[00:08] <Jordan_U> What should I do if I throw a regular baseball in the air and rather than coming back down, it simply keeps going up on its own power? What would a chef say if I asked them the same question?
[05:31] <h00k> lots of !es in #ubuntu
[05:38] <h00k> IdleOne: that
[05:38] <h00k> s who I was having issues with earlier
[05:38] <IdleOne> they joined -es now
[05:38] <h00k> they've had warning, and direction to /join #ubuntu-es
[07:42] <jussi01-nom> Hi everyone.
[07:43] <jussi01-nom> I am aware about the server, Im trying to get onto the guy.
[07:43] <Tm_T> oh goody
[09:12] <lhavelund> this is good news.
[09:16] <lhavelund> poor jussi. getting woken up to a dead bot, instantly put in charge of fixing it.
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> lhavelund: Better than a doctor being put in charge of fixing a dead patient.
[09:28] <lhavelund> tonyyarusso: I consider them similar situations.
[13:00] <dontknow> hi
[13:00] <dontknow> i banned from ubuntu and ubuntu offtopics
[13:01] <dontknow> i would like you to reverse it
[13:05] <dontknow> anyone here?
[13:07] <Tm_T> dontknow: hi, do you remember why you were banned?
[13:07] <dontknow> Tm_T: i said ubuntu 12.10 adding spyware and they will not have my root anymore
[13:10] <dontknow> i mentioned couple of times, i was angry
[13:14] <dontknow> Tm_T:?
[13:23] <chu> Hello dontknow
[13:25] <dontknow> chu: hello
[13:26] <dontknow> chu: do you have autority to take ban back?
[13:28] <chu> There are a few things I can comment on right now regarding your position. The first, and possibly the most important, is that there is a guideline for participating in Ubuntu related channels, which I gather you have not read. Corresponding to this guideline is an enforced code of conduct for using these IRC channels.
[13:29] <chu> dontknow: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[13:31] <dontknow> chu: i agree with guidelines
[13:32] <chu> The link to the guidelines above mentions the Ubuntu code of conduct too. Take note that this is taken *very* seriously.
[13:35] <dontknow> chu: i can criticise
[13:35] <chu> Sure, no one said you couldn't.
[13:39] <dontknow> chu: i read the code of conduct
[13:41] <chu> I am reading the log of your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic (on the 24th of September) and to be honest, I fail to see any evidence of you taking this seriously. First and foremost you have failed to acknowledge the topic in the guidelines titled "Language and Subject", so I doubt you have read (nor "agree") with the guidelines. While there's nothing wrong with criticism, the manner you present your criticisms in is incredibly hostile, simply
[13:41] <chu> this means there cannot be any constructive discussion resulting.
[13:42] <dontknow> chu: send me link please
[13:42] <dontknow> with pm
[13:43] <chu> You just told me that you have read (and agree) with the guidelines, but apparently you missed the first paragraph, which says: "Please also be aware that Ubuntu channels are logged"
[13:45] <dontknow> chu: yes. i wanted log link
[13:51] <dontknow> chu: do you take ban back or not?
[13:57] <dontknow> chu: i can't find ubuntu-offtopic logs there http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/23/?C=N;O=D
[13:59] <dontknow> wow! amazing
[14:00] <DJones> Looks like he's lost connection for a bit, give him a bit of time to get reconnected
[14:01] <dontknow> chu: are you there?
[14:01] <chu> Yeah, sorry, internet dropped out.
[14:02] <dontknow> i can't find ubuntu-offtopic logs there http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/09/23/?C=N;O=D
[14:02] <chu> Well here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1391632/
[14:02] <chu> My mistake, I was under the impression that #ubuntu-offtopic was logged. But maybe not officially.
[14:07] <dontknow> chu: lol i read the log, i am behind what i said there. ikonia is overreacted
[14:09] <chu> Your style of communication is not very encouraging - I can completely understand the reason you were banned in the first place. Remember, we want #ubuntu* channels to be _friendly_ places for discussion.
[14:10] <dontknow> chu: i don't attack personally someone
[14:11] <ikonia> it is a waste of time to discuss this with dontknow
[14:11] <ikonia> he is a known troll and trake pride it in
[14:12] <ikonia> I suggest not wasting any more time with dontknow
[14:12] <dontknow> ikonia: who said that?
[14:12] <ikonia> me
[14:13] <dontknow> you are wrong then!
[14:14] <dontknow> when did i become troll? and "known troll" i am wondering
[14:15] <dontknow> ikonia: let's discuss then?
[14:15] <chu> Ok, dontknow I ask that you think about this a bit more and come back in due time, show some evidence you have "matured" (or more, acknowledge the reasons for your ban). I'm not going to lift the bans at this moment.
[14:15] <ikonia> no
[14:16] <dontknow> ikonia: what are the things that you disagree with me?
[14:18] <dontknow> chu: well, i am matured already. tell me what you disagree and lets discuss
[14:18] <ikonia> I don't wish to discuss it further, I've made my point in the logged channel. From that point of view, I'm done
[14:22] <dontknow> ikonia: what line shows your point in that log?
[14:22] <ikonia> I didn't paste a log
[14:22] <ikonia> I gave the channel my opinion.
[14:23] <dontknow> you gave the channel but me?
[14:23] <dontknow> after banning me?
[14:24] <chu> dontknow: I disagree that you have matured enough. I will not discuss this further with you. If you feel that you have been treated wrongly, you can consult the appeal process as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess - But note that taking this later route could potentially do more harm than good in your case, so I strongly suggest just waiting it out and come back in due time.
[14:25] <dontknow> chu: there will be no need for that
[14:58] <ikonia> hello lufu
[17:07] <bazhang> a robin hood of sorts!
[17:09] <Pici> how, what uhh?
[17:19] <ikonia> hello nikolam
[17:20] <nikolam> hello ikonia . Resolving +g on #ubuntu by bazhang  , me not being shutting up instantly on swap file topic.
[17:20] <ikonia> ok, I'll try to look it up, but anything I should know ?
[17:21] <nikolam> ikonia, +q, sorry. I will send you log.
[17:21] <bazhang> nikolam, hi
[17:22] <ikonia> nikolam: no need, bazhang is here
[17:44] <bazhang> now he's joined #xubuntu
[17:44] <knome> who?
[17:44] <Pici> nikolam
[17:44] <knome> ah yes, he's been giving a bit trouble lately
[17:44] <bazhang> he likes to rant about adbuntu/google/privacy
[17:45] <knome> that's not what he's been ranting about in #x
[17:45] <bazhang> heh
[17:45] <knome> he's a "regular"
[18:00] <ikonia> hi nikolam, bazhang is still active
[18:01] <nikolam> ok will come back again. thank you.
[18:01] <ikonia> ?
[18:01] <Pici> nikolam: no. stay.
[18:01] <bazhang> nikolam, hi
[18:01] <nikolam> ok staying. Thanks.
[18:01] <ikonia> no, I mean bazhang is active so you can resolve your mute with him
[18:01] <nikolam> hi bazhang
[18:02] <bazhang> nikolam, I need you to read the channel guidelines and the code of conduct for Ubuntu channels
[18:03] <bazhang> !guidelines | nikolam
[18:03] <bazhang> !coc | nikolam
[18:05] <nikolam> i did not know about no away messages. thats new to me. ok.
[18:06] <bazhang> nikolam, just to be clear: #ubuntu is support only. not for complaints about privacy/google/amazon
[18:06] <nikolam> there is also reporters guide.
[18:06] <nikolam> supporters. sorry
[18:07] <nikolam> bazhang, so you think that responding to complaints is nont support itself
[18:08] <bazhang> nikolam, and when asked to move to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel /stay on topic, then one does that
[18:08] <IdleOne> #ubuntu is not the channel to make complaints in, responding to them is just as off topic.
[18:08] <nikolam> bazhang, I know, was not asked lately.
[18:09] <bazhang> nikolam, sure you were. thats one of the reasons for the +q
[18:09] <nikolam> Aha I see IdleOne . But does "ubuntu make unwanted connections
[18:09] <nikolam> classify as complaint / bug or technical issue.
[18:09] <nikolam> ok
[18:10] <nikolam> Hm complaints can then be channeled to bug reports?
[18:11] <nikolam> I think I signed CoC about 6 or more years ago. I hope things are not changed too much since.
[18:11] <AlanBell> nikolam: specifically bug 1054776
[18:13] <AlanBell> we tend to prefer people to add comments to bug reports when they have additional useful information to contribute to a solution, such as a patch or steps to reproduce the issue
[18:13] <nikolam> aha I see. maybe issue is just too big, bug adding to bug is best way to have them in place, Yes.
[18:14] <AlanBell> what you can certainly do is click the green text at the top and mark it as affecting you too
[18:14] <nikolam> uh, just reading that bug report makes me.. frighted. That is F from FUD
[18:15] <AlanBell> along with the 431 other people who did that. It isn't as if this issue is something that isn't known.
[18:15] <nikolam> AlanBell, of course. uh.
[18:15] <AlanBell> now, is there any other issue we can help you with relevant to this channel?
[18:17] <nikolam> AlanBell, i am re-reading CoC as per bazhang request Atm.
[18:19] <nikolam> I think `be respectfull ` part is very important.
[18:20] <IdleOne> The point of you reading both the guidelines and coc was not to get your opinion on them. We need you to understand them and follow both while in Ubuntu irc channels.
[18:22] <nikolam> ok IdleOne
[18:25] <nikolam> ok bazhang re-read and understand.
[18:29] <nikolam> I now need to go, because I have a date, I got to get part from channel. See you, bazhang
[18:29] <bazhang> ok...
[18:31] <IdleOne> issue resolved.
[18:32] <bazhang> I wonder if he knows that the +q is still there
[18:35] <IdleOne> of course not.
[18:56] <bazhang> * [{xmb}] (~alexmbott@80-218-123-178.dclient.hispeed.ch): fucked microsuxx bot
[18:56] <bazhang> wow annoying
[19:03] <bazhang> he's a better sheller
[20:30] <Pici> thats the best response I've seen for learning that we don't support webmin.
[20:30] <Pici> "woops?"
[21:35] <lhavelund> ghehehe.
[21:35]  * lhavelund hops for a test!
[21:35] <lhavelund> ohoho.
[22:05] <elky> we gave you ops? oh dear
[22:08] <lhavelund> elky: well, december 21st *is* coming up.
[22:36] <elky> oh of course
[22:44] <elky> looks like someone broke the -meeting topic