[00:35] <mspencer> I'm working on creating Contributor Console based on the specifications at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributorConsole. For questions I have related to the spec, should I contact the author specifically? Also, should I email him directly or talk to him in this channel?
[02:21] <xnox> mspencer: for some design questions it helps me a lot to file a small bug with a specific question & add tag "needs-design"
[02:21] <xnox> mspencer: and then eventually ping mpt to review all of those bugs "needs-design" in bulk =)
[02:22] <mspencer> xnox: file it in contributor-console?
[02:22] <xnox> mspencer: yeap.
[02:22] <mspencer> xnox: even questions like what am I to use for icons, etc?
[02:23] <xnox> mspencer: by default mpt usually draws stuff that doesn't exist anywhere beforehand. Just write code away & use whiever icons are available (glade is very helpful browsing all available stock icons)
[02:27] <mspencer> xnox: He uses an icon that looks like the bazaar icon but I think I can't use that do to licensing. So my question would be what does he want for that?
[02:28] <xnox> mspencer: i'm sure you can use the bazaar icon.
[02:29] <xnox> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/bzr-panel.svg
[02:29] <xnox> is shipped in the bzr-gtk package.
[02:30]  * xnox thinks that icon is also available in plain bzr or maybe bzr-doc packages.
[02:30] <mspencer> xnox: I thought I could use the bazaar, but I asked on #launchpad but was told that it was "LP icons are propoetary and only used for development and test usage"
[02:31] <xnox> mspencer: bzr icon != launchpad icon
[02:31] <mspencer> xnox: Okay, I didn't think about that.
[02:31] <xnox> mspencer: see /usr/share/doc/bzr-gtk/copyright GPL-2+
[02:33] <mspencer> xnox: Do I need to use icons that look as close to what mpt put or can I use icons that represent the same purpose?
[02:34] <xnox> icons can always be improved later =)
[02:34] <xnox> good night & have fun coding =)
[02:34] <mspencer> xnox: Good night and thanks for your help!
[02:35] <Chucrute301> lets discuss about new ubuntu icons?
[02:47] <mspencer> Chucrute301: Are you directing that to me?
[02:47] <Chucrute301> no, why?
[02:48] <mspencer> Chucrute301: I was talking with xnox about icons and no one else replied to you so I wan't sure if that was meant for me.
[16:35] <desrt> jbicha: getting annoyed by gnome-disk-utility as well, hm? :P)
[16:40] <mspencer> I'm working on Contributor Console based on the specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributorConsole. Should I create a blueprint based on the wiki spec?
[16:40] <desrt> mspencer: blueprints are really only useful as a framework around which to organise UDS sessions and their results
[16:41] <desrt> and they're kinda meaningless unless they get approved
[16:41] <desrt> which usually only happens at/around UDS
[16:42] <mspencer> desrt: Thanks
[16:43] <mspencer> desrt: So in my case would I ever have a need to use blueprints?
[16:43] <desrt> mspencer: to be honest i'm not sure where you should track the kind of work that you're doing
[16:44] <desrt> maybe put a link in the wiki to your git repository or something?
[16:44] <mspencer> desrt: mpt has linked to the launchpad project from the spec.
[16:45] <desrt> ah.  great.
[16:45] <desrt> so just push stuff there :p
[16:45] <desrt> i guess the most important thing is to ensure that nobody comes along and duplicates your efforts in a different place
[16:45] <mspencer> For new features to the program do I need to talk to the author of the spec?
[16:46] <desrt> i guess you should talk to mpt?
[16:46] <mspencer> desrt: Am I free to modify the wiki page to say that the project has been started or do I need to get mpt to do that?
[16:47] <desrt> mspencer: i guess you should feel free... it's just a wiki page
[16:47] <desrt> but definitely try to talk to mpt on IRC
[16:47] <mspencer> desrt: In this channel?
[16:47] <desrt> mspencer: he'll probably be around during european working hours
[16:47] <desrt> and yes.. he's usually in this channel
[16:48] <mspencer> I don't want anyone to duplicate my work so far - should I wait to talk to mpt or should I update the wiki page now?
[16:50] <mspencer> So far it says "but … it doesn’t exist yet." and points to the launchpad project I started.
[16:58] <mspencer> How do I go about getting other people to help me with the project? Specifically, how do I find someone to create the main icon for the program?
[17:00] <jbicha> desrt: you mean the problem with trying to jhbuild gnome-disk-utility?
[17:06] <desrt> ya
[17:06] <desrt> utter utter nonsense
[17:06] <desrt> git master gnome-disk-utility depends on an unreleased(!) udisks and davidz is actively campaigning to have udisks excluded from jhbuild
[17:06] <desrt> so like uh.... how the hell is that supposed to work?
[17:07]  * desrt will have to talk to him on monday
[17:08] <jbicha> yeah it breaks jhbuild pretty bad
[17:08] <desrt> well
[17:08] <desrt> fortunately gvfs no longer depends on disk-utility
[17:08] <desrt> so the breakage is actually fairly small these days
[17:08] <desrt> just fails the metamodule
[17:08] <jbicha> I was going to try submitting a patch for g-d-u but didn't bother when I ran into that
[17:09] <jbicha> I was surprised that g-c-c still depends on systemd but I guess that's being worked on
[17:12] <desrt> jbicha: i have a patch
[17:12] <desrt> it's in bugzilla... i just apply it before i build g-c-c
[17:12] <desrt> i got stuck working on some high-priority 'internal' stuff so i haven't been able to finish that up
[17:13] <jbicha> yay skunkworks!
[17:14] <happyaron> jbicha: hi, recently Ma Xiaojun has shown his frustration about the ibus intergration of GNOME \o/
[17:15] <happyaron> he was the only input method user who supported that intergration in action
[17:15] <happyaron> I'd like to try to persuade you to use --disable-ibus as I've already suggested on Debian BTS.
[17:16] <jbicha> happyaron: already done, Raring is using gnome-control-center and gnome-settings-daemon 3.6.3 with --disable-ibus
[17:17] <happyaron> good to know that. current 3.8 has a totally broken input method experience, details are in desktop-devel-list, let's see what are the reaction of GNOME people then.
[19:14] <jbicha> ricotz: hey is there any reason I shouldn't backport gnome-control-center 3.6 to the gnome3 ppa for quantal?
[19:22] <ricotz> jbicha, hi, i don't think so, should be fine if you grab the unity-settings-panel too then
[19:22] <jbicha> ricotz: right, I'll have the quantal g-c-c recommend that
[19:23] <ricotz> good ;)
[19:49] <jbicha> ricotz: I think we should having a separate experimental GNOME3 PPA for 3.8 for raring
[19:52] <ricotz> jbicha, there is gnome3/gnome3-staging which already have some 3.7.x stuff
[19:52] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/+packages
[19:54] <jbicha> ricotz: oh, cool