=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [14:46] Xubuntu is best [14:47] why so [14:47] actual desktop with icons [14:47] lol [14:47] ubuntu has that [14:47] i guess lubuntu probably has that too [14:47] learn to use the tweak tools [14:48] i havent played with unity [14:48] seems the knowledge of Unity stopped pretty much from when it came out [14:48] it's changed HUGELY [14:48] i did want to fiddle with gnome 3 a bit [14:49] does gnome tools work for that? [14:49] but slashdot likes to slam Ubuntu with their lack of facts articles, so UNITY SUX [14:49] Unity is gnome3 [14:49] its a shell. [14:49] i know that bazhang [14:49] as is gnome-shell [14:49] so why say GNOME3 [14:49] as is cinammon-shell and so on [14:49] it's not something separate [14:50] gnome-shell and unity shell are both highly configurable, at least as of last weekend [14:50] i right well, i like the interface of gnome 3, but would like a desktop like gnome 2 [14:50] last weekend? [14:50] perhaps they have reverted back to when slashdot said Unity sucked [14:51] yes last weekend [14:51] when I tweaked both [14:51] no, listen i dont bash any desktop [14:51] i just like xfce better [14:51] it was there by omission [14:52] gnome-panel is the "classic look" [14:52] configurable from the start very light weight [14:52] and of gnome 3.8, there will be another "classic look" [14:52] right on [14:52] s/of/as of/ [14:52] Don't mind bazhang. he woke up grumpy in 1993 and hasn't been right since. [14:52] :P [14:53] ive been a linux user since i was a kid [14:53] back in 99 [14:53] it's odd how Unity gets such bad press, but it's VERY configurable with the present tools [14:53] gnome-shell is much less stable [14:54] i like light-weight desktop that doesnt skimp on the amount of configuration [14:54] the unity lenses make it truly invaluable [14:55] xubuntu is hardly lightweight [14:55] unless 4GB ram is lightweight [14:55] huh? [14:56] 4 gigs [14:56] which part was unclear [14:56] i am not using 4 gigs.. [14:56] phoronix and others matched up Unity shell with gnome against xubuntu [14:56] -no appreciable difference- [14:57] i have 8 gigs of ram, using a total of 450 megs of ram [14:57] lubuntu IS lightweight [14:57] kde4 xfce4 gnome, not so much [14:58] more light than say windblows [14:58] never use it, no idea [14:58] too complicated [14:58] we are talking 4 gigs on boot [14:58] at least [14:59] of course I try each new release from MS [14:59] but after a short time erase it and back to the sleekness that is UBUNTU [15:00] Vista was shorter than most [15:02] well ive played with several distros [15:02] several releases [15:02] I've played with the distrowatch top 100 [15:02] every one, save 3 [15:03] which 3? [15:03] LFS [15:03] and two other no name ones [15:03] i definately want to play with that [15:03] more ordeal than play [15:04] not for me [15:04] its fun for me [15:04] gentoo was the limit [15:04] and ARCH sucked [15:04] fedora was broke [15:04] i do remember that [15:05] which release [15:05] their newest [15:05] 17 [15:05] yup [15:05] what was "broken" [15:05] packagekit was broken [15:05] so use something else [15:05] kept glitching out [15:06] had to use terminal yum [15:06] shit was waay broke [15:07] thats all I use with Fedora [15:07] awww [15:07] -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. [15:08] well, was trying to find something people friendly [15:08] i have to sell computers ya know [15:08] xubuntu is that [15:08] I dont like rats [15:09] yes, that is why i have been selling my machines with xubuntu on them [15:09] nice [15:09] got a brand new amd a10 5800k 3.8 ghz quad core system [15:10] that i have for sale on ebay right now [15:10] yegads [15:10] bet that will run VALVE great [15:10] yessir [15:10] oh it has a 2tb hard drive [15:10] coming soon TO THE UBUNTU family [15:11] 8 gigs of ram [15:11] and valve runs faster on Linux than on Windows [15:11] hahahaha [15:11] the processor turbos out to 4.2 ghz by itself also [15:11] forgot that little tidbit [15:12] its sickeningly fast [15:13] oh the price 650$ [15:14] 5 front usb ports, 6 rear, hdmi, desplayport, dvi, vga, optical sound, crossfires with any hd7000 series gfx card [15:14] 8 channel audio [15:14] it is sick! [15:15] soon as steam is ready i will sell those like hotcakes [15:15] or faster [15:16] fm2 socket systems are cheap, but quick [15:16] the addition of displayport is a nice touch [15:17] oh yeah [15:17] its the black edition processor too so its overclockable [15:17] nice [15:18] hp, dell dont have the balls to do that [15:19] for another 26$ i will add another 8 gigs of ram too [15:20] cloudrf: Remember to keep it family friendly [15:20] sorry [15:21] cloudrf: I read 26$ as a 286 processor :) [15:21] lol [15:21] 16 gigs of ram at this point for a xfce load of linux is pointless tho [15:22] And I hope the "lol" is at the 286 processor comment, not IdleOne's :) [15:22] lol was at 286 [15:23] reminds me of that pentium 3 secc i took in for scrap the other day [15:24] i kept it for a sovennir [15:25] i was actually trying to find a venue to sell linux machines to increase output [15:25] locally i load about 15 machines a week [15:26] that is pretty good [15:27] i make 50 on each load i do [15:28] seems a low profit margin [15:28] i customize the interface to their needs and send them out with a smile [15:28] but at least it is profit [15:29] not everybody needs every item on the xfce taskbars [15:30] some people i load extra, and some of the beginners i load less [15:31] wanna get their feet wet and show them that we are not windows and we have something to offer that is better [15:32] 120 people lost their jobs last week because of microsoft's windows 8 release [15:32] and i am fighting back [15:33] systemax plant closed [21:20] I am concerned about the documetation for ubuntu. I've got the impression that team is the most seriously understaffed one. Even a request "I want to help, give me a hint where to start and whom to ask" gets no reply for a long time. [21:22] there is a lot to document [21:22] http://developer.ubuntu.com/ is where the effort is going [21:28] AlanBell: indeed? then the issue is more serious - on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam I find no reference to that site [21:29] AlanBell: I was not talking about creating apps and documenting them [21:34] I was talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/ , both the official and the community part, bug reports get no response for a long time... - mind you I don't rant, but it looks like the issue is growing and the number of workers/volunteers is too small to handle it [21:37] yeah, you are not wrong [21:38] AlanBell: :-) [21:39] developer.ubuntu.com for the desktop and for server stuff juju.ubuntu.com [21:39] that is where the platform documentation is really [21:42] AlanBell: are you implying that help.ubuntu.com has been abandoned? [21:46] not really, it has been updated for 12.10 [21:46] a short look at those sites doesn't give the impression that I will find what I need - juju is all about "cloud", not every server is part of one, and developer seems to be all about developing new apps - not about using the system to do ordinary work [21:46] probably will be updated again for 13.04 [21:47] indeed, you won't find what you need on those sites, however the people that canonical is pitching the platform to probably will :) [21:50] AlanBell: as for the updates: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - it ends with 11.10 with an inconsistent link to 12.04 somewhere else === JoseAntonioR is now known as JoseeAntonioR