[00:01] <popey> i can haz 3 weetabix
[00:28]  * xnox .o0( multi grain cheerios *nom* *nom*)
[08:51] <diplo> Morning
[09:23] <daubers_> Morning
[09:24] <theopensourcerer> Yay - we can haz warp drives: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive
[09:26] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[09:32] <Laney> yay
[09:32] <Laney> got me OS maps of the lakes
[09:33] <Laney> holiday next week \o/
[09:39] <popey> i bought some old maps off ebay recently
[09:39] <popey> re-prints of ones from the early 1900's
[09:43] <gord> google maps through time would be really cool
[09:43] <gord> it could even pick up photos from the time period. though i guess the gps tags would be off ;)
[09:44] <Laney> popey: I got some of those from Waterstones
[09:44] <Laney> they were surprisingly cheap - like 2.50
[09:44] <Laney> it's cool to look at them and try to work out where stuff is
[09:47] <einonm> There's a great map shop in Hay on Wye that does nothing but old maps. I think most of them are quite pricey though, probably being originals
[09:48] <popey> yeah, i was disappointed when mine arrived because it shows farnborough but not the bit I'm in, on the edge of town :(
[09:48] <popey> then about a week later I flipped the map over :D
[09:52] <czajkowski> lol
[09:54] <Laney> heh
[09:54] <Laney> i've got a now/then framed comparison thingy on the wall
[09:55] <Laney> http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/framed.asp
[09:57] <daubers> "It's a vast featureless desert out there!" "No sir, thats the back of the map"
[09:58] <popey> hah
[10:04] <daubers> Trip to London rescheduled to Thursday \o/
[10:04] <daubers> I love the unreliability of trains
[10:07] <AlanBell> daubers: I might be in London on Thursday
[10:08] <daubers> AlanBell: I'll be in Kensington for a few hours in the morning
[10:17] <daubers> More importantly.... picking up the little kitten this evening \o/
[11:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:15] <bootinfdsds> mornin' terrible night's sleep.
[11:18] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: your still here dude
[11:24] <bigcalm> popey: what's that random background picker you use?
[11:25] <popey> variety
[11:25] <bigcalm> In USC?
[11:26] <popey> http://launchpad.net/variety
[11:26] <popey> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/variety/
[11:26] <bigcalm> Yep, in USC :)
[11:26] <popey> click the link on that page, see what happens :)
[11:26] <bigcalm> Thanky
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: I bet it's an arb app that is yet to be updated to Quantal :(
[11:29] <popey> yup
[11:31] <bigcalm> Humm, doesn't seem to be working with xfce :(
[11:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: are you on quantal?
[11:31] <bigcalm> davmor2: no, I'm sticking with LTS on my workstation
[11:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: did it install and not run?
[11:33] <bigcalm> It installs and runs. But isn't changing my desktop backgrounds
[11:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: what the delay on it or can you trigger it straight away?
[11:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: the delay is 5 mins, but you can trigger with a click. No change
[11:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: yet another app that hates you then :P
[11:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: I think you've been telling people to dev apps that won't work for me :P
[11:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: to be fair it might use some gnomey thing to trigger the change which is why it doesn't work it is made for ubuntu after all :D
[11:36] <bigcalm> Do you mean unity?
[11:36] <bigcalm> Because I'm using xubuntu
[11:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I mean Ubuntu which is unity's desktop name rather that Xubuntu which is the xfce's desktop name :P
[11:38] <bigcalm> That's confusing
[11:39] <bigcalm> Humm, there is a bug against variety on LP which mentions XFCE and LXDE. So maybe it does work, just not for me
[11:40] <bootinfdsds> Has anyone seen any kickstarter.com/ games that can be used on Ubuntu lately ??
[11:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: Ubuntu cd's have the unity desktop, Xubuntu cd's have the xfce desktop it is fairly simply really
[11:43] <popey> bootinfdsds, ones that are complete or ones that are currently under development?
[11:43] <bootinfdsds> Oh hi popey, the one's that you want to see funded most.
[11:43] <bootinfdsds> under devel.
[11:44] <popey> dunno, directhex probably has a better knowledge of them
[11:44] <popey> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous is popular
[11:44] <bootinfdsds> does he ? directhex ?
[11:44] <popey> not even half way
[11:44] <bootinfdsds> opening...
[11:44] <directhex> hm?
[11:45] <einonm> ..but elite-dangerous is PC only, with some vague promise of other platforms if it goes over the target. That was most annoying to find out.
[11:45] <popey> yeah
[11:45] <bootinfdsds> true
[11:45] <bootinfdsds> any linux definately .. games ?
[11:46] <BigRedS> einonm: where "PC" = "Windows"?
[11:47] <Ng> popey: I do hope that Elite's target is attainable
[11:47] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstarterGames
[11:47] <einonm> BigRedS: I assume, as it is the common parlance for the term
[11:47] <Ng> I want to play that game!
[11:47] <popey> someone has made a list!
[11:47] <davmor2> bootinfdsds: broken sword when it is released
[11:48] <bootinfdsds> Awesome popey ! thanx. have to say Interstellar Marines: Prologue has no chance !
[11:50] <bigcalm> Installing from LP worked
[11:50] <bigcalm> Silly USC
[11:51] <bigcalm> We're still waiting for Vessel :(
[11:54] <bigcalm> Variety also only changes the bg of one of my screens
[11:54] <popey> you have a silly x setup tho :)
[11:55] <bigcalm> Humf. I have a reasonable set-up for a developer ;)
[11:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: no you don't :P
[11:56] <einonm> surely proper developers don't use X?
[11:56] <bigcalm> Ug, here we go :)
[11:57] <bootinfdsds> Sir, You Are Being Hunted looks awesome .. from Bath no less !
[11:57] <bootinfdsds> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499900830/sir-you-are-being-hunted
[11:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: you started it
[11:59] <bigcalm> This looked like a possibility for my need of a touch screen, annoyed that it's out of stock. http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[12:16] <bigcalm> I now have it working for all 3 monitors :D
[12:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: is Alex joining us on Thursday?
[12:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: no word from him and he isn't on irc currently well at least not in the rooms I'm in
[12:17] <bigcalm> Ok. Might find out tomorrow evening then
[12:40] <bootinfdsds> davmor2, Just looking at Sword Of Justice , yeah, what was that all about ? http://goo.gl/zzxSq
[12:42] <davmor2> bootinfdsds: I have no idea I pointed you so broken sword but there kickstart is over and more than sucessful
[12:42] <bootinfdsds> no probs.
[12:43] <bootinfdsds> guess some people just use kickstarter toi make a quick buck, or try to.
[13:36] <andylockran> exit
[13:36] <andylockran> oosp
[13:36] <andylockran> trying to close too many windows
[13:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: and then there were 3
[14:00] <BigRedS> andylockran: ctrl+d :)
[14:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: aye, saw the tweet. Glad that it hasn't died a complete death
[14:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: going by the lug ml, there will be a mob of 17 hungry curry eaters. I do hope Ron's reservation can cope
[14:29] <andylockran> merci
[16:02] <BigRedS> popey: are you running raring on your thinkpad? Mine keeps shutting down claiming CPU overheating, and I'm wondering whether it's a power issue in the kernel or I need to take a hoover to its innerds...
[16:03] <popey> BigRedS, 12.04
[16:03] <popey> i get it on 12.04 too
[16:03] <BigRedS> Ahh
[16:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1391971/
[16:03] <BigRedS> eesh
[16:03] <BigRedS> yeah
[16:04] <popey> thats not overheat
[16:04] <popey> Package power limit notification
[16:04] <popey> Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled   that is
[16:04] <popey> AIUI
[16:04] <BigRedS> No, I've not checked any logs yet - I upgraded yesterday and I've only tried to use it today and it's off now.
[16:05] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ dmesg | grep -c temperature\ above
[16:05] <popey> 10
[16:05] <popey> not often
[16:05] <popey>  16:05:10 up 7 days,  7:48,  4 users,  load average: 0.93, 0.76, 0.78
[16:05] <popey> probably when playing minecraft :D
[16:06] <BigRedS> yeah, I suppose I'll have a fiddle this eve when I'm not trying to do work...
[16:10] <BigRedS> Hm, thinking about it, I had this briefly with 12.04 too
[16:10] <BigRedS> but then the disk failed and I replaced it and stuck 12.10 on it
[16:46] <brianb> does anyone know the reason why both Firefox and Google Chrome (inc Chromium) fail to load and display adobe flash content on web pages in ubuntu 12.04?
[16:49] <brianb> Also is both Firefox and google Chrome running in protected mode via the sandbox mechanism - which could be the reason why both browsers fail to play out a flash website content?
[17:02]  * czajkowski tickles popey 
[17:04] <daftykins> :o
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> brianb: no, that's not it
[17:06] <MartijnVdS> brianb: because it works for a lot of people
[17:10] <directhex> less than an hour on the steam sale
[17:12] <BigRedS> I keep seeing your recommendations when I'm not in a good place to act upon them
[17:12] <BigRedS> I did try to buy Serious Sam, but apparently I've already got it. Does that come with the beta?
[17:15] <brianb> well explain why chrome will not load shockwave flashplug in then
[17:16] <BigRedS> fancy starting it in a terminal and pastebinning what it outputs?
[17:17] <BigRedS> or should we just divine the reason?
[17:18] <popey> brianb, got a specific example of flash content? e.g. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[17:18] <popey> if you have flash installed, that page will tell you
[17:18] <popey> e.g. for me it says "You have version 11,2,202,251 installed"
[17:19] <brianb> clearly the error message displayed in the chrome browser says its not loading hence if i could load it manually then that would help with whats causing the issue
[17:20] <brianb> the content is the any BBC media - i.e. BBC radio 2 will not play, BBC new Live no sound or video
[17:21] <brianb> if i go to chrome://plugins and expand details the version for Chrome is 11.2 r202
[17:22] <brianb> the same version also for firefox
[17:22] <popey> brianb, what does http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ give you?
[17:22] <popey> in chrome I get "You have version 11,5,31,2 installed"
[17:24] <brianb> in Chrome it displays the web page with no flash content - top line after the address bar  the following message - could not load shockwave flash
[17:24] <popey> brianb, has it ever worked on that machine?
[17:25] <brianb> not on the latest version of ubuntu from 10.10 or 12.04 it has worked with older versions of ubuntu
[17:26] <brianb> it works on windows on the same machine
[17:26] <brianb> the machine has multi boot
[17:27] <brianb> and i have some space to instal other linux distos
[17:27] <popey> is it a 64-bit install of ubuntu?
[17:27] <brianb> 32 bit i belive
[17:28] <brianb> how can i check in termal
[17:28] <popey> uname -a
[17:28] <popey> does it mention i686 or x86_64 ?
[17:30] <brianb> no is returns i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[17:32] <brianb> 3.2.0-33 generic pae 52-Ubuntu
[17:32] <AlanBell> it mentions i686 then :) you have a 32 bit install
[17:32] <brianb> yes
[17:33] <popey> ok
[17:33] <brianb> i dont download x64 only have one machine that is 64bit
[17:33] <popey> thats fine, just checking what it was installed
[17:34] <popey> brianb, in chrome, click the button in the top right corner, click 'about google chrome', what version does it display? mine is "Version 23.0.1271.64"
[17:34] <brianb> see i think for whatever reason because its not loading shockwave flash thats the problem which is related to both browser
[17:35] <popey> chrome and firefox don't share the same flash, which makes this very odd
[17:36] <brianb> version 23.0.1271.91
[17:37]  * popey updates his chrome
[17:38] <Azelphur> I just feel like mentioning that I officially want to stab Santander in the face
[17:38] <Azelphur> tis the season to be randomly freezing my bank account every 5 minutes \o/
[17:38] <daftykins> \o/
[17:38] <daftykins> good times
[17:38] <brianb> ok so when you access a web site with flash content there must be a trigger that launches a file to activate the flash plug in
[17:38] <Azelphur> indeed
[17:38] <daftykins> Azelphur: fala-lalala-lala-la-la indeed.
[17:39] <Azelphur> daftykins: I filed a complaint, they sent me a text to say the complaint was registered, then 5 minutes later another one saying the complaint had been closed.
[17:39] <Azelphur> :@
[17:39] <daftykins> :o
[17:39] <daftykins> with no action taken? just ignored
[17:39] <Azelphur> seems so, yes.
[17:39] <AlanBell> brianb: sure, the browser loads the plugin, and the chrome method for doing so is entirely different to the firefox method
[17:39] <davmor2> daftykins: Oi no! none of that till the first sighting of the coke advert happens
[17:40] <AlanBell> brianb: did you try starting chrome from a terminal to see if it outputs anything interesting when it tries to load a flash object?
[17:40] <popey> ok, updated to same version of chrome as brianb and it still works here
[17:40] <daftykins> davmor2: sorry. it was in a sarcastic 'santander, you suck' way at least...
[17:40] <Azelphur> haha
[17:40] <brianb> yeah but within the sandbox mechanism is this which implements flash plugin?
[17:41] <daftykins> Azelphur: does it stop web login and your cards too?
[17:41] <Azelphur> daftykins: it lets me login to the web, it completely freezes my card.
[17:42] <popey> brianb, have you actively enabled anything in chrome which might disable flash?
[17:42] <brianb> soso how do i launch chrome from the terminal
[17:42] <Azelphur> even for 100% reputable stuff, like I can't use my debit card to pay off the balance on my credit card to use that instead *bangs head against wall*
[17:42] <popey> brianb, open a terminal and type "google-chrome"
[17:42] <AlanBell> brianb: to launch chrome from the terminal first close every single chrome window and type google-chrome to restart it
[17:43] <brianb> i take it you mean all tabs
[17:44] <daftykins> Azelphur: doh! i'm juggling some money around atm ahead of a house purchase, hopefully won't get any surprises :S
[17:44] <AlanBell> I mean close chrome altogether
[17:44] <AlanBell> so don't leave one chrome window on a different workspace running or something like that
[17:44] <Azelphur> daftykins: fun, I juggle BTC, so every time they do this and freeze my account like this I lose money, this one cost me ~£30 -.-
[17:44] <daftykins> every tab, every window
[17:45] <daftykins> BTC?
[17:45] <Azelphur> http://www.weusecoins.com/
[17:45] <popey> killall chrome
[17:45] <popey> :)
[17:45] <brianb> ok at present i have multiple tabs so if i close chrome all tabs will close then go to the terminal and launch chrome from there
[17:45] <daftykins> oh that jazz
[17:45] <daftykins> is there actually any point to that?
[17:45] <AlanBell> brianb: sure, that is fine, just close chrome
[17:45] <brianb> i have done that and all tabs reopen
[17:46] <einonm> Ooh, Jonathan Corbet has just reviewed ubuntu on the Nexus7, on LWN
[17:46] <Azelphur> daftykins: instant transaction feeless anonymous decentralised currency? ...yes?
[17:46] <AlanBell> brianb: fine, now go to a flash website, and look at the terminal, is anything interesting output there?
[17:46] <daftykins> what situations does that ever help in though? i've never read up about it
[17:46] <Azelphur> ain't no banks freezing my bitcoin wallet xD
[17:46] <daftykins> only seen the name get thrown around IRC a lot
[17:46] <brianb> and still get the message - could not load shockwave flash
[17:47] <AlanBell> brianb: in the terminal window, is there any text?
[17:47] <AlanBell> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream
[17:47] <AlanBell> for example?
[17:47] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's extremely cheap to send money abroad using it, usually you'd have to go through western union or something which would charge you like $10, with bitcoin, USA is the same as EU pretty much.
[17:47] <Azelphur> It's also a worldwide currency, so no currency exchange fees either
[17:47] <daftykins> Azelphur: ah ok. don't think i'd ever benefit then really
[17:48] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's also really cool, open source money, :D
[17:48] <brianb> well have to look at terminal
[17:48] <Azelphur> daftykins: but yea, I buy bulk chunks from miners at a low price, then sell on to people (usually via UK bank transfer) and flip a little profit in the process :D
[17:48] <brianb> what sort of thing am i looking for in the terminal
[17:49] <daftykins> Azelphur: how sneaky :o
[17:49] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:50] <AlanBell> brianb: any text following your google-chrome command
[17:50] <Azelphur> I wouldn't say sneaky, I don't lie about what I'm doing, most of the miners/big traders arn't interested in dealing with amounts below £500
[17:51]  * dwatkins heads home whilst it's still above freezing
[17:51] <brianb> right i have an ERROR:webplugin_delegate_proxy.cc(407)
[17:51] <AlanBell> oooh
[17:51] <AlanBell> that is interesting
[17:52] <brianb> pluginMsg_Init returned false
[17:53] <brianb> Could't initalize plug-in
[17:53] <brianb> HTTP request sent, awaiting response ..... 200 OK
[17:53] <directhex> BigRedS, you know you can buy games from the android/ios app, right? or any web browser
[17:54] <daftykins> as long as you wade through the tedious device authentication, so you can get to your named email account
[17:54] <brianb> so it looks like the plugin is not being Initialized
[17:56] <AlanBell> yeah, but now we have a more informative error message (slightly)
[17:56] <daftykins> nuke it and start again? :)
[17:57] <directhex> by "any web browser" i mean "not mobile IE, since the steamguard auth popup doesn't render properly in it"
[17:57] <AlanBell> brianb: can you close chrome then run
[17:57] <AlanBell> google-chrome --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash
[17:58] <AlanBell> and see if that makes any difference at all
[17:58] <brianb> can hold one sec - i am loging into xchat on the machine runing 12.04 with the problem so i can copy and past the term message if you want
[18:00] <brianb> would you like me to open up a personal channel so i can past the terminal msg?
[18:00] <jacobw> use pastebin
[18:00] <jacobw> !paste
[18:00] <jacobw> !pastebin
[18:00] <brianb> i dont know about pastbin
[18:01] <jacobw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:01] <jacobw> brianb: you can upload any peice of text and get a link back to it that you can give to people
[18:01]  * jacobw hunts and kills to absent bot
[18:03] <brianb> ok i think i have copy and pasted the error to paste bin
[18:03] <daftykins> now paste the page link in here
[18:04] <brianb> paste.ubuntu.com/1392296/
[18:08] <brianb> right now going to close chrome and relaunch in terminal using the disable command
[18:13] <brianb> have pasted the msg which is returned after --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash
[18:14] <brianb> paste.ubuntu.com/1392329/
[18:15] <brianb> so in each case it would appear that the ERROR is related to not being able to initialize the plug in
[18:15] <popey> thats sending a crashdump to google
[18:16] <brianb> what does that mean
[18:16] <popey> well, not really directly related to your flash issue
[18:16] <popey> but chrome is sending crash data to google HQ for them to analyse
[18:17] <brianb> so what will be the outcome from that if any?
[18:17] <popey> none directly
[18:18] <brianb> so really no further advance on the issue then?
[18:18] <popey> no
[18:19] <brianb> guess if Firefox was lanuched from the terminal then it would also generate a crash report as well
[18:19] <popey> nope
[18:20] <brianb> would any information be gleaned by launching firefox from a terminal
[18:20] <popey> it might, yes
[18:20] <popey> you could try firefox with a new clean profile too
[18:20] <brianb> shall i try it
[18:20] <popey> but one thing at a time
[18:21] <brianb> ok give me directions
[18:22] <popey> firefox -CreateProfile "test"
[18:22] <popey> firefox -profile "test"
[18:22] <popey> the second command will launch a clean firefox
[18:23] <popey> then visit the adobe page given previously http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[18:25] <brianb> thiok have done that
[18:26] <brianb> so do i tye in the HTTP address in the new tab address bar or from the terminal?
[18:26] <popey> address bar
[18:27] <brianb> ok done that
[18:27] <popey> does flash load?
[18:28] <brianb> no but the web page displays information on downloading flash player it appears to be a different page to when i opened it up in chrome
[18:28] <popey> it will be
[18:28] <popey> okay, close firefox
[18:28] <popey> do this in a terminal:-
[18:29] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer
[18:29] <popey> and copy/paste what appears to pastebin please
[18:29] <brianb> there is no extra information in the terminal
[18:29] <popey> ok. thanks
[18:31] <daftykins> xbox dashboard update 0o
[18:32] <brianb> when the terminal has completed its script you want me to open up a browser and paste the contents into pastebin yes
[18:32] <popey> yes please
[18:34] <brianb> paste.ubuntu.com/1392404/
[18:35] <popey> brianb, now try firefox again?
[18:36] <brianb> have done still no flash content
[18:36] <nanas> i'm installing ubuntu on toshiba laptop; got an error message and followed instructions here:
[18:36] <nanas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:37] <nanas> ubuntu is still not booting so next step is to paste here the last message given by repair program:
[18:37] <nanas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392367/
[18:38] <nanas> when i try to boot message is: the disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present
[18:38] <popey> thats just a warning
[18:38] <popey> if you wait it usually passes
[18:39] <nanas> been there for about 10 minutes
[18:39] <popey> brianb, hmm, chrisccoulson you about? any suggestion why someone can't view flash content in either chrome or ff on a machine?
[18:40] <daftykins> popey: since that flash installer reinstalled from cache and the plugin from /tmp is it worth knocking those two out and retrying?
[18:41] <popey> nah
[18:41] <popey> the flashplugin itself didnt come from cache
[18:41] <daftykins> ah
[18:42] <daftykins> what's "Installing from local file /tmp/tmpa0_c6j.gz" ?
[18:43] <popey> look at the line above
[18:43] <popey> it downloads from the web to /tmp
[18:44] <daftykins> ah, i was expecting to see that older style line by line progress, guess that's changed
[18:44] <daftykins> i figured that was overriding the line above, nm
[18:44] <brianb> i have three folders in usr/lib folder for firefox, folder for firefox-addons and folder flashplugin-installer
[18:46] <brianb> so i think the flashplugin-installer is maybe used for chrome
[18:46] <popey> no, it is not
[18:46] <brianb> ok
[18:46] <popey> chrome has its own built-in flash plugin
[18:46] <popey> which lives in /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so for me
[18:47] <AlanBell> to be precise /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so
[18:47] <daftykins> heh
[18:47] <AlanBell> snap
[18:49] <BigRedS> directhex: yeah, it's card deails I keep misplacing
[18:50] <popey> I'd love to have a poke around on your system brianb to understand how this is broken :(
[18:50] <popey> i wonder if the magic command will fix it :)
[18:50] <popey> brianb, in a terminal can you do this:-
[18:50] <popey> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[18:50] <popey> note the caret on the end is important
[18:51] <popey> run that and tell me if it wants to install any missing packages?
[18:51] <daftykins> hmm what does the circumflex do?
[18:51] <brianb> what the magic co
[18:52] <brianb> where will i find the caret
[18:52] <brianb> found it
[18:53] <popey> it installs the task, which will pull in anything missing
[18:54] <brianb> ok after going through a long list it ask that linix headers to be installed
[18:54] <brianb> do i install them?
[18:55] <daftykins> how is that different to the meta package?
[18:55] <popey> brianb, :(
[18:55] <popey> thats probably not going to fix it, no
[18:55] <popey> daftykins, installing the metapackage won't pull in all the dependents
[18:56] <daftykins> oh right
[18:57] <brianb> i tell you what i need to take a break for a few hours so when you said you like to look at my machine you could do that remotely yes
[18:57] <popey> ok, maybe later :)
[18:58] <brianb> so if you want to then have to set it up
[18:58] <brianb> its mainly used to try out various distros
[18:58] <brianb> but its a very intresting problem
[19:00] <brianb> its just bugging me why it wont work with adobe flash
[19:02] <popey> me too
[19:02] <brianb> i guess thats why Apple dont like flash
[19:02] <popey> there are many good reasons to not like flash
[19:02] <daftykins> i'd create another user account for a laugh
[19:05] <brianb> well i must go be back around 8pm if you want to play around on the machine
[19:06] <popey> ok see you brianb
[19:06] <brianb> can you let me know if thats ok
[19:06] <popey> will do
[19:06] <brianb> cool
[19:06] <popey> need to put kids to bed and make food
[19:07] <brianb> see you at 8
[19:29] <AlanBell> my brown Jaunty Tshirt has been cut up into rags to make a "boy villager" costume
[19:33] <popey> i dont think i ever got a jaunty one
[19:33] <popey> oh. yes i did
[19:33] <popey> _that_ one
[19:33] <popey> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=490
[19:37] <Daviey> i got that, but i didn't buy it...
[19:38] <Daviey> where would i have got it from?
[19:38] <Daviey> it's not a UDS one..
[19:39] <Daviey> The jaunty UDS t-shirt was the 'sports shirt'.. that i hated. :)
[19:42] <jacobw> homeland \o/
[19:45] <daftykins> it's certainly no fun rocking outdated shirts
[19:45] <daftykins> my firefox 3 shirt looks a bit ancient now
[19:49] <AlanBell> yeah, that one, the tour dates tshirt
[20:12]  * popey finally goes to make food
[20:29] <brianb> popey let me know when your free
[20:30] <popey> yo
[20:30] <popey> dinner in oven
[20:30] <popey> so anytime :)
[20:30] <brianb> ok
[20:30] <brianb> well what to do first then
[20:30] <popey> I'll write up some notes
[20:30] <popey> one mo
[20:31] <brianb> do you want me to create a new account?
[20:40] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392735/
[20:41] <popey> someone want to review those instructions?
[20:43] <daubers> popey: Looks ok
[20:45] <popey> brianb, ^^ see that paste, those are the "how to let alan look at my machine" settings
[20:48] <brianb> ok have opened up the paste bin as see the instuctions
[20:48] <brianb> so will follow the instructions and will type in here when ready ok
[20:53] <daubers> Ooof!
[20:53] <brianb> when i visit the launchpad do i do thid in the terminal or in firefox?
[20:54] <daubers> Seriously skype? You want 146MB of stuff to work?
[20:54] <popey> brianb, que?
[20:54] <popey> daubers, 146MB of 32-bit goodness on a 64-bit box?
[20:55] <daubers> popey: Unfortunatley so
[20:55] <popey> so that lot wont even get re-used by anything else really
[20:55] <daubers> Probably not :(
[20:55] <brianb> point 2 on the list the sshkeys
[20:56] <daubers> Stupid 32 bit only binary things
[20:56] <popey> brianb, you can kinda omit visiting launchpad as I copy pasted the contents immediate below.. the line starting "ssh-rsa..."
[20:56] <popey> thats the bit that you need for step 4
[20:57] <andylockran-ipad> Hey
[20:57] <andylockran-ipad> Phew. Hassle setting up irc on the ipad
[20:57] <andylockran-ipad> Fancy a nexus 7 for Xmas
[20:58] <brobostigon> the graphics is amazing, compared to what i seen before. on the nexus7.
[20:59] <andylockran-ipad> Yeah a friend showed me one at the weekend
[20:59] <brianb> after i enter alans password it asks me to enter a new value followed by full name [] ?
[21:00] <popey> my name is "Alan Pope" if you want to, you can enter that
[21:01] <brianb> room number?
[21:01] <popey> just press enter for the others
[21:01] <popey> or make stuff up about me :)
[21:01] <brianb> right done that
[21:01] <brianb> now i do point 3
[21:04] <brianb> so i now create the directorys
[21:05] <popey> sudo mkdir /home/alan/.ssh
[21:05] <popey> its the next line
[21:05] <popey> sorry, i should have been more clear there
[21:05] <brianb> yes
[21:05] <popey> just type that
[21:05] <brianb> what about the ssh key
[21:06] <popey> sudo nano /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys
[21:06] <popey> a text editor will appear
[21:06] <popey> paste the bit on line 11 into it
[21:10] <brianb> i cant see a txt e ok have pasted the ssh key in the directoy
[21:11] <popey> in step 5, just paste the 3 lines in
[21:11] <popey> to the terminal
[21:11] <popey> step 6 will be the fun/tricky bit
[21:11] <brianb> how do i save in nano
[21:12] <popey> ctrl+x
[21:14] <brianb> having problems with nano and lost my terninal
[21:14] <brianb> done ctrl+x
[21:14] <brianb> then ask full name to write
[21:15] <popey> press enter
[21:15] <popey> it already knows the name as /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys  hopefully!
[21:16] <brianb> so quite nano?
[21:17] <popey> so you should have done "sudo nano /home/alan/.ssh/authorized_keys"
[21:17] <popey> and then pasted the line starting ssh-rsa... into it
[21:17] <popey> then press ctrl+x to exit and save nano
[21:17] <brianb> yes i have the key pasted into nano
[21:18] <popey> right. ctrl+x to save
[21:18] <brianb> it then asks save modified buffer
[21:18] <popey> say "yes"
[21:18] <popey> then enter to save it
[21:18] <brianb> ok back to terminal
[21:19] <popey> cool
[21:19] <popey> i need to go and eat my yummy tea, back in ~30
[21:21] <brianb> ok
[21:31]  * popey returns
[21:31]  * popey eats too quickly
[21:31] <brianb> ok
[21:31] <brianb> got to port forwarding
[21:32] <popey> what model of router do you have?
[21:33] <brianb> have bt inifinty
[21:33] <popey> hmm, i know nothing about those, I assume it has a web based admin tool
[21:33] <popey> which can be configured somehow
[21:34] <brianb> yes just looking it up
[21:40] <brianb> ok got into the router
[21:42] <brianb> into port forwarding
[21:45] <brianb> so what do i enter for game/application?
[21:46] <brianb> ssh server =secure shell i guess?
[21:47] <daubers> brianb: Yup
[21:48] <brianb> and i select the device i.e. the computer which you want to pop around on ok
[21:49] <brianb> so how do i select port 2222?
[21:53] <daubers> brianb: Got a screenshot?
[21:54] <brianb> of what?
[21:55] <brianb> shall i continue with the instruction on the terminal then can come back to the router
[22:08] <popey> brianb, hey, sorry, family emergency :)
[22:16] <daftykins> gitso no longer work? wow it hasn't been developed in ages
[22:17] <daftykins> guess you only want CLI
[22:26] <bigcalm> Ug ug
[22:34] <popey> well this is indeed odd
[22:34] <popey> i have http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/ open in firefox on brianb's machine
[22:35] <popey> the bit where the flash video should be is empty, wonder if this is due to me doing this via ssh -X
[22:35]  * AlanBell tries an ssh -X with flash
[22:36] <brianb> this is exactly what i get
[22:37] <popey> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ also fails.. hmm
[22:37] <popey> this is a super interesting problem brianb :)
[22:38] <brianb> yeah you could say that i just understand it
[22:38] <bootinfdsds> yeah, I'm writing the memoirs as we type.
[22:38] <brianb> dont.. understand it...
[22:38] <AlanBell> ssh -X with flash works fine for me popey
[22:38] <AlanBell> firefox --no-remote brings it up on my PC with flash working fine
[22:39] <brianb> have you tried google chrome?
[22:39] <popey> not yet
[22:40] <brianb> well when you do you see the message could not load shockwave flash
[22:41] <popey> yeah, getting that now
[22:41] <popey> ok, so I agree it happens :)
[22:41] <popey> gonna have a poke and find out why
[22:42] <brianb> cool
[22:48] <popey> hmm, via video card
[22:48] <popey> wonder if the flash plugin is crashing due to that or the video driver
[22:48] <brianb> anyway you can tell?
[22:49] <popey> more poking at it :)
[22:49] <popey> fbdevhw
[22:49] <popey> chrome driver
[22:49] <brianb> why does it not crash when running windows xp
[22:50] <brianb> is there anyway to start flash manually?
[22:51] <AlanBell> unichrome stuff, like an S3 chip popey?
[22:51] <popey> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. KM400/KN400/P4M800 [S3 UniChrome] (rev 01)
[22:51] <popey> yes
[22:51] <popey> one of them
[22:51] <AlanBell> wow
[22:51] <AlanBell> what laptop is it?
[22:51] <popey> 1GB RAM, just a bit less, unity 2d
[22:52] <brianb> its a badged novatech
[22:52] <popey> from the past?
[22:52] <brianb> but from one of the main laptop manufactures
[22:53] <brianb> yeah
[22:53] <brianb> most linux distro will work on this laptop
[22:54] <AlanBell> it probably isn't related to the graphics drivers, but the drivers for that kind of chip are not the best
[22:54] <AlanBell> http://www.openchrome.org/ is the upstream source of them
[22:55] <brianb> i have a more modern one which is very picky with various linux distros
[22:55] <AlanBell> however, I can't see why flash should fail to start due to drivers (fail to do 3d or video, possibly, if the driver claims to do things it can't)
[22:55]  * popey gets a couple of screenshots
[22:56] <brianb> well i cant understand why after all its just a browser plug in so i would have thought that it would work
[22:56] <brianb> try and run a radio player like bbc radio 2
[22:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/via1.png
[22:56] <AlanBell> if flash isn't starting then it isn't starting
[22:56] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/via2.png
[22:57] <brianb> thats what i think its not starting due to some reason
[22:58] <brianb> these links popey sould i look at them?
[22:58] <popey> nah, more for AlanBell :)
[22:58] <brianb> ok
[23:00]  * popey enables crash reporting and tries to make it crash
[23:03] <popey> ok, it _is_ crashing
[23:04] <brianb> so it trying to load but as it loads it crashes is that what you mean
[23:05] <brianb> and then displays the message could not load shockwave flash
[23:06] <andylockran-ipad>  Tired...
[23:06] <andylockran-ipad> Who's about?.
[23:07]  * popey files a bug
[23:09] <popey> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=162994
[23:09] <popey> brianb, keep an eye on that url
[23:10] <brianb> so what are your conclusions?
[23:10] <popey> brianb, not much I can do until someone from the chromium project looks at that
[23:10] <brianb> is that a google issue?
[23:11] <popey> or adobe, yes
[23:11] <popey> I am leaning towards adobe
[23:11] <popey> however it could be they will say "meh, your video card is too old/crusty/rubbish" or "the video driver is to blame" or "not enough video memory"
[23:11] <AlanBell> what CPU is it?
[23:11] <popey> or something related
[23:11] <popey> amd
[23:11] <brianb> yes i would concur with you on the latter point
[23:11] <popey> model name	: mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP-M 2600+
[23:12] <popey> so I'm afraid there's not much I can do right now :(
[23:12] <brianb> its an amd cpu 2.4 GHz
[23:12] <popey> happy to help again if/when google/chromium people come back
[23:12] <popey> I'll keep an eye on that bug report
[23:12] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/968504
[23:13] <brianb> ok and i keep the ssh server and your account
[23:13] <AlanBell> It looks like the problem is the closed source software was compiled with SSE2 instructions which are not supported on the AMD Athton XP processor I have
[23:13] <AlanBell> Bug #968759
[23:13] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/968759
[23:13] <popey> good find
[23:14] <brianb> is that a kernel issue
[23:14] <popey> nope
[23:14] <AlanBell> https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=3161034
[23:14] <brianb> flash issue
[23:14] <AlanBell> it is an Adobe issue
[23:15] <AlanBell> they compiled it in a way that is incompatible with your CPU
[23:15] <AlanBell> and they compiled the windows version differently \o/
[23:15] <brianb> thats good of them
[23:15] <AlanBell> thanks adobe, love you too
[23:16] <brianb> so any cpu like the one in my machine will not run adobe flash then
[23:16] <AlanBell> yup
[23:16] <popey> nice one AlanBell thanks
[23:16] <brianb> so can you explain how you came to that conclusion
[23:17] <AlanBell> so, if you can find the old version you *might* be able to copy over the libflashplayer.so file
[23:17] <popey> because others have figured it out before us :)
[23:17] <brianb> right so any way to find a old version
[23:17] <popey> well, you might get one that works with firefox, but almost certainly not chrome
[23:18] <popey> http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/archived-flash-player-versions.html
[23:20] <brianb> so this was abit like re-inventing the wheel then
[23:20] <AlanBell> well they are requiring a feature that is in new processors
[23:20] <brianb> just that it took some work to find the bug
[23:20] <AlanBell> heh, yes it did
[23:21] <brianb> guess its a good way to kill off old hardware
[23:21] <popey> well, it means people with newer hardware benefit
[23:21] <popey> from having code compiled in an optimal way for their newer hardware
[23:22] <popey> but people with older kit lose out
[23:23] <brianb> i think windows 8 does the same sort of thing if the screen resolution is 8 pixels less it will not open up the apps
[23:23] <popey> nice to get to the bottom of the problem though :)
[23:23] <brianb> i found that out to my cost
[23:24] <brianb> oh yes indeed
[23:24] <AlanBell> hardware support always moves on (we don't support 386,486,pentium, ARM V6 any more) but normally it fails in a less surprising way
[23:25] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:25] <popey> nn
[23:25] <brianb> if i do find a older version of adobe flash how do i copy over the libflashplayer.so file
[23:25] <brianb> good night AlanBell many thanks
[23:26] <brianb> hey popey can you explain how you accessed my machine but i could not see anything
[23:26] <popey> i was using something called ssh
[23:27] <brianb> so what did you see on your pc
[23:27] <popey> its commonly used by developers and admins to control servers which have no graphical interface
[23:27] <popey> a terminal
[23:27] <brianb> ok
[23:27] <popey> but there's a funky feature called "x forwarding"
[23:27] <popey> which lets me start graphical apps on your machine
[23:27] <popey> but the output appears on mine
[23:27] <popey> dead handy
[23:28] <brianb> but you could open Chrome like if it was on your machine then
[23:28] <popey> yeah
[23:28] <popey> but its slow
[23:28] <popey> very slow :)
[23:28] <brianb> what in a VM
[23:28] <popey> no
[23:28] <popey> running on your machine
[23:28] <popey> but sending the window description and updates to my machine
[23:29] <popey> if you look at the screenshot you'll see
[23:29] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/via1.png
[23:29] <brianb> so you open up chrome and firefox on my machine
[23:29] <popey> the blue chrome window is running on your machine but showing the output on mine
[23:29] <popey> yes
[23:29] <brianb> ok
[23:30] <brianb> its very intresting how you could do that
[23:30] <brianb> \good for fault finding and looking for bugs
[23:30] <popey> its been possible to do this for ~30+ years :)
[23:30] <popey> unix :)
[23:30] <brianb> oh ok
[23:31] <Daviey> popey: Interesting, all of my Graphics Feature Staus is Unavailable
[23:31] <brianb> so you logged in to my account using the details
[23:31] <popey> no, logged into _my_ account
[23:31] <popey> you created a separate user
[23:31] <brianb> user account and the password i set up
[23:32] <popey> i did that because I wanted a) to have a clean user, b) one that wouldn't mess up yours, c) so I dont see your personal data
[23:32] <brianb> so the ssh key must be very imnportant
[23:32] <brianb> how was the key generated
[23:33] <popey> the ssh key was a cryptographic thing to ensure that it was me that was connecting
[23:33] <brianb> so could i generate my own key?
[23:33] <popey> you can go to launchpad.net and have some confidence that the owner of that key is me
[23:33] <popey> you sure can
[23:33] <brianb> cool
[23:33] <Daviey> for a nominal fee :)
[23:33] <popey> it has two parts, a private bit you keep secret and a public bit you put on remote machines
[23:34] <Daviey> we accept paypal :)
[23:34] <brianb> so how would i create a key?
[23:34] <brianb> hey that for 13.04
[23:35] <brianb> the paypal or paywall
[23:35] <Daviey> Sorry, i was kidding.. It's free. The console comamnd, ssh-keygen or the graphical tool.. seahorse
[23:35] <brianb> ok
[23:36] <brianb> its very powerful i think i leant a little bit tonight from all you guys
[23:38] <brianb> so many thanks
[23:39] <brianb> popey i will leave your account on my machine so if you do find a fix and you want to try it let me konw
[23:39] <popey> ok
[23:39] <popey> :)
[23:39] <popey> maybe tomorrow we'll look for an old flash library
[23:39] <popey> or another night :)
[23:39] <brianb> again many thank for all your time spent i very much appreciate it
[23:40] <brianb> yes
[23:41] <brianb> i have xchat on a MAC so initially was slow and difficult trying things out while typing on my MAC and doing things on the laptop
[23:43] <brianb> if your around about 9-30 to morrow or another night and want to try an old flash let me know
[23:44] <brianb> so guess its time to say good night guys
[23:44] <popey> nn
[23:45] <brianb> and thanks for all your help and patience