=== Experium is now known as FailDrain === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:15] morning [08:25] Meauning [08:56] Morning [08:56] morning [09:07] Morning! [09:23] morning folks! [09:25] * daubers makes the backup mailserver flush it's queues [09:45] Happy Monday! === cking_ is now known as cking [10:07] hmmm, we need a good anacronym for Linux, Nginx, Postgres and Django [10:07] it doesn't have the same ring to is as LAMP [10:07] or I could go with PUND: postgres, ubuntu, nginx and djago [10:08] or should django be replaced with python, which means I could use NUPP as an anacronym [10:09] oh oh oh [10:10] PoNgLiPy [10:13] django counts as python, surely? [10:13] Otherwise lots of lamp would be something like damz, with Debian and Zend [10:16] indeed [10:19] I think polipyng sounds better, now I think about it [10:24] * BigRedS reboots into Roaring [10:24] or raring [10:24] whatever it is [10:24] mrevell: ello ello [10:25] Protip: If there's a [y/n] prompt, read what it's asking *before* hitting 'y'. I was not expecting that reboot [10:26] Hi czajkowski [10:27] mrevell: get sorted with the t-shirts [10:30] heh BigRedS :P [10:34] http://www.ebuyer.com/407451-sandisk-256gb-pulse-ssd-sdssdp-256g-g25 [10:34] getting cheap, these SSDs! [10:38] popey: yeah starting to get to the point I may buy one [10:39] I bought a 125gigger about a year ago [10:39] Tempted by that one in the email this morning [10:39] freaking love it [10:39] I'd like 2 really, but that may be pushing things to far [10:39] I turn on my pc, sit down and it's at the log in prompt [10:45] * diplo would like that :) [10:46] best single upgrade [10:46] I wish it was quite that good, but actually it takes an age to get through the bios [10:46] but after that, it's pretty snappy [10:47] I lift the lid on my laptop and it's at the password prompt ;) [10:48] oh yeah, I do that too on my laptop [10:48] when the next price drop comes around, I might take the ssd out of my desktop, put it in my laptop, and put a larger ssd in the desktop [10:49] 512G should be enough for the OS plus a few games [10:50] yeah, I'm very tempted to go with an SSD on my next machine (a desktop, so I can play games on it without getting burned fingers) [10:51] I love the fact that bioses appear to have not been developed at all in about 20 years [10:51] BigRedS: I thought EFI was effectively a replacement for that [10:51] Mine still takes about 8 seconds, and the one on my 90s thinkpad took about 10 [10:51] dwatkins: yeah [10:51] then again, stuff not changing is often good, as PCs get faster the old stuff loads more quickly [10:51] but between about 1991 and whenever EFI started (this year?) the boot time in a Bios was horrendous [10:52] that tinycore thing took almost exactly zero time to boot [10:52] my netbook boots in 20 seconds, it spends 12 of those seconds in POST [10:52] though, that said, I still keep missing the 'hit for setup' message. Not sure I need faster bioses [10:52] I imagine I can probably improve that by turning off disk detection or something [10:52] BigRedS, bioses *can't* have changed significantly, or they cease to be BIOS [10:53] yeah, should be an "assume nothing has changed" switch [10:53] directhex: now you sound like mjg [10:53] BigRedS, the spec includes, e.g. wait times for drive detection [10:53] yeah, I think that's why the few faster alternatives don't claim to be bioses [10:53] but bios replacements [10:54] * dwatkins bops along to Pendulum [10:55] good morning everyone. [10:56] popey, may be releavant to your interests http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-11-26-mojang-makes-bespoke-minecraft-for-the-scrumptious-raspberry-pi [10:56] yeah :) [10:58] I'm interested to see if they're going to optimise Minecraft for the Pi, as that can only help users with not-so-fast PCs who currently have to put up with it having a very high CPU load. [11:00] its pocket edition, not minecraft proper [11:01] ah ok, same as on mobile [11:03] Morning all [11:03] 3 weeks of emails kinda hurts [11:05] Minecraft for the raspberry pi? But it's in Java! [11:05] oh. pocket version [11:11] also java does run on armel [11:13] hi does is there advice on MP4 and MP3 players compatibility with ubuntu? [11:13] BigRedS: that CPU even has hardware java accelleration [11:13] try cat /proc/cpuinfo on a pi [11:13] xnox: yeah, but it runs away with all your resources on a modern machine... [11:14] I suspect it's a cut down version [11:14] it isn't used for anything, but it does have jazelle support [11:15] would a Philips SA3MXX04WA/02 work with ubuntu? [11:16] dubac0: probably [11:16] dubac0, hard to tell without someone trying it [11:16] it _might_ be a mass storage device, or some odd MTP/PTP thing [11:16] I'd ask the manufacturer :) [11:17] it is likely to be a mass storage device, it isn't new enough to be weird [11:17] dubac0: Sansa Fuse [11:18] dubac0: oh sorry I thought you were after a player [11:18] popey, its and mp3 player [11:19] dubac0: yup, but from the point of view of the computer when you plug it in, it is probably just like a USB thumb drive [11:19] dubac0, i know :) [11:21] ok [11:21] tack === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:51] hello all [12:51] hello MooDoo [12:51] MooDoo: morning me owld mukka [12:52] davmor2: alright geeza, long time nah speak, how's it 'angin? [12:53] MooDoo: still recovering from the email explosion that hit me email inbox after a week off, a week in London and then another week off machine is still currently sorting them :( Flat is still partially upside down but I have a rad in office now woohoo! [12:54] flat? you moved? [12:55] MooDoo: no heating got updated by the council so we had to box everything up, then the week the work was done I was in London on a sprint and then a week off to unpack [12:56] davmor2: good luck then geeza lol [12:57] MooDoo: we are in the upacking and sorting phase at the moment [12:57] davmor2: well glad to see you got your priorities right :D [12:58] MooDoo: oh yes get the machines to do all the work ;) [13:01] :) === issyl0 is now known as Guest33668 === lan3y is now known as Laney [13:12] anyone like the cool name of that tory MP? [13:12] michael fabricant [13:12] sounds like something from terminator or blade runner [13:14] caption anyone? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/news-in-pictures-8026326.html?action=gallery&ino=13 [13:16] "I can't see anything in this costume, can you?" [13:16] (helps to know that 'Aussichtsterrassen' means 'observation terrace') [13:20] mungojerry: and there was me thinking it was something you stuck in your washing machine to soften your washing :D [13:21] i can't see anything but that nice guy from apple said just keep walking straight ahead and we'll find it [13:28] 'move along'? [13:39] I'm after a case for my kindle that means I can chuck it in an overfull bag with reckless abandon and it probably wont break. Any suggestions? [13:39] my wife has a nice cheap padded one [13:40] yeah, I'm pondering those. Or making some crazy wooden box for it [13:40] missis got hers from tesco [13:40] Everything that claims to protect it seems to assume my worry is a scratched screen, not a cracked one [13:41] But my current 'solution' of a tupperware contaier works really well, excpet for being about 12 times thicker than the kindle [13:52] * popey stabs his acer revo [13:54] BigRedS_: I used an old heavy leather diary cover for mine. Worked a treat, until it conked out [14:08] i saw popey on a bbc news article t'other day [14:09] trying to find it again [14:10] why would you subject yourself to such torture *again*? [14:10] * davmor2_ watches popey get catapulted across the room from the electric shock from stabbing said revo [14:12] popey, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20452192 [14:12] is that you? [14:14] mungojerry: That really does look suspiciously like popey...... [14:15] yeah [14:15] more popey than elvis === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [14:20] can't be me, it's public transport [14:23] popey: looks like a London double decker and I know you don't drive to London ;) [14:24] lies [14:24] I love driving in London [14:25] there are popey replicas among us [14:25] I think he's just spreading disinformation [14:25] BEWARE THE POPELICANTS! [14:26] In just 5 years time, 90% of the earths surface will be covered with them! [14:26] * daubers goes to find a tinfoil hat and a shotgun [14:26] yes, it's a weak argument [14:26] \o/ fixed revo [14:26] * popey unstabs it [14:32] popey: reheheally I think you LIE! nobody enjoys driving in London fullstop :P [14:32] i do :) [14:32] always have [14:33] popey: also if you look really carefully you'll notice that the guy in the picture has a horrendous Hawaiian Shirt on under that Coat :D [14:34] * daubers has to go to London tomorrow :( [14:34] Client is somewhere near Kensington, so I think I might accidentally end up in the Science Museum while trying to find Paddington on the way home === Myrtti_ is now known as Myrtti [14:40] daubers: but paddington is really easy to find he is the only bear I know in a duffel coat and trilby hat [14:40] davmor2: Just follow the marmalade paw prints? [14:41] daubers: or set up a sandwich trap === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [15:09] mrevell: have you met the entry requirements for https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical ? [15:09] AlanBell, I suppose i have :) [15:10] :) [15:11] gosh, well congratulations on the new role :) [15:12] what is mrevell doing now? [15:13] Thanks AlanBell :) [15:13] mrevell: is breaking databases now ermmmm promoting I always get them confused ;) [15:13] daubers, I'm Community Manager for EMEA at Basho, the people behind the open source schema-less database Riak. [15:14] davmor2, Helping other people break them :) [15:14] which is like couchdb, except in erlang, like couchdb is [15:14] as far as I can make out [15:14] daubers: you're in london tomorrow, mrevell has an event on in london tomrorow [15:15] czajkowski: I hope to only be in London for precisley 120 minutes, 30 minutes of tubes, 30 minutes of dealing with a customer and 60 minutes of the science museum :) [15:15] (60 minutes too many IMHO) [15:15] bah [15:15] AlanBell, Riak is a key value store and has an emphasis on scalability and availability, which is really quite unlike CouchDB ;) [15:15] heh [15:15] AlanBell, But yeah, same sort of thing … a NoSQL db [15:16] mrevell: So "Big Data" stuffs really then? [15:16] I was doing NoSQL for many years, until it became fashionable [15:16] I'm sure I still have my Lotus Notes client licence somewhere... [15:16] yeah, that was me :) [15:17] I knew Damien Katz a bit [15:18] Erlang seems pretty cool, actually. One of my personal goals for next year is to get Riak into Universe. [15:18] daubers: 60 minutes too many you want to drop the tube and customer bit then? [15:18] davmor2: Exactley [15:19] davmor2: I'm pretty sure remote desktop was invented to help me avoid ever having to go to London [15:19] mrevell, pimped to greater london linux user group? [15:19] daubers: just get yourself a job as night security at the science museum and set up a bunk in the cellar done right? [15:19] popey, Yeah, I sent a mail along earlier at czajkowski's suggestion. [15:20] davmor2: Too much time in London then [15:20] ah, ok [15:21] I've a 'proper' ubuntu 12.10 'server edition' CD from a goodie bag at UDS. IS it probably a LiveCD? [15:21] BigRedS: nope, server isn't [15:22] bah [15:22] * BigRedS has a new coaster [15:22] :) [15:22] ooh, i dont have one of them [15:22] need to update my collection [15:23] do you want this one? I guess you can get hold of them pretty easily [15:25] nah, its okay [15:25] BigRedS: the clue is in the title the desktop ones tend to say desktop ;) [15:25] When launching TF2 via Steam I get the following message in the terminal window - "You appear to have OpenGL 1.4.0, but we need at least 2.0.0!" How can I upgrade my opengl version? [15:26] I'm using fglrx-updates on Ubuntu 12.10. 64bit installation. [15:26] davmor2: yeah, I just wondered if the ones given out were more, er, friendly? [15:31] kvarley: that might be the Opengl supported by your gfx driver rather than the version installed maybe, I could be wrong though [15:32] davmor2: Ah ok. I have no idea how to fix it. Only thing I can think of is trying the beta driver from AMD. But I know if I upgrade to that I can no longer control screen brightness so I don't want to do that if possible. [15:33] kvarley, pastebin the output of glxinfo [15:33] will need to install mesa-utils to get that binary [15:34] gord: mesa-utils wasn't installed, is that bad? [15:34] its normal [15:35] gord: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1389202/ [15:35] gord: "server glx version string: 1.4" means opengl 1.4 ? [15:37] kvarley, your gpu/driver supports gl 4.0. it looks like a bug in valves code in how they look up opengl, tell them to stop being crap [15:38] or send a bug if you can, they probably appreciate that more [15:38] gord: hehe :) thanks for the help [16:15] I keep seeing 'devops' job ads that don't mention any particular language for the 'dev' half. Have I misunderstood what devops is? [16:20] BigRedS: Anything/everything ? [16:20] Pretty much my job is like that [16:29] http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/12/11/26/1410236/ask-mark-shuttleworth-anything [16:30] or just, um, ask Mark anything by emailing him or pinging him on IRC [16:30] I guess this is "ask Mark anything with an audience looking at what you are asking" [16:32] slashdot is the most vocally anti-ubuntu website out there. I can't see this going over to well [16:36] does he normally answer questions emailed at him? If I had a question for him, I'm not sure I'd expect to be able to just email him about it [16:38] AlanBell, it's going where the users are [16:38] if there were any users left looking at /. of course :) [16:39] * AlanBell looks at slashdot still [16:39] BigRedS: sure he does, he is very responsive [16:40] AlanBell: yeah but you got way too much time on your hands ;) [16:40] or just ask him stuff on IRC if you see sabdfl online [16:40] helps if you have something worth asking of course [16:40] davmor2: I just haven't got the hang of reddit [16:41] AlanBell: red....what ;) [16:41] AlanBell: yeah, I don't, but I still wouldn't expect that to be a thing he does. I can see why people don't just email him questions and instead use an 'Ask Mark' session [16:42] Haha, reddit's currently my biggest time sink, I think [16:42] its /. not reddit, the AMA on reddit hasn't happened yet AIUI [16:43] davmor2: indeed, it is a very old fashioned looking web forum thing, with no particular features that make it suitable for real time interaction, but it is surprisingly popular [16:43] Yeah, I just thought the conversation had shifted to reddit [16:43] which is critisism that could also apply to slashdot [16:45] "old fashioned" isn't criticism! [16:45] cf: mailing lists :) [16:46] mailing lists are more suited to real time discussions than web forums [16:46] real time? [16:46] depends on the user [16:46] interactive [16:47] I've seen people send mails to lists and then reply immediately with "bump" to speed up responses [16:47] because they were seen as slow compared to forums [16:47] I have unread marks and don't have to refresh the page to see new stuff inserted into threads [16:47] mailing lists are more threaded than most forums, but other than that the real-timeliness seems about the same [16:47] I am not going to argue with you about lists vs forums [16:47] i hate forums [16:47] but other people like them [16:47] strangely [16:48] I hate forums *and* mailing lists [16:48] yup, forums would be fine if they had unread marks and AJAX insertion of new content [16:48] tbh, I hate email [16:49] On unthreaded forums you can usually go to the first unread message [16:50] but threaded ones tend to not know which bits of the page you've read yet [16:50] one that did it well was b3ta.com. It'd put a little mark next to anything which wasn't there the last time you looked at the page [16:50] exactly, and to get new stuff you have to refresh the page, and it doesn't distinguish between stuff you just read, and the new bits [16:50] \o/ [16:50] i recall this argument some 8 years ago :) [16:51] haha [16:51] yeah, I think the use cases are normally different enough that people who like forums don't want them to be like mailing lists [16:51] AlanBell: to get the new stuff from a mailing list you have to switch to the next message... [16:53] yeah, this is an old argument, I was just hoping that someone would tell me I am an idiot and missed the "turn on unread marks and ajax" button somewhere [16:53] has nobody seriously made a forum which does ajax? [16:54] I'm sure there are a few [16:54] i wrote a screenscraper once which ripped posts from ubuntu forums and put them in a db, so you could then do what you want with them, put them into a news group or mail [16:57] popey: surely you want a forum that uses vim not ajax ;) [16:58] Has planet ubuntu uk been killed off? [16:58] an ajaxy forum would irritate the crap out of me. I already dislike it when Twitter breaks my scroll bar [16:58] i try to force myself to use vim [16:58] yes X3N [16:58] booooo [16:59] like those apple keynotes where the news sites do ajaxy autorefreshy page things [16:59] we should do that ;) [17:00] 'Ajax' doesn't have to mean 'breaks scroll bars' [17:00] yup, like that, but threaded and with context [17:00] that's only when people do it wrong [17:00] it doesn't automatically require infinite scrolling or whatever [17:00] nope, just event based DOM manipulation [17:01] * AlanBell wonders if mrevell knows if riak has callbacks like the couchdb streaming stuff [17:01] something like this would be handy http://guide.couchdb.org/draft/notifications.html [17:03] AlanBell: go to the event and ask the people who would know ;) [17:03] yeah, might do [17:05] mgdm: no, but I assumed that automatically inserting posts in threads would break my scrollbar [17:05] Perhaps it wont - there are many very good reasons I don't do websites, and this may well be one of them :) [17:06] BigRedS: doubt it, much less than inserting a chunk of content at the bottom of the page [17:08] Ah, fair enough. I'll maintain my enforced distance from anything to do with UI design :) [17:08] just installed couchdb, might prototype something later [17:08] Actually, that's a lie. I intend to spend this evening interfering with somebody else's JS... [17:08] * AlanBell hugs apt-get [17:30] Hooray! Something small to cheer me up, off to look at a kitten this evening === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm [17:42] hi need some help with getting flash player working in both firefox and google chrome on ubuntu 12.04 [17:43] hi brianb [17:43] !flash [17:43] To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash [17:44] i have flash installed well according to google chrome but it will not load [17:46] chrome is a bit different as flash is built in to that [17:48] if i type chrome://plugins and expand the details i can see Adobe Flash player with the corresponding version and its enabled [17:49] but when i try and stream say bbc live news all i get is flash player is not loaded [17:49] Flash - Version: 11.2 r202 [17:49] that version? [17:49] yes [17:50] dunno if it will help, but you could try closing all chrome windows, then running it from a terminal and seeing if there is any informative output when you view flash sites [17:51] its the same version as used in firefox [17:51] i think therev is a compatibility problem with ubuntu [17:51] works for me [17:52] in chromium and chrome and firefox [17:52] both 10.10 and 12.04 will not play a flash stream [17:52] I am using 12.10 but I get the same version of flash [17:53] well flah works on the same machine when booted to windows xp [17:53] how did you install flash? [17:53] via ubuntu-restricted-extras, or the tickbox on the installer or something else? [17:54] via the ubuntu site [17:54] tick box on the software instaler [17:55] ok, it should just work then :) [17:55] in a terminal can you type ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [17:55] ok so if i go into a terminal can i completely uninstall flash and then reinstall [17:55] and tell me if you see as the first line lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 Nov 9 08:23 flashplugin-alternative.so -> /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin [17:57] yes but the date is 2012-11-26 [17:57] ok, that doesn't matter [17:58] also have some entries for totem [17:58] you can do sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [17:59] or sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer [17:59] not purge? [17:59] that too [17:59] sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer [17:59] but I am not really expecting that to make a heap of difference [18:00] have removed the flash as you suggested [18:01] looking at the first line it still has the flash plugin [18:01] you need to restart the browser after installing or removing a plugin [18:01] Chrome comes with its own copy of flash built in [18:02] so having used the remove cmd what should i do next [18:02] Restart your web browser. [18:02] chrome:? [18:03] Firefox [18:03] Chrome has its own flash built in, if that doesn't work, that's very strange [18:04] chrome should use /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so [18:04] well firefox will not display any flash player say on the BBC site [18:05] and looking at the plugin tab flash is still there [18:05] brianb: After restarting? You must have some other Flash plugin installed. [18:05] brianb: one of the "alternative" Flash replacements [18:06] shockwave flash [18:06] brianb: it should list the name of the plugin as "something.so" [18:06] brianb: can you copy that name here? [18:06] where in the terminal or looking at the plugin tab on firefox [18:06] in the Plugins tab [18:07] it has "Shockwave Flash" -> "File: something.so", "Version: etc." [18:07] shockwave flash 11.2r202 [18:07] How did you install Flash initially? [18:07] Did you restart the browser? [18:07] yes started browser [18:08] you closed all Firefox windows? [18:08] i guess initally it was installed when ubuntu was installed [18:10] can i get rid of flash in chrome and in firfox and then restart again [18:14] uhh [18:14] you can't get rid of Flash in Chrome [18:14] because Chrome comes with its own copy of Flash [18:14] which is not in the same location as the copy Firefox uses [18:14] they're completely separate [18:16] ok so if chrome was uninstalled leaving just firefox then if i can get flash to work in firfox by installing a version that does work then it would suggest that the version built into chrome was at fault [18:16] brianb: No [18:16] why [18:17] brianb: The flash that is built into Chrome is completely separate from the one in Firefox [18:17] Firefox can't use the Chrome Flash plugin [18:17] Chrome won't use the other (Firefox) one [18:17] so why are both browsers showning the same version plugin [18:18] Because that's the latest version [18:18] with all security fixes, etc. [18:18] well can i drop back to a early version [18:18] unlikely [18:18] two copies of the same thing in different places and with different plugin systems [18:18] ]why [18:18] this is really odd [18:18] AlanBell: That's how Chrome's plugin stuff works [18:18] well the Pepper ones [18:18] My Chrome has: [18:18] Shockwave Flash 11.5 r31 [18:19] my Firefox has: [18:19] flash always just works now [18:19] Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202 [18:19] so my Chrome plugin version is newer [18:19] are you use you're using Chrome, not Chromium? [18:19] (Chromium doesn't come with Flash) [18:19] ok how do i check in the terminal what version chrome [18:20] brianb: in Chrome, go to chrome://plugins/ [18:20] brianb: version of Chrome: chrome://chrome [18:21] the installed version is googtle chrome 23.0.1271.64 [18:22] Flash is: 11.2 r202 [18:22] brianb: I'm running the beta, so that might be why I have a newer Flash as well [18:23] ok so if thee are two different plugins required one for flash and one for mozilla why does mozilla have the same version of flash [18:24] It's not like that [18:24] Mozilla requires one copy of the Flash plugin, Chrome comes with another (its own) and the systems are not compatible [18:24] well what version flash will work with mozilla [18:25] The one in the package should [18:25] * MartijnVdS hasn't had Flash problems since.. 9.10 or something? [18:26] that's Ubuntu 9.10 [18:32] ok i have to disappear for a few hours do you have any suggestions? [18:34] brianb: [18:34] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash === slvr_ is now known as slvr [19:26] How is screen brightness controlled? Is it handled by the graphics driver? [19:31] kvarley: usually by the backlight [19:32] jacobw: Yes but what software manages it when you use the function keys? [19:32] I'm afraid that if I upgrade to the latest beta driver I will loose the ability to adjust screen brightness as currently I'm using samsung-tools (a workaround package_ [19:40] kvarley: try it, roll back if it doesn't work :) [19:40] kvarley: i'm fairly confident that there won't be a problem [19:41] jacobw: Hehe, ok. I will try it when I have some free time. Need my laptop tomorrow so will do it after thats done :) thanks for the help [20:10] night all [20:18] evening [20:50] evening popey [21:00] \o [21:00] o/ [21:01] Has anyone else's Firefox mucked up with Firefox 17 ? [21:02] 17? I'm still on 3.6 [21:02] oh Ok [21:03] None of the bookmarks work at all...... [21:03] what does work? [21:03] hang-on.. [21:04] nothing just seems to have totally screwed up .. cannot connect anywhere .. and yes I am connected. [21:05] * bokjhv has friends in low places :) [21:05] layer 2? [21:08] bokjhv: anything daft like proxy settings set? [21:08] or not set, as the case may be [21:09] Woow .. just disconnected for no reason ... ?? [21:09] Hi Alan .. I did reset the router password .. BTW chrome works fine. [21:09] yeah, but firefox can have different proxy settings [21:09] I could reinstall firefox ? [21:09] right, dunno.. how to proceed .. [21:12] bootinfdsds: http://173.194.41.78 [21:12] * AlanBell decides to proceed with a large glass of wine [21:13] AlanBell, Are you sure it's todo with proxy settings . It's never been an issue before... [21:13] jacobw, OK hang-on. [21:13] I have no idea what it relates to bootinfdsds, I was kind of expecting you to say "oh, yes oops I had a proxy at work earlier" or "nope, I never go anywhere near a network with a proxy" [21:13] \o/ wine [21:14] Yeah, I cannot load any webpage at all .. A glass of Merlot sounds nice though. Anyway I guess I'm re-installing firefox, then. [21:15] bootinfdsds: what error do you see? [21:15] jacobw, Just the basic "Firefox can't find the server at uk.finance.yahoo.com." error for my homepage . [21:16] just means nothing is loading. [21:16] bootinfdsds: did you see the same error for my link? [21:16] yep. [21:16] file-work offline is not ticked is it? [21:16] hang-on [21:17] though that would give a different error message [21:17] "Firefox is currently in offline mode and can't browse the Web." [21:17] no. [21:17] I'm going to bite the hedgehog and re-install. [21:18] poor hedgehog [21:19] always thought it would have been a bettr linux symbol, see. [21:20] bootinfdsds: start firefox with alt+f2 → `firefox -P --no-remote`, make a new profile, and see if you can browse then [21:21] great, I'm getting PM's now from Warisistan .. great. [21:26] OK .. got it back .. checked if all works with this little gem :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GR4Qz3-PNo [21:26] worx good. [21:28] AlanBell, I noticed your lovely clip on Ubuntu TV mailing list .. are you going to the Meeting on the 30th at 6pm UTC ?? [21:28] oh possibly [21:29] have the TV team found an OEM or reference platform yet? [21:29] .. I remembered because you were at the Ubuntu TV youtube vid. [21:29] err .. not that I know. [21:30] I thnk everyon's eyes are on the Nexus 7 input atmo. [21:30] TV isn't the most exciting area for me to participate with tbh [21:30] I rarely watch TV and I am perfectly happy with sky+ for the stuff I do watch [21:31] Yeah, me too.. but I thnk it is a brill. concept. [21:31] I chucked out my tv in spring .. it bounced. [21:32] Still pay the feckin' license thou ... [21:32] I know there are lots of people who are keen on TV and games and stuff, which is fine, I am just not that into it, and don't see what it has to do with computing really :) [21:32] * bootinfdsds has grinted teeth towards BBC-brother [21:33] It's just a bigger monitor to most people don't you agree ( in concept anyway) ?? [21:35] We have a local TV shop going out of business here. I just thought with the right training that the guy who calls round (cable guy) could be able to fix Ubuntu TV too. ?? [21:36] well arguably yes it is a 1920x1080 monitor, but I think for most people it is Eastenders and Corrie in a box [21:36] although I imagine that could be done remotely in most cases. [21:37] True, but I'm thinking more Khan Academy .. I think Ubuntu is more of a different UX than Mr Sugar intended the sky-box to be. [21:39] well if smart TVs get people watching kahn Academy and TED talks then I am all for it! [21:39] If you look at the Xtreamer box , which is basically a load of pre-recorded channels set up on a small atom linux box, you'll see the potential. Just needs less of a $300 price tag. [21:39] TED talks .. seen any good one's recently ? [21:41] Oh, BTW for everyone else out there , I got a full pack of Frosted shredded wheat from Tesco's for 70p today .. Lasting 5 days or so , I'm getting 20 boxes tomorrow to stock up for the winterisation. Just a thought. [21:41] http://www.ted.com/talks/jay_bradner_open_source_cancer_research.html [21:41] usu. cost £2 [21:42] opening... [21:42] that was quite a good one, watched it earlier [21:42] but they are all awesome [21:43] quite true, alan. [21:43] bootinfdsds: we'll heard 'round yours when the zombies come then ;) [21:43] I need to do more preparation for the zombie apocalypse [21:44] just keep track of who else is stocking up. you never know when a frosties cache could come in handy [21:46] way I see it, you stockpile, and you're tied down. you know who else is stocked up, and you're mobile with options [21:48] shauno, I'm just waiting for the Zombie Apocolypse I guess .. AlanBell , here my fav. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ken_robinson_says_schools_kill_creativity.html [21:50] nice guy from place where Shakespere came from .. where was it again ? === hugh is now known as Guest80673 [21:54] also like the strandbeast one [21:54] http://www.ted.com/talks/theo_jansen_creates_new_creatures.html [21:55] AlanBell, i had a long hard swmoke about the Ü-TV thingy .. I think Mark's revelation was that more people have TV's than PC-boxes ..and TV's do have CPU's of sorts .. the pacman is going after the chips [21:56] maybe a square peg in a round hole though, I quite agree . [21:58] the problem with trying to fix TV for me, is that most my issues with it are too deeply entrenched [21:59] how so ? [22:00] most my frustrations boil down to geographic content licensing. so I can't watch a show from 'there' because they only have the rights to show it 'there' [22:00] I can't wait to se the day when we get a USB stick stuck on the front of the Radio Times :) [22:00] hah, i like that idea [22:01] popey, Yeah what /did/ happen the that Mini-disc (DVD) idea ? [22:02] I like the idea of all channels being provided as 'apps' of sorts. and leave free/subscription/in-app purchases down to what suits the provider's model best. [22:03] popey sorry meant to say Mini-DVD ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_disk_storage.svg [22:03] abstract out ad-delivery to a third-party, google-ads style, so if I want to watch an american ad-supported network in the UK, the advert provider feeds me british adverts so the american network still gets their pennies per eyeballs [22:03] I'm happy to work around this crap with VPNs personally [22:03] I just finally got xbmc working perfectly at home [22:03] shauno, It's just an extra VPN subscription to do all that. usu. £5 a month. [22:04] right. so I pay ntl to be able to watch bbc on my tv, and then another provider so I can vpn to watch it on my laptop [22:05] also usenet [22:05] if it is americae, yes. [22:05] pay for netflix, and then pay for a up-based vpn so that it actually has some content [22:05] *us-based [22:05] true, quite true. [22:06] its all very wrong [22:06] I end up paying for everything twice. pay once for the content, and then again to unbreak it [22:07] Word is, in the local pub , some guy is making a fortune making people use 'special codes' to get Netflix USA , when in fact it is only VPN he sets up for them. :) [22:07] and good luck trying to find a vpn/vps provider in slovakia so my gf can watch tv from home [22:08] Well spotify went web-based after all. [22:08] shauno, You can just steam it with the laptop in front of the tele. can't you ? [22:09] **stream [22:09] if I can come up with a slovak IP so it lets me, yeah :) [22:09] just use her's. [22:09] or the bamboo telegraph :) [22:13] Apparently this works ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOuhinyGhrY [22:14] it doesn't help that I'm in ireland, so I'm paying in both directions. I don't get iplayer for free with some minor hoops for american content [22:14] Oh OK, your with the right provider thou. NTL is good. [22:15] they're less evil than eircom. but phone companies don't tend to set the bar too high for evil. [22:15] i dunno, i'm with BT [22:15] they're pretty evil [22:15] that said, my BT line has worked far better than any previous ISP i've had [22:17] Brilliant BT helpline intro ... http://open.spotify.com/track/14QIAOdHU2moF53egeO6RS [22:18] oh, i haven't had to *call* them, thank $deity [22:18] good 4 you . [22:18] I kind of like plusnet. The line is from BT, and PlusNet are my agent for shouting at BT on my behalf. [22:20] Oh Ok .. sounds good in theory, anyway. [22:21] So is anyone getting a Nexus 7 for christmas this year ? [22:21] * bootinfdsds has been too naughty :( [22:22] it was on the linux action show recently. [22:23] Can't wait for birthday in february though >< [22:25] I re-discovered some Ubuntu books on TPB today .. typical naughty stuff as per usual. [22:28] I think oreilly media has a 50 % off sale for pdf's until 6am on Tuesday (Tomorrow). [22:31] probably take debit card, me thinks. [22:32] popey, have you seen any other games other than 'space-suit zero' that are linux-bound on kickstarter recently ?? [22:36] I am slightly dissappointed that there isn't a Raspberry Pi channel on freenode .. or not AFAIK [22:36] there is7 [22:36] go on .. called. [22:36] 373 people in #raspberrypi [22:37] checking... [22:38] nothing is coming up .. hang-on. [22:39] odd, maybe you have to be registered or something [22:39] bootinfdsds: you typed /join #raspberrypi or similar? [22:39] yeah, that's it. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:40] !register [22:40] just not registered [22:40] gah, the bots are offline [22:40] registering ... [22:44] Wow .. just checked my email and I have a message from Stallman .. [22:46] does it mention parrots? [22:47] no but there's a giraffe in it :) [22:48] popey, did you see my question 15 minutes ago ?? [22:49] so, I just got the keys to my new flat, anyone good at home automation on a budget? I need to pimp all the things. :D [22:50] which question bootinfdsds ? [22:50] oooow .. home improvements .. try hue lighting first. [22:50] kickstarter @22:32pm [22:51] oh, yes, a few [22:53] It'd be nice if you could Google Plus afew for everyone, and you are more of a bettr judge as to whether it'll work on Ubuntu, or not [22:54] * bootinfdsds 's frosted shredded wheat addiction is cooling off for today, at last [23:00] OK .. off to beddsie's .. sorry to bore you all. [23:00] oooh golly [23:00] shredded wheat [23:00] not had that for a while [23:01] * popey sends an email to wifey to enact "shredded wheat" in the next shop [23:01] popey .. see 21:41pm entry. [23:01] bye [23:02] ttfn [23:03] hahah [23:14] popey, no the one about shredded wheat before that ... ok defo off 2 bed now. bye [23:25] bootinfdsds, yeah, that's what I was laughing at :) [23:40] popey: it;s gonna end up on your shopping list for saturday! [23:59] Oh yes, it is! [23:59] I want some now [23:59] * popey gets weetabix instead