[00:00] <mparillo> Thank you. I may try again tomorrow.
[01:19] <claydoh> Riddell: re thqt email about the user who has issues creating an acoount: I am forwarding that to the the other admins. Our security and antispam measures are a bit tough lately due the preponderance of porn and spam links looks like a false positive here.
[03:06] <shadeslayer> morning
[03:12] <shadeslayer> hm, no updated kde-wallpapers in quantal?
[03:13] <shadeslayer> i.e. I don't see a kde-wallpapers 4.9.3 in the kubuntu ppa
[03:14] <ScottK> Maybe we forgot it.
[03:14] <shadeslayer> hmm
[03:14]  * shadeslayer checks ninjas
[03:15] <shadeslayer> not in ninjas as well, yay
[03:15] <ScottK> It exists on ftpmaster
[03:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[03:15] <shadeslayer> so we forgot it :)
[03:16] <shadeslayer> it was uploaded to raring
[03:16] <ScottK> Would you upload it to the PPA then?
[03:16] <shadeslayer> ofcourse :)
[03:16]  * ScottK is busy bisecting kdepim
[03:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[03:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: any luck with KDE PIM?
[03:28] <ScottK> Since it requires arm builds, it's slow.
[03:28] <ScottK> Right now I'm making sure I can replicate the failure on the arm box.
[03:29] <ScottK> I'm also building pim 4.9.3 on one of the other boxes against 4.9.80 to confirm it still builds.
[03:29] <ScottK> If it doesn't, then that would indicate to me the problem is lower in the stack.
[03:30] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[03:31] <shadeslayer> kde-wallpapers uploaded for 12.10 and 12.04 ...
[03:32] <ScottK> Great.  Make sure it's on the package list for kubuntu-automation please.
[03:32] <shadeslayer> k
[03:32] <shadeslayer> where does that branch live though?
[03:32] <shadeslayer> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[03:32] <ScottK> yes
[03:34] <shadeslayer> doesn't kdesc-package-names automagically get all sources?
[03:35] <mparillo> yofel: I did much better, starting again from scratch, but it looks as if debuild expects a secret key in .gnupg. That is different from the ssh-rsa keys I use in bzr, right?
[03:54] <ScottK> If it's just for local changes, pass -us -uc and then it won't try to sign the package.
[04:03] <shadeslayer> btw, let's say 2 packages provide the same file, and will keep providing the same file, but I want the file from Package 2 to be the one always installed, so is declaring something like : Breaks/Replaces: Package1 enough?
[04:03] <shadeslayer> or when Package 1 get's  updated it'll take over the file again
[04:04] <ScottK> Are the files interchangeable from an API perspective?
[04:05] <ScottK> You either need to have the packages conflict or use alternatives.
[04:05] <shadeslayer> don't provide an API, the file is simply a plasma script to add a new panel
[04:05] <ScottK> Why can't the file just be dropped from package 1?
[04:06] <shadeslayer> because upstream ships that file and can't be removed, I want to overwrite that file with my own copy
[04:06] <shadeslayer> my copy basically adds some customizations to the plasma panel when you do Add Panel > Default Panel
[04:07] <shadeslayer> from what I understand divert probably fits this better .....
[04:07] <ScottK> Make your changes a patch to package 1?
[04:07] <shadeslayer> hmm .. that makes sense as well :P
[04:07] <ScottK> Possibly
[04:07]  * shadeslayer was probably over thinking and patching should just work (TM)
[04:14] <shadeslayer> ok, gtg, cya later in the evening :)
[08:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: how would a standing exception improve the kdevelop sru speed?
[08:59] <apachelogger> from what I understand the 4.4.(0/1) update was filed mid-october, uploaded mid-november and tested and released 10 days later
[09:00] <apachelogger> so really the time from update nomination to upload seems to be the bottleneck there
[09:00] <apachelogger> oh, on that note
[09:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: it would be really cool if you could use the boilerplate accepted-into-proposed message ScottK uses
[09:01] <apachelogger> it is rather accessible to people who do not know anything about SRU
[09:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: SRU acceptance has been really backed up recently, so that was an unusual delay, but the main point is that we don't normally do point release updates at all without such an exception.
[09:03] <apachelogger> that was no point release update at all
[09:03] <apachelogger> it was some-random-beta-to-stable
[09:03] <apachelogger> which is not covered by a standing exception anyway and alltogether a bit of a special case
[09:08] <ScottK> True.
[09:08] <apachelogger> on a more prominent note: is it only me or is magnet link experience in the 12.10 a bit crappy?
[09:08] <ScottK> magnet link?
[09:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: distributed torrent magic
[09:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: essentially a torrent without centralized server to coordinate peers
[09:20] <apachelogger> very cloudish thing ^^
[09:39] <apachelogger> bug 1082604
[09:41] <apachelogger> oh, le fixed
[09:41] <apachelogger> hm
[09:42] <apachelogger> lol
[09:42] <apachelogger> that kcm leaked all over the place
[09:42] <apachelogger> wonder how that happened
[09:43] <apachelogger> which reminds me that we still need some auto testing method for full upgrades
[09:53] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1082604] package kde-workspace-bin 4:4.9.3-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082604 (by Alex Buell)
[10:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: remind me to look at pending SRUs in 12 hours
[10:10] <kubotu> okies!
[10:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1082394] krunner freezes @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1082394 (by Manuel López-Ibáñez)
[11:24] <mparillo> I did much better packaging rekonq 1.3, starting again from scratch, but it looks as if debuild expects a secret key in .gnupg. That is different from the ssh-rsa keys I use in bzr, right?
[12:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm partly to blame as well, I should have finished it during UDS, before I went on vacation
[12:56] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[13:59] <yofel> mparillo: it needs a pgp key https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[14:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: anything fun on the N7?
[14:01] <yofel> not really, I trashed my system last week and flashed android back on it for now until I have more time for it
[14:01] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[14:02] <yofel> trashed == I had no desktop and no ssh
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ouch
[14:04] <shadeslayer> I just realized something, for the last 4 years that I've worked with launchpad, I never bothered to take the tour
[14:18] <Tm_T> tour?
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: https://launchpad.net/+tour/index
[14:39] <yofel> join the club...
[15:31] <apachelogger> lol @ bug 1082897
[15:32] <apachelogger> I do wonder what the deal with that particular meta package is actually
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have any documentation on the l10n magic yet?
[15:33] <apachelogger> so the langpack stuff is of supreme madness
[15:34] <apachelogger> language-pack-kde-de deps language-pack-de deps language-pack-de-base recommends firefox-l10n
[15:34]  * apachelogger leaves for train
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: you'd think that it'd be one of the first few things you'd look into, but nope :P
[15:57] <shadeslayer> did someone get around to fixing kubuntu-active ? ^_^
[15:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am reasonable certain there was not much of a tour 4 years ago :P
[15:57] <shadeslayer> /maybe/
[15:58] <shadeslayer> bugs here, bugs there, bugs everywhere \o/
[18:39] <ScottK> Local build of kdepim 4.9.80 succeeded overnight where it failed before, so maybe that was a compiler bug.  Just hit retry.
[19:10] <ScottK> Who's working on Digikam?
[19:37]  * ScottK tries a Calligra snapshot to see if it builds ...
[22:17] <genii-around> Is anyone around from kubuntuforums? We have a Russian user in #k-offtopic thinking he is banned from there for some reason since he gets 503 errors. I'm not sure how to help him.
[22:22] <ScottK> claydoh ^^^
[22:22] <ScottK> genii-around: claydoh or SteveRiley are probably your most likely candidates.
[22:23] <genii-around> ScottK: Thanks for pinging them for me !
[22:23] <ScottK> No problem.
[22:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: isn't there a digikam sru in precise-proposed?
[22:24] <ScottK> Is there?
[22:24] <apachelogger> well, there should be :P
[22:24] <apachelogger> unless I forgot to upload
[22:24] <ScottK> What we really need is the new Digikam release in raring-proposed.
[22:24] <apachelogger> I thought yofel was on that
[22:24] <apachelogger> [ubuntu/precise-proposed] digikam 4:2.5.0-1ubuntu2.1 (Waiting for approval)
[22:25] <ScottK> So there is.
[22:25] <ScottK> Looking.
[22:25]  * ScottK too (re yofel)
[22:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Are these digikam icons upstream now?
[22:26] <yofel> I tried to but was distraced by other things. It's open for anyone now as I won't have time during the week
[22:26] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah
[22:27] <apachelogger> have been for quite a while
[22:27] <apachelogger> we just did not update the install appropriately
[22:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: According to Bug #781728 it needs fixing in quantal too.
[22:28] <ScottK> Actually both the bugs say that.
[22:28] <apachelogger> yeah that is WIP
[22:29] <apachelogger> also that problem warrants discussion in general as it makes SRUs scale by n
[22:31] <ScottK> Also it needs fixing in raring apparently too.
[22:32] <ScottK> So get yofel to finish digikam and upload quantal and I'll accept both quantal and precise.
[22:32] <apachelogger> madness I say
[22:32] <apachelogger> <- pissed off with SRUs again
[22:32] <yofel> as I just said, unless you plan to do that next weekend someone else will have to do it
[22:33]  * apachelogger has a headache for some reason :(
[22:40] <Quintasan> Well, time for some copyright fun
[22:40] <apachelogger> someone blog for me
[22:40] <apachelogger> on that note
[22:41] <apachelogger> a lot of UDS blog posts
[22:41] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:41] <apachelogger> oh, no, actually not
[22:42] <Quintasan> lawl
[22:42] <Quintasan> Yeah, I was supposed to publish something
[22:42] <Quintasan> damn it
[22:42] <Quintasan> forgot to do it
[22:44] <apachelogger> I explicititly remember shadeslayer being all proud about having written something and then trying to snitch on Quintasan for not even wanting to write something
[22:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I do have a draft but I needed some pictures, now that I remember Riddell posted our team photo I will go through the draft and publish it
[22:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I also remember shadeslayer stating that he wrote " ".
[22:46] <apachelogger> you must understand... he went on vacation and apparently hitting publish counts as work :P
[22:46]  * apachelogger gets to do 2 SRUs tomorrow \\o/
[22:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh, btw, ever thought of testdrive for SRU testing?
[22:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Publish button on a blank blog post? Seems like something is broken by desgin.
[22:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: empty pages can be art
[22:47] <apachelogger> or a creative way of stating that you are left without words ^^
[22:47] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Are you implying that empty post on planet looks artistic?
[22:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: not on planet
[22:48] <apachelogger> generally though it can
[22:48] <Quintasan> Then there is little merit in publishing it :D
[22:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not really.
[22:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: neither in publishing weird hello world apps in C ... yet people do that
[22:49] <ScottK> If it makes people ponder what was supposed to be there, maybe that is enough.
[22:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I explictly stated there is nothing worth mentioning in that git repository :)
[22:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: picture it ... Subject: Launchpad? Content: null
[22:50] <ScottK> In CMake land, are false and FALSE the same thing?
[22:50] <Quintasan> I do believe I even wrote that the whole repository is an excuse to learn git
[22:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[22:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: also OFF is the same
[22:50] <apachelogger> possibly even more
[22:50] <ScottK> OK.
[22:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: writting stuff upper case is the nice way to do it though
[22:50] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That Launchpad thing, isn't that the default output on any query?
[22:50]  * apachelogger has typing problems :O
[22:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no, it goes oooooops
[22:51] <ScottK> We have -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=false in the configure line for kde4libs in debian/rules and yet it is enabled.
[22:51] <Quintasan> I thought it goes booooooom
[22:51] <ScottK> This is why Calligra is fubar.
[22:51] <apachelogger> weird
[22:51] <apachelogger> maybe it changed
[22:53] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try FALSE and see what happens.
[22:53] <apachelogger> case should not matter unless KDE's cmake magic sets it to be case sensitive
[22:53] <ScottK> No idea.
[22:54] <apachelogger> i.e. for phonon with more or less default cmake FALSE == false == OFF == off
[22:54] <ScottK> That or tsdgeos made it unoverideable somehow.
[22:54] <apachelogger> that'd be fun ^^
[22:55]  * apachelogger also needs to try testdrive for SRU tomorrow
[22:55] <apachelogger> seems like a worthwhile thingy since you can easily get your hands on any release
[22:57] <ScottK> KDE4_BUILD_TESTS is "ON", so I'm going to try "OFF".
[23:09] <Quintasan> haha
[23:09] <Quintasan> genii-around: Same here, I get 403 FORBIDDEN
[23:10] <Quintasan> claydoh: Why did you ban me T_T
[23:10] <genii-around> Hm
[23:11] <Quintasan> claydoh: http://imgur.com/cqa2w
[23:16] <genii-around> Interesting.
[23:19] <Quintasan> ScottK, Riddell, apachelogger: Is there anything else worth mentioning in my blog post apart form Qt 5 when it comes to packaging part?
[23:27] <Quintasan> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-development
[23:27] <Quintasan> [kubuntu-dev] eat lunch: DONE
[23:27] <Quintasan> lol