/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/11/24/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosmorning all of ya04:52
Squirmhi05:12
magespawnmorning y'all06:27
TaraLSmagespawn,  Hiya06:30
magespawnTaraLS: how is the pc?06:31
TaraLSmagespawn, The same. It hasn't frozen yet in the last six hours, though I haven't been doing anything but text-based browsing, essentially.06:38
magespawnmmm so not actually any closre to finding out what it was then06:39
TaraLSNope06:40
TaraLSI'm sure it's the CPU. I'll get it sorted eventually06:40
Squirmmorning06:41
TaraLSSquirm,  Hiya.06:45
magespawnhey Squirm06:45
magespawnjust sorted one here in the shop that was a faulty power supply06:45
SquirmPower Supply tester ftw06:46
TaraLSWhat were the symptoms?06:46
magespawnbut when i tested the power supply directly it was fine06:46
TaraLSWhat's a power supply teter?06:46
TaraLStester*06:46
magespawnpower on the board fan startting up and hard drive spinning up but no post or anything on the screen06:46
* Squirm goes back to watching Futurama06:47
magespawna little black box that allows you test the power from the supply without plugging into a motherboard06:47
TaraLSI have a question, actually06:55
TaraLSMy motherboard temp, on Hardware Sensors Detector, shows in the red for any degree above 28c. How do I change that?06:55
Kilosyo mazal 06:57
Kiloshi TaraLS 06:57
mazalMôre oom Kilos 06:57
magespawnthere should be somewhere in the bios where you set the temp for the mb06:57
mazalMorning magespawn 06:57
magespawnhey Kilos06:57
Kiloshi magespawn 06:57
magespawnGood day mazal06:57
Kiloshave you still got that link to that other drive tool?i forget what it was called06:58
TaraLSHiyo Kilos06:58
TaraLSmagespawn,  Okeydokey. I will fiddle around later. What's a good temp for it?06:58
mazalMorning TaraLS 06:58
magespawni generally set the cut of temp at 75 celsius06:59
magespawnis the cpu reaches that the pc will automatocally switch off06:59
magespawnKilos you talking to me?07:02
Kiloslol yeah07:02
Kiloshows things?07:03
magespawngood and you?07:03
Kilosremember it was something also about data recovery in place without saving to somewhere else07:03
Kilosi think07:03
Kilosim ok ty07:03
Kilosmaybe you were on the fone at the time i forget07:04
Kilosah magespawn i think it was this one07:06
Kiloshttp://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm07:06
Kilosscrolled back in maaz07:06
Kilosand this http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/DiskPatch.htm07:07
Kiloswhew07:07
Kilosill try get them after 11pm on night surfer data if i can stay awake07:10
magespawnMaaz is good for that07:10
Kilosyeah i forget to scroll back where i am pm ing him07:10
Kilosgot 1400 lines saved there07:11
Kilosamazing the stuff i ask the bot07:11
Kilosor get him to search google for me07:12
TaraLSmazal,  Hiya07:12
TaraLSWhew it's hot. Disgusting.07:12
Kilosmagespawn, you gonna write a testimnial for the re approval thing07:14
Kilostestimonial07:14
magespawnwas thinking about it07:15
Kilosgood07:15
Kilosim too doff07:15
magespawnhah07:17
magespawnbut you spend the most time and for most newcomers are the first contact07:18
Kilosya but havent even got an idea on writing a testimonial07:19
Kiloshey bmg505 all good with ZS6LMG07:19
Kiloshas drubin replied yet on where he got all those stats from 2 years ago?07:26
Kiloshi Squirm yawner07:26
mazalKilos just write what Ubuntu-za means for you and have done for you07:27
Kilosthats like 100 pages mazal 07:27
mazalZip it lol07:27
Kiloslol07:27
Kiloshehe07:27
mazalThat's fine , maybe the guys can just put link there to the document07:28
Squirmhi07:28
mazalHi Squirm 07:28
mazalEven someone like Tara can give a good testimonial07:29
mazalTara me lady , where are you ?07:30
Squirmwow I'm bored07:32
magespawnlol @ Squirm07:33
Kilosaw nothing interesting to do Squirm 07:33
Squirmnone whatsoever07:34
Kilosoi07:34
Squirmanyone suggest a good Netbook distro? I'm tempted to put mint onto it. but may be a little heavy07:38
mazalXubuntu ?07:38
mazalHow many ram Squirm ?07:39
Kilosor lubuntu07:39
SquirmI guess I could live with xfce07:39
Squirmdon't like lxde, little too light :P07:40
magespawni love xfce07:40
SquirmI'll give xubuntu a shot07:40
Squirmdon't like Vector Linux which is currently installed07:40
magespawnPuppy Squirm?07:56
TaraLSmazal, Testimonial?07:57
Squirmmagespawn: still want something nice and usable :P07:58
TaraLS*puts on American infomercial accent* "I had problems with a certain OTHER Operation System, but once I tried Linux's Distro Ubuntu, I found that it wasn't the end of the world for me! :D I was back, up and running, and ready to rolll! THANKS, Ubuntu."07:58
SquirmI guess I can't have everything07:58
magespawnlol07:58
SquirmTaraLS: Ubuntu isn't half of it07:58
* Squirm runs07:58
TaraLSPfft, don't spoil the fun, Squirm.07:59
TaraLSOr I really WILL make you squirm. 07:59
* TaraLS brandishes a hot poker.07:59
SquirmI'm having fun07:59
* Squirm brandishes his bottom07:59
magespawnokay then none of that 50 Shades of Grey stuff08:01
Squirmsorry magespawn, unlike you I haven't read it so I don't know what you mean by that08:06
Squirm:P08:06
SquirmI apologise. I'm bored and in a weird mood :/08:06
Kiloshehe08:06
magespawnno worries all in good fun, and i have not read it either08:07
Squirmcan't wait till January08:07
Squirmschool is upgrading to 4*4Mbit bonded lines08:08
magespawnso 16 Mbit altogether08:08
Squirmoh yes :)08:09
magespawni will be interested in how that changes your browsing08:09
Squirmleast theoretically, will be interesting to see if I get that speed08:09
Squirmand our ISP is linked to the TENET backbone08:09
Squirm^^08:09
* magespawn is watching HakTip on Linux Terminal 10108:11
Kiloshi psydroid 08:15
TaraLSmagespawn,  Fifty Shades. I have read it.08:26
TaraLSIt is written horrendously badly.08:26
TaraLSLike it's written by some horny thirteen year old.08:26
TaraLSJust... ugh.08:26
magespawnright08:26
mazalSorry TaraLS , wasn't paying attention :P08:27
mazalWhat I meant by testimonial is that type of thing you wrote yes08:27
magespawnthanks for the warning08:27
mazalAnd maybe saying that the ZA community helps people as far as possible with Ubuntu problems etc.08:28
TaraLSOh08:28
mazalHow's that pc btw ?08:29
mazalI saw you guys were busy with heating again this morning ?08:29
TaraLSEh.08:32
mazalSee a bit later guys08:33
mazalNeed to go get some things08:33
TaraLSMy PC is LAME. That is all.08:33
TaraLSTake care, mazal.08:33
charl_good morning09:52
charl_Maaz: coffee on09:53
* Maaz washes some mugs09:53
Kiloshi charl_ 09:56
charl_hi Kilos 09:56
Kilosmacoffee please09:56
Kiloseish09:56
KilosMaaz, coffee please09:56
MaazKilos: Okay09:56
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!09:57
KilosMaaz, ty09:57
MaazYou are welcome Kilos09:57
Kilosfriendly warning, dont use boot-repair on kde09:59
charl_ah, it's a mess10:00
charl_Maaz: thanks10:00
Maazcharl_: Sure10:00
Kilosdid it from unity to kde and now kde drive is lost10:00
charl_ok10:01
Kilosfrom gnome to gnome you gotta actually boot into second drive start repair then uplug power to first drive to get it to only use the second drive10:02
charl_i have tried to manually fix my boot sector a few times using various grub command line tools10:02
charl_but i have almost always failed10:02
Kilosand it cant go into kde so you cant boot from there10:02
charl_ended up reinstalling is the easiest10:02
Kiloscant10:02
Kilosdrive shows as unallocated in gparted but can allocate anything to it10:03
Kilosor partition10:03
Kilosor activate or enable10:03
Kilossjoe10:03
charl_sounds irritating10:03
Kilosvery10:03
Kilosi often use xp to fixboot and fixmbr but stupid xp cant see sata drives without getting some driver or something10:07
Kilosgrrr10:07
charl_bah10:07
Kiloslol10:08
Kilosso tinight will get some new mbr boot + partition tools10:08
Kilostonight10:09
Kilosrofl10:29
KilosIf a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong ?10:30
Kilosha ha ha10:30
mazalib10:38
Kiloswbb11:02
Vince-0haai11:04
charl_hi Vince-0 11:17
Vince-0hi charl11:17
TaraLSmazal, inetpro confluency superfly  Have a lookie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn11:38
magespawnlater all11:39
TaraLSmagespawn,  Nuuu.11:39
TaraLSmagespawn,  Well okay. Toodles. :)11:39
magespawnwhy?11:39
TaraLSJust to get a bit of feedback. But it's not necessary.11:39
magespawncan spare a few11:39
magespawnwill check it11:40
TaraLS:D11:40
TaraLShttp://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn <--11:40
TaraLSAt the bottom is the result of all that nonsense. I just wanted to share the temperatures etc11:40
TaraLSMy MB has been up past 51c before (and it says that 'high' for it is 45c)11:40
mazalCPU is running very cool11:41
mazal37 degrees is not very hot11:41
TaraLSYa. :)11:43
TaraLSIt goes up to 53c when I stream/convert streaming bideo though11:43
TaraLSvideo that is11:43
mazalNot high enough to make it freeze11:43
TaraLSHm.11:43
mazalMy dual core always ran at 55 to 58 under load11:43
TaraLSIt shows in the red on the temps.11:43
TaraLSMy MB is at 35 now and showing red11:43
TaraLSIt shows red on anything above 28c11:44
TaraLSBut I think you said that's something changeable in the bios11:44
TaraLSSOmewhere.11:44
magespawnseems all fine to me too11:44
mazalNo I didn't comment on the bios11:44
TaraLSDoes that mean that my hardware is fine then, or?11:44
TaraLSLike... I don't get it.11:44
mazalYour cpu is def fine11:44
TaraLS:| darn it11:44
mazalThose temps are normal11:44
TaraLSLike, on Hardware Sensor Detect, the CPU and 'cores' are different things11:45
TaraLSThe cores are almost always at 37c11:45
TaraLSAnd CPU fluctuates11:45
TaraLSIt's at 33c currently11:45
magespawnit "looks" fine, but you never know11:45
magespawncpu haas two cores inside it11:45
mazalDoes the temps in bios say about the same TaraLS ?11:46
TaraLSIf I recall correctly, I thiiiink they did. I will restart in a moment and check.11:46
magespawnTaraLS:  you can set the emergency cut off due to high heat in some bios11:47
TaraLSmagespawn,  But isn't it there for a reason?11:47
magespawnso that if a fan fails then the pc will switch itself off before the critical tempreature is reached11:47
TaraLSEmergency cut off prevents damage. I don't want to cause damage.11:47
TaraLSYeah11:47
mazalIt basically shuts your pc down before the cpu blows11:48
magespawnwhat i was saying though if the sensor is sensing high heat when it actually is not then it may be turning the machine off anyway11:48
magespawnin other words the sensor is damaged in some way11:49
TaraLSHm.11:49
TaraLSIs it possible for only the sensor to be damaged?11:50
mazalDid the pc start shutting down also ?11:50
magespawnthat was my theory11:51
TaraLSNo.11:52
TaraLSIt shut down once.11:52
TaraLSWell11:52
TaraLSIt rebooted11:52
TaraLSWithout warning11:52
TaraLSEvery other time, it just freezes.11:52
TaraLSCant even do the reisusb thingy to restart11:52
magespawn i am off home see you all later11:53
mazalBye magespawn 11:53
magespawnneed lunch and need to do some manual labour11:53
TaraLSmagespawn,  *wave*11:53
mazalI wonder if that PSU is ok11:53
TaraLSoi11:54
TaraLSHow do I check the PSU without actually swapping it out and using another?11:54
TaraLSMom's is 250Watts. Mine's 400w11:54
mazalBut then the live should have caused issues too11:55
mazalThat's the thing that keeps puzzling11:55
TaraLSmazal,  Well...11:56
TaraLSThe live did cause issues eventually11:56
mazalYou can use this : http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to calculate if you have enough power11:56
TaraLSI had the computer on for about two days, and then I got hardware sensors detect on live, to see what the temps were doing when I used live, and then live froze11:57
mazalAnd that is IF the PSU is working fine11:57
TaraLSI had to do sudo apt-get-update to fully install sensors11:57
TaraLSAnd then I restarted, restarted live, didn't get the sensors or do any updates, and it still froze11:57
TaraLSMy comp had been on for about two and a half days without a break at that point11:57
mazalhmm11:57
mazalForget that calculator btw , I see it is way outdated11:59
TaraLSI was gonna say... I have to input a lot of stuff. And why does it matter if it is outdated?12:00
mazalThis one seems better http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/12:01
mazalThe other one didn't even have core2duo12:01
TaraLSWhew... okay. Here I go.12:01
mazalDo you know what cpu you have ?12:01
TaraLSIt's an intel dual-core E5300 somethingorother12:02
TaraLSThat means I have 2 physical CPUs, right?12:02
Kilosone physical cpu with two cores in it12:03
mazalNope12:03
mazalOk I'll try do it for you Tara12:03
mazalJust tell me what you have12:03
TaraLSomg12:04
mazalHow many ram ?12:04
TaraLS4gig12:04
TaraLSI did the CPU part12:04
mazal2 sticks ? or 1 stick ?12:04
TaraLS2 DDR212:04
TaraLS2 2gig12:04
mazalk12:05
mazal3d card ?12:05
mazalNvidia , what model ?12:05
TaraLSI did that already12:05
TaraLSI have no idea what to do for HDD12:05
TaraLSnVidia GeForce 950012:05
TaraLSDef 3D or Unity wouldn't run12:05
mazalHDD would probably be IDE 720012:06
Kilos1 TB sata12:06
TaraLSEch well12:07
TaraLSWithout the HDD stuff, and with a CD-ROM drive added12:07
TaraLSI need 266W12:07
TaraLSAnd I've obviously got more than what I've only put in thus far.12:07
mazalMine gives 302W12:08
mazalSo you well within limits12:08
mazalIF it is fine12:08
TaraLSI dunno what PCI card to select, or anything else12:08
TaraLSYeah.12:08
mazalRemember over time a PSU can start to give less power12:08
TaraLSBut not within the limits of mom's, so I can't use IT to test.12:08
TaraLS"remember". I didn't even know that :P12:08
TaraLSBut my other computer lasted four years.12:08
mazalhehehe12:08
TaraLSThen I sploded it.12:09
TaraLSGranted...12:09
TaraLSThe house I was in then was much better electrically than this piece of eck house12:09
mazalThen there is things like unstable power , dust etc12:09
TaraLS(I haven't had a surge protector the entire time)12:09
mazalThat can effect and damage it as well12:09
mazalI have seen before that a PSU get's damaged and gives only have the wattage it should12:10
TaraLSWow12:10
TaraLSIs there a way to check it without having to swap it out with another?12:10
mazalBut only way to test is to unplug it and plug in a different one12:10
TaraLSAnd are you SURE the CPU is fine?12:10
TaraLSDarn.12:10
mazalWell according to your heat read-outs it is defnitely not overheating12:11
TaraLS:(12:11
mazalBut that is IF the sensor is fine and actually giving the correct reading12:11
TaraLSAnd you can tell by me looking in the bios?12:11
TaraLSOoh. 680w power supply only $40 AUssie dollarz12:12
mazalNo if the sensor is faulty the bios reading will be faulty as well12:12
TaraLSCan too much power be a super bad thing?12:12
TaraLSWell bugger.12:12
mazalYou shouldn't spend money on a psu12:12
mazalMaybe it is ok12:12
mazalYou should test it first12:12
TaraLSI won't spend money on anything until I know for sure what it is.12:12
mazalYa that is best policy12:13
TaraLSBut, I can't test it on mom's PSU. So where do I get a spare one that has enough power?12:13
mazalTHAT be the big problem12:13
TaraLSYeah12:13
TaraLSI tell you what though12:16
TaraLSAll this PC nonsense12:16
TaraLSI'm a lot less intimidated looking at individual parts now than I was before.12:16
TaraLSCould the CPU still be an issue, even if its not overheating?12:17
TaraLSWhat about the mb?12:17
mazalThe mb can be yes12:17
mazalIt can be any of your hardware12:17
TaraLSOkay. I'ma see if I can find mb temperatures in the bios somewhere (though I don't remember seeing it; unless it's like northbridge/southbridge?). Then I'm going to sleep.12:18
TaraLSCuz I'm super tired.12:18
TaraLSAnd I need to be lucid in an hour and a half for rugby12:18
mazalK , sleep well12:18
* TaraLS waves.12:18
TaraLSthanks for your help, mazal.12:18
TaraLSToodles Kilos.12:18
mazalYour welcome12:18
Kilostoods kiddo12:18
Kilosyo not_found-droid 13:41
Kilosi found you so nick change wont metter13:42
Kilosmatter either13:42
not_found-droidDriving 13:50
mazalSjoe , have forgotten how slow cd-rw burns14:48
mazalAnd now ubuntu doesn't recognize the disc. hmm ???14:59
Kilosai15:00
Kiloswhat did you burn with15:00
mazalBrasero15:00
mazalRedoing on k3b now15:01
Kilosya i find k3b a bit better at times15:01
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Kilosevening superfly and others16:54
Kilosi wont be on late head thumping16:54
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Kiloshi magtie Trix[a]r_za 17:31
magtieHi Kilos & Everyone17:32
* mazal is bored17:40
Kilosi go sleep now. night mazal 17:43
Kilossee you all morrow17:43
mazalNag oom , lekker slaap17:43
Kilosdankie jy ook17:43
magespawnwooo hooo finally got the quassel to work again20:54
magespawnnow off to bed sell you all tomorrow21:03
superflysell? you're going to sell me? *boohoohoohoo*21:04
inetprolol21:32
Kiloswhy arent you all asleep22:06
inetproKilos: gaan slaap22:11
Kilosdie donnerweer my no wakker gemaak22:12
inetprohaha22:12
Kilosnaand inetpro hoekom slaap jy nie22:12
* inetpro slaap lankal22:12
Kilosai skuus het ek jou gewakker22:12
psydroidhoi Kilos en inetpro22:12
Kiloshi psydroid 22:12
Kiloswe running ten past midnight here22:13
* inetpro goes back to snooze mode and ignores further conversation22:13
Kiloshehe22:13
Kilosand i forgot to fp22:14
* inetpro dreaming that Kilos is awake and chatting on #ubuntu-za22:14
Kiloshaha22:14
Kilosnightmare22:15
inetprolol22:15
inetprogood night everyone22:15
psydroidgood night inetpro22:15
Kilosnight inetpro sleep tight22:15
psydroidit's an hour earlier here22:16
Kiloshe was afk22:16
Kilosand not away but asleep at keyboard22:16
Kiloshehe22:17
superflyKilos: GO TO BED!22:31
Kilosoh my22:31
Kilosand you superfly 22:31
superflyI'm not here...22:31
Kilosim looking for mbr + boot tools22:31
Kilosmy kde is gone22:31
superflyLive CD + reinstall grub22:32
KilosYOU go to bed, just now you are also an old man22:32
Kiloscant see the drive at all22:32
Kilosboot-repair killed it22:33
* superfly disappears for real22:33
Kilosor can see it but shows it as unallocated space and cant allocate or make new partitions22:33
Kilosnight superfly 22:34
Kilossleep tight22:34
Kilosnight all not asleep yet22:34
psydroidnight Kilos22:35
superflyKilos: nag oom, I hope you get some more sleep22:36
Kilosty sir you too. 22:37

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