[00:01] i can haz 3 weetabix [00:28] * xnox .o0( multi grain cheerios *nom* *nom*) === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:51] Morning === d0m is now known as dw4tkins [09:23] Morning === daubers_ is now known as daubers [09:24] Yay - we can haz warp drives: http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive [09:26] Morning all! :) [09:32] yay [09:32] got me OS maps of the lakes [09:33] holiday next week \o/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:39] i bought some old maps off ebay recently [09:39] re-prints of ones from the early 1900's [09:43] google maps through time would be really cool [09:43] it could even pick up photos from the time period. though i guess the gps tags would be off ;) [09:44] popey: I got some of those from Waterstones [09:44] they were surprisingly cheap - like 2.50 [09:44] it's cool to look at them and try to work out where stuff is [09:47] There's a great map shop in Hay on Wye that does nothing but old maps. I think most of them are quite pricey though, probably being originals [09:48] yeah, i was disappointed when mine arrived because it shows farnborough but not the bit I'm in, on the edge of town :( [09:48] then about a week later I flipped the map over :D [09:52] lol [09:54] heh [09:54] i've got a now/then framed comparison thingy on the wall [09:55] http://www.cassinimaps.co.uk/shop/framed.asp [09:57] "It's a vast featureless desert out there!" "No sir, thats the back of the map" [09:58] hah [10:04] Trip to London rescheduled to Thursday \o/ [10:04] I love the unreliability of trains [10:07] daubers: I might be in London on Thursday [10:08] AlanBell: I'll be in Kensington for a few hours in the morning [10:17] More importantly.... picking up the little kitten this evening \o/ === buzz_ is now known as exobuzz [11:02] good morning everyone. [11:15] mornin' terrible night's sleep. [11:18] Morning all [11:18] MooDoo: your still here dude [11:24] popey: what's that random background picker you use? [11:25] variety [11:25] In USC? [11:26] http://launchpad.net/variety [11:26] https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/variety/ [11:26] Yep, in USC :) [11:26] click the link on that page, see what happens :) [11:26] Thanky [11:28] popey: I bet it's an arb app that is yet to be updated to Quantal :( [11:29] yup [11:31] Humm, doesn't seem to be working with xfce :( [11:31] bigcalm: are you on quantal? [11:31] davmor2: no, I'm sticking with LTS on my workstation [11:32] bigcalm: did it install and not run? [11:33] It installs and runs. But isn't changing my desktop backgrounds [11:33] bigcalm: what the delay on it or can you trigger it straight away? [11:33] davmor2: the delay is 5 mins, but you can trigger with a click. No change [11:34] bigcalm: yet another app that hates you then :P [11:34] davmor2: I think you've been telling people to dev apps that won't work for me :P [11:35] bigcalm: to be fair it might use some gnomey thing to trigger the change which is why it doesn't work it is made for ubuntu after all :D [11:36] Do you mean unity? [11:36] Because I'm using xubuntu [11:37] bigcalm: no I mean Ubuntu which is unity's desktop name rather that Xubuntu which is the xfce's desktop name :P [11:38] That's confusing [11:39] Humm, there is a bug against variety on LP which mentions XFCE and LXDE. So maybe it does work, just not for me [11:40] Has anyone seen any kickstarter.com/ games that can be used on Ubuntu lately ?? [11:42] bigcalm: Ubuntu cd's have the unity desktop, Xubuntu cd's have the xfce desktop it is fairly simply really [11:43] bootinfdsds, ones that are complete or ones that are currently under development? [11:43] Oh hi popey, the one's that you want to see funded most. [11:43] under devel. [11:44] dunno, directhex probably has a better knowledge of them === Johnswing is now known as Jswing [11:44] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous is popular [11:44] does he ? directhex ? [11:44] not even half way [11:44] opening... [11:44] hm? [11:45] ..but elite-dangerous is PC only, with some vague promise of other platforms if it goes over the target. That was most annoying to find out. [11:45] yeah [11:45] true [11:45] any linux definately .. games ? [11:46] einonm: where "PC" = "Windows"? [11:47] popey: I do hope that Elite's target is attainable [11:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KickstarterGames [11:47] BigRedS: I assume, as it is the common parlance for the term [11:47] I want to play that game! [11:47] someone has made a list! [11:47] bootinfdsds: broken sword when it is released [11:48] Awesome popey ! thanx. have to say Interstellar Marines: Prologue has no chance ! [11:50] Installing from LP worked [11:50] Silly USC [11:51] We're still waiting for Vessel :( [11:54] Variety also only changes the bg of one of my screens [11:54] you have a silly x setup tho :) [11:55] Humf. I have a reasonable set-up for a developer ;) [11:56] bigcalm: no you don't :P [11:56] surely proper developers don't use X? [11:56] Ug, here we go :) [11:57] Sir, You Are Being Hunted looks awesome .. from Bath no less ! [11:57] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1499900830/sir-you-are-being-hunted [11:57] bigcalm: you started it [11:59] This looked like a possibility for my need of a touch screen, annoyed that it's out of stock. http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624 [12:16] I now have it working for all 3 monitors :D [12:16] davmor2: is Alex joining us on Thursday? [12:17] bigcalm: no word from him and he isn't on irc currently well at least not in the rooms I'm in [12:17] Ok. Might find out tomorrow evening then [12:40] davmor2, Just looking at Sword Of Justice , yeah, what was that all about ? http://goo.gl/zzxSq [12:42] bootinfdsds: I have no idea I pointed you so broken sword but there kickstart is over and more than sucessful [12:42] no probs. [12:43] guess some people just use kickstarter toi make a quick buck, or try to. === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [13:36] exit [13:36] oosp [13:36] trying to close too many windows [13:48] bigcalm: and then there were 3 [14:00] andylockran: ctrl+d :) [14:11] davmor2: aye, saw the tweet. Glad that it hasn't died a complete death [14:12] davmor2: going by the lug ml, there will be a mob of 17 hungry curry eaters. I do hope Ron's reservation can cope [14:29] merci [16:02] popey: are you running raring on your thinkpad? Mine keeps shutting down claiming CPU overheating, and I'm wondering whether it's a power issue in the kernel or I need to take a hoover to its innerds... [16:03] BigRedS, 12.04 [16:03] i get it on 12.04 too [16:03] Ahh [16:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1391971/ [16:03] eesh [16:03] yeah [16:04] thats not overheat [16:04] Package power limit notification [16:04] Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled that is [16:04] AIUI [16:04] No, I've not checked any logs yet - I upgraded yesterday and I've only tried to use it today and it's off now. [16:05] alan@deep-thought:~$ dmesg | grep -c temperature\ above [16:05] 10 [16:05] not often [16:05] 16:05:10 up 7 days, 7:48, 4 users, load average: 0.93, 0.76, 0.78 [16:05] probably when playing minecraft :D [16:06] yeah, I suppose I'll have a fiddle this eve when I'm not trying to do work... [16:10] Hm, thinking about it, I had this briefly with 12.04 too [16:10] but then the disk failed and I replaced it and stuck 12.10 on it [16:46] does anyone know the reason why both Firefox and Google Chrome (inc Chromium) fail to load and display adobe flash content on web pages in ubuntu 12.04? [16:49] Also is both Firefox and google Chrome running in protected mode via the sandbox mechanism - which could be the reason why both browsers fail to play out a flash website content? [17:02] * czajkowski tickles popey [17:04] :o [17:06] brianb: no, that's not it [17:06] brianb: because it works for a lot of people [17:10] less than an hour on the steam sale [17:12] I keep seeing your recommendations when I'm not in a good place to act upon them [17:12] I did try to buy Serious Sam, but apparently I've already got it. Does that come with the beta? [17:15] well explain why chrome will not load shockwave flashplug in then [17:16] fancy starting it in a terminal and pastebinning what it outputs? [17:17] or should we just divine the reason? [17:18] brianb, got a specific example of flash content? e.g. http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ [17:18] if you have flash installed, that page will tell you [17:18] e.g. for me it says "You have version 11,2,202,251 installed" [17:19] clearly the error message displayed in the chrome browser says its not loading hence if i could load it manually then that would help with whats causing the issue [17:20] the content is the any BBC media - i.e. BBC radio 2 will not play, BBC new Live no sound or video [17:21] if i go to chrome://plugins and expand details the version for Chrome is 11.2 r202 [17:22] the same version also for firefox [17:22] brianb, what does http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ give you? [17:22] in chrome I get "You have version 11,5,31,2 installed" [17:24] in Chrome it displays the web page with no flash content - top line after the address bar the following message - could not load shockwave flash [17:24] brianb, has it ever worked on that machine? [17:25] not on the latest version of ubuntu from 10.10 or 12.04 it has worked with older versions of ubuntu [17:26] it works on windows on the same machine [17:26] the machine has multi boot [17:27] and i have some space to instal other linux distos [17:27] is it a 64-bit install of ubuntu? [17:27] 32 bit i belive [17:28] how can i check in termal [17:28] uname -a [17:28] does it mention i686 or x86_64 ? [17:30] no is returns i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux [17:32] 3.2.0-33 generic pae 52-Ubuntu [17:32] it mentions i686 then :) you have a 32 bit install [17:32] yes [17:33] ok [17:33] i dont download x64 only have one machine that is 64bit [17:33] thats fine, just checking what it was installed [17:34] brianb, in chrome, click the button in the top right corner, click 'about google chrome', what version does it display? mine is "Version 23.0.1271.64" [17:34] see i think for whatever reason because its not loading shockwave flash thats the problem which is related to both browser [17:35] chrome and firefox don't share the same flash, which makes this very odd [17:36] version 23.0.1271.91 [17:37] * popey updates his chrome [17:38] I just feel like mentioning that I officially want to stab Santander in the face [17:38] tis the season to be randomly freezing my bank account every 5 minutes \o/ [17:38] \o/ [17:38] good times [17:38] ok so when you access a web site with flash content there must be a trigger that launches a file to activate the flash plug in [17:38] indeed [17:38] Azelphur: fala-lalala-lala-la-la indeed. [17:39] daftykins: I filed a complaint, they sent me a text to say the complaint was registered, then 5 minutes later another one saying the complaint had been closed. [17:39] :@ [17:39] :o [17:39] with no action taken? just ignored [17:39] seems so, yes. [17:39] brianb: sure, the browser loads the plugin, and the chrome method for doing so is entirely different to the firefox method [17:39] daftykins: Oi no! none of that till the first sighting of the coke advert happens [17:40] brianb: did you try starting chrome from a terminal to see if it outputs anything interesting when it tries to load a flash object? [17:40] ok, updated to same version of chrome as brianb and it still works here [17:40] davmor2: sorry. it was in a sarcastic 'santander, you suck' way at least... [17:40] haha [17:40] yeah but within the sandbox mechanism is this which implements flash plugin? [17:41] Azelphur: does it stop web login and your cards too? [17:41] daftykins: it lets me login to the web, it completely freezes my card. [17:42] brianb, have you actively enabled anything in chrome which might disable flash? [17:42] soso how do i launch chrome from the terminal [17:42] even for 100% reputable stuff, like I can't use my debit card to pay off the balance on my credit card to use that instead *bangs head against wall* [17:42] brianb, open a terminal and type "google-chrome" [17:42] brianb: to launch chrome from the terminal first close every single chrome window and type google-chrome to restart it [17:43] i take it you mean all tabs [17:44] Azelphur: doh! i'm juggling some money around atm ahead of a house purchase, hopefully won't get any surprises :S [17:44] I mean close chrome altogether [17:44] so don't leave one chrome window on a different workspace running or something like that [17:44] daftykins: fun, I juggle BTC, so every time they do this and freeze my account like this I lose money, this one cost me ~£30 -.- [17:44] every tab, every window [17:45] BTC? [17:45] http://www.weusecoins.com/ [17:45] killall chrome [17:45] :) [17:45] ok at present i have multiple tabs so if i close chrome all tabs will close then go to the terminal and launch chrome from there [17:45] oh that jazz [17:45] is there actually any point to that? [17:45] brianb: sure, that is fine, just close chrome [17:45] i have done that and all tabs reopen [17:46] Ooh, Jonathan Corbet has just reviewed ubuntu on the Nexus7, on LWN [17:46] daftykins: instant transaction feeless anonymous decentralised currency? ...yes? [17:46] brianb: fine, now go to a flash website, and look at the terminal, is anything interesting output there? [17:46] what situations does that ever help in though? i've never read up about it [17:46] ain't no banks freezing my bitcoin wallet xD [17:46] only seen the name get thrown around IRC a lot [17:46] and still get the message - could not load shockwave flash [17:47] brianb: in the terminal window, is there any text? [17:47] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:957:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) The dmix plugin supports only playback stream [17:47] for example? [17:47] daftykins: it's extremely cheap to send money abroad using it, usually you'd have to go through western union or something which would charge you like $10, with bitcoin, USA is the same as EU pretty much. [17:47] It's also a worldwide currency, so no currency exchange fees either [17:47] Azelphur: ah ok. don't think i'd ever benefit then really [17:48] daftykins: it's also really cool, open source money, :D [17:48] well have to look at terminal [17:48] daftykins: but yea, I buy bulk chunks from miners at a low price, then sell on to people (usually via UK bank transfer) and flip a little profit in the process :D [17:48] what sort of thing am i looking for in the terminal [17:49] Azelphur: how sneaky :o [17:49] hehe [17:50] brianb: any text following your google-chrome command [17:50] I wouldn't say sneaky, I don't lie about what I'm doing, most of the miners/big traders arn't interested in dealing with amounts below £500 [17:51] * dwatkins heads home whilst it's still above freezing [17:51] right i have an ERROR:webplugin_delegate_proxy.cc(407) [17:51] oooh [17:51] that is interesting [17:52] pluginMsg_Init returned false [17:53] Could't initalize plug-in [17:53] HTTP request sent, awaiting response ..... 200 OK [17:53] BigRedS, you know you can buy games from the android/ios app, right? or any web browser [17:54] as long as you wade through the tedious device authentication, so you can get to your named email account [17:54] so it looks like the plugin is not being Initialized [17:56] yeah, but now we have a more informative error message (slightly) [17:56] nuke it and start again? :) [17:57] by "any web browser" i mean "not mobile IE, since the steamguard auth popup doesn't render properly in it" [17:57] brianb: can you close chrome then run [17:57] google-chrome --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash [17:58] and see if that makes any difference at all [17:58] can hold one sec - i am loging into xchat on the machine runing 12.04 with the problem so i can copy and past the term message if you want [18:00] would you like me to open up a personal channel so i can past the terminal msg? [18:00] use pastebin [18:00] !paste [18:00] !pastebin [18:00] i dont know about pastbin [18:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/ [18:01] brianb: you can upload any peice of text and get a link back to it that you can give to people [18:01] * jacobw hunts and kills to absent bot [18:03] ok i think i have copy and pasted the error to paste bin [18:03] now paste the page link in here [18:04] paste.ubuntu.com/1392296/ [18:08] right now going to close chrome and relaunch in terminal using the disable command [18:13] have pasted the msg which is returned after --disable-bundled-ppapi-flash [18:14] paste.ubuntu.com/1392329/ [18:15] so in each case it would appear that the ERROR is related to not being able to initialize the plug in [18:15] thats sending a crashdump to google [18:16] what does that mean [18:16] well, not really directly related to your flash issue [18:16] but chrome is sending crash data to google HQ for them to analyse [18:17] so what will be the outcome from that if any? [18:17] none directly [18:18] so really no further advance on the issue then? [18:18] no [18:19] guess if Firefox was lanuched from the terminal then it would also generate a crash report as well [18:19] nope [18:20] would any information be gleaned by launching firefox from a terminal [18:20] it might, yes [18:20] you could try firefox with a new clean profile too [18:20] shall i try it [18:20] but one thing at a time [18:21] ok give me directions [18:22] firefox -CreateProfile "test" [18:22] firefox -profile "test" [18:22] the second command will launch a clean firefox [18:23] then visit the adobe page given previously http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ [18:25] thiok have done that [18:26] so do i tye in the HTTP address in the new tab address bar or from the terminal? [18:26] address bar [18:27] ok done that [18:27] does flash load? [18:28] no but the web page displays information on downloading flash player it appears to be a different page to when i opened it up in chrome [18:28] it will be [18:28] okay, close firefox [18:28] do this in a terminal:- [18:29] sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer [18:29] and copy/paste what appears to pastebin please [18:29] there is no extra information in the terminal [18:29] ok. thanks [18:31] xbox dashboard update 0o [18:32] when the terminal has completed its script you want me to open up a browser and paste the contents into pastebin yes [18:32] yes please [18:34] paste.ubuntu.com/1392404/ [18:35] brianb, now try firefox again? [18:36] have done still no flash content [18:36] i'm installing ubuntu on toshiba laptop; got an error message and followed instructions here: [18:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair [18:37] ubuntu is still not booting so next step is to paste here the last message given by repair program: [18:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392367/ [18:38] when i try to boot message is: the disk drive for /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 is not ready yet or not present [18:38] thats just a warning [18:38] if you wait it usually passes [18:39] been there for about 10 minutes [18:39] brianb, hmm, chrisccoulson you about? any suggestion why someone can't view flash content in either chrome or ff on a machine? [18:40] popey: since that flash installer reinstalled from cache and the plugin from /tmp is it worth knocking those two out and retrying? [18:41] nah [18:41] the flashplugin itself didnt come from cache [18:41] ah [18:42] what's "Installing from local file /tmp/tmpa0_c6j.gz" ? [18:43] look at the line above [18:43] it downloads from the web to /tmp [18:44] ah, i was expecting to see that older style line by line progress, guess that's changed [18:44] i figured that was overriding the line above, nm [18:44] i have three folders in usr/lib folder for firefox, folder for firefox-addons and folder flashplugin-installer [18:46] so i think the flashplugin-installer is maybe used for chrome [18:46] no, it is not [18:46] ok [18:46] chrome has its own built-in flash plugin [18:46] which lives in /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so for me [18:47] to be precise /opt/google/chrome/PepperFlash/libpepflashplayer.so [18:47] heh [18:47] snap [18:49] directhex: yeah, it's card deails I keep misplacing [18:50] I'd love to have a poke around on your system brianb to understand how this is broken :( [18:50] i wonder if the magic command will fix it :) [18:50] brianb, in a terminal can you do this:- [18:50] sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ [18:50] note the caret on the end is important [18:51] run that and tell me if it wants to install any missing packages? [18:51] hmm what does the circumflex do? [18:51] what the magic co [18:52] where will i find the caret [18:52] found it [18:53] it installs the task, which will pull in anything missing [18:54] ok after going through a long list it ask that linix headers to be installed [18:54] do i install them? [18:55] how is that different to the meta package? [18:55] brianb, :( [18:55] thats probably not going to fix it, no [18:55] daftykins, installing the metapackage won't pull in all the dependents [18:56] oh right [18:57] i tell you what i need to take a break for a few hours so when you said you like to look at my machine you could do that remotely yes [18:57] ok, maybe later :) [18:58] so if you want to then have to set it up [18:58] its mainly used to try out various distros [18:58] but its a very intresting problem [19:00] its just bugging me why it wont work with adobe flash [19:02] me too [19:02] i guess thats why Apple dont like flash [19:02] there are many good reasons to not like flash [19:02] i'd create another user account for a laugh === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [19:05] well i must go be back around 8pm if you want to play around on the machine [19:06] ok see you brianb [19:06] can you let me know if thats ok [19:06] will do [19:06] cool [19:06] need to put kids to bed and make food [19:07] see you at 8 [19:29] my brown Jaunty Tshirt has been cut up into rags to make a "boy villager" costume [19:33] i dont think i ever got a jaunty one [19:33] oh. yes i did [19:33] _that_ one [19:33] http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=490 [19:37] i got that, but i didn't buy it... [19:38] where would i have got it from? [19:38] it's not a UDS one.. [19:39] The jaunty UDS t-shirt was the 'sports shirt'.. that i hated. :) [19:42] homeland \o/ [19:45] it's certainly no fun rocking outdated shirts [19:45] my firefox 3 shirt looks a bit ancient now [19:49] yeah, that one, the tour dates tshirt [20:12] * popey finally goes to make food [20:29] popey let me know when your free [20:30] yo [20:30] dinner in oven [20:30] so anytime :) [20:30] ok [20:30] well what to do first then [20:30] I'll write up some notes [20:30] one mo [20:31] do you want me to create a new account? [20:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1392735/ [20:41] someone want to review those instructions? [20:43] popey: Looks ok [20:45] brianb, ^^ see that paste, those are the "how to let alan look at my machine" settings [20:48] ok have opened up the paste bin as see the instuctions [20:48] so will follow the instructions and will type in here when ready ok [20:53] Ooof! [20:53] when i visit the launchpad do i do thid in the terminal or in firefox? [20:54] Seriously skype? You want 146MB of stuff to work? [20:54] brianb, que? [20:54] daubers, 146MB of 32-bit goodness on a 64-bit box? [20:55] popey: Unfortunatley so [20:55]