| aarcane | I'm trying to do a modified install for an ubuntu based distro that uses ubiquity and doesn't provide an "alternate" disk. | 05:06 |
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| aarcane | I've got a custom, alternate root filesystem not supported by the installer and not backed by a traiditional block device, so I have to set up my / partition and just get ubiquity to install to that. it should do everything except configure grub and fstab.. | 05:07 |
| aarcane | but I don't know how to tell ubiquity where / is mounted, or where to mount /, and I don't know how to tell it to skip disk management steps. | 05:07 |
| cjwatson | xnox: You changed usb-creator's binaries back to Architecture: all - are you sure that was the right thing to do? I deliberately changed them all to "Architecture: amd64 i386" a while back to avoid unsatisfied-dependency noise because they depend on syslinux. | 10:52 |
| xnox | cjwatson: hmm... pre-mature on having a dd backend & nexus7 backend neither of which will require syslinux. | 10:54 |
| xnox | cjwatson: where do you see this "unsatisfied-dependency noise" ? | 10:54 |
| cjwatson | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/raring_probs.html | 10:55 |
| cjwatson | (All the other problems there are being addressed) | 10:55 |
| xnox | cjwatson: ack. Ok, I will fix my mess. | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | Thanks | 10:56 |
| xnox | thanks for the link. | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | It'll need manual cleanup after your upload, since the partial-NBS binaries won't go away by themselves | 10:56 |
| cjwatson | But I'll be able to take care of that | 10:56 |
| infinity | xnox: It should never be arch:all, if the deps will be different per arch. | 10:59 |
| infinity | xnox: Since syntax like "Depends: syslinux [amd64], foo-arm-thing [amrhf]" only works on arch:any (or Arch: armhf amd64 etc) binaries. | 11:00 |
| xnox | infinity: How about Suggests: syslinux ? | 11:01 |
| infinity | That would be incorrect, if it depends on it. :P | 11:01 |
| xnox | (assuming it gains a dd backend) | 11:01 |
| infinity | If the syslinux backend ends up being a less-frequently-used option, it might be alright as a recommends. But it's always annoying when a menu option just fails to function, too. | 11:02 |
| xnox | true. | 11:06 |
| === ogra-cb__ is now known as ogra-cb | ||
| ogra-cb | hmpf | 12:58 |
| ogra-cb | i'd love to know why orca comes up by default on nexus7 installs | 12:58 |
| xnox | ogra-cb: ubiquity. | 13:01 |
| xnox | ?! | 13:01 |
| ogra-cb | well, i didnt enable anything | 13:01 |
| ogra-cb | theer is a default enabling of a11y and oboard for the final install though | 13:02 |
| ogra-cb | so the first one likely makes a11y being on in oem-config, but i dont get why ii get orca instead of onboard | 13:02 |
| === lan3y is now known as Laney | ||
| xnox | it appears that we disable background at the accessibility setting v1 (lesser visual impairment support) but not at v2/3 (moderate & blind). | 13:27 |
| * xnox will fix to disable background at all visual impairment settings, if that is ok. | 13:27 | |
| cjwatson | Yes, I think that's a simple oversight. | 13:29 |
| xnox | cjwatson: also, compiz has a background picture command line arg, so I'll experiment using compiz for background picture drawing instead of our own "desktop background picture frame" app | 13:30 |
| ogra-cb | oh, we dont use gnome-settings-daemon for the wallpaper drawing ? | 13:32 |
| xnox | nope =) | 13:32 |
| * ogra-cb sees it being started in ubiquity-dm | 13:32 | |
| ogra-cb | we could just use it in cases where g-s-d is running anyway | 13:32 |
| xnox | ogra-cb: is g-s-d actually drawing the background picture, or does it just store the setting for nautilus/gnome-shell/compiz to draw the background picture? | 13:33 |
| ogra-cb | hmm, i wonder if its time to finally switch preinstalled images to use the oem user instaed of root | 13:33 |
| xnox | ogra-cb: well, I am working on supporting compiz, such that we can experiment with unseeding metacity from nexus7 images. | 13:34 |
| ogra-cb | the install leaves quite some hidden dir cruft in /root | 13:34 |
| cjwatson | xnox: Sure, as long as it's only when compiz can be used | 13:34 |
| xnox | cjwatson: ack. | 13:34 |
| xnox | cjwatson: i'm adding as the last elseif, so existing priorities of WM are not changed. | 13:35 |
| ogra-cb | xnox, i think its g-s-d itself through one of its plugins, ask seb128 for more details :) | 13:35 |
| xnox | ogra-cb: interesting. | 13:35 |
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| xnox | compiz support is in - need to fix bugs now =) | 14:59 |
| * xnox \0/ | 14:59 | |
| * ogra-cb hugs xnox | 15:00 | |
| aarcane | is it possible to bypass the disk configuration step in the ubiquity installer yet ? | 15:16 |
| xnox | aarcane: sure, just move partman.py plugin out of the way. but then you are expected to get /target setup and ready as the target install's "root" | 15:17 |
| xnox | aarcane: or see reuse/replace recepies on reusing pre-partitioned disks. | 15:18 |
| xnox | aarcane: Can you explain what are you trying to do to skip disk configuration step? | 15:18 |
| xnox | aarcane: there is oem-config which does user setup only & can be run from pre-partitioned/live-build devices like ac100 & nexus7 for example. | 15:19 |
| xnox | we call those images "pre-installed" e.g. we ship the tarball + instructions on how to put that on target machine & on first boot oem-config asks to setup the user only. | 15:19 |
| xnox | (all of this has been available since a long time now) | 15:19 |
| aarcane | I'm installing on zfs from a ubuntu derivative. | 15:20 |
| xnox | aarcane: we have zfs support in ubuntu livecd already. | 15:20 |
| xnox | aarcane: in the installer | 15:20 |
| xnox | in ubiquity. | 15:21 |
| aarcane | xnox, this is based on 12.04, I believe. | 15:21 |
| xnox | aarcane: yes in 12.04. | 15:21 |
| xnox | aarcane: just preseed default filesystem as zfs instead of ext4 | 15:22 |
| aarcane | the zfsonlinux people don't know this... they're still relying on the debootstrap method | 15:22 |
| xnox | aarcane: share the news?! | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | Uh - partman-zfs is only supported on kFreeBSD | 15:22 |
| cjwatson | If preseeding the default filesystem to zfs works, it's by accident | 15:23 |
| aarcane | on a related note, I'm not finding partman.py. where is it located? | 15:23 |
| xnox | aarcane: right, so you need to make sure you have working partman-zfs package in the live environment & related zfs tools are available. | 15:23 |
| xnox | then it should all work, or maybe changes will be required to ubi-partman.py | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | partman-zfs isn't even in raring any more | 15:24 |
| xnox | =( | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | (Because it wasn't built on any Ubuntu architecture) | 15:24 |
| aarcane | cjwatson, I'm going to say maybe you should build in the zfs support, since the only missing step is running a few commands from the console, namely apt-add-repository ppa:zfs-native/stable and aptitude install ubuntu-zfs, then zfs support is present. | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | Then somebody needs to fix partman-zfs in Debian to support non-BSD systems | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | It's not something I'm personally going to do ... | 15:26 |
| cjwatson | (And really, if those tools are good enough they should be in Debian/Ubuntu directly, not require a PPA) | 15:26 |
| aarcane | cjwatson, it's a licensing issue. | 15:26 |
| aarcane | besides, zfs support SHOULD be all based on standardized CLI commands, and should just work regardless of architecture. | 15:27 |
| aarcane | if the zfs and zpool commands are present, it should work. | 15:27 |
| cjwatson | Well, even so, we can't build it in unless the underlying partman-zfs package is something other than "Architecture: kfreebsd-any" | 15:27 |
| aarcane | anyway, I'm going to miss my bus if I don't go get ready now. | 15:27 |
| xnox | aarcane: sure, make sure you have the partman-zfs, that's the package that verifies that "zfs" is avalable and "gives green" light to the installer to uze zfs. | 15:28 |
| pmatulis | is kickseed support any more advanced than what i can infer from this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstartCompatibility | 20:10 |
| pmatulis | cjwatson? ⤴ | 20:11 |
| cjwatson | pmatulis: There've been a few improvements - the installation guide on help.ubuntu.com is canonical on this. It's mostly in maintenance mode though. | 21:01 |
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