15:42 |
| ScottK | Right. Not arguing it's ideal, just that it's not a problem and not wildly different than a lot of other things. | 15:43 |
| Mamarok | still, they should make correct license headers to avoid any ambiguity | 15:43 |
| ScottK | When asked, I usually recommend the MIT license over BSD/some BSD variant. | 15:43 |
| Mamarok | ScottK: agreed, but the problem still is that they need to word their licenses correctly aka name the license explicitly | 15:45 |
| ScottK | I agree that would be better. | 15:46 |
| ScottK | There are copyrights in that file that go back to 1998. | 15:47 |
| ScottK | I suspect that's where the license comes from. | 15:47 |
| Mamarok | it is a giant mess IMO | 15:47 |
| ScottK | (such things used to be much more common than they are now) | 15:47 |
| ScottK | That would likely make it difficult to change. | 15:47 |
| Mamarok | and I bet there is little to no code left from the start, so it makes not much sense | 15:48 |
| ScottK | Could be. | 15:48 |
| Mamarok | but yes, if people do not adhere to s clear license structure you end up with a mess like that | 15:48 |
| Mamarok | s/s/a/ | 15:48 |
| kubotu | Mamarok meant: "but yea, if people do not adhere to s clear license structure you end up with a mess like that" | 15:48 |
| Mamarok | oops | 15:48 |
| Mamarok | *a clear license structure | 15:49 |
| ScottK | OTOH, it's clearly a free license and compatible with other KDE licenses, so I don't see an actual problem that results from it. | 15:49 |
| Mamarok | well, the problem is that the text is ambiguous as it doesn't clearly state the license it is. Mind you, I talk about https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegames/libkdegames/repository/revisions/master/entry/highscore/kscoredialog.h#L7 | 15:50 |
| ScottK | Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted ... | 15:51 |
| ScottK | That is sufficient. | 15:51 |
| ScottK | None of the following conditions render it non-free. | 15:51 |
| ScottK | Mamarok: The actual BSD license doesn't have the word license in it: http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php | 15:55 |
| Mamarok | well, once usually starts a license header with the name of the license | 15:56 |
| Mamarok | one* | 15:57 |
| Mamarok | like this: *This program is Free Software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the <license name>" | 15:59 |
| ScottK | the BSD license really doesn't work that way since there's not just one. | 16:02 |
| ScottK | Specifying BSD license might actually cause more confusion. | 16:03 |
| ScottK | Would someone else try to rebuild calligra? | 16:05 |
| Darkwing | Hey guys. Sorry it's been a while. | 16:05 |
| ScottK | We need to rebuiild it against the new kdegraphics libs and I get an unrelated build failure. | 16:05 |
| ScottK | Heya Darkwing. | 16:05 |
| Darkwing | Hye ScottK. I'm finally stable again. :D | 16:06 |
| ScottK | Great. | 16:06 |
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| yofel | hey Darkwing :) | 16:16 |
| yofel | ScottK: what variant is that actually? 3-clause? | 16:18 |
| ScottK | yofel: http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause yes | 16:21 |
| yofel | k | 16:21 |
| Darkwing | just to give an update. I'm finally in school and I finally have a place to stay and steady internet. :) | 16:22 |
| Darkwing | So, I'll actually be around for this cycle. | 16:22 |
| yofel | good to have you back, we were a bit worried already as you've been absent for a while :) | 16:22 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, I was just really stuggling with life issues. | 16:23 |
| * yofel tries to rebuild digikam | 16:36 | |
| Quintasan | Darkwing: \o/ | 16:37 |
| * Quintasan pats Darkwing | 16:37 | |
| Quintasan | Love burndown charts | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | I have 2 tasks in a blueprint | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | done one and burndown chart says it's 33% done | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | :D | 16:38 |
| Darkwing | I need to get on board with what happened at UDS :D | 16:38 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: You'll need the new digikam. It's in Debian experimental, but it needs to be modified not to use the embedded libs. | 16:38 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I'll need it for what? | 16:40 |
| ScottK | To get something that build. | 16:40 |
| * Quintasan doesn't follow | 16:40 | |
| Quintasan | ScottK: Could you explain it with --verbose? :P | 16:41 |
| ScottK | There are API changes in the libs that Digikam uses in 4.9.80 | 16:41 |
| ScottK | I know our current Digikam won't build with it. | 16:42 |
| yofel | meh, true | 16:42 |
| yofel | might as well package 3b3 then | 16:42 |
| ScottK | The digikam devs also do the kdegraphics libs, so they bundle a copy with Digikam. | 16:42 |
| ScottK | Since Debian doesn't have the newer graphics libs, their package uses the embedded libs. Since we have them now, we'll need to use the system libs. | 16:43 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: So you want me to do that? | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 16:43 |
| ScottK | Someone needs to. | 16:43 |
| yofel | Quintasan: feel free to take over bug 1045767 then | 16:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1045767 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Please update digikam to 3.0-beta3" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045767 | 16:44 |
| ScottK | We need digikam, calligra, kphotoalbum, and kamoso to build before the 4.9.0 stuff will migrate from proposed. | 16:44 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I deleted print-manager off the pad. I uploaded it last night. | 16:45 |
| ScottK | That and the kdepim FTBFS on armhf are the major blockers for being "done" with 4.9.80 | 16:46 |
| oy | looks like lcms2 is only available in 12.10 :-/ | 17:12 |
| oy | will there be KDE 4.10 backports for 12.04 ? | 17:16 |
| * yofel fixes some more kde-workspace overwrites | 17:19 | |
| yofel | what the hell is a kinfocenter.install.linux file o.O? | 17:22 |
| yofel | that's what's causing the file conflicts in the first place | 17:22 |
| yofel | Riddell: did those files show up in list-missing? (as you added them to the other packages for 4.9.80) | 17:27 |
| Quintasan | oy: Probably yes | 17:30 |
| * yofel out for a while | 17:31 | |
| yofel | fun, I can't log out anymore after updating to 4.9.80 | 17:36 |
| yofel | the window never shows up | 17:36 |
| yofel | gone for real now | 17:36 |
| oy | ok, will prepare for both cases (lcms1 only / + lcms2) | 17:36 |
| Riddell | yofel: mm I guess so (guessing without looking at it) | 17:49 |
| Riddell | kinfocenter.install.linux is files that only install on linux, not on kfreebsd or any other debian oddity | 17:49 |
| yofel | re | 18:26 |
| yofel | Riddell: if it did that would be a bug in list-missing though, not your fault | 18:27 |
| * yofel didn't do a test build after removing the files | 18:27 | |
| yofel | Quintasan: are you going to do digikam now or not? If not I might look at it tomorrow, not sure if I'll have enough time though | 18:29 |
| Quintasan | yofel: Not today. | 18:30 |
| yofel | Quintasan: the bug is still assigned to me, so I would like to have a yes or no answer before we both start working on it... | 18:31 |
| yofel | I won't mind if you do it ^^ | 18:31 |
| yofel | new knotify is nice :) | 18:35 |
| Quintasan | yofel: No. | 18:40 |
| yofel | ok | 18:40 |
| yofel | thanks | 18:40 |
| afiestas | ScottK: nope, can you report a bug pls? | 19:06 |
| ScottK | afiestas: Will do. Thanks. | 19:06 |
| ScottK | afiestas: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310618 | 19:11 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 310618 in general "Fails to build with libraries for KDE SC 4.10 (i.e. 4.9.80)" [Major,New] | 19:11 |
| mparillo | Are these instructions still current? http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html | 21:02 |
| mparillo | I have successfully compiled and installed reknoq 1.3 but I am getting: bzr: ERROR: unknown command "dh-make" | 21:03 |
| mparillo | In the Starting a Package section. | 21:03 |
| Riddell | you'll need to install dh-make | 21:09 |
| Riddell | oh and bzr-builddeb | 21:09 |
| Riddell | at least if you want to use bzr like that guide suggests, many people don't | 21:10 |
| mparillo | Riddell: TY. I already had dh-make installed. Installing bzr-builddeb now. Is there an easier cookbook? | 21:14 |
| Riddell | mparillo: well yeah, that I'm not too sure on | 21:19 |
| Riddell | this is the debian one http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ | 21:20 |
| Riddell | which doesn't confuse you with bzr stuff that isn't much used | 21:20 |
| Riddell | but is a bit long and convoluted | 21:20 |
| Riddell | and of course you can ask here or in #ubuntu-motu | 21:22 |
| mparillo | Thx, and I do not want to slow you down on the KDE SC 4.10 beta. But, installing builddeb helped me get to the next error message. | 21:28 |
| mparillo | bzr dh-make rekonq 1.3 rekonq-1.3.tar.bz2 | 21:28 |
| mparillo | bzr: ERROR: Either run the command from an existing branch of upstream, or move rekonq aside and a new branch will be created there. | 21:28 |
| yofel | mparillo: I don't know what that error means as I don't use bzr for that, but why aren't you basing it off the existing package? | 21:34 |
| mparillo | Because I was following the directions like a monkey? | 21:36 |
| mparillo | The existing Rekonq package is 1.1, and I have now compiled 1.3. | 21:37 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo, I wish rekonq the best , but I'm still skeptical | 21:41 |
| yofel | hm, uscan gives me 1.70 :/ | 21:41 |
| mparillo | 1.70 is the beta for Rekonq 2. I tried it, but it was way too unstable, so I dropped back to 1.3. | 21:43 |
| * yofel gives it a try | 21:47 | |
| yofel | and the new knotify can't handle more text than it's window can display. It just cuts it off | 21:48 |
| yofel | kubotu: newversion rekonq 1.70 | 21:49 |
| mparillo | To see why I think 1.70 is the beta for Rekonq 2, look at the target for taste it now from: http://rekonq.kde.org/ | 21:49 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082738 | 21:49 |
| yofel | from the verison 1.70 sounds rather like alpha | 21:49 |
| yofel | well, the site does say tech preview | 21:49 |
| mparillo | 1.70 certainly did not seem very stable enough for me. | 21:50 |
| yofel | Coming stable for xmas... | 21:51 |
| yofel | let's see what comes out of it | 21:51 |
| yofel | I'll stuff a package into the experimental ppa if someone wants to try it | 21:51 |
| yofel | raring should rather get 1.3 so we can backport it | 21:51 |
| yofel | mparillo: I can take you through the old-style package update process | 21:52 |
| yofel | no idea how that's done with UDD and bzr | 21:52 |
| mparillo | Not to sound too ungrateful, but I will be in and out. But I am ready for step 1. | 21:54 |
| yofel | rekonq shouldn't take too long | 21:55 |
| Riddell | get the tar, ensure it follows the right name pattern, apt-get source rekonq to get the current package, copy over the debian/ directory, dch for a new changelog and debuild to build it | 21:56 |
| yofel | <quote Riddell /> | 21:56 |
| mparillo | OK, now I have tars for both 1.1 and 1.3. 1.1 has the debian/directory (because it was from apt-get source?), but 1.3 does not (because it came from git clone?) | 22:06 |
| yofel | mparillo: 1.1 has the debian/ dir because it's from the archive, yes. | 22:08 |
| yofel | 1.3 shouldn't be from git, but the unpacked tarball. Which won't have the packaging as that's distribution-specific | 22:09 |
| yofel | copy the debian folder from 1.1 over to 1.3 and add a new changelog entry for 1.3 | 22:09 |
| mparillo | OK, I added a new changelog entry for 1.3 at the top of debian/changelog | 22:43 |
| mparillo | but I did it using kate. Was that a mistake. I see upwards Riddell says use dch | 22:44 |
| Riddell | doesn't matter but dch will give you the template so you don't have to do any copy and paste | 22:45 |
| mparillo | OK, I deleted the 1.3/debian directory, and recopied the 1.1/debian directory. | 22:50 |
| mparillo | It seemed to be about the same thing, this time using nano (my choice). Now I use debuild from my rekonq 1.3 directory? | 22:53 |
| Riddell | mparillo: yep that'll do the package build | 22:57 |
| mparillo | hmm I have a rekonq-1.3.tar.bz2, but debuild was hoping to find rekonq_1.3.orig.tar.bz2 | 23:02 |
| Riddell | mparillo: mv is a handy command in these situations :) | 23:05 |
| yofel | rename it | 23:05 |
| Riddell | packaging is very paticular about the name of the tar | 23:05 |
| mparillo | Not only does it need to be named correctly, it needs to be in the parent directory. I suppose my next step is to apt-get install pkg-kde-tools ? It is a build dependency? | 23:11 |
| yofel | you can run 'sudo apt-get build-dep rekonq' to get the build-deps for the archive package in one go | 23:11 |
| yofel | (i.e. that'll get the build-deps that 1.1 needed) | 23:12 |
| Riddell | mparillo: I hope you're taking notes :) | 23:15 |
| mparillo | If I succeed, I will try to edit this IRC log. Next time I ask for a cookbook, somebody might suggest I draft one. | 23:18 |
| mparillo | Alas, I have far too many fatal errors, even for a pastebin. I guess I have wasted all your time, but thank you both. | 23:22 |
| yofel | feel free to put them on paste.ubuntu.com anyway | 23:22 |
| mparillo | The errors overflowed my Konsole buffer, but here is the end: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1383957/ | 23:28 |
| yofel | mparillo: somehow your rekonq-1.3 folder doesn't match with the tarball contents and you left the build/ folder in it | 23:40 |
| yofel | unpack the tar again, copy the debian folder over and try debuild again | 23:40 |
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