| === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang | ||
| cloudrf | Xubuntu is best | 14:46 |
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| bazhang | why so | 14:47 |
| cloudrf | actual desktop with icons | 14:47 |
| cloudrf | lol | 14:47 |
| bazhang | ubuntu has that | 14:47 |
| cloudrf | i guess lubuntu probably has that too | 14:47 |
| bazhang | learn to use the tweak tools | 14:47 |
| cloudrf | i havent played with unity | 14:48 |
| bazhang | seems the knowledge of Unity stopped pretty much from when it came out | 14:48 |
| bazhang | it's changed HUGELY | 14:48 |
| cloudrf | i did want to fiddle with gnome 3 a bit | 14:48 |
| cloudrf | does gnome tools work for that? | 14:49 |
| bazhang | but slashdot likes to slam Ubuntu with their lack of facts articles, so UNITY SUX | 14:49 |
| bazhang | Unity is gnome3 | 14:49 |
| bazhang | its a shell. | 14:49 |
| cloudrf | i know that bazhang | 14:49 |
| bazhang | as is gnome-shell | 14:49 |
| bazhang | so why say GNOME3 | 14:49 |
| cloudrf | as is cinammon-shell and so on | 14:49 |
| bazhang | it's not something separate | 14:49 |
| bazhang | gnome-shell and unity shell are both highly configurable, at least as of last weekend | 14:50 |
| cloudrf | i right well, i like the interface of gnome 3, but would like a desktop like gnome 2 | 14:50 |
| cloudrf | last weekend? | 14:50 |
| bazhang | perhaps they have reverted back to when slashdot said Unity sucked | 14:50 |
| bazhang | yes last weekend | 14:51 |
| bazhang | when I tweaked both | 14:51 |
| cloudrf | no, listen i dont bash any desktop | 14:51 |
| cloudrf | i just like xfce better | 14:51 |
| bazhang | it was there by omission | 14:51 |
| bazhang | gnome-panel is the "classic look" | 14:52 |
| cloudrf | configurable from the start very light weight | 14:52 |
| bazhang | and of gnome 3.8, there will be another "classic look" | 14:52 |
| cloudrf | right on | 14:52 |
| bazhang | s/of/as of/ | 14:52 |
| IdleOne | Don't mind bazhang. he woke up grumpy in 1993 and hasn't been right since. | 14:52 |
| IdleOne | :P | 14:52 |
| cloudrf | ive been a linux user since i was a kid | 14:53 |
| cloudrf | back in 99 | 14:53 |
| bazhang | it's odd how Unity gets such bad press, but it's VERY configurable with the present tools | 14:53 |
| bazhang | gnome-shell is much less stable | 14:53 |
| cloudrf | i like light-weight desktop that doesnt skimp on the amount of configuration | 14:54 |
| bazhang | the unity lenses make it truly invaluable | 14:54 |
| bazhang | xubuntu is hardly lightweight | 14:55 |
| bazhang | unless 4GB ram is lightweight | 14:55 |
| cloudrf | huh? | 14:55 |
| cloudrf | 4 gigs | 14:56 |
| bazhang | which part was unclear | 14:56 |
| cloudrf | i am not using 4 gigs.. | 14:56 |
| bazhang | phoronix and others matched up Unity shell with gnome against xubuntu | 14:56 |
| bazhang | -no appreciable difference- | 14:56 |
| cloudrf | i have 8 gigs of ram, using a total of 450 megs of ram | 14:57 |
| bazhang | lubuntu IS lightweight | 14:57 |
| bazhang | kde4 xfce4 gnome, not so much | 14:57 |
| cloudrf | more light than say windblows | 14:58 |
| bazhang | never use it, no idea | 14:58 |
| bazhang | too complicated | 14:58 |
| cloudrf | we are talking 4 gigs on boot | 14:58 |
| cloudrf | at least | 14:58 |
| bazhang | of course I try each new release from MS | 14:59 |
| bazhang | but after a short time erase it and back to the sleekness that is UBUNTU | 14:59 |
| bazhang | Vista was shorter than most | 15:00 |
| cloudrf | well ive played with several distros | 15:02 |
| cloudrf | several releases | 15:02 |
| bazhang | I've played with the distrowatch top 100 | 15:02 |
| bazhang | every one, save 3 | 15:02 |
| cloudrf | which 3? | 15:03 |
| bazhang | LFS | 15:03 |
| bazhang | and two other no name ones | 15:03 |
| cloudrf | i definately want to play with that | 15:03 |
| bazhang | more ordeal than play | 15:03 |
| cloudrf | not for me | 15:04 |
| cloudrf | its fun for me | 15:04 |
| bazhang | gentoo was the limit | 15:04 |
| bazhang | and ARCH sucked | 15:04 |
| cloudrf | fedora was broke | 15:04 |
| cloudrf | i do remember that | 15:04 |
| bazhang | which release | 15:05 |
| cloudrf | their newest | 15:05 |
| bazhang | 17 | 15:05 |
| cloudrf | yup | 15:05 |
| bazhang | what was "broken" | 15:05 |
| cloudrf | packagekit was broken | 15:05 |
| bazhang | so use something else | 15:05 |
| cloudrf | kept glitching out | 15:05 |
| cloudrf | had to use terminal yum | 15:06 |
| cloudrf | shit was waay broke | 15:06 |
| bazhang | thats all I use with Fedora | 15:07 |
| bazhang | awww | 15:07 |
| bazhang | -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. | 15:07 |
| cloudrf | well, was trying to find something people friendly | 15:08 |
| cloudrf | i have to sell computers ya know | 15:08 |
| bazhang | xubuntu is that | 15:08 |
| bazhang | I dont like rats | 15:08 |
| cloudrf | yes, that is why i have been selling my machines with xubuntu on them | 15:09 |
| bazhang | nice | 15:09 |
| cloudrf | got a brand new amd a10 5800k 3.8 ghz quad core system | 15:09 |
| cloudrf | that i have for sale on ebay right now | 15:10 |
| bazhang | yegads | 15:10 |
| bazhang | bet that will run VALVE great | 15:10 |
| cloudrf | yessir | 15:10 |
| cloudrf | oh it has a 2tb hard drive | 15:10 |
| bazhang | coming soon TO THE UBUNTU family | 15:10 |
| cloudrf | 8 gigs of ram | 15:11 |
| bazhang | and valve runs faster on Linux than on Windows | 15:11 |
| bazhang | hahahaha | 15:11 |
| cloudrf | the processor turbos out to 4.2 ghz by itself also | 15:11 |
| cloudrf | forgot that little tidbit | 15:11 |
| cloudrf | its sickeningly fast | 15:12 |
| cloudrf | oh the price 650$ | 15:13 |
| cloudrf | 5 front usb ports, 6 rear, hdmi, desplayport, dvi, vga, optical sound, crossfires with any hd7000 series gfx card | 15:14 |
| cloudrf | 8 channel audio | 15:14 |
| cloudrf | it is sick! | 15:14 |
| cloudrf | soon as steam is ready i will sell those like hotcakes | 15:15 |
| bazhang | or faster | 15:15 |
| cloudrf | fm2 socket systems are cheap, but quick | 15:16 |
| bazhang | the addition of displayport is a nice touch | 15:16 |
| cloudrf | oh yeah | 15:17 |
| cloudrf | its the black edition processor too so its overclockable | 15:17 |
| bazhang | nice | 15:17 |
| cloudrf | hp, dell dont have the balls to do that | 15:18 |
| cloudrf | for another 26$ i will add another 8 gigs of ram too | 15:19 |
| IdleOne | cloudrf: Remember to keep it family friendly | 15:20 |
| cloudrf | sorry | 15:20 |
| DJones | cloudrf: I read 26$ as a 286 processor :) | 15:21 |
| cloudrf | lol | 15:21 |
| cloudrf | 16 gigs of ram at this point for a xfce load of linux is pointless tho | 15:21 |
| DJones | And I hope the "lol" is at the 286 processor comment, not IdleOne's :) | 15:22 |
| cloudrf | lol was at 286 | 15:22 |
| cloudrf | reminds me of that pentium 3 secc i took in for scrap the other day | 15:23 |
| cloudrf | i kept it for a sovennir | 15:24 |
| cloudrf | i was actually trying to find a venue to sell linux machines to increase output | 15:25 |
| cloudrf | locally i load about 15 machines a week | 15:25 |
| IdleOne | that is pretty good | 15:26 |
| cloudrf | i make 50 on each load i do | 15:27 |
| IdleOne | seems a low profit margin | 15:28 |
| cloudrf | i customize the interface to their needs and send them out with a smile | 15:28 |
| IdleOne | but at least it is profit | 15:28 |
| cloudrf | not everybody needs every item on the xfce taskbars | 15:29 |
| cloudrf | some people i load extra, and some of the beginners i load less | 15:30 |
| cloudrf | wanna get their feet wet and show them that we are not windows and we have something to offer that is better | 15:31 |
| cloudrf | 120 people lost their jobs last week because of microsoft's windows 8 release | 15:32 |
| cloudrf | and i am fighting back | 15:32 |
| cloudrf | systemax plant closed | 15:33 |
| guntbert | I am concerned about the documetation for ubuntu. I've got the impression that team is the most seriously understaffed one. Even a request "I want to help, give me a hint where to start and whom to ask" gets no reply for a long time. | 21:20 |
| AlanBell | there is a lot to document | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is where the effort is going | 21:22 |
| guntbert | AlanBell: indeed? then the issue is more serious - on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam I find no reference to that site | 21:28 |
| guntbert | AlanBell: I was not talking about creating apps and documenting them | 21:29 |
| guntbert | I was talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/ , both the official and the community part, bug reports get no response for a long time... - mind you I don't rant, but it looks like the issue is growing and the number of workers/volunteers is too small to handle it | 21:34 |
| AlanBell | yeah, you are not wrong | 21:37 |
| guntbert | AlanBell: :-) | 21:38 |
| AlanBell | developer.ubuntu.com for the desktop and for server stuff juju.ubuntu.com | 21:39 |
| AlanBell | that is where the platform documentation is really | 21:39 |
| guntbert | AlanBell: are you implying that help.ubuntu.com has been abandoned? | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | not really, it has been updated for 12.10 | 21:46 |
| guntbert | a short look at those sites doesn't give the impression that I will find what I need - juju is all about "cloud", not every server is part of one, and developer seems to be all about developing new apps - not about using the system to do ordinary work | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | probably will be updated again for 13.04 | 21:46 |
| AlanBell | indeed, you won't find what you need on those sites, however the people that canonical is pitching the platform to probably will :) | 21:47 |
| guntbert | AlanBell: as for the updates: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - it ends with 11.10 with an inconsistent link to 12.04 somewhere else | 21:50 |
| === JoseAntonioR is now known as JoseeAntonioR | ||
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