| popey | i can haz 3 weetabix | 00:01 |
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| * xnox .o0( multi grain cheerios *nom* *nom*) | 00:28 | |
| === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer | ||
| diplo | Morning | 08:51 |
| === d0m is now known as dw4tkins | ||
| daubers_ | Morning | 09:23 |
| === daubers_ is now known as daubers | ||
| theopensourcerer | Yay - we can haz warp drives: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive | 09:24 |
| JamesTait | Morning all! :) | 09:26 |
| Laney | yay | 09:32 |
| Laney | got me OS maps of the lakes | 09:32 |
| Laney | holiday next week \o/ | 09:33 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| popey | i bought some old maps off ebay recently | 09:39 |
| popey | re-prints of ones from the early 1900's | 09:39 |
| gord | google maps through time would be really cool | 09:43 |
| gord | it could even pick up photos from the time period. though i guess the gps tags would be off ;) | 09:43 |
| Laney | popey: I got some of those from Waterstones | 09:44 |
| Laney | they were surprisingly cheap - like 2.50 | 09:44 |
| Laney | it's cool to look at them and try to work out where stuff is | 09:44 |
| einonm | There's a great map shop in Hay on Wye that does nothing but old maps. I think most of them are quite pricey though, probably being originals | 09:47 |
| popey | yeah, i was disappointed when mine arrived because it shows farnborough but not the bit I'm in, on the edge of town :( | 09:48 |
| popey | then about a week later I flipped the map over :D | 09:48 |
| czajkowski | lol | 09:52 |
| Laney | heh | 09:54 |
| Laney | i've got a now/then framed comparison thingy on the wall | 09:54 |
| Laney | http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/framed.asp | 09:55 |
| daubers | "It's a vast featureless desert out there!" "No sir, thats the back of the map" | 09:57 |
| popey | hah | 09:58 |
| daubers | Trip to London rescheduled to Thursday \o/ | 10:04 |
| daubers | I love the unreliability of trains | 10:04 |
| AlanBell | daubers: I might be in London on Thursday | 10:07 |
| daubers | AlanBell: I'll be in Kensington for a few hours in the morning | 10:08 |
| daubers | More importantly.... picking up the little kitten this evening \o/ | 10:17 |
| === buzz_ is now known as exobuzz | ||
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 11:02 |
| bootinfdsds | mornin' terrible night's sleep. | 11:15 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:18 |
| davmor2 | MooDoo: your still here dude | 11:18 |
| bigcalm | popey: what's that random background picker you use? | 11:24 |
| popey | variety | 11:25 |
| bigcalm | In USC? | 11:25 |
| popey | http://launchpad.net/variety | 11:26 |
| popey | https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/variety/ | 11:26 |
| bigcalm | Yep, in USC :) | 11:26 |
| popey | click the link on that page, see what happens :) | 11:26 |
| bigcalm | Thanky | 11:26 |
| davmor2 | popey: I bet it's an arb app that is yet to be updated to Quantal :( | 11:28 |
| popey | yup | 11:29 |
| bigcalm | Humm, doesn't seem to be working with xfce :( | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: are you on quantal? | 11:31 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: no, I'm sticking with LTS on my workstation | 11:31 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: did it install and not run? | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | It installs and runs. But isn't changing my desktop backgrounds | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: what the delay on it or can you trigger it straight away? | 11:33 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: the delay is 5 mins, but you can trigger with a click. No change | 11:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: yet another app that hates you then :P | 11:34 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I think you've been telling people to dev apps that won't work for me :P | 11:34 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: to be fair it might use some gnomey thing to trigger the change which is why it doesn't work it is made for ubuntu after all :D | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | Do you mean unity? | 11:36 |
| bigcalm | Because I'm using xubuntu | 11:36 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no I mean Ubuntu which is unity's desktop name rather that Xubuntu which is the xfce's desktop name :P | 11:37 |
| bigcalm | That's confusing | 11:38 |
| bigcalm | Humm, there is a bug against variety on LP which mentions XFCE and LXDE. So maybe it does work, just not for me | 11:39 |
| bootinfdsds | Has anyone seen any kickstarter.com/ games that can be used on Ubuntu lately ?? | 11:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Ubuntu cd's have the unity desktop, Xubuntu cd's have the xfce desktop it is fairly simply really | 11:42 |
| popey | bootinfdsds, ones that are complete or ones that are currently under development? | 11:43 |
| bootinfdsds | Oh hi popey, the one's that you want to see funded most. | 11:43 |
| bootinfdsds | under devel. | 11:43 |
| popey | dunno, directhex probably has a better knowledge of them | 11:44 |
| === Johnswing is now known as Jswing | ||
| popey | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous is popular | 11:44 |
| bootinfdsds | does he ? directhex ? | 11:44 |
| popey | not even half way | 11:44 |
| bootinfdsds | opening... | 11:44 |
| directhex | hm? | 11:44 |
| einonm | ..but elite-dangerous is PC only, with some vague promise of other platforms if it goes over the target. That was most annoying to find out. | 11:45 |
| popey | yeah | 11:45 |
| bootinfdsds | true | 11:45 |
| bootinfdsds | any linux definately .. games ? | 11:45 |
| BigRedS | einonm: where "PC" = "Windows"? | 11:46 |
| Ng | popey: I do hope that Elite's target is attainable | 11:47 |
| popey | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstarterGames | 11:47 |
| einonm | BigRedS: I assume, as it is the common parlance for the term | 11:47 |
| Ng | I want to play that game! | 11:47 |
| popey | someone has made a list! | 11:47 |
| davmor2 | bootinfdsds: broken sword when it is released | 11:47 |
| bootinfdsds | Awesome popey ! thanx. have to say Interstellar Marines: Prologue has no chance ! | 11:48 |
| bigcalm | Installing from LP worked | 11:50 |
| bigcalm | Silly USC | 11:50 |
| bigcalm | We're still waiting for Vessel :( | 11:51 |
| bigcalm | Variety also only changes the bg of one of my screens | 11:54 |
| popey | you have a silly x setup tho :) | 11:54 |
| bigcalm | Humf. I have a reasonable set-up for a developer ;) | 11:55 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no you don't :P | 11:56 |
| einonm | surely proper developers don't use X? | 11:56 |
| bigcalm | Ug, here we go :) | 11:56 |
| bootinfdsds | Sir, You Are Being Hunted looks awesome .. from Bath no less ! | 11:57 |
| bootinfdsds | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499900830/sir-you-are-being-hunted | 11:57 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: you started it | 11:57 |
| bigcalm | This looked like a possibility for my need of a touch screen, annoyed that it's out of stock. http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624 | 11:59 |
| bigcalm | I now have it working for all 3 monitors :D | 12:16 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: is Alex joining us on Thursday? | 12:16 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no word from him and he isn't on irc currently well at least not in the rooms I'm in | 12:17 |
| bigcalm | Ok. Might find out tomorrow evening then | 12:17 |
| bootinfdsds | davmor2, Just looking at Sword Of Justice , yeah, what was that all about ? http://goo.gl/zzxSq | 12:40 |
| davmor2 | bootinfdsds: I have no idea I pointed you so broken sword but there kickstart is over and more than sucessful | 12:42 |
| bootinfdsds | no probs. | 12:42 |
| bootinfdsds | guess some people just use kickstarter toi make a quick buck, or try to. | 12:43 |
| === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum | ||
| andylockran | exit | 13:36 |
| andylockran | oosp | 13:36 |
| andylockran | trying to close too many windows | 13:36 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: and then there were 3 | 13:48 |
| BigRedS | andylockran: ctrl+d :) | 14:00 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: aye, saw the tweet. Glad that it hasn't died a complete death | 14:11 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: going by the lug ml, there will be a mob of 17 hungry curry eaters. I do hope Ron's reservation can cope | 14:12 |
| andylockran | merci | 14:29 |
| BigRedS | popey: are you running raring on your thinkpad? Mine keeps shutting down claiming CPU overheating, and I'm wondering whether it's a power issue in the kernel or I need to take a hoover to its innerds... | 16:02 |
| popey | BigRedS, 12.04 | 16:03 |
| popey | i get it on 12.04 too | 16:03 |
| BigRedS | Ahh | 16:03 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1391971/ | 16:03 |
| BigRedS | eesh | 16:03 |
| BigRedS | yeah | 16:03 |
| popey | thats not overheat | 16:04 |
| popey | Package power limit notification | 16:04 |
| popey | Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled that is | 16:04 |
| popey | AIUI | 16:04 |
| BigRedS | No, I've not checked any logs yet - I upgraded yesterday and I've only tried to use it today and it's off now. | 16:04 |
| popey | alan@deep-thought:~$ dmesg | grep -c temperature\ above | 16:05 |
| popey | 10 | 16:05 |
| popey | not often | 16:05 |
| popey | 16:05:10 up 7 days, 7:48, 4 users, load average: 0.93, 0.76, 0.78 | 16:05 |
| popey | probably when playing minecraft :D | 16:05 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I suppose I'll have a fiddle this eve when I'm not trying to do work... | 16:06 |
| BigRedS | Hm, thinking about it, I had this briefly with 12.04 too | 16:10 |
| BigRedS | but then the disk failed and I replaced it and stuck 12.10 on it | 16:10 |
| brianb | does anyone know the reason why both Firefox and Google Chrome (inc Chromium) fail to load and display adobe flash content on web pages in ubuntu 12.04? | 16:46 |
| brianb | Also is both Firefox and google Chrome running in protected mode via the sandbox mechanism - which could be the reason why both browsers fail to play out a flash website content? | 16:49 |
| * czajkowski tickles popey | 17:02 | |
| daftykins | :o | 17:04 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: no, that's not it | 17:06 |
| MartijnVdS | brianb: because it works for a lot of people | 17:06 |
| directhex | less than an hour on the steam sale | 17:10 |
| BigRedS | I keep seeing your recommendations when I'm not in a good place to act upon them | 17:12 |
| BigRedS | I did try to buy Serious Sam, but apparently I've already got it. Does that come with the beta? | 17:12 |
| brianb | well explain why chrome will not load shockwave flashplug in then | 17:15 |
| BigRedS | fancy starting it in a terminal and pastebinning what it outputs? | 17:16 |
| BigRedS | or should we just divine the reason? | 17:17 |
| popey | brianb, got a specific example of flash content? e.g. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ | 17:18 |
| popey | if you have flash installed, that page will tell you | 17:18 |
| popey | e.g. for me it says "You have version 11,2,202,251 installed" | 17:18 |
| brianb | clearly the error message displayed in the chrome browser says its not loading hence if i could load it manually then that would help with whats causing the issue | 17:19 |
| brianb | the content is the any BBC media - i.e. BBC radio 2 will not play, BBC new Live no sound or video | 17:20 |
| brianb | if i go to chrome://plugins and expand details the version for Chrome is 11.2 r202 | 17:21 |
| brianb | the same version also for firefox | 17:22 |
| popey | brianb, what does http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ give you? | 17:22 |
| popey | in chrome I get "You have version 11,5,31,2 installed" | 17:22 |
| brianb | in Chrome it displays the web page with no flash content - top line after the address bar the following message - could not load shockwave flash | 17:24 |
| popey | brianb, has it ever worked on that machine? | 17:24 |
| brianb | not on the latest version of ubuntu from 10.10 or 12.04 it has worked with older versions of ubuntu | 17:25 |
| brianb | it works on windows on the same machine | 17:26 |
| brianb | the machine has multi boot | 17:26 |
| brianb | and i have some space to instal other linux distos | 17:27 |
| popey | is it a 64-bit install of ubuntu? | 17:27 |
| brianb | 32 bit i belive | 17:27 |
| brianb | how can i check in termal | 17:28 |
| popey | uname -a | 17:28 |
| popey | does it mention i686 or x86_64 ? | 17:28 |
| brianb | no is returns i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux | 17:30 |
| brianb | 3.2.0-33 generic pae 52-Ubuntu | 17:32 |
| AlanBell | it mentions i686 then :) you have a 32 bit install | 17:32 |
| brianb | yes | 17:32 |
| popey | ok | 17:33 |
| brianb | i dont download x64 only have one machine that is 64bit | 17:33 |
| popey | thats fine, just checking what it was installed | 17:33 |
| popey | brianb, in chrome, click the button in the top right corner, click 'about google chrome', what version does it display? mine is "Version 23.0.1271.64" | 17:34 |
| brianb | see i think for whatever reason because its not loading shockwave flash thats the problem which is related to both browser | 17:34 |
| popey | chrome and firefox don't share the same flash, which makes this very odd | 17:35 |
| brianb | version 23.0.1271.91 | 17:36 |
| * popey updates his chrome | 17:37 | |
| Azelphur | I just feel like mentioning that I officially want to stab Santander in the face | 17:38 |
| Azelphur | tis the season to be randomly freezing my bank account every 5 minutes \o/ | 17:38 |
| daftykins | \o/ | 17:38 |
| daftykins | good times | 17:38 |
| brianb | ok so when you access a web site with flash content there must be a trigger that launches a file to activate the flash plug in | 17:38 |
| Azelphur | indeed | 17:38 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: fala-lalala-lala-la-la indeed. | 17:38 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: I filed a complaint, they sent me a text to say the complaint was registered, then 5 minutes later another one saying the complaint had been closed. | 17:39 |
| Azelphur | :@ | 17:39 |
| daftykins | :o | 17:39 |
| daftykins | with no action taken? just ignored | 17:39 |
| Azelphur | seems so, yes. | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | brianb: sure, the browser loads the plugin, and the chrome method for doing so is entirely different to the firefox method | 17:39 |
| davmor2 | daftykins: Oi no! none of that till the first sighting of the coke advert happens | 17:39 |
| AlanBell | brianb: did you try starting chrome from a terminal to see if it outputs anything interesting when it tries to load a flash object? | 17:40 |
| popey | ok, updated to same version of chrome as brianb and it still works here | 17:40 |
| daftykins | davmor2: sorry. it was in a sarcastic 'santander, you suck' way at least... | 17:40 |
| Azelphur | haha | 17:40 |
| brianb | yeah but within the sandbox mechanism is this which implements flash plugin? | 17:40 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: does it stop web login and your cards too? | 17:41 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: it lets me login to the web, it completely freezes my card. | 17:41 |
| popey | brianb, have you actively enabled anything in chrome which might disable flash? | 17:42 |
| brianb | soso how do i launch chrome from the terminal | 17:42 |
| Azelphur | even for 100% reputable stuff, like I can't use my debit card to pay off the balance on my credit card to use that instead *bangs head against wall* | 17:42 |
| popey | brianb, open a terminal and type "google-chrome" | 17:42 |
| AlanBell | brianb: to launch chrome from the terminal first close every single chrome window and type google-chrome to restart it | 17:42 |
| brianb | i take it you mean all tabs | 17:43 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: doh! i'm juggling some money around atm ahead of a house purchase, hopefully won't get any surprises :S | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | I mean close chrome altogether | 17:44 |
| AlanBell | so don't leave one chrome window on a different workspace running or something like that | 17:44 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: fun, I juggle BTC, so every time they do this and freeze my account like this I lose money, this one cost me ~£30 -.- | 17:44 |
| daftykins | every tab, every window | 17:44 |
| daftykins | BTC? | 17:45 |
| Azelphur | http://www.weusecoins.com/ | 17:45 |
| popey | killall chrome | 17:45 |
| popey | :) | 17:45 |
| brianb | ok at present i have multiple tabs so if i close chrome all tabs will close then go to the terminal and launch chrome from there | 17:45 |
| daftykins | oh that jazz | 17:45 |
| daftykins | is there actually any point to that? | 17:45 |
| AlanBell | brianb: sure, that is fine, just close chrome | 17:45 |
| brianb | i have done that and all tabs reopen | 17:45 |
| einonm | Ooh, Jonathan Corbet has just reviewed ubuntu on the Nexus7, on LWN | 17:46 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: instant transaction feeless anonymous decentralised currency? ...yes? | 17:46 |
| AlanBell | brianb: fine, now go to a flash website, and look at the terminal, is anything interesting output there? | 17:46 |
| daftykins | what situations does that ever help in though? i've never read up about it | 17:46 |
| Azelphur | ain't no banks freezing my bitcoin wallet xD | 17:46 |
| daftykins | only seen the name get thrown around IRC a lot | 17:46 |
| brianb | and still get the message - could not load shockwave flash | 17:46 |
| AlanBell | brianb: in the terminal window, is there any text? | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream | 17:47 |
| AlanBell | for example? | 17:47 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: it's extremely cheap to send money abroad using it, usually you'd have to go through western union or something which would charge you like $10, with bitcoin, USA is the same as EU pretty much. | 17:47 |
| Azelphur | It's also a worldwide currency, so no currency exchange fees either | 17:47 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: ah ok. don't think i'd ever benefit then really | 17:47 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: it's also really cool, open source money, :D | 17:48 |
| brianb | well have to look at terminal | 17:48 |
| Azelphur | daftykins: but yea, I buy bulk chunks from miners at a low price, then sell on to people (usually via UK bank transfer) and flip a little profit in the process :D | 17:48 |
| brianb | what sort of thing am i looking for in the terminal | 17:48 |
| daftykins | Azelphur: how sneaky :o | 17:49 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 17:49 |
| AlanBell | brianb: any text following your google-chrome command | 17:50 |
| Azelphur | I wouldn't say sneaky, I don't lie about what I'm doing, most of the miners/big traders arn't interested in dealing with amounts below £500 | 17:50 |
| * dwatkins heads home whilst it's still above freezing | 17:51 | |
| brianb | right i have an ERROR:webplugin_delegate_proxy.cc(407) | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | oooh | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | that is interesting | 17:51 |
| brianb | pluginMsg_Init returned false | 17:52 |
| brianb | Could't initalize plug-in | 17:53 |
| brianb | HTTP request sent, awaiting response ..... 200 OK | 17:53 |
| directhex | BigRedS, you know you can buy games from the android/ios app, right? or any web browser | 17:53 |
| daftykins | as long as you wade through the tedious device authentication, so you can get to your named email account | 17:54 |
| brianb | so it looks like the plugin is not being Initialized | 17:54 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but now we have a more informative error message (slightly) | 17:56 |
| daftykins | nuke it and start again? :) | 17:56 |
| directhex | by "any web browser" i mean "not mobile IE, since the steamguard auth popup doesn't render properly in it" | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | brianb: can you close chrome then run | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | google-chrome --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash | 17:57 |
| AlanBell | and see if that makes any difference at all | 17:58 |
| brianb | can hold one sec - i am loging into xchat on the machine runing 12.04 with the problem so i can copy and past the term message if you want | 17:58 |
| brianb | would you like me to open up a personal channel so i can past the terminal msg? | 18:00 |
| jacobw | use pastebin | 18:00 |
| jacobw | !paste | 18:00 |
| jacobw | !pastebin | 18:00 |
| brianb | i dont know about pastbin | 18:00 |
| jacobw | http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | 18:01 |
| jacobw | brianb: you can upload any peice of text and get a link back to it that you can give to people | 18:01 |
| * jacobw hunts and kills to absent bot | 18:01 | |
| brianb | ok i think i have copy and pasted the error to paste bin | 18:03 |
| daftykins | now paste the page link in here | 18:03 |
| brianb | paste.ubuntu.com/1392296/ | 18:04 |
| brianb | right now going to close chrome and relaunch in terminal using the disable command | 18:08 |
| brianb | have pasted the msg which is returned after --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash | 18:13 |
| brianb | paste.ubuntu.com/1392329/ | 18:14 |
| brianb | so in each case it would appear that the ERROR is related to not being able to initialize the plug in | 18:15 |
| popey | thats sending a crashdump to google | 18:15 |
| brianb | what does that mean | 18:16 |
| popey | well, not really directly related to your flash issue | 18:16 |
| popey | but chrome is sending crash data to google HQ for them to analyse | 18:16 |
| brianb | so what will be the outcome from that if any? | 18:17 |
| popey | none directly | 18:17 |
| brianb | so really no further advance on the issue then? | 18:18 |
| popey | no | 18:18 |
| brianb | guess if Firefox was lanuched from the terminal then it would also generate a crash report as well | 18:19 |
| popey | nope | 18:19 |
| brianb | would any information be gleaned by launching firefox from a terminal | 18:20 |
| popey | it might, yes | 18:20 |
| popey | you could try firefox with a new clean profile too | 18:20 |
| brianb | shall i try it | 18:20 |
| popey | but one thing at a time | 18:20 |
| brianb | ok give me directions | 18:21 |
| popey | firefox -CreateProfile "test" | 18:22 |
| popey | firefox -profile "test" | 18:22 |
| popey | the second command will launch a clean firefox | 18:22 |
| popey | then visit the adobe page given previously http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ | 18:23 |
| brianb | thiok have done that | 18:25 |
| brianb | so do i tye in the HTTP address in the new tab address bar or from the terminal? | 18:26 |
| popey | address bar | 18:26 |
| brianb | ok done that | 18:27 |
| popey | does flash load? | 18:27 |
| brianb | no but the web page displays information on downloading flash player it appears to be a different page to when i opened it up in chrome | 18:28 |
| popey | it will be | 18:28 |
| popey | okay, close firefox | 18:28 |
| popey | do this in a terminal:- | 18:28 |
| popey | sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer | 18:29 |
| popey | and copy/paste what appears to pastebin please | 18:29 |
| brianb | there is no extra information in the terminal | 18:29 |
| popey | ok. thanks | 18:29 |
| daftykins | xbox dashboard update 0o | 18:31 |
| brianb | when the terminal has completed its script you want me to open up a browser and paste the contents into pastebin yes | 18:32 |
| popey | yes please | 18:32 |
| brianb | paste.ubuntu.com/1392404/ | 18:34 |
| popey | brianb, now try firefox again? | 18:35 |
| brianb | have done still no flash content | 18:36 |
| nanas | i'm installing ubuntu on toshiba laptop; got an error message and followed instructions here: | 18:36 |
| nanas | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair | 18:36 |
| nanas | ubuntu is still not booting so next step is to paste here the last message given by repair program: | 18:37 |
| nanas | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392367/ | 18:37 |
| nanas | when i try to boot message is: the disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present | 18:38 |
| popey | thats just a warning | 18:38 |
| popey | if you wait it usually passes | 18:38 |
| nanas | been there for about 10 minutes | 18:39 |
| popey | brianb, hmm, chrisccoulson you about? any suggestion why someone can't view flash content in either chrome or ff on a machine? | 18:39 |
| daftykins | popey: since that flash installer reinstalled from cache and the plugin from /tmp is it worth knocking those two out and retrying? | 18:40 |
| popey | nah | 18:41 |
| popey | the flashplugin itself didnt come from cache | 18:41 |
| daftykins | ah | 18:41 |
| daftykins | what's "Installing from local file /tmp/tmpa0_c6j.gz" ? | 18:42 |
| popey | look at the line above | 18:43 |
| popey | it downloads from the web to /tmp | 18:43 |
| daftykins | ah, i was expecting to see that older style line by line progress, guess that's changed | 18:44 |
| daftykins | i figured that was overriding the line above, nm | 18:44 |
| brianb | i have three folders in usr/lib folder for firefox, folder for firefox-addons and folder flashplugin-installer | 18:44 |
| brianb | so i think the flashplugin-installer is maybe used for chrome | 18:46 |
| popey | no, it is not | 18:46 |
| brianb | ok | 18:46 |
| popey | chrome has its own built-in flash plugin | 18:46 |
| popey | which lives in /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so for me | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | to be precise /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so | 18:47 |
| daftykins | heh | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | snap | 18:47 |
| BigRedS | directhex: yeah, it's card deails I keep misplacing | 18:49 |
| popey | I'd love to have a poke around on your system brianb to understand how this is broken :( | 18:50 |
| popey | i wonder if the magic command will fix it :) | 18:50 |
| popey | brianb, in a terminal can you do this:- | 18:50 |
| popey | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ | 18:50 |
| popey | note the caret on the end is important | 18:50 |
| popey | run that and tell me if it wants to install any missing packages? | 18:51 |
| daftykins | hmm what does the circumflex do? | 18:51 |
| brianb | what the magic co | 18:51 |
| brianb | where will i find the caret | 18:52 |
| brianb | found it | 18:52 |
| popey | it installs the task, which will pull in anything missing | 18:53 |
| brianb | ok after going through a long list it ask that linix headers to be installed | 18:54 |
| brianb | do i install them? | 18:54 |
| daftykins | how is that different to the meta package? | 18:55 |
| popey | brianb, :( | 18:55 |
| popey | thats probably not going to fix it, no | 18:55 |
| popey | daftykins, installing the metapackage won't pull in all the dependents | 18:55 |
| daftykins | oh right | 18:56 |
| brianb | i tell you what i need to take a break for a few hours so when you said you like to look at my machine you could do that remotely yes | 18:57 |
| popey | ok, maybe later :) | 18:57 |
| brianb | so if you want to then have to set it up | 18:58 |
| brianb | its mainly used to try out various distros | 18:58 |
| brianb | but its a very intresting problem | 18:58 |
| brianb | its just bugging me why it wont work with adobe flash | 19:00 |
| popey | me too | 19:02 |
| brianb | i guess thats why Apple dont like flash | 19:02 |
| popey | there are many good reasons to not like flash | 19:02 |
| daftykins | i'd create another user account for a laugh | 19:02 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| brianb | well i must go be back around 8pm if you want to play around on the machine | 19:05 |
| popey | ok see you brianb | 19:06 |
| brianb | can you let me know if thats ok | 19:06 |
| popey | will do | 19:06 |
| brianb | cool | 19:06 |
| popey | need to put kids to bed and make food | 19:06 |
| brianb | see you at 8 | 19:07 |
| AlanBell | my brown Jaunty Tshirt has been cut up into rags to make a "boy villager" costume | 19:29 |
| popey | i dont think i ever got a jaunty one | 19:33 |
| popey | oh. yes i did | 19:33 |
| popey | _that_ one | 19:33 |
| popey | http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=490 | 19:33 |
| Daviey | i got that, but i didn't buy it... | 19:37 |
| Daviey | where would i have got it from? | 19:38 |
| Daviey | it's not a UDS one.. | 19:38 |
| Daviey | The jaunty UDS t-shirt was the 'sports shirt'.. that i hated. :) | 19:39 |
| jacobw | homeland \o/ | 19:42 |
| daftykins | it's certainly no fun rocking outdated shirts | 19:45 |
| daftykins | my firefox 3 shirt looks a bit ancient now | 19:45 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that one, the tour dates tshirt | 19:49 |
| * popey finally goes to make food | 20:12 | |
| brianb | popey let me know when your free | 20:29 |
| popey | yo | 20:30 |
| popey | dinner in oven | 20:30 |
| popey | so anytime :) | 20:30 |
| brianb | ok | 20:30 |
| brianb | well what to do first then | 20:30 |
| popey | I'll write up some notes | 20:30 |
| popey | one mo | 20:30 |
| brianb | do you want me to create a new account? | 20:31 |
| popey | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392735/ | 20:40 |
| popey | someone want to review those instructions? | 20:41 |
| daubers | popey: Looks ok | 20:43 |
| popey | brianb, ^^ see that paste, those are the "how to let alan look at my machine" settings | 20:45 |
| brianb | ok have opened up the paste bin as see the instuctions | 20:48 |
| brianb | so will follow the instructions and will type in here when ready ok | 20:48 |
| daubers | Ooof! | 20:53 |
| brianb | when i visit the launchpad do i do thid in the terminal or in firefox? | 20:53 |
| daubers | Seriously skype? You want 146MB of stuff to work? | 20:54 |
| popey | brianb, que? | 20:54 |
| popey | daubers, 146MB of 32-bit goodness on a 64-bit box? | 20:54 |
| daubers | popey: Unfortunatley so | 20:55 |
| popey | so that lot wont even get re-used by anything else really | 20:55 |
| daubers | Probably not :( | 20:55 |
| brianb | point 2 on the list the sshkeys | 20:55 |
| daubers | Stupid 32 bit only binary things | 20:56 |
| popey | brianb, you can kinda omit visiting launchpad as I copy pasted the contents immediate below.. the line starting "ssh-rsa..." | 20:56 |
| popey | thats the bit that you need for step 4 | 20:56 |
| andylockran-ipad | Hey | 20:57 |
| andylockran-ipad | Phew. Hassle setting up irc on the ipad | 20:57 |
| andylockran-ipad | Fancy a nexus 7 for Xmas | 20:57 |
| brobostigon | the graphics is amazing, compared to what i seen before. on the nexus7. | 20:58 |
| andylockran-ipad | Yeah a friend showed me one at the weekend | 20:59 |
| brianb | after i enter alans password it asks me to enter a new value followed by full name [] ? | 20:59 |
| popey | my name is "Alan Pope" if you want to, you can enter that | 21:00 |
| brianb | room number? | 21:01 |
| popey | just press enter for the others | 21:01 |
| popey | or make stuff up about me :) | 21:01 |
| brianb | right done that | 21:01 |
| brianb | now i do point 3 | 21:01 |
| brianb | so i now create the directorys | 21:04 |
| popey | sudo mkdir /home/alan/.ssh | 21:05 |
| popey | its the next line | 21:05 |
| popey | sorry, i should have been more clear there | 21:05 |
| brianb | yes | 21:05 |
| popey | just type that | 21:05 |
| brianb | what about the ssh key | 21:05 |
| popey | sudo nano /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys | 21:06 |
| popey | a text editor will appear | 21:06 |
| popey | paste the bit on line 11 into it | 21:06 |
| brianb | i cant see a txt e ok have pasted the ssh key in the directoy | 21:10 |
| popey | in step 5, just paste the 3 lines in | 21:11 |
| popey | to the terminal | 21:11 |
| popey | step 6 will be the fun/tricky bit | 21:11 |
| brianb | how do i save in nano | 21:11 |
| popey | ctrl+x | 21:12 |
| brianb | having problems with nano and lost my terninal | 21:14 |
| brianb | done ctrl+x | 21:14 |
| brianb | then ask full name to write | 21:14 |
| popey | press enter | 21:15 |
| popey | it already knows the name as /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys hopefully! | 21:15 |
| brianb | so quite nano? | 21:16 |
| popey | so you should have done "sudo nano /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys" | 21:17 |
| popey | and then pasted the line starting ssh-rsa... into it | 21:17 |
| popey | then press ctrl+x to exit and save nano | 21:17 |
| brianb | yes i have the key pasted into nano | 21:17 |
| popey | right. ctrl+x to save | 21:18 |
| brianb | it then asks save modified buffer | 21:18 |
| popey | say "yes" | 21:18 |
| popey | then enter to save it | 21:18 |
| brianb | ok back to terminal | 21:18 |
| popey | cool | 21:19 |
| popey | i need to go and eat my yummy tea, back in ~30 | 21:19 |
| brianb | ok | 21:21 |
| * popey returns | 21:31 | |
| * popey eats too quickly | 21:31 | |
| brianb | ok | 21:31 |
| brianb | got to port forwarding | 21:31 |
| popey | what model of router do you have? | 21:32 |
| brianb | have bt inifinty | 21:33 |
| popey | hmm, i know nothing about those, I assume it has a web based admin tool | 21:33 |
| popey | which can be configured somehow | 21:33 |
| brianb | yes just looking it up | 21:34 |
| brianb | ok got into the router | 21:40 |
| brianb | into port forwarding | 21:42 |
| brianb | so what do i enter for game/application? | 21:45 |
| brianb | ssh server =secure shell i guess? | 21:46 |
| daubers | brianb: Yup | 21:47 |
| brianb | and i select the device i.e. the computer which you want to pop around on ok | 21:48 |
| brianb | so how do i select port 2222? | 21:49 |
| daubers | brianb: Got a screenshot? | 21:53 |
| brianb | of what? | 21:54 |
| brianb | shall i continue with the instruction on the terminal then can come back to the router | 21:55 |
| popey | brianb, hey, sorry, family emergency :) | 22:08 |
| daftykins | gitso no longer work? wow it hasn't been developed in ages | 22:16 |
| daftykins | guess you only want CLI | 22:17 |
| bigcalm | Ug ug | 22:26 |
| popey | well this is indeed odd | 22:34 |
| popey | i have http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/ open in firefox on brianb's machine | 22:34 |
| popey | the bit where the flash video should be is empty, wonder if this is due to me doing this via ssh -X | 22:35 |
| * AlanBell tries an ssh -X with flash | 22:35 | |
| brianb | this is exactly what i get | 22:36 |
| popey | http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ also fails.. hmm | 22:37 |
| popey | this is a super interesting problem brianb :) | 22:37 |
| brianb | yeah you could say that i just understand it | 22:38 |
| bootinfdsds | yeah, I'm writing the memoirs as we type. | 22:38 |
| brianb | dont.. understand it... | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | ssh -X with flash works fine for me popey | 22:38 |
| AlanBell | firefox --no-remote brings it up on my PC with flash working fine | 22:38 |
| brianb | have you tried google chrome? | 22:39 |
| popey | not yet | 22:39 |
| brianb | well when you do you see the message could not load shockwave flash | 22:40 |
| popey | yeah, getting that now | 22:41 |
| popey | ok, so I agree it happens :) | 22:41 |
| popey | gonna have a poke and find out why | 22:41 |
| brianb | cool | 22:42 |
| popey | hmm, via video card | 22:48 |
| popey | wonder if the flash plugin is crashing due to that or the video driver | 22:48 |
| brianb | anyway you can tell? | 22:48 |
| popey | more poking at it :) | 22:49 |
| popey | fbdevhw | 22:49 |
| popey | chrome driver | 22:49 |
| brianb | why does it not crash when running windows xp | 22:49 |
| brianb | is there anyway to start flash manually? | 22:50 |
| AlanBell | unichrome stuff, like an S3 chip popey? | 22:51 |
| popey | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] (rev 01) | 22:51 |
| popey | yes | 22:51 |
| popey | one of them | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | wow | 22:51 |
| AlanBell | what laptop is it? | 22:51 |
| popey | 1GB RAM, just a bit less, unity 2d | 22:51 |
| brianb | its a badged novatech | 22:52 |
| popey | from the past? | 22:52 |
| brianb | but from one of the main laptop manufactures | 22:52 |
| brianb | yeah | 22:53 |
| brianb | most linux distro will work on this laptop | 22:53 |
| AlanBell | it probably isn't related to the graphics drivers, but the drivers for that kind of chip are not the best | 22:54 |
| AlanBell | http://www.openchrome.org/ is the upstream source of them | 22:54 |
| brianb | i have a more modern one which is very picky with various linux distros | 22:55 |
| AlanBell | however, I can't see why flash should fail to start due to drivers (fail to do 3d or video, possibly, if the driver claims to do things it can't) | 22:55 |
| * popey gets a couple of screenshots | 22:55 | |
| brianb | well i cant understand why after all its just a browser plug in so i would have thought that it would work | 22:56 |
| brianb | try and run a radio player like bbc radio 2 | 22:56 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/via1.png | 22:56 |
| AlanBell | if flash isn't starting then it isn't starting | 22:56 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/via2.png | 22:56 |
| brianb | thats what i think its not starting due to some reason | 22:57 |
| brianb | these links popey sould i look at them? | 22:58 |
| popey | nah, more for AlanBell :) | 22:58 |
| brianb | ok | 22:58 |
| * popey enables crash reporting and tries to make it crash | 23:00 | |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| popey | ok, it _is_ crashing | 23:03 |
| brianb | so it trying to load but as it loads it crashes is that what you mean | 23:04 |
| brianb | and then displays the message could not load shockwave flash | 23:05 |
| andylockran-ipad | Tired... | 23:06 |
| andylockran-ipad | Who's about?. | 23:06 |
| * popey files a bug | 23:07 | |
| popey | https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=162994 | 23:09 |
| popey | brianb, keep an eye on that url | 23:09 |
| brianb | so what are your conclusions? | 23:10 |
| popey | brianb, not much I can do until someone from the chromium project looks at that | 23:10 |
| brianb | is that a google issue? | 23:10 |
| popey | or adobe, yes | 23:11 |
| popey | I am leaning towards adobe | 23:11 |
| popey | however it could be they will say "meh, your video card is too old/crusty/rubbish" or "the video driver is to blame" or "not enough video memory" | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | what CPU is it? | 23:11 |
| popey | or something related | 23:11 |
| popey | amd | 23:11 |
| brianb | yes i would concur with you on the latter point | 23:11 |
| popey | model name: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 2600+ | 23:11 |
| popey | so I'm afraid there's not much I can do right now :( | 23:12 |
| brianb | its an amd cpu 2.4 GHz | 23:12 |
| popey | happy to help again if/when google/chromium people come back | 23:12 |
| popey | I'll keep an eye on that bug report | 23:12 |
| AlanBell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/968504 | 23:12 |
| brianb | ok and i keep the ssh server and your account | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | It looks like the problem is the closed source software was compiled with SSE2 instructions which are not supported on the AMD Athton XP processor I have | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | Bug #968759 | 23:13 |
| AlanBell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/968759 | 23:13 |
| popey | good find | 23:13 |
| brianb | is that a kernel issue | 23:14 |
| popey | nope | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3161034 | 23:14 |
| brianb | flash issue | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | it is an Adobe issue | 23:14 |
| AlanBell | they compiled it in a way that is incompatible with your CPU | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | and they compiled the windows version differently \o/ | 23:15 |
| brianb | thats good of them | 23:15 |
| AlanBell | thanks adobe, love you too | 23:15 |
| brianb | so any cpu like the one in my machine will not run adobe flash then | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | yup | 23:16 |
| popey | nice one AlanBell thanks | 23:16 |
| brianb | so can you explain how you came to that conclusion | 23:16 |
| AlanBell | so, if you can find the old version you *might* be able to copy over the libflashplayer.so file | 23:17 |
| popey | because others have figured it out before us :) | 23:17 |
| brianb | right so any way to find a old version | 23:17 |
| popey | well, you might get one that works with firefox, but almost certainly not chrome | 23:17 |
| popey | http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html | 23:18 |
| brianb | so this was abit like re-inventing the wheel then | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | well they are requiring a feature that is in new processors | 23:20 |
| brianb | just that it took some work to find the bug | 23:20 |
| AlanBell | heh, yes it did | 23:20 |
| brianb | guess its a good way to kill off old hardware | 23:21 |
| popey | well, it means people with newer hardware benefit | 23:21 |
| popey | from having code compiled in an optimal way for their newer hardware | 23:21 |
| popey | but people with older kit lose out | 23:22 |
| brianb | i think windows 8 does the same sort of thing if the screen resolution is 8 pixels less it will not open up the apps | 23:23 |
| popey | nice to get to the bottom of the problem though :) | 23:23 |
| brianb | i found that out to my cost | 23:23 |
| brianb | oh yes indeed | 23:24 |
| AlanBell | hardware support always moves on (we don't support 386,486,pentium, ARM V6 any more) but normally it fails in a less surprising way | 23:24 |
| AlanBell | night all o/ | 23:25 |
| popey | nn | 23:25 |
| brianb | if i do find a older version of adobe flash how do i copy over the libflashplayer.so file | 23:25 |
| brianb | good night AlanBell many thanks | 23:25 |
| brianb | hey popey can you explain how you accessed my machine but i could not see anything | 23:26 |
| popey | i was using something called ssh | 23:26 |
| brianb | so what did you see on your pc | 23:27 |
| popey | its commonly used by developers and admins to control servers which have no graphical interface | 23:27 |
| popey | a terminal | 23:27 |
| brianb | ok | 23:27 |
| popey | but there's a funky feature called "x forwarding" | 23:27 |
| popey | which lets me start graphical apps on your machine | 23:27 |
| popey | but the output appears on mine | 23:27 |
| popey | dead handy | 23:27 |
| brianb | but you could open Chrome like if it was on your machine then | 23:28 |
| popey | yeah | 23:28 |
| popey | but its slow | 23:28 |
| popey | very slow :) | 23:28 |
| brianb | what in a VM | 23:28 |
| popey | no | 23:28 |
| popey | running on your machine | 23:28 |
| popey | but sending the window description and updates to my machine | 23:28 |
| popey | if you look at the screenshot you'll see | 23:29 |
| popey | http://popey.com/~alan/via1.png | 23:29 |
| brianb | so you open up chrome and firefox on my machine | 23:29 |
| popey | the blue chrome window is running on your machine but showing the output on mine | 23:29 |
| popey | yes | 23:29 |
| brianb | ok | 23:29 |
| brianb | its very intresting how you could do that | 23:30 |
| brianb | \good for fault finding and looking for bugs | 23:30 |
| popey | its been possible to do this for ~30+ years :) | 23:30 |
| popey | unix :) | 23:30 |
| brianb | oh ok | 23:30 |
| Daviey | popey: Interesting, all of my Graphics Feature Staus is Unavailable | 23:31 |
| brianb | so you logged in to my account using the details | 23:31 |
| popey | no, logged into _my_ account | 23:31 |
| popey | you created a separate user | 23:31 |
| brianb | user account and the password i set up | 23:31 |
| popey | i did that because I wanted a) to have a clean user, b) one that wouldn't mess up yours, c) so I dont see your personal data | 23:32 |
| brianb | so the ssh key must be very imnportant | 23:32 |
| brianb | how was the key generated | 23:32 |
| popey | the ssh key was a cryptographic thing to ensure that it was me that was connecting | 23:33 |
| brianb | so could i generate my own key? | 23:33 |
| popey | you can go to launchpad.net and have some confidence that the owner of that key is me | 23:33 |
| popey | you sure can | 23:33 |
| brianb | cool | 23:33 |
| Daviey | for a nominal fee :) | 23:33 |
| popey | it has two parts, a private bit you keep secret and a public bit you put on remote machines | 23:33 |
| Daviey | we accept paypal :) | 23:34 |
| brianb | so how would i create a key? | 23:34 |
| brianb | hey that for 13.04 | 23:34 |
| brianb | the paypal or paywall | 23:35 |
| Daviey | Sorry, i was kidding.. It's free. The console comamnd, ssh-keygen or the graphical tool.. seahorse | 23:35 |
| brianb | ok | 23:35 |
| brianb | its very powerful i think i leant a little bit tonight from all you guys | 23:36 |
| brianb | so many thanks | 23:38 |
| brianb | popey i will leave your account on my machine so if you do find a fix and you want to try it let me konw | 23:39 |
| popey | ok | 23:39 |
| popey | :) | 23:39 |
| popey | maybe tomorrow we'll look for an old flash library | 23:39 |
| popey | or another night :) | 23:39 |
| brianb | again many thank for all your time spent i very much appreciate it | 23:39 |
| brianb | yes | 23:40 |
| brianb | i have xchat on a MAC so initially was slow and difficult trying things out while typing on my MAC and doing things on the laptop | 23:41 |
| brianb | if your around about 9-30 to morrow or another night and want to try an old flash let me know | 23:43 |
| brianb | so guess its time to say good night guys | 23:44 |
| popey | nn | 23:44 |
| brianb | and thanks for all your help and patience | 23:45 |
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