[17:34] <pleia2> added a couple FAQ to the draft, and browsing through the -users archive for more
[17:34] <knome> sounds good
[17:34] <knome> i didn't send the email to the ML about the roadmap
[17:35] <knome> i honestly think i did
[17:35] <knome> ...
[17:35] <pleia2> no cookies for you
[17:35] <knome> otoh, we have enough to work on anyway
[17:35] <pleia2> any issues with the menu editor?
[17:35] <knome> good ideas are ++, but if nobody outside the team is willing to work on them, then they are as meaningful as null
[17:35] <knome> menu editor?
[17:36] <knome> what kind of issues?
[17:36] <knome> oh, for the FAQ
[17:36] <pleia2> "any" :)
[17:36] <pleia2> yes
[17:36] <knome> well, it hasn't been perfect
[17:36] <knome> i'm not sure what the exact problems are
[17:36] <knome> it isn't always able to edit the menus correctly
[17:36] <knome> and some people have had "even if i uncheck this, it is re-enabled automatically"
[17:37] <pleia2> ok
[17:37] <knome> but i'm not sure if it has more to do with the menu editor or permission problems
[17:37]  * pleia2 nods
[17:37] <knome> i'd want to say "it's not perfect, use menulibre", but i don't think that would be the best solution
[17:37] <pleia2> yeah
[17:37] <pleia2> is thunar still duplicating partitions for people?
[17:38] <knome> yeah
[17:38] <elfy> evening 
[17:38] <knome> hey elf
[17:38] <knome> y
[17:38] <pleia2> how about "long time to start thunar"?
[17:38] <knome> that too.
[17:38] <pleia2> should that FAQ question just be copied from the last FAQ?
[17:38]  * pleia2 thinks so
[17:39]  * elfy would agree 
[17:39] <knome> or just add the question and link to the old FAQ, so we don't need to maintain two versions of the question
[17:39] <knome> ...if we decide to change the wording
[17:39] <elfy> knome: will the dupe partition fixes move from proposed ?
[17:39] <knome> most probably not
[17:39] <knome> but you'd need to discuss it with mr_pouit 
[17:39] <knome> R isn't LTS, and i don't want to use too much time fixing things in it
[17:40] <knome> er, Q
[17:40] <knome> :P
[17:40] <elfy> so people need to enable proposed, update thunar and the desktop and then disable proposed if they want them 
[17:40] <elfy> and don't want to keep proposed that is 
[17:40] <knome> they're running a non-lts version anyway
[17:41] <knome> for P... again, we'd need to talk with mr_pouit about it
[17:41] <elfy> yea - it's just a really annoying issue lol  - if I could have done more than report it I would have lol 
[17:41] <knome> i'm not sure what counts as something that can go to anything else than -proposed
[17:41] <elfy> :)
[17:42] <knome> and i don't know if there's other possible implications
[17:42] <elfy> anyway - I'll let you two chat about the faq 
[17:42] <knome> "let"? i have to!
[17:42]  * knome hides
[17:43]  * pleia2 slave driver
[17:43] <elfy> :)
[17:43] <knome> hahah
[17:43] <elfy> I would help but I've got a bone in my leg
[17:43] <knome> elfy, hmm... i have some too
[17:43] <elfy> lol - took my kids ages to realise that ... used it as an excuse not to do things for ages
[17:44] <elfy> biab
[17:44] <knome> heh
[17:44] <knome> we're not your kids ;)
[17:55] <elfy> oh good 
[17:55] <elfy> I'd be almost 90 ... 
[17:55] <pleia2> hahaha
[17:55] <pleia2> bah, my mother turns 52 this year :)
[17:56] <elfy> my kids dad turns 50 next 
[17:57] <pleia2> where is the make windows not go tiling option
[17:58] <pleia2> ah, tweaks
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, I'm on my way out the door now, I've added some, fixed up some - knome can you have a look and see if we can get it closer to the finish line? :)
[18:39] <knome> pleia2, i'll do that
[18:40] <GridCube> pleia2, common questions seem to be: duplicated disks on desktop, and alacarte doesnt work
[18:40] <knome> GridCube, that's what she added
[18:41] <GridCube> oh havent read sorry
[18:52] <GridCube> pleia2, question 9 its the same as question 1 for 12.04 faq
[18:52] <GridCube> also number 2 its 8
[18:53] <GridCube> people is already encouraged to check previous faqs
[18:53] <GridCube> no need to repeat questions
[18:53] <knome> GridCube, did you read the backlog?
[18:54] <GridCube> just did
[18:54] <GridCube> thats why im telling that last two comments
[18:54] <GridCube> no need to repeat ourselfs
[21:02] <pleia2> GridCube: I figured they were important faq so it didn't hurt to repeat them
[21:02] <GridCube> okay
[21:03] <pleia2> we're trying to be helpful :) not make people go back and read things when they can't find an answer
[21:03] <pleia2> (plus it reduces burden on support)
[21:03] <knome> though i personally think a link would do
[21:03] <GridCube> i think that too
[21:04] <GridCube> but redundancy its good sometimes
[21:04] <knome> under the question, just tell "go read Qn from X"
[21:04]  * pleia2 nods
[21:04] <pleia2> that would do
[21:04]  * pleia2 off to take cat to vet \o/
[21:04] <knome> that way we'll avoid having to maintain several posts if/when we want/need to change the wording
[21:19] <knome> oh, i missed the last comment
[21:19] <knome> wondering where everybody went
[21:19] <knome> :P
[22:14]  * bluesabre is hiding
[22:24]  * knome hides from bluesabre 
[22:34] <knome> installing menulibre to test it now
[22:34] <knome> bluesabre, btw, if you want more testing for menulibre now, be in touch with elfy and he'll do the work calling for testers
[22:34] <knome> s/installing/upgrading/ :)
[22:36] <knome> bluesabre, can confirm #1072133 is fixed
[22:36] <knome> bug 1072133, stupid ubottu (:
[22:38] <knome> bluesabre, can't see anything failing re: bug 1040027
[22:38] <knome> bluesabre, and can't really test the rest [
[22:38] <knome> [:
[22:39] <adnan> heya
[22:39] <knome> hello adnan 
[22:39] <bluesabre> thanks knome!
[22:39] <knome> np
[22:39] <knome> just let me know if i can help with testing on Q
[22:40] <bluesabre> Sure thing.  Pretty sure it should be good now, except it seems some icons aren't showing up for ochosi
[22:40] <knome> augh.
[22:40] <knome> maybe it has something to do with OnlyShowIn, and wrong WM in the config?
[22:41] <bluesabre> shouldn't matter with how I wrote the program
[22:41] <knome> ok
[22:41] <knome> just throwing in ideas
[22:41] <bluesabre> but, maybe ochosi can find the source of the bug on his setup?
[22:41] <bluesabre> :)
[22:43] <knome> anyway, menulibre still looks great
[22:46] <knome> adnan, so, #xubuntu-offtopic is not worthy enough anymore? ;)
[22:46] <adnan> my bad
[22:46] <adnan> gotta setup autojoin
[22:59] <mr_pouit> pleia2: note that fixes for thunar, xfdesktop4 (dup partitions) and alacarte (wrong menu file chosen) are in quantal-proposed.
[22:59] <mr_pouit> I've no control over that, they have the 'verification-done' tag, so they should be moved soon to quantal-updates
[23:01] <knome> oh, so we're doing that well
[23:01] <knome> i'm so off the track for FOSS right now
[23:01] <knome> tbe, i'm off the track for most things now
[23:02] <pleia2> mr_pouit: oh good, I'll be sure to include a note about all of them (currently I just wrote that fix for thunar is in -proposed)
[23:04] <Unit193> Can anyone see if it's just me with xfdesktop and a memleak?  After a few days, it'll creep up to 17% ram usage in a 2G computer.
[23:04] <pleia2> no issue here, and I never reboot
[23:05] <pleia2> 12.10
[23:06] <Unit193> Alright, if that's the case I'll ignore it and just have cron kill it every morning. :P  (Have to love autorespawn)
[23:38] <mr_pouit> added thunar 1.5.3 to the 4.12 ppa.