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cloudrfXubuntu is best14:46
bazhangwhy so14:47
cloudrfactual desktop with icons14:47
cloudrflol14:47
bazhangubuntu has that14:47
cloudrfi guess lubuntu probably has that too14:47
bazhanglearn to use the tweak tools14:47
cloudrfi havent played with unity14:48
bazhangseems the knowledge of Unity stopped pretty much from when it came out14:48
bazhangit's changed HUGELY14:48
cloudrfi did want to fiddle with gnome 3 a bit14:48
cloudrfdoes gnome tools work for that?14:49
bazhangbut slashdot likes to slam Ubuntu with their lack of facts articles, so UNITY SUX14:49
bazhangUnity is gnome314:49
bazhangits a shell.14:49
cloudrfi know that bazhang14:49
bazhangas is gnome-shell14:49
bazhangso why say GNOME314:49
cloudrfas is cinammon-shell and so on14:49
bazhangit's not something separate14:49
bazhanggnome-shell and unity shell are both highly configurable, at least as of last weekend14:50
cloudrfi right well, i like the interface of gnome 3, but would like a desktop like gnome 214:50
cloudrflast weekend?14:50
bazhangperhaps they have reverted back to when slashdot said Unity sucked14:50
bazhangyes last weekend14:51
bazhangwhen I tweaked both14:51
cloudrfno, listen i dont bash any desktop14:51
cloudrfi just like xfce better14:51
bazhangit was there by omission14:51
bazhanggnome-panel is the "classic look"14:52
cloudrfconfigurable from the start very light weight14:52
bazhangand of gnome 3.8, there will be another "classic look"14:52
cloudrfright on14:52
bazhangs/of/as of/14:52
IdleOneDon't mind bazhang. he woke up grumpy in 1993 and hasn't been right since.14:52
IdleOne:P14:52
cloudrfive been a linux user since i was a kid14:53
cloudrfback in 9914:53
bazhangit's odd how Unity gets such bad press, but it's VERY configurable with the present tools14:53
bazhanggnome-shell is much less stable14:53
cloudrfi like light-weight desktop that doesnt skimp on the amount of configuration14:54
bazhangthe unity lenses make it truly invaluable14:54
bazhangxubuntu is hardly lightweight14:55
bazhangunless 4GB ram is lightweight14:55
cloudrfhuh?14:55
cloudrf4 gigs14:56
bazhangwhich part was unclear14:56
cloudrfi am not using 4 gigs..14:56
bazhangphoronix and others matched up Unity shell with gnome against xubuntu14:56
bazhang-no appreciable difference-14:56
cloudrfi have 8 gigs of ram, using a total of 450 megs of ram14:57
bazhanglubuntu IS lightweight14:57
bazhangkde4 xfce4 gnome, not so much14:57
cloudrfmore light than say windblows14:58
bazhangnever use it, no idea14:58
bazhangtoo complicated14:58
cloudrfwe are talking 4 gigs on boot14:58
cloudrfat least14:58
bazhangof course I try each new release from MS14:59
bazhangbut after a short time erase it and back to the sleekness that is UBUNTU14:59
bazhangVista was shorter than most15:00
cloudrfwell ive played with several distros15:02
cloudrfseveral releases15:02
bazhangI've played with the distrowatch top 10015:02
bazhangevery one, save 315:02
cloudrfwhich 3?15:03
bazhangLFS15:03
bazhangand two other no name ones15:03
cloudrfi definately want to play with that15:03
bazhangmore ordeal than play15:03
cloudrfnot for me15:04
cloudrfits fun for me15:04
bazhanggentoo was the limit15:04
bazhangand ARCH sucked15:04
cloudrffedora was broke15:04
cloudrfi do remember that15:04
bazhangwhich release15:05
cloudrftheir newest15:05
bazhang1715:05
cloudrfyup15:05
bazhangwhat was "broken"15:05
cloudrfpackagekit was broken15:05
bazhangso use something else15:05
cloudrfkept glitching out15:05
cloudrfhad to use terminal yum15:06
cloudrfshit was waay broke15:06
bazhangthats all I use with Fedora15:07
bazhangawww15:07
bazhang-ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation.15:07
cloudrfwell, was trying to find something people friendly15:08
cloudrfi have to sell computers ya know15:08
bazhangxubuntu is that15:08
bazhangI dont like rats15:08
cloudrfyes, that is why i have been selling my machines with xubuntu on them15:09
bazhangnice15:09
cloudrfgot a brand new amd a10 5800k 3.8 ghz quad core system15:09
cloudrfthat i have for sale on ebay right now15:10
bazhangyegads15:10
bazhangbet that will run VALVE great15:10
cloudrfyessir15:10
cloudrfoh it has a 2tb hard drive15:10
bazhangcoming soon TO THE UBUNTU family15:10
cloudrf8 gigs of ram15:11
bazhangand valve runs faster on Linux than on Windows15:11
bazhanghahahaha15:11
cloudrfthe processor turbos out to 4.2 ghz by itself also15:11
cloudrfforgot that little tidbit15:11
cloudrfits sickeningly fast15:12
cloudrfoh the price 650$15:13
cloudrf5 front usb ports, 6 rear, hdmi, desplayport, dvi, vga, optical sound, crossfires with any hd7000 series gfx card15:14
cloudrf8 channel audio15:14
cloudrfit is sick!15:14
cloudrfsoon as steam is ready i will sell those like hotcakes15:15
bazhangor faster15:15
cloudrffm2 socket systems are cheap, but quick15:16
bazhangthe addition of displayport is a nice touch15:16
cloudrfoh yeah15:17
cloudrfits the black edition processor too so its overclockable15:17
bazhangnice15:17
cloudrfhp, dell dont have the balls to do that15:18
cloudrffor another 26$ i will add another 8 gigs of ram too15:19
IdleOnecloudrf: Remember to keep it family friendly15:20
cloudrfsorry15:20
DJonescloudrf: I read 26$ as a 286 processor :)15:21
cloudrflol15:21
cloudrf16 gigs of ram at this point for a xfce load of linux is pointless tho15:21
DJonesAnd I hope the "lol" is at the 286 processor comment, not IdleOne's :)15:22
cloudrflol  was at 28615:22
cloudrfreminds me of that pentium 3 secc i took in for scrap the other day15:23
cloudrfi kept it for a sovennir15:24
cloudrfi was actually trying to find a venue to sell linux machines to increase output15:25
cloudrflocally i load about 15 machines a week15:25
IdleOnethat is pretty good15:26
cloudrfi make 50 on each load i do15:27
IdleOneseems a low profit margin15:28
cloudrfi customize the interface to their needs and send them out with a smile15:28
IdleOnebut at least it is profit15:28
cloudrfnot everybody needs every item on the xfce taskbars15:29
cloudrfsome people i load extra, and some of the beginners i load less15:30
cloudrfwanna get their feet wet and show them that we are not windows and we have something to offer that is better15:31
cloudrf120 people lost their jobs last week because of microsoft's windows 8 release15:32
cloudrfand i am fighting back15:32
cloudrfsystemax plant closed15:33
guntbertI am concerned about the documetation for ubuntu. I've got the impression that team is the most seriously understaffed one. Even a request "I want to help, give me a hint where to start and whom to ask" gets no reply for a long time.21:20
AlanBellthere is a lot to document21:22
AlanBellhttp://developer.ubuntu.com/ is where the effort is going21:22
guntbertAlanBell: indeed? then the issue is more serious - on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam I find no reference to that site21:28
guntbertAlanBell: I was not talking about creating apps and documenting them21:29
guntbertI was talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/ , both the official and the community part, bug reports get no response for a long time... - mind you I don't rant, but it looks like the issue is growing and the number of workers/volunteers is too small to handle it21:34
AlanBellyeah, you are not wrong21:37
guntbertAlanBell: :-)21:38
AlanBelldeveloper.ubuntu.com for the desktop and for server stuff juju.ubuntu.com21:39
AlanBellthat is where the platform documentation is really21:39
guntbertAlanBell: are you implying that help.ubuntu.com has been abandoned?21:42
AlanBellnot really, it has been updated for 12.1021:46
guntberta short look at those sites doesn't give the impression that I will find what I need - juju is all about "cloud", not every server is part of one, and developer seems to be all about developing new apps - not about using the system to do ordinary work21:46
AlanBellprobably will be updated again for 13.0421:46
AlanBellindeed, you won't find what you need on those sites, however the people that canonical is pitching the platform to probably will :)21:47
guntbertAlanBell: as for the updates: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - it ends with 11.10 with an inconsistent link to 12.04 somewhere else21:50
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