[04:52] <Kilos> morning all of ya
[05:12] <Squirm> hi
[06:27] <magespawn> morning y'all
[06:30] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Hiya
[06:31] <magespawn> TaraLS: how is the pc?
[06:38] <TaraLS> magespawn, The same. It hasn't frozen yet in the last six hours, though I haven't been doing anything but text-based browsing, essentially.
[06:39] <magespawn> mmm so not actually any closre to finding out what it was then
[06:40] <TaraLS> Nope
[06:40] <TaraLS> I'm sure it's the CPU. I'll get it sorted eventually
[06:41] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <TaraLS> Squirm,  Hiya.
[06:45] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[06:45] <magespawn> just sorted one here in the shop that was a faulty power supply
[06:46] <Squirm> Power Supply tester ftw
[06:46] <TaraLS> What were the symptoms?
[06:46] <magespawn> but when i tested the power supply directly it was fine
[06:46] <TaraLS> What's a power supply teter?
[06:46] <TaraLS> tester*
[06:46] <magespawn> power on the board fan startting up and hard drive spinning up but no post or anything on the screen
[06:47]  * Squirm goes back to watching Futurama
[06:47] <magespawn> a little black box that allows you test the power from the supply without plugging into a motherboard
[06:55] <TaraLS> I have a question, actually
[06:55] <TaraLS> My motherboard temp, on Hardware Sensors Detector, shows in the red for any degree above 28c. How do I change that?
[06:57] <Kilos> yo mazal 
[06:57] <Kilos> hi TaraLS 
[06:57] <mazal> Môre oom Kilos 
[06:57] <magespawn> there should be somewhere in the bios where you set the temp for the mb
[06:57] <mazal> Morning magespawn 
[06:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:57] <magespawn> Good day mazal
[06:58] <Kilos> have you still got that link to that other drive tool?i forget what it was called
[06:58] <TaraLS> Hiyo Kilos
[06:58] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Okeydokey. I will fiddle around later. What's a good temp for it?
[06:58] <mazal> Morning TaraLS 
[06:59] <magespawn> i generally set the cut of temp at 75 celsius
[06:59] <magespawn> is the cpu reaches that the pc will automatocally switch off
[07:02] <magespawn> Kilos you talking to me?
[07:02] <Kilos> lol yeah
[07:03] <Kilos> hows things?
[07:03] <magespawn> good and you?
[07:03] <Kilos> remember it was something also about data recovery in place without saving to somewhere else
[07:03] <Kilos> i think
[07:03] <Kilos> im ok ty
[07:04] <Kilos> maybe you were on the fone at the time i forget
[07:06] <Kilos> ah magespawn i think it was this one
[07:06] <Kilos> http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/mbrtool.htm
[07:06] <Kilos> scrolled back in maaz
[07:07] <Kilos> and this http://www.diydatarecovery.nl/DiskPatch.htm
[07:07] <Kilos> whew
[07:10] <Kilos> ill try get them after 11pm on night surfer data if i can stay awake
[07:10] <magespawn> Maaz is good for that
[07:10] <Kilos> yeah i forget to scroll back where i am pm ing him
[07:11] <Kilos> got 1400 lines saved there
[07:11] <Kilos> amazing the stuff i ask the bot
[07:12] <Kilos> or get him to search google for me
[07:12] <TaraLS> mazal,  Hiya
[07:12] <TaraLS> Whew it's hot. Disgusting.
[07:14] <Kilos> magespawn, you gonna write a testimnial for the re approval thing
[07:14] <Kilos> testimonial
[07:15] <magespawn> was thinking about it
[07:15] <Kilos> good
[07:15] <Kilos> im too doff
[07:17] <magespawn> hah
[07:18] <magespawn> but you spend the most time and for most newcomers are the first contact
[07:19] <Kilos> ya but havent even got an idea on writing a testimonial
[07:19] <Kilos> hey bmg505 all good with ZS6LMG
[07:26] <Kilos> has drubin replied yet on where he got all those stats from 2 years ago?
[07:26] <Kilos> hi Squirm yawner
[07:27] <mazal> Kilos just write what Ubuntu-za means for you and have done for you
[07:27] <Kilos> thats like 100 pages mazal 
[07:27] <mazal> Zip it lol
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Kilos> hehe
[07:28] <mazal> That's fine , maybe the guys can just put link there to the document
[07:28] <Squirm> hi
[07:28] <mazal> Hi Squirm 
[07:29] <mazal> Even someone like Tara can give a good testimonial
[07:30] <mazal> Tara me lady , where are you ?
[07:32] <Squirm> wow I'm bored
[07:33] <magespawn> lol @ Squirm
[07:33] <Kilos> aw nothing interesting to do Squirm 
[07:34] <Squirm> none whatsoever
[07:34] <Kilos> oi
[07:38] <Squirm> anyone suggest a good Netbook distro? I'm tempted to put mint onto it. but may be a little heavy
[07:38] <mazal> Xubuntu ?
[07:39] <mazal> How many ram Squirm ?
[07:39] <Kilos> or lubuntu
[07:39] <Squirm> I guess I could live with xfce
[07:40] <Squirm> don't like lxde, little too light :P
[07:40] <magespawn> i love xfce
[07:40] <Squirm> I'll give xubuntu a shot
[07:40] <Squirm> don't like Vector Linux which is currently installed
[07:56] <magespawn> Puppy Squirm?
[07:57] <TaraLS> mazal, Testimonial?
[07:58] <Squirm> magespawn: still want something nice and usable :P
[07:58] <TaraLS> *puts on American infomercial accent* "I had problems with a certain OTHER Operation System, but once I tried Linux's Distro Ubuntu, I found that it wasn't the end of the world for me! :D I was back, up and running, and ready to rolll! THANKS, Ubuntu."
[07:58] <Squirm> I guess I can't have everything
[07:58] <magespawn> lol
[07:58] <Squirm> TaraLS: Ubuntu isn't half of it
[07:58]  * Squirm runs
[07:59] <TaraLS> Pfft, don't spoil the fun, Squirm.
[07:59] <TaraLS> Or I really WILL make you squirm. 
[07:59]  * TaraLS brandishes a hot poker.
[07:59] <Squirm> I'm having fun
[07:59]  * Squirm brandishes his bottom
[08:01] <magespawn> okay then none of that 50 Shades of Grey stuff
[08:06] <Squirm> sorry magespawn, unlike you I haven't read it so I don't know what you mean by that
[08:06] <Squirm> :P
[08:06] <Squirm> I apologise. I'm bored and in a weird mood :/
[08:06] <Kilos> hehe
[08:07] <magespawn> no worries all in good fun, and i have not read it either
[08:07] <Squirm> can't wait till January
[08:08] <Squirm> school is upgrading to 4*4Mbit bonded lines
[08:08] <magespawn> so 16 Mbit altogether
[08:09] <Squirm> oh yes :)
[08:09] <magespawn> i will be interested in how that changes your browsing
[08:09] <Squirm> least theoretically, will be interesting to see if I get that speed
[08:09] <Squirm> and our ISP is linked to the TENET backbone
[08:09] <Squirm> ^^
[08:11]  * magespawn is watching HakTip on Linux Terminal 101
[08:15] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[08:26] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Fifty Shades. I have read it.
[08:26] <TaraLS> It is written horrendously badly.
[08:26] <TaraLS> Like it's written by some horny thirteen year old.
[08:26] <TaraLS> Just... ugh.
[08:26] <magespawn> right
[08:27] <mazal> Sorry TaraLS , wasn't paying attention :P
[08:27] <mazal> What I meant by testimonial is that type of thing you wrote yes
[08:27] <magespawn> thanks for the warning
[08:28] <mazal> And maybe saying that the ZA community helps people as far as possible with Ubuntu problems etc.
[08:28] <TaraLS> Oh
[08:29] <mazal> How's that pc btw ?
[08:29] <mazal> I saw you guys were busy with heating again this morning ?
[08:32] <TaraLS> Eh.
[08:33] <mazal> See a bit later guys
[08:33] <mazal> Need to go get some things
[08:33] <TaraLS> My PC is LAME. That is all.
[08:33] <TaraLS> Take care, mazal.
[09:52] <charl_> good morning
[09:53] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:53]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:56] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[09:56] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[09:56] <Kilos> macoffee please
[09:56] <Kilos> eish
[09:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[09:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[09:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[09:57] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:57] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[09:59] <Kilos> friendly warning, dont use boot-repair on kde
[10:00] <charl_> ah, it's a mess
[10:00] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:00] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:00] <Kilos> did it from unity to kde and now kde drive is lost
[10:01] <charl_> ok
[10:02] <Kilos> from gnome to gnome you gotta actually boot into second drive start repair then uplug power to first drive to get it to only use the second drive
[10:02] <charl_> i have tried to manually fix my boot sector a few times using various grub command line tools
[10:02] <charl_> but i have almost always failed
[10:02] <Kilos> and it cant go into kde so you cant boot from there
[10:02] <charl_> ended up reinstalling is the easiest
[10:02] <Kilos> cant
[10:03] <Kilos> drive shows as unallocated in gparted but can allocate anything to it
[10:03] <Kilos> or partition
[10:03] <Kilos> or activate or enable
[10:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:03] <charl_> sounds irritating
[10:03] <Kilos> very
[10:07] <Kilos> i often use xp to fixboot and fixmbr but stupid xp cant see sata drives without getting some driver or something
[10:07] <Kilos> grrr
[10:07] <charl_> bah
[10:08] <Kilos> lol
[10:08] <Kilos> so tinight will get some new mbr boot + partition tools
[10:09] <Kilos> tonight
[10:29] <Kilos> rofl
[10:30] <Kilos> If a man speaks in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong ?
[10:30] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:38] <mazal> ib
[11:02] <Kilos> wbb
[11:04] <Vince-0> haai
[11:17] <charl_> hi Vince-0 
[11:17] <Vince-0> hi charl
[11:38] <TaraLS> mazal, inetpro confluency superfly  Have a lookie: http://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn
[11:39] <magespawn> later all
[11:39] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Nuuu.
[11:39] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Well okay. Toodles. :)
[11:39] <magespawn> why?
[11:39] <TaraLS> Just to get a bit of feedback. But it's not necessary.
[11:39] <magespawn> can spare a few
[11:40] <magespawn> will check it
[11:40] <TaraLS> :D
[11:40] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s21OHhcisn <--
[11:40] <TaraLS> At the bottom is the result of all that nonsense. I just wanted to share the temperatures etc
[11:40] <TaraLS> My MB has been up past 51c before (and it says that 'high' for it is 45c)
[11:41] <mazal> CPU is running very cool
[11:41] <mazal> 37 degrees is not very hot
[11:43] <TaraLS> Ya. :)
[11:43] <TaraLS> It goes up to 53c when I stream/convert streaming bideo though
[11:43] <TaraLS> video that is
[11:43] <mazal> Not high enough to make it freeze
[11:43] <TaraLS> Hm.
[11:43] <mazal> My dual core always ran at 55 to 58 under load
[11:43] <TaraLS> It shows in the red on the temps.
[11:43] <TaraLS> My MB is at 35 now and showing red
[11:44] <TaraLS> It shows red on anything above 28c
[11:44] <TaraLS> But I think you said that's something changeable in the bios
[11:44] <TaraLS> SOmewhere.
[11:44] <magespawn> seems all fine to me too
[11:44] <mazal> No I didn't comment on the bios
[11:44] <TaraLS> Does that mean that my hardware is fine then, or?
[11:44] <TaraLS> Like... I don't get it.
[11:44] <mazal> Your cpu is def fine
[11:44] <TaraLS> :| darn it
[11:44] <mazal> Those temps are normal
[11:45] <TaraLS> Like, on Hardware Sensor Detect, the CPU and 'cores' are different things
[11:45] <TaraLS> The cores are almost always at 37c
[11:45] <TaraLS> And CPU fluctuates
[11:45] <TaraLS> It's at 33c currently
[11:45] <magespawn> it "looks" fine, but you never know
[11:45] <magespawn> cpu haas two cores inside it
[11:46] <mazal> Does the temps in bios say about the same TaraLS ?
[11:46] <TaraLS> If I recall correctly, I thiiiink they did. I will restart in a moment and check.
[11:47] <magespawn> TaraLS:  you can set the emergency cut off due to high heat in some bios
[11:47] <TaraLS> magespawn,  But isn't it there for a reason?
[11:47] <magespawn> so that if a fan fails then the pc will switch itself off before the critical tempreature is reached
[11:47] <TaraLS> Emergency cut off prevents damage. I don't want to cause damage.
[11:47] <TaraLS> Yeah
[11:48] <mazal> It basically shuts your pc down before the cpu blows
[11:48] <magespawn> what i was saying though if the sensor is sensing high heat when it actually is not then it may be turning the machine off anyway
[11:49] <magespawn> in other words the sensor is damaged in some way
[11:49] <TaraLS> Hm.
[11:50] <TaraLS> Is it possible for only the sensor to be damaged?
[11:50] <mazal> Did the pc start shutting down also ?
[11:51] <magespawn> that was my theory
[11:52] <TaraLS> No.
[11:52] <TaraLS> It shut down once.
[11:52] <TaraLS> Well
[11:52] <TaraLS> It rebooted
[11:52] <TaraLS> Without warning
[11:52] <TaraLS> Every other time, it just freezes.
[11:52] <TaraLS> Cant even do the reisusb thingy to restart
[11:53] <magespawn>  i am off home see you all later
[11:53] <mazal> Bye magespawn 
[11:53] <magespawn> need lunch and need to do some manual labour
[11:53] <TaraLS> magespawn,  *wave*
[11:53] <mazal> I wonder if that PSU is ok
[11:54] <TaraLS> oi
[11:54] <TaraLS> How do I check the PSU without actually swapping it out and using another?
[11:54] <TaraLS> Mom's is 250Watts. Mine's 400w
[11:55] <mazal> But then the live should have caused issues too
[11:55] <mazal> That's the thing that keeps puzzling
[11:56] <TaraLS> mazal,  Well...
[11:56] <TaraLS> The live did cause issues eventually
[11:56] <mazal> You can use this : http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to calculate if you have enough power
[11:57] <TaraLS> I had the computer on for about two days, and then I got hardware sensors detect on live, to see what the temps were doing when I used live, and then live froze
[11:57] <mazal> And that is IF the PSU is working fine
[11:57] <TaraLS> I had to do sudo apt-get-update to fully install sensors
[11:57] <TaraLS> And then I restarted, restarted live, didn't get the sensors or do any updates, and it still froze
[11:57] <TaraLS> My comp had been on for about two and a half days without a break at that point
[11:57] <mazal> hmm
[11:59] <mazal> Forget that calculator btw , I see it is way outdated
[12:00] <TaraLS> I was gonna say... I have to input a lot of stuff. And why does it matter if it is outdated?
[12:01] <mazal> This one seems better http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/
[12:01] <mazal> The other one didn't even have core2duo
[12:01] <TaraLS> Whew... okay. Here I go.
[12:01] <mazal> Do you know what cpu you have ?
[12:02] <TaraLS> It's an intel dual-core E5300 somethingorother
[12:02] <TaraLS> That means I have 2 physical CPUs, right?
[12:03] <Kilos> one physical cpu with two cores in it
[12:03] <mazal> Nope
[12:03] <mazal> Ok I'll try do it for you Tara
[12:03] <mazal> Just tell me what you have
[12:04] <TaraLS> omg
[12:04] <mazal> How many ram ?
[12:04] <TaraLS> 4gig
[12:04] <TaraLS> I did the CPU part
[12:04] <mazal> 2 sticks ? or 1 stick ?
[12:04] <TaraLS> 2 DDR2
[12:04] <TaraLS> 2 2gig
[12:05] <mazal> k
[12:05] <mazal> 3d card ?
[12:05] <mazal> Nvidia , what model ?
[12:05] <TaraLS> I did that already
[12:05] <TaraLS> I have no idea what to do for HDD
[12:05] <TaraLS> nVidia GeForce 9500
[12:05] <TaraLS> Def 3D or Unity wouldn't run
[12:06] <mazal> HDD would probably be IDE 7200
[12:06] <Kilos> 1 TB sata
[12:07] <TaraLS> Ech well
[12:07] <TaraLS> Without the HDD stuff, and with a CD-ROM drive added
[12:07] <TaraLS> I need 266W
[12:07] <TaraLS> And I've obviously got more than what I've only put in thus far.
[12:08] <mazal> Mine gives 302W
[12:08] <mazal> So you well within limits
[12:08] <mazal> IF it is fine
[12:08] <TaraLS> I dunno what PCI card to select, or anything else
[12:08] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[12:08] <mazal> Remember over time a PSU can start to give less power
[12:08] <TaraLS> But not within the limits of mom's, so I can't use IT to test.
[12:08] <TaraLS> "remember". I didn't even know that :P
[12:08] <TaraLS> But my other computer lasted four years.
[12:08] <mazal> hehehe
[12:09] <TaraLS> Then I sploded it.
[12:09] <TaraLS> Granted...
[12:09] <TaraLS> The house I was in then was much better electrically than this piece of eck house
[12:09] <mazal> Then there is things like unstable power , dust etc
[12:09] <TaraLS> (I haven't had a surge protector the entire time)
[12:09] <mazal> That can effect and damage it as well
[12:10] <mazal> I have seen before that a PSU get's damaged and gives only have the wattage it should
[12:10] <TaraLS> Wow
[12:10] <TaraLS> Is there a way to check it without having to swap it out with another?
[12:10] <mazal> But only way to test is to unplug it and plug in a different one
[12:10] <TaraLS> And are you SURE the CPU is fine?
[12:10] <TaraLS> Darn.
[12:11] <mazal> Well according to your heat read-outs it is defnitely not overheating
[12:11] <TaraLS> :(
[12:11] <mazal> But that is IF the sensor is fine and actually giving the correct reading
[12:11] <TaraLS> And you can tell by me looking in the bios?
[12:12] <TaraLS> Ooh. 680w power supply only $40 AUssie dollarz
[12:12] <mazal> No if the sensor is faulty the bios reading will be faulty as well
[12:12] <TaraLS> Can too much power be a super bad thing?
[12:12] <TaraLS> Well bugger.
[12:12] <mazal> You shouldn't spend money on a psu
[12:12] <mazal> Maybe it is ok
[12:12] <mazal> You should test it first
[12:12] <TaraLS> I won't spend money on anything until I know for sure what it is.
[12:13] <mazal> Ya that is best policy
[12:13] <TaraLS> But, I can't test it on mom's PSU. So where do I get a spare one that has enough power?
[12:13] <mazal> THAT be the big problem
[12:13] <TaraLS> Yeah
[12:16] <TaraLS> I tell you what though
[12:16] <TaraLS> All this PC nonsense
[12:16] <TaraLS> I'm a lot less intimidated looking at individual parts now than I was before.
[12:17] <TaraLS> Could the CPU still be an issue, even if its not overheating?
[12:17] <TaraLS> What about the mb?
[12:17] <mazal> The mb can be yes
[12:17] <mazal> It can be any of your hardware
[12:18] <TaraLS> Okay. I'ma see if I can find mb temperatures in the bios somewhere (though I don't remember seeing it; unless it's like northbridge/southbridge?). Then I'm going to sleep.
[12:18] <TaraLS> Cuz I'm super tired.
[12:18] <TaraLS> And I need to be lucid in an hour and a half for rugby
[12:18] <mazal> K , sleep well
[12:18]  * TaraLS waves.
[12:18] <TaraLS> thanks for your help, mazal.
[12:18] <TaraLS> Toodles Kilos.
[12:18] <mazal> Your welcome
[12:18] <Kilos> toods kiddo
[13:41] <Kilos> yo not_found-droid 
[13:42] <Kilos> i found you so nick change wont metter
[13:42] <Kilos> matter either
[13:50] <not_found-droid> Driving 
[14:48] <mazal> Sjoe , have forgotten how slow cd-rw burns
[14:59] <mazal> And now ubuntu doesn't recognize the disc. hmm ???
[15:00] <Kilos> ai
[15:00] <Kilos> what did you burn with
[15:00] <mazal> Brasero
[15:01] <mazal> Redoing on k3b now
[15:01] <Kilos> ya i find k3b a bit better at times
[16:54] <Kilos> evening superfly and others
[16:54] <Kilos> i wont be on late head thumping
[17:31] <Kilos> hi magtie Trix[a]r_za 
[17:32] <magtie> Hi Kilos & Everyone
[17:40]  * mazal is bored
[17:43] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night mazal 
[17:43] <Kilos> see you all morrow
[17:43] <mazal> Nag oom , lekker slaap
[17:43] <Kilos> dankie jy ook
[20:54] <magespawn> wooo hooo finally got the quassel to work again
[21:03] <magespawn> now off to bed sell you all tomorrow
[21:04] <superfly> sell? you're going to sell me? *boohoohoohoo*
[21:32] <inetpro> lol
[22:06] <Kilos> why arent you all asleep
[22:11] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan slaap
[22:12] <Kilos> die donnerweer my no wakker gemaak
[22:12] <inetpro> haha
[22:12] <Kilos> naand inetpro hoekom slaap jy nie
[22:12]  * inetpro slaap lankal
[22:12] <Kilos> ai skuus het ek jou gewakker
[22:12] <psydroid> hoi Kilos en inetpro
[22:12] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[22:13] <Kilos> we running ten past midnight here
[22:13]  * inetpro goes back to snooze mode and ignores further conversation
[22:13] <Kilos> hehe
[22:14] <Kilos> and i forgot to fp
[22:14]  * inetpro dreaming that Kilos is awake and chatting on #ubuntu-za
[22:14] <Kilos> haha
[22:15] <Kilos> nightmare
[22:15] <inetpro> lol
[22:15] <inetpro> good night everyone
[22:15] <psydroid> good night inetpro
[22:15] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[22:16] <psydroid> it's an hour earlier here
[22:16] <Kilos> he was afk
[22:16] <Kilos> and not away but asleep at keyboard
[22:17] <Kilos> hehe
[22:31] <superfly> Kilos: GO TO BED!
[22:31] <Kilos> oh my
[22:31] <Kilos> and you superfly 
[22:31] <superfly> I'm not here...
[22:31] <Kilos> im looking for mbr + boot tools
[22:31] <Kilos> my kde is gone
[22:32] <superfly> Live CD + reinstall grub
[22:32] <Kilos> YOU go to bed, just now you are also an old man
[22:32] <Kilos> cant see the drive at all
[22:33] <Kilos> boot-repair killed it
[22:33]  * superfly disappears for real
[22:33] <Kilos> or can see it but shows it as unallocated space and cant allocate or make new partitions
[22:34] <Kilos> night superfly 
[22:34] <Kilos> sleep tight
[22:34] <Kilos> night all not asleep yet
[22:35] <psydroid> night Kilos
[22:36] <superfly> Kilos: nag oom, I hope you get some more sleep
[22:37] <Kilos> ty sir you too.