| === Experium is now known as FailDrain | ||
| === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer | ||
| popey | morning | 08:15 |
|---|---|---|
| theopensourcerer | Meauning | 08:25 |
| diplo | Morning | 08:56 |
| AlanBell | morning | 08:56 |
| BigRedS | Morning! | 09:07 |
| czajkowski | morning folks! | 09:23 |
| * daubers makes the backup mailserver flush it's queues | 09:25 | |
| JamesTait | Happy Monday! | 09:45 |
| === cking_ is now known as cking | ||
| SuperMatt | hmmm, we need a good anacronym for Linux, Nginx, Postgres and Django | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | it doesn't have the same ring to is as LAMP | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | or I could go with PUND: postgres, ubuntu, nginx and djago | 10:07 |
| SuperMatt | or should django be replaced with python, which means I could use NUPP as an anacronym | 10:08 |
| SuperMatt | oh oh oh | 10:09 |
| SuperMatt | PoNgLiPy | 10:10 |
| BigRedS | django counts as python, surely? | 10:13 |
| BigRedS | Otherwise lots of lamp would be something like damz, with Debian and Zend | 10:13 |
| SuperMatt | indeed | 10:16 |
| SuperMatt | I think polipyng sounds better, now I think about it | 10:19 |
| * BigRedS reboots into Roaring | 10:24 | |
| BigRedS | or raring | 10:24 |
| BigRedS | whatever it is | 10:24 |
| czajkowski | mrevell: ello ello | 10:24 |
| BigRedS | Protip: If there's a [y/n] prompt, read what it's asking *before* hitting 'y'. I was not expecting that reboot | 10:25 |
| mrevell | Hi czajkowski | 10:26 |
| czajkowski | mrevell: get sorted with the t-shirts | 10:27 |
| diplo | heh BigRedS :P | 10:30 |
| popey | http://www.ebuyer.com/407451-sandisk-256gb-pulse-ssd-sdssdp-256g-g25 | 10:34 |
| popey | getting cheap, these SSDs! | 10:34 |
| diplo | popey: yeah starting to get to the point I may buy one | 10:38 |
| SuperMatt | I bought a 125gigger about a year ago | 10:39 |
| diplo | Tempted by that one in the email this morning | 10:39 |
| SuperMatt | freaking love it | 10:39 |
| diplo | I'd like 2 really, but that may be pushing things to far | 10:39 |
| SuperMatt | I turn on my pc, sit down and it's at the log in prompt | 10:39 |
| * diplo would like that :) | 10:45 | |
| Laney | best single upgrade | 10:46 |
| SuperMatt | I wish it was quite that good, but actually it takes an age to get through the bios | 10:46 |
| SuperMatt | but after that, it's pretty snappy | 10:46 |
| dwatkins | I lift the lid on my laptop and it's at the password prompt ;) | 10:47 |
| SuperMatt | oh yeah, I do that too on my laptop | 10:48 |
| SuperMatt | when the next price drop comes around, I might take the ssd out of my desktop, put it in my laptop, and put a larger ssd in the desktop | 10:48 |
| SuperMatt | 512G should be enough for the OS plus a few games | 10:49 |
| dwatkins | yeah, I'm very tempted to go with an SSD on my next machine (a desktop, so I can play games on it without getting burned fingers) | 10:50 |
| BigRedS | I love the fact that bioses appear to have not been developed at all in about 20 years | 10:51 |
| dwatkins | BigRedS: I thought EFI was effectively a replacement for that | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | Mine still takes about 8 seconds, and the one on my 90s thinkpad took about 10 | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | dwatkins: yeah | 10:51 |
| dwatkins | then again, stuff not changing is often good, as PCs get faster the old stuff loads more quickly | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | but between about 1991 and whenever EFI started (this year?) the boot time in a Bios was horrendous | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | that tinycore thing took almost exactly zero time to boot | 10:52 |
| dwatkins | my netbook boots in 20 seconds, it spends 12 of those seconds in POST | 10:52 |
| BigRedS | though, that said, I still keep missing the 'hit <F12> for setup' message. Not sure I need faster bioses | 10:52 |
| dwatkins | I imagine I can probably improve that by turning off disk detection or something | 10:52 |
| directhex | BigRedS, bioses *can't* have changed significantly, or they cease to be BIOS | 10:52 |
| BigRedS | yeah, should be an "assume nothing has changed" switch | 10:53 |
| BigRedS | directhex: now you sound like mjg | 10:53 |
| directhex | BigRedS, the spec includes, e.g. wait times for drive detection | 10:53 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I think that's why the few faster alternatives don't claim to be bioses | 10:53 |
| BigRedS | but bios replacements | 10:53 |
| * dwatkins bops along to Pendulum | 10:54 | |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:55 |
| gord | popey, may be releavant to your interests http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-26-mojang-makes-bespoke-minecraft-for-the-scrumptious-raspberry-pi | 10:56 |
| popey | yeah :) | 10:56 |
| dwatkins | I'm interested to see if they're going to optimise Minecraft for the Pi, as that can only help users with not-so-fast PCs who currently have to put up with it having a very high CPU load. | 10:58 |
| gord | its pocket edition, not minecraft proper | 11:00 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, same as on mobile | 11:01 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | 3 weeks of emails kinda hurts | 11:03 |
| BigRedS | Minecraft for the raspberry pi? But it's in Java! | 11:05 |
| BigRedS | oh. pocket version | 11:05 |
| xnox | also java does run on armel | 11:11 |
| dubac0 | hi does is there advice on MP4 and MP3 players compatibility with ubuntu? | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: that CPU even has hardware java accelleration | 11:13 |
| AlanBell | try cat /proc/cpuinfo on a pi | 11:13 |
| BigRedS | xnox: yeah, but it runs away with all your resources on a modern machine... | 11:13 |
| popey | I suspect it's a cut down version | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | it isn't used for anything, but it does have jazelle support | 11:14 |
| dubac0 | would a Philips SA3MXX04WA/02 work with ubuntu? | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | dubac0: probably | 11:16 |
| popey | dubac0, hard to tell without someone trying it | 11:16 |
| popey | it _might_ be a mass storage device, or some odd MTP/PTP thing | 11:16 |
| popey | I'd ask the manufacturer :) | 11:16 |
| AlanBell | it is likely to be a mass storage device, it isn't new enough to be weird | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | dubac0: Sansa Fuse | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | dubac0: oh sorry I thought you were after a player | 11:18 |
| dubac0 | popey, its and mp3 player | 11:18 |
| AlanBell | dubac0: yup, but from the point of view of the computer when you plug it in, it is probably just like a USB thumb drive | 11:19 |
| popey | dubac0, i know :) | 11:19 |
| dubac0 | ok | 11:21 |
| dubac0 | tack | 11:21 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| MooDoo | hello all | 12:51 |
| brobostigon | hello MooDoo | 12:51 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: morning me owld mukka | 12:51 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: alright geeza, long time nah speak, how's it 'angin? | 12:52 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: still recovering from the email explosion that hit me email inbox after a week off, a week in London and then another week off machine is still currently sorting them :( Flat is still partially upside down but I have a rad in office now woohoo! | 12:53 |
| MooDoo | flat? you moved? | 12:54 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: no heating got updated by the council so we had to box everything up, then the week the work was done I was in London on a sprint and then a week off to unpack | 12:55 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: good luck then geeza lol | 12:56 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: we are in the upacking and sorting phase at the moment | 12:57 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: well glad to see you got your priorities right :D | 12:57 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: oh yes get the machines to do all the work ;) | 12:58 |
| MooDoo | :) | 13:01 |
| === issyl0 is now known as Guest33668 | ||
| === lan3y is now known as Laney | ||
| mungojerry | anyone like the cool name of that tory MP? | 13:12 |
| mungojerry | michael fabricant | 13:12 |
| mungojerry | sounds like something from terminator or blade runner | 13:12 |
| mungojerry | caption anyone? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/news-in-pictures-8026326.html?action=gallery&ino=13 | 13:14 |
| dwatkins | "I can't see anything in this costume, can you?" | 13:16 |
| dwatkins | (helps to know that 'Aussichtsterrassen' means 'observation terrace') | 13:16 |
| davmor2_ | mungojerry: and there was me thinking it was something you stuck in your washing machine to soften your washing :D | 13:20 |
| mungojerry | i can't see anything but that nice guy from apple said just keep walking straight ahead and we'll find it | 13:21 |
| dwatkins | 'move along'? | 13:28 |
| BigRedS_ | I'm after a case for my kindle that means I can chuck it in an overfull bag with reckless abandon and it probably wont break. Any suggestions? | 13:39 |
| mungojerry | my wife has a nice cheap padded one | 13:39 |
| BigRedS_ | yeah, I'm pondering those. Or making some crazy wooden box for it | 13:40 |
| mungojerry | missis got hers from tesco | 13:40 |
| BigRedS_ | Everything that claims to protect it seems to assume my worry is a scratched screen, not a cracked one | 13:40 |
| BigRedS_ | But my current 'solution' of a tupperware contaier works really well, excpet for being about 12 times thicker than the kindle | 13:41 |
| * popey stabs his acer revo | 13:52 | |
| einonm | BigRedS_: I used an old heavy leather diary cover for mine. Worked a treat, until it conked out | 13:54 |
| mungojerry | i saw popey on a bbc news article t'other day | 14:08 |
| mungojerry | trying to find it again | 14:09 |
| SuperMatt | why would you subject yourself to such torture *again*? | 14:10 |
| * davmor2_ watches popey get catapulted across the room from the electric shock from stabbing said revo | 14:10 | |
| mungojerry | popey, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20452192 | 14:12 |
| mungojerry | is that you? | 14:12 |
| daubers | mungojerry: That really does look suspiciously like popey...... | 14:14 |
| mungojerry | yeah | 14:15 |
| mungojerry | more popey than elvis | 14:15 |
| === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 | ||
| popey | can't be me, it's public transport | 14:20 |
| davmor2 | popey: looks like a London double decker and I know you don't drive to London ;) | 14:23 |
| popey | lies | 14:24 |
| popey | I love driving in London | 14:24 |
| mungojerry | there are popey replicas among us | 14:25 |
| shauno | I think he's just spreading disinformation | 14:25 |
| daubers | BEWARE THE POPELICANTS! | 14:25 |
| daubers | In just 5 years time, 90% of the earths surface will be covered with them! | 14:26 |
| * daubers goes to find a tinfoil hat and a shotgun | 14:26 | |
| mungojerry | yes, it's a weak argument | 14:26 |
| popey | \o/ fixed revo | 14:26 |
| * popey unstabs it | 14:26 | |
| davmor2 | popey: reheheally I think you LIE! nobody enjoys driving in London fullstop :P | 14:32 |
| popey | i do :) | 14:32 |
| popey | always have | 14:32 |
| davmor2 | popey: also if you look really carefully you'll notice that the guy in the picture has a horrendous Hawaiian Shirt on under that Coat :D | 14:33 |
| * daubers has to go to London tomorrow :( | 14:34 | |
| daubers | Client is somewhere near Kensington, so I think I might accidentally end up in the Science Museum while trying to find Paddington on the way home | 14:34 |
| === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti | ||
| davmor2 | daubers: but paddington is really easy to find he is the only bear I know in a duffel coat and trilby hat | 14:40 |
| daubers | davmor2: Just follow the marmalade paw prints? | 14:40 |
| davmor2 | daubers: or set up a sandwich trap | 14:41 |
| === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS | ||
| AlanBell | mrevell: have you met the entry requirements for https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical ? | 15:09 |
| mrevell | AlanBell, I suppose i have :) | 15:09 |
| popey | :) | 15:10 |
| AlanBell | gosh, well congratulations on the new role :) | 15:11 |
| daubers | what is mrevell doing now? | 15:12 |
| mrevell | Thanks AlanBell :) | 15:13 |
| davmor2 | mrevell: is breaking databases now ermmmm promoting I always get them confused ;) | 15:13 |
| mrevell | daubers, I'm Community Manager for EMEA at Basho, the people behind the open source schema-less database Riak. | 15:13 |
| mrevell | davmor2, Helping other people break them :) | 15:14 |
| AlanBell | which is like couchdb, except in erlang, like couchdb is | 15:14 |
| AlanBell | as far as I can make out | 15:14 |
| czajkowski | daubers: you're in london tomorrow, mrevell has an event on in london tomrorow | 15:14 |
| daubers | czajkowski: I hope to only be in London for precisley 120 minutes, 30 minutes of tubes, 30 minutes of dealing with a customer and 60 minutes of the science museum :) | 15:15 |
| daubers | (60 minutes too many IMHO) | 15:15 |
| czajkowski | bah | 15:15 |
| mrevell | AlanBell, Riak is a key value store and has an emphasis on scalability and availability, which is really quite unlike CouchDB ;) | 15:15 |
| mrevell | heh | 15:15 |
| mrevell | AlanBell, But yeah, same sort of thing … a NoSQL db | 15:15 |
| daubers | mrevell: So "Big Data" stuffs really then? | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | I was doing NoSQL for many years, until it became fashionable | 15:16 |
| mrevell | I'm sure I still have my Lotus Notes client licence somewhere... | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that was me :) | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | I knew Damien Katz a bit | 15:17 |
| mrevell | Erlang seems pretty cool, actually. One of my personal goals for next year is to get Riak into Universe. | 15:18 |
| davmor2 | daubers: 60 minutes too many you want to drop the tube and customer bit then? | 15:18 |
| daubers | davmor2: Exactley | 15:18 |
| daubers | davmor2: I'm pretty sure remote desktop was invented to help me avoid ever having to go to London | 15:19 |
| popey | mrevell, pimped to greater london linux user group? | 15:19 |
| davmor2 | daubers: just get yourself a job as night security at the science museum and set up a bunk in the cellar done right? | 15:19 |
| mrevell | popey, Yeah, I sent a mail along earlier at czajkowski's suggestion. | 15:19 |
| daubers | davmor2: Too much time in London then | 15:20 |
| popey | ah, ok | 15:20 |
| BigRedS | I've a 'proper' ubuntu 12.10 'server edition' CD from a goodie bag at UDS. IS it probably a LiveCD? | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: nope, server isn't | 15:21 |
| BigRedS | bah | 15:22 |
| * BigRedS has a new coaster | 15:22 | |
| BigRedS | :) | 15:22 |
| popey | ooh, i dont have one of them | 15:22 |
| popey | need to update my collection | 15:22 |
| BigRedS | do you want this one? I guess you can get hold of them pretty easily | 15:23 |
| popey | nah, its okay | 15:25 |
| davmor2 | BigRedS: the clue is in the title the desktop ones tend to say desktop ;) | 15:25 |
| kvarley | When launching TF2 via Steam I get the following message in the terminal window - "You appear to have OpenGL 1.4.0, but we need at least 2.0.0!" How can I upgrade my opengl version? | 15:25 |
| kvarley | I'm using fglrx-updates on Ubuntu 12.10. 64bit installation. | 15:26 |
| BigRedS | davmor2: yeah, I just wondered if the ones given out were more, er, friendly? | 15:26 |
| davmor2 | kvarley: that might be the Opengl supported by your gfx driver rather than the version installed maybe, I could be wrong though | 15:31 |
| kvarley | davmor2: Ah ok. I have no idea how to fix it. Only thing I can think of is trying the beta driver from AMD. But I know if I upgrade to that I can no longer control screen brightness so I don't want to do that if possible. | 15:32 |
| gord | kvarley, pastebin the output of glxinfo | 15:33 |
| gord | will need to install mesa-utils to get that binary | 15:33 |
| kvarley | gord: mesa-utils wasn't installed, is that bad? | 15:34 |
| gord | its normal | 15:34 |
| kvarley | gord: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1389202/ | 15:35 |
| kvarley | gord: "server glx version string: 1.4" means opengl 1.4 ? | 15:35 |
| gord | kvarley, your gpu/driver supports gl 4.0. it looks like a bug in valves code in how they look up opengl, tell them to stop being crap | 15:37 |
| gord | or send a bug if you can, they probably appreciate that more | 15:38 |
| kvarley | gord: hehe :) thanks for the help | 15:38 |
| BigRedS | I keep seeing 'devops' job ads that don't mention any particular language for the 'dev' half. Have I misunderstood what devops is? | 16:15 |
| diplo | BigRedS: Anything/everything ? | 16:20 |
| diplo | Pretty much my job is like that | 16:20 |
| AlanBell | http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/12/11/26/1410236/ask-mark-shuttleworth-anything | 16:29 |
| AlanBell | or just, um, ask Mark anything by emailing him or pinging him on IRC | 16:30 |
| AlanBell | I guess this is "ask Mark anything with an audience looking at what you are asking" | 16:30 |
| SuperMatt | slashdot is the most vocally anti-ubuntu website out there. I can't see this going over to well | 16:32 |
| BigRedS | does he normally answer questions emailed at him? If I had a question for him, I'm not sure I'd expect to be able to just email him about it | 16:36 |
| popey | AlanBell, it's going where the users are | 16:38 |
| popey | if there were any users left looking at /. of course :) | 16:38 |
| * AlanBell looks at slashdot still | 16:39 | |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: sure he does, he is very responsive | 16:39 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: yeah but you got way too much time on your hands ;) | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | or just ask him stuff on IRC if you see sabdfl online | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | helps if you have something worth asking of course | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: I just haven't got the hang of reddit | 16:40 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: red....what ;) | 16:41 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: yeah, I don't, but I still wouldn't expect that to be a thing he does. I can see why people don't just email him questions and instead use an 'Ask Mark' session | 16:41 |
| BigRedS | Haha, reddit's currently my biggest time sink, I think | 16:42 |
| popey | its /. not reddit, the AMA on reddit hasn't happened yet AIUI | 16:42 |
| AlanBell | davmor2: indeed, it is a very old fashioned looking web forum thing, with no particular features that make it suitable for real time interaction, but it is surprisingly popular | 16:43 |
| BigRedS | Yeah, I just thought the conversation had shifted to reddit | 16:43 |
| AlanBell | which is critisism that could also apply to slashdot | 16:43 |
| BigRedS | "old fashioned" isn't criticism! | 16:45 |
| popey | cf: mailing lists :) | 16:45 |
| AlanBell | mailing lists are more suited to real time discussions than web forums | 16:46 |
| BigRedS | real time? | 16:46 |
| popey | depends on the user | 16:46 |
| AlanBell | interactive | 16:46 |
| popey | I've seen people send mails to lists and then reply immediately with "bump" to speed up responses | 16:47 |
| popey | because they were seen as slow compared to forums | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | I have unread marks and don't have to refresh the page to see new stuff inserted into threads | 16:47 |
| BigRedS | mailing lists are more threaded than most forums, but other than that the real-timeliness seems about the same | 16:47 |
| popey | I am not going to argue with you about lists vs forums | 16:47 |
| popey | i hate forums | 16:47 |
| popey | but other people like them | 16:47 |
| popey | strangely | 16:47 |
| SuperMatt | I hate forums *and* mailing lists | 16:48 |
| AlanBell | yup, forums would be fine if they had unread marks and AJAX insertion of new content | 16:48 |
| SuperMatt | tbh, I hate email | 16:48 |
| BigRedS | On unthreaded forums you can usually go to the first unread message | 16:49 |
| BigRedS | but threaded ones tend to not know which bits of the page you've read yet | 16:50 |
| SuperMatt | one that did it well was b3ta.com. It'd put a little mark next to anything which wasn't there the last time you looked at the page | 16:50 |
| AlanBell | exactly, and to get new stuff you have to refresh the page, and it doesn't distinguish between stuff you just read, and the new bits | 16:50 |
| popey | \o/ | 16:50 |
| popey | i recall this argument some 8 years ago :) | 16:50 |
| BigRedS | haha | 16:51 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I think the use cases are normally different enough that people who like forums don't want them to be like mailing lists | 16:51 |
| BigRedS | AlanBell: to get the new stuff from a mailing list you have to switch to the next message... | 16:51 |
| AlanBell | yeah, this is an old argument, I was just hoping that someone would tell me I am an idiot and missed the "turn on unread marks and ajax" button somewhere | 16:53 |
| popey | has nobody seriously made a forum which does ajax? | 16:53 |
| mgdm | I'm sure there are a few | 16:54 |
| popey | i wrote a screenscraper once which ripped posts from ubuntu forums and put them in a db, so you could then do what you want with them, put them into a news group or mail | 16:54 |
| davmor2 | popey: surely you want a forum that uses vim not ajax ;) | 16:57 |
| X3N | Has planet ubuntu uk been killed off? | 16:58 |
| BigRedS | an ajaxy forum would irritate the crap out of me. I already dislike it when Twitter breaks my scroll bar | 16:58 |
| popey | i try to force myself to use vim | 16:58 |
| popey | yes X3N | 16:58 |
| X3N | booooo | 16:58 |
| popey | like those apple keynotes where the news sites do ajaxy autorefreshy page things | 16:59 |
| popey | we should do that ;) | 16:59 |
| mgdm | 'Ajax' doesn't have to mean 'breaks scroll bars' | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | yup, like that, but threaded and with context | 17:00 |
| mgdm | that's only when people do it wrong | 17:00 |
| mgdm | it doesn't automatically require infinite scrolling or whatever | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | nope, just event based DOM manipulation | 17:00 |
| * AlanBell wonders if mrevell knows if riak has callbacks like the couchdb streaming stuff | 17:01 | |
| AlanBell | something like this would be handy http://guide.couchdb.org/draft/notifications.html | 17:01 |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: go to the event and ask the people who would know ;) | 17:03 |
| AlanBell | yeah, might do | 17:03 |
| BigRedS | mgdm: no, but I assumed that automatically inserting posts in threads would break my scrollbar | 17:05 |
| BigRedS | Perhaps it wont - there are many very good reasons I don't do websites, and this may well be one of them :) | 17:05 |
| AlanBell | BigRedS: doubt it, much less than inserting a chunk of content at the bottom of the page | 17:06 |
| BigRedS | Ah, fair enough. I'll maintain my enforced distance from anything to do with UI design :) | 17:08 |
| AlanBell | just installed couchdb, might prototype something later | 17:08 |
| BigRedS | Actually, that's a lie. I intend to spend this evening interfering with somebody else's JS... | 17:08 |
| * AlanBell hugs apt-get | 17:08 | |
| daubers | Hooray! Something small to cheer me up, off to look at a kitten this evening | 17:30 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm | ||
| brianb | hi need some help with getting flash player working in both firefox and google chrome on ubuntu 12.04 | 17:42 |
| AlanBell | hi brianb | 17:43 |
| AlanBell | !flash | 17:43 |
| lubotu3 | To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash | 17:43 |
| brianb | i have flash installed well according to google chrome but it will not load | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | chrome is a bit different as flash is built in to that | 17:46 |
| brianb | if i type chrome://plugins and expand the details i can see Adobe Flash player with the corresponding version and its enabled | 17:48 |
| brianb | but when i try and stream say bbc live news all i get is flash player is not loaded | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | Flash - Version: 11.2 r202 | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | that version? | 17:49 |
| brianb | yes | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | dunno if it will help, but you could try closing all chrome windows, then running it from a terminal and seeing if there is any informative output when you view flash sites | 17:50 |
| brianb | its the same version as used in firefox | 17:51 |
| brianb | i think therev is a compatibility problem with ubuntu | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | works for me | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | in chromium and chrome and firefox | 17:52 |
| brianb | both 10.10 and 12.04 will not play a flash stream | 17:52 |
| AlanBell | I am using 12.10 but I get the same version of flash | 17:52 |
| brianb | well flah works on the same machine when booted to windows xp | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | how did you install flash? | 17:53 |
| AlanBell | via ubuntu-restricted-extras, or the tickbox on the installer or something else? | 17:53 |
| brianb | via the ubuntu site | 17:54 |
| brianb | tick box on the software instaler | 17:54 |
| AlanBell | ok, it should just work then :) | 17:55 |
| AlanBell | in a terminal can you type ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins | 17:55 |
| brianb | ok so if i go into a terminal can i completely uninstall flash and then reinstall | 17:55 |
| AlanBell | and tell me if you see as the first line lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Nov 9 08:23 flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin | 17:55 |
| brianb | yes but the date is 2012-11-26 | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | ok, that doesn't matter | 17:57 |
| brianb | also have some entries for totem | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | you can do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer | 17:58 |
| AlanBell | or sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer | 17:59 |
| MartijnVdS | not purge? | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | that too | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer | 17:59 |
| AlanBell | but I am not really expecting that to make a heap of difference | 17:59 |
| brianb | have removed the flash as you suggested | 18:00 |
| brianb | looking at the first line it still has the flash plugin | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | you need to restart the browser after installing or removing a plugin | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrome comes with its own copy of flash built in | 18:01 |
| brianb | so having used the remove cmd what should i do next | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Restart your web browser. | 18:02 |
| brianb | chrome:? | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Firefox | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrome has its own flash built in, if that doesn't work, that's very strange | 18:03 |
| AlanBell | chrome should use /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so | 18:04 |
| brianb | well firefox will not display any flash player say on the BBC site | 18:04 |
| brianb | and looking at the plugin tab flash is still there | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: After restarting? You must have some other Flash plugin installed. | 18:05 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: one of the "alternative" Flash replacements | 18:05 |
| brianb | shockwave flash | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: it should list the name of the plugin as "something.so" | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: can you copy that name here? | 18:06 |
| brianb | where in the terminal or looking at the plugin tab on firefox | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | in the Plugins tab | 18:06 |
| MartijnVdS | it has "Shockwave Flash" -> "File: something.so", "Version: etc." | 18:07 |
| brianb | shockwave flash 11.2r202 | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | How did you install Flash initially? | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | Did you restart the browser? | 18:07 |
| brianb | yes started browser | 18:07 |
| MartijnVdS | you closed all Firefox windows? | 18:08 |
| brianb | i guess initally it was installed when ubuntu was installed | 18:08 |
| brianb | can i get rid of flash in chrome and in firfox and then restart again | 18:10 |
| MartijnVdS | uhh | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | you can't get rid of Flash in Chrome | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | because Chrome comes with its own copy of Flash | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | which is not in the same location as the copy Firefox uses | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | they're completely separate | 18:14 |
| brianb | ok so if chrome was uninstalled leaving just firefox then if i can get flash to work in firfox by installing a version that does work then it would suggest that the version built into chrome was at fault | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: No | 18:16 |
| brianb | why | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: The flash that is built into Chrome is completely separate from the one in Firefox | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Firefox can't use the Chrome Flash plugin | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Chrome won't use the other (Firefox) one | 18:17 |
| brianb | so why are both browsers showning the same version plugin | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Because that's the latest version | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | with all security fixes, etc. | 18:18 |
| brianb | well can i drop back to a early version | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | unlikely | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | two copies of the same thing in different places and with different plugin systems | 18:18 |
| brianb | ]why | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | this is really odd | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: That's how Chrome's plugin stuff works | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | well the Pepper ones | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | My Chrome has: | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Shockwave Flash 11.5 r31 | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | my Firefox has: | 18:19 |
| AlanBell | flash always just works now | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | so my Chrome plugin version is newer | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | are you use you're using Chrome, not Chromium? | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | (Chromium doesn't come with Flash) | 18:19 |
| brianb | ok how do i check in the terminal what version chrome | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: in Chrome, go to chrome://plugins/ | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: version of Chrome: chrome://chrome | 18:20 |
| brianb | the installed version is googtle chrome 23.0.1271.64 | 18:21 |
| brianb | Flash is: 11.2 r202 | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: I'm running the beta, so that might be why I have a newer Flash as well | 18:22 |
| brianb | ok so if thee are two different plugins required one for flash and one for mozilla why does mozilla have the same version of flash | 18:23 |
| MartijnVdS | It's not like that | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | Mozilla requires one copy of the Flash plugin, Chrome comes with another (its own) and the systems are not compatible | 18:24 |
| brianb | well what version flash will work with mozilla | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | The one in the package should | 18:25 |
| * MartijnVdS hasn't had Flash problems since.. 9.10 or something? | 18:25 | |
| MartijnVdS | that's Ubuntu 9.10 | 18:26 |
| brianb | ok i have to disappear for a few hours do you have any suggestions? | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: | 18:34 |
| MartijnVdS | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash | 18:34 |
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| kvarley | How is screen brightness controlled? Is it handled by the graphics driver? | 19:26 |
| jacobw | kvarley: usually by the backlight | 19:31 |
| kvarley | jacobw: Yes but what software manages it when you use the function keys? | 19:32 |
| kvarley | I'm afraid that if I upgrade to the latest beta driver I will loose the ability to adjust screen brightness as currently I'm using samsung-tools (a workaround package_ | 19:32 |
| jacobw | kvarley: try it, roll back if it doesn't work :) | 19:40 |
| jacobw | kvarley: i'm fairly confident that there won't be a problem | 19:40 |
| kvarley | jacobw: Hehe, ok. I will try it when I have some free time. Need my laptop tomorrow so will do it after thats done :) thanks for the help | 19:41 |
| davmor2 | night all | 20:10 |
| popey | evening | 20:18 |
| jacobw | evening popey | 20:50 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 21:00 |
| jacobw | o/ | 21:00 |
| bokjhv | Has anyone else's Firefox mucked up with Firefox 17 ? | 21:01 |
| shauno | 17? I'm still on 3.6 | 21:02 |
| bokjhv | oh Ok | 21:02 |
| bokjhv | None of the bookmarks work at all...... | 21:03 |
| jacobw | what does work? | 21:03 |
| bokjhv | hang-on.. | 21:03 |
| bokjhv | nothing just seems to have totally screwed up .. cannot connect anywhere .. and yes I am connected. | 21:04 |
| * bokjhv has friends in low places :) | 21:05 | |
| jacobw | layer 2? | 21:05 |
| AlanBell | bokjhv: anything daft like proxy settings set? | 21:08 |
| AlanBell | or not set, as the case may be | 21:08 |
| bootinfdsds | Woow .. just disconnected for no reason ... ?? | 21:09 |
| bootinfdsds | Hi Alan .. I did reset the router password .. BTW chrome works fine. | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but firefox can have different proxy settings | 21:09 |
| bootinfdsds | I could reinstall firefox ? | 21:09 |
| bootinfdsds | right, dunno.. how to proceed .. | 21:09 |
| jacobw | bootinfdsds: http://173.194.41.78 | 21:12 |
| * AlanBell decides to proceed with a large glass of wine | 21:12 | |
| bootinfdsds | AlanBell, Are you sure it's todo with proxy settings . It's never been an issue before... | 21:13 |
| bootinfdsds | jacobw, OK hang-on. | 21:13 |
| AlanBell | I have no idea what it relates to bootinfdsds, I was kind of expecting you to say "oh, yes oops I had a proxy at work earlier" or "nope, I never go anywhere near a network with a proxy" | 21:13 |
| popey | \o/ wine | 21:13 |
| bootinfdsds | Yeah, I cannot load any webpage at all .. A glass of Merlot sounds nice though. Anyway I guess I'm re-installing firefox, then. | 21:14 |
| jacobw | bootinfdsds: what error do you see? | 21:15 |
| bootinfdsds | jacobw, Just the basic "Firefox can't find the server at uk.finance.yahoo.com." error for my homepage . | 21:15 |
| bootinfdsds | just means nothing is loading. | 21:16 |
| jacobw | bootinfdsds: did you see the same error for my link? | 21:16 |
| bootinfdsds | yep. | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | file-work offline is not ticked is it? | 21:16 |
| bootinfdsds | hang-on | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | though that would give a different error message | 21:17 |
| AlanBell | "Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web." | 21:17 |
| bootinfdsds | no. | 21:17 |
| bootinfdsds | I'm going to bite the hedgehog and re-install. | 21:17 |
| MartijnVdS | poor hedgehog | 21:18 |
| bootinfdsds | always thought it would have been a bettr linux symbol, see. | 21:19 |
| jacobw | bootinfdsds: start firefox with alt+f2 → `firefox -P --no-remote`, make a new profile, and see if you can browse then | 21:20 |
| bootinfdsds | great, I'm getting PM's now from Warisistan .. great. | 21:21 |
| bootinfdsds | OK .. got it back .. checked if all works with this little gem :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GR4Qz3-PNo | 21:26 |
| bootinfdsds | worx good. | 21:26 |
| bootinfdsds | AlanBell, I noticed your lovely clip on Ubuntu TV mailing list .. are you going to the Meeting on the 30th at 6pm UTC ?? | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | oh possibly | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | have the TV team found an OEM or reference platform yet? | 21:29 |
| bootinfdsds | .. I remembered because you were at the Ubuntu TV youtube vid. | 21:29 |
| bootinfdsds | err .. not that I know. | 21:29 |
| bootinfdsds | I thnk everyon's eyes are on the Nexus 7 input atmo. | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | TV isn't the most exciting area for me to participate with tbh | 21:30 |
| AlanBell | I rarely watch TV and I am perfectly happy with sky+ for the stuff I do watch | 21:30 |
| bootinfdsds | Yeah, me too.. but I thnk it is a brill. concept. | 21:31 |
| bootinfdsds | I chucked out my tv in spring .. it bounced. | 21:31 |
| bootinfdsds | Still pay the feckin' license thou ... | 21:32 |
| AlanBell | I know there are lots of people who are keen on TV and games and stuff, which is fine, I am just not that into it, and don't see what it has to do with computing really :) | 21:32 |
| * bootinfdsds has grinted teeth towards BBC-brother | 21:32 | |
| bootinfdsds | It's just a bigger monitor to most people don't you agree ( in concept anyway) ?? | 21:33 |
| bootinfdsds | We have a local TV shop going out of business here. I just thought with the right training that the guy who calls round (cable guy) could be able to fix Ubuntu TV too. ?? | 21:35 |
| AlanBell | well arguably yes it is a 1920x1080 monitor, but I think for most people it is Eastenders and Corrie in a box | 21:36 |
| bootinfdsds | although I imagine that could be done remotely in most cases. | 21:36 |
| bootinfdsds | True, but I'm thinking more Khan Academy .. I think Ubuntu is more of a different UX than Mr Sugar intended the sky-box to be. | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | well if smart TVs get people watching kahn Academy and TED talks then I am all for it! | 21:39 |
| bootinfdsds | If you look at the Xtreamer box , which is basically a load of pre-recorded channels set up on a small atom linux box, you'll see the potential. Just needs less of a $300 price tag. | 21:39 |
| bootinfdsds | TED talks .. seen any good one's recently ? | 21:39 |
| bootinfdsds | Oh, BTW for everyone else out there , I got a full pack of Frosted shredded wheat from Tesco's for 70p today .. Lasting 5 days or so , I'm getting 20 boxes tomorrow to stock up for the winterisation. Just a thought. | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ted.com/talks/jay_bradner_open_source_cancer_research.html | 21:41 |
| bootinfdsds | usu. cost £2 | 21:41 |
| bootinfdsds | opening... | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | that was quite a good one, watched it earlier | 21:42 |
| AlanBell | but they are all awesome | 21:42 |
| bootinfdsds | quite true, alan. | 21:43 |
| shauno | bootinfdsds: we'll heard 'round yours when the zombies come then ;) | 21:43 |
| AlanBell | I need to do more preparation for the zombie apocalypse | 21:43 |
| shauno | just keep track of who else is stocking up. you never know when a frosties cache could come in handy | 21:44 |
| shauno | way I see it, you stockpile, and you're tied down. you know who else is stocked up, and you're mobile with options | 21:46 |
| bootinfdsds | shauno, I'm just waiting for the Zombie Apocolypse I guess .. AlanBell , here my fav. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html | 21:48 |
| bootinfdsds | nice guy from place where Shakespere came from .. where was it again ? | 21:50 |
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| AlanBell | also like the strandbeast one | 21:54 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ted.com/talks/theo_jansen_creates_new_creatures.html | 21:54 |
| bootinfdsds | AlanBell, i had a long hard swmoke about the Ü-TV thingy .. I think Mark's revelation was that more people have TV's than PC-boxes ..and TV's do have CPU's of sorts .. the pacman is going after the chips | 21:55 |
| bootinfdsds | maybe a square peg in a round hole though, I quite agree . | 21:56 |
| shauno | the problem with trying to fix TV for me, is that most my issues with it are too deeply entrenched | 21:58 |
| bootinfdsds | how so ? | 21:59 |
| shauno | most my frustrations boil down to geographic content licensing. so I can't watch a show from 'there' because they only have the rights to show it 'there' | 22:00 |
| bootinfdsds | I can't wait to se the day when we get a USB stick stuck on the front of the Radio Times :) | 22:00 |
| popey | hah, i like that idea | 22:00 |
| bootinfdsds | popey, Yeah what /did/ happen the that Mini-disc (DVD) idea ? | 22:01 |
| shauno | I like the idea of all channels being provided as 'apps' of sorts. and leave free/subscription/in-app purchases down to what suits the provider's model best. | 22:02 |
| bootinfdsds | popey sorry meant to say Mini-DVD ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_disk_storage.svg | 22:03 |
| shauno | abstract out ad-delivery to a third-party, google-ads style, so if I want to watch an american ad-supported network in the UK, the advert provider feeds me british adverts so the american network still gets their pennies per eyeballs | 22:03 |
| popey | I'm happy to work around this crap with VPNs personally | 22:03 |
| popey | I just finally got xbmc working perfectly at home | 22:03 |
| bootinfdsds | shauno, It's just an extra VPN subscription to do all that. usu. £5 a month. | 22:03 |
| shauno | right. so I pay ntl to be able to watch bbc on my tv, and then another provider so I can vpn to watch it on my laptop | 22:04 |
| popey | also usenet | 22:05 |
| bootinfdsds | if it is americae, yes. | 22:05 |
| shauno | pay for netflix, and then pay for a up-based vpn so that it actually has some content | 22:05 |
| shauno | *us-based | 22:05 |
| bootinfdsds | true, quite true. | 22:05 |
| popey | its all very wrong | 22:06 |
| shauno | I end up paying for everything twice. pay once for the content, and then again to unbreak it | 22:06 |
| bootinfdsds | Word is, in the local pub , some guy is making a fortune making people use 'special codes' to get Netflix USA , when in fact it is only VPN he sets up for them. :) | 22:07 |
| shauno | and good luck trying to find a vpn/vps provider in slovakia so my gf can watch tv from home | 22:07 |
| bootinfdsds | Well spotify went web-based after all. | 22:08 |
| bootinfdsds | shauno, You can just steam it with the laptop in front of the tele. can't you ? | 22:08 |
| bootinfdsds | **stream | 22:09 |
| shauno | if I can come up with a slovak IP so it lets me, yeah :) | 22:09 |
| bootinfdsds | just use her's. | 22:09 |
| bootinfdsds | or the bamboo telegraph :) | 22:09 |
| bootinfdsds | Apparently this works ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOuhinyGhrY | 22:13 |
| shauno | it doesn't help that I'm in ireland, so I'm paying in both directions. I don't get iplayer for free with some minor hoops for american content | 22:14 |
| bootinfdsds | Oh OK, your with the right provider thou. NTL is good. | 22:14 |
| shauno | they're less evil than eircom. but phone companies don't tend to set the bar too high for evil. | 22:15 |
| directhex | i dunno, i'm with BT | 22:15 |
| directhex | they're pretty evil | 22:15 |
| directhex | that said, my BT line has worked far better than any previous ISP i've had | 22:15 |
| bootinfdsds | Brilliant BT helpline intro ... http://open.spotify.com/track/14QIAOdHU2moF53egeO6RS | 22:17 |
| directhex | oh, i haven't had to *call* them, thank $deity | 22:18 |
| bootinfdsds | good 4 you . | 22:18 |
| AlanBell | I kind of like plusnet. The line is from BT, and PlusNet are my agent for shouting at BT on my behalf. | 22:18 |
| bootinfdsds | Oh Ok .. sounds good in theory, anyway. | 22:20 |
| bootinfdsds | So is anyone getting a Nexus 7 for christmas this year ? | 22:21 |
| * bootinfdsds has been too naughty :( | 22:21 | |
| bootinfdsds | it was on the linux action show recently. | 22:22 |
| bootinfdsds | Can't wait for birthday in february though >< | 22:23 |
| bootinfdsds | I re-discovered some Ubuntu books on TPB today .. typical naughty stuff as per usual. | 22:25 |
| bootinfdsds | I think oreilly media has a 50 % off sale for pdf's until 6am on Tuesday (Tomorrow). | 22:28 |
| bootinfdsds | probably take debit card, me thinks. | 22:31 |
| bootinfdsds | popey, have you seen any other games other than 'space-suit zero' that are linux-bound on kickstarter recently ?? | 22:32 |
| bootinfdsds | I am slightly dissappointed that there isn't a Raspberry Pi channel on freenode .. or not AFAIK | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | there is7 | 22:36 |
| bootinfdsds | go on .. called. | 22:36 |
| AlanBell | 373 people in #raspberrypi | 22:36 |
| bootinfdsds | checking... | 22:37 |
| bootinfdsds | nothing is coming up .. hang-on. | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | odd, maybe you have to be registered or something | 22:39 |
| AlanBell | bootinfdsds: you typed /join #raspberrypi or similar? | 22:39 |
| bootinfdsds | yeah, that's it. | 22:39 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| AlanBell | !register | 22:40 |
| bootinfdsds | just not registered | 22:40 |
| AlanBell | gah, the bots are offline | 22:40 |
| bootinfdsds | registering ... | 22:40 |
| bootinfdsds | Wow .. just checked my email and I have a message from Stallman .. | 22:44 |
| popey | does it mention parrots? | 22:46 |
| bootinfdsds | no but there's a giraffe in it :) | 22:47 |
| bootinfdsds | popey, did you see my question 15 minutes ago ?? | 22:48 |
| Azelphur | so, I just got the keys to my new flat, anyone good at home automation on a budget? I need to pimp all the things. :D | 22:49 |
| popey | which question bootinfdsds ? | 22:50 |
| bootinfdsds | oooow .. home improvements .. try hue lighting first. | 22:50 |
| bootinfdsds | kickstarter @22:32pm | 22:50 |
| popey | oh, yes, a few | 22:51 |
| bootinfdsds | It'd be nice if you could Google Plus afew for everyone, and you are more of a bettr judge as to whether it'll work on Ubuntu, or not | 22:53 |
| * bootinfdsds 's frosted shredded wheat addiction is cooling off for today, at last | 22:54 | |
| bootinfdsds | OK .. off to beddsie's .. sorry to bore you all. | 23:00 |
| popey | oooh golly | 23:00 |
| popey | shredded wheat | 23:00 |
| popey | not had that for a while | 23:00 |
| * popey sends an email to wifey to enact "shredded wheat" in the next shop | 23:01 | |
| bootinfdsds | popey .. see 21:41pm entry. | 23:01 |
| bootinfdsds | bye | 23:01 |
| popey | ttfn | 23:02 |
| popey | hahah | 23:03 |
| bootinfdsds | popey, no the one about shredded wheat before that ... ok defo off 2 bed now. bye | 23:14 |
| popey | bootinfdsds, yeah, that's what I was laughing at :) | 23:25 |
| czajkowski | popey: it;s gonna end up on your shopping list for saturday! | 23:40 |
| popey | Oh yes, it is! | 23:59 |
| popey | I want some now | 23:59 |
| * popey gets weetabix instead | 23:59 | |
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