[17:26] <BrokenThumb> Did anyone try to install Ubuntu on the Windows RT tablet yet? (Just a random thought that popped up in my head)
[17:26] <Pici> I don't know anyone with a Windows RT tablet yet ;)
[17:27] <BrokenThumb> Alright, I'll also try in #ubuntu-arm
[17:27] <bazhang> the surface?
[17:28] <BrokenThumb> bazhang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT
[17:28] <BrokenThumb> Or should I lmgtfy.com it next time? ;-)
[17:29] <bazhang> is that a 'no'?
[17:31] <BrokenThumb> Well, the "Surface" tablet is the collective name for all Windows tablets I'm guessing.
[17:31] <bazhang> ok
[17:31] <BrokenThumb> The Windows RT Surface tablet is the ARM version I think.
[17:32] <bazhang> nice
[17:32] <AlanBell> does it run windows 8?
[17:33] <AlanBell> that looks like a yes
[17:33] <AlanBell> BrokenThumb: it won't ever run anything but Windows
[17:34] <AlanBell> secure boot on ARM is not disableable and is mandatory for windows 8 certification
[17:34] <BrokenThumb> Yuck...<_<"
[17:35] <BrokenThumb> AlanBell: that's a real shame, because it's lovely hardware! Good design and well thought out. Nothing you'd expect from Microsoft O_O
[17:35] <AlanBell> http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/01/microsoft-mandating-secure-boot-on-arm-making-linux-installs-difficult/
[17:36] <IdleOne> Shouldn't someone sue them or something
[17:36] <IdleOne> I guess they can make their hardware as closed as they like
[17:37] <AlanBell> dunno if it would be possible to run a signed copy of Ubuntu or Fedora on it
[17:37] <AlanBell> but basically it comes pre-bricked from the factory
[17:37] <BrokenThumb> Yeah. real shame.
[17:38] <AlanBell> I am hoping there are going to be some really cool tablet/netbook things coming out soon
[17:38] <AlanBell> kind of a nexus 10 with a clamshell keyboard
[17:38] <AlanBell> high resolution display, ARM, good battery life, no fan, and touchscreen
[17:40] <IdleOne> What is it that makes ARM so interesting for the end user?
[17:40] <IdleOne> if anything?
[17:40] <AlanBell> battery life/no fan
[17:40] <AlanBell> arguably
[17:41] <IdleOne> I guess what I am asking is, as a non-dev should I be caring about ARM?
[17:42] <AlanBell> not very much (in fact as a dev you don't need to care much unless you are doing low level stuff)
[17:42] <AlanBell> the main difference is windows 8 certification requirements and lower power than intel
[21:23] <AlanBell> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2016893/why-google-might-market-a-touchscreen-chromebook.html
[21:24] <AlanBell> it is as if they were listening to me
[21:24] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[21:27] <k1l> i like the arm touchbook. a bigger ssd and ubuntu on it and i is a really nice one
[21:27] <k1l> *chromebook (not touchbook)
[21:27] <AlanBell> I want that awesome screen from the Nexus 10 though
[21:28] <AlanBell> tempted to get one of my kids the chromebook though
[21:28] <k1l> i want my ordered nexus4 :( still in backorder limbo