| rick_h_ | interesting https://twitter.com/onyxfish/status/273227612061573121 | 01:24 |
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| snap-l | Yeah, well, shipping is getting more expensive | 01:38 |
| snap-l | post office is increasing their rates | 01:38 |
| snap-l | http://www.fsf.org/givingguide | 01:44 |
| snap-l | http://bassdrops.bandcamp.com/ <- This takes fucking balls | 02:15 |
| snap-l | New episode of OMC is out, and it's an Instrumetalcast | 13:05 |
| rick_h_ | .party! | 13:07 |
| jjesse | yay for a messed up back and 800mg of ibprofen | 13:45 |
| rick_h_ | heh | 13:45 |
| rick_h_ | jjesse: is feeling good! | 13:45 |
| jjesse | not yet, still waiting to hit my system | 13:45 |
| jjesse | but soon i'll be feeling great | 13:45 |
| brousch | What'd you do to yourself? | 13:46 |
| jjesse | no idea | 13:46 |
| jjesse | probably when i was working on fixing the dryer and bent all weird | 13:46 |
| brousch | Right "fixing the dryer" | 13:46 |
| jjesse | ok i'll admit it, hurt during sex | 13:47 |
| brousch | Oh wow, an actual Python3 webapp https://bitbucket.org/cedricbonhomme/pyaggr3g470r/wiki/Home | 13:47 |
| brousch | jjesse: attaboy | 13:47 |
| snap-l | God, I fucking hate RVM | 14:26 |
| snap-l | logged in to my machine, and it wouldn't source my .bashrc because it created a .bash_profile file for me | 14:27 |
| snap-l | which didn't run because it couldn't find the .rvm directory that I deleted. | 14:27 |
| snap-l | For everything that I like about virtualenv, the exact opposite is true of RVM | 14:28 |
| snap-l | virtualenv is surgical, rvm is invasive | 14:28 |
| snap-l | virtualenv works with the developer's environment. RVM tries to take over the developer's environment | 14:29 |
| brousch | preach it, brotha | 14:32 |
| jrwren_ | its funny, i had similar complaints about virtualenv using it for the first time after having used rvm. | 14:33 |
| jrwren_ | "this virtualenv is lame, it does so little. rvm does it all for me." | 14:34 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: Different strokes, I guess. :) | 14:38 |
| snap-l | I think my biggest complaint of all is having to use curl to install it, while sourcing the resulting file | 14:38 |
| snap-l | I want to make it my life's goal to crack that system and insert something innocuous, like change the prompt of every rvm user to say "this is really fucking insecure $" | 14:39 |
| rick_h_ | and virtualenv is built into 3.3 now so it's a part of the language ftw | 14:40 |
| rick_h_ | wasn't there an alternative to rvm that was ok? | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | didn't do the cd magic and BS | 14:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: And that's another contrast: I really hope RVM is never baked into Ruby. | 14:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Outside of putting it on a virtual machine, I'm not aware of one. | 14:41 |
| snap-l | But I was getting my perennial jonesing for running Tracks, and RVM pretty much killed any enthusiasm | 14:43 |
| rick_h_ | ah rbenv but looks like no updates in a year :( | 14:43 |
| snap-l | Yeah, rbenv is pretty dead, afaict. | 14:43 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: different strokes, yes, but also I think it is a dislike of the unfamiliar. we both didn't like what was different because we didn't see (and still dont) a reason for it to be different | 15:16 |
| jrwren_ | snap-l: I've loathed the curl | bash installer for a while, but really it is not much different than a pip install | 15:17 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren_: I think sane people dislike too much magic and anything that goes and replaces cd for me is doing too much magic | 15:48 |
| rick_h_ | imo :) | 15:48 |
| snap-l | jrwren_: I really hate it when part of the install process mucks directly with my .bashrc | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Seriously, it took the liberty of adding that | 16:08 |
| snap-l | Wow, Twitter lists are incredibly clunky | 16:40 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, I don't know how people use them tbh | 17:03 |
| rick_h_ | hah, jcastro__ beat me to linking snap-l to the juju charm for tracks | 18:12 |
| jcastro__ | charm install hooks = linode install scripts. :) | 18:13 |
| snap-l | The only downside is it installs everything to the system. | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | run it in lxc containers | 18:13 |
| snap-l | which is what I was hoping to avoid. | 18:13 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that may be the better approach | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | the lxc containers in 12.10 seem a nice chunk faster than 12.04 | 18:13 |
| jcastro__ | nod | 18:14 |
| snap-l | I've not played with LXC at all. Is that the same as the openvps stuff? (or whatever Parallels was doing) | 18:14 |
| * snap-l is fuzzy on the name | 18:14 | |
| rick_h_ | sorry, don't know what parallels was doing | 18:15 |
| jcastro__ | no | 18:15 |
| jcastro__ | lxc are more like super chroots | 18:15 |
| snap-l | There was some container stuff that they did | 18:15 |
| jcastro__ | so like, containers but they share the same kernel resources | 18:15 |
| jcastro__ | so "lightweight VMs" | 18:15 |
| snap-l | ok | 18:16 |
| jcastro__ | the parallels stuff is real virtualization afaict | 18:16 |
| snap-l | There was one thing they used that was like a super chroot | 18:16 |
| jcastro__ | I am trying to get in the habit of running things in containers | 18:16 |
| snap-l | but you needed a custom kernel to make it work | 18:16 |
| jcastro__ | rick_h_, is there a write up somewhere for using LXC containers like on the fly for stuff? | 18:16 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, I setup using the launchpad docs | 18:17 |
| jcastro__ | link me up! | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC | 18:17 |
| snap-l | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LXC ? | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | so just start with the first bits | 18:17 |
| rick_h_ | meh, that seems a bit over the head to start with | 18:18 |
| snap-l | Is it compatible with Virtualbox? | 18:18 |
| snap-l | ie: is it going to make VB unhappy if I run them together? | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | go through the creating an lxc container, then just run ifconfig from inside the container and setup a host alias for the ip | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | no, I run both | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | I do all my LP dev in an lxc container, but use VBox for my windows VM | 18:19 |
| rick_h_ | I even do IE testing from my Windows VBox into my LXC container | 18:19 |
| rick_h_ | to do LP IE testing | 18:19 |
| snap-l | nice | 18:19 |
| rick_h_ | so there's a new series of lxc-XXX commands that do stuff, kind of like kvm | 18:19 |
| snap-l | OpenVZ. That's what I was thinking | 18:20 |
| jcastro__ | snap-l, Hemispheres is really great on long flights | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | but I thought juju would deploy to lxc containers and create them for you? | 18:20 |
| jcastro__ | openvz is more like kvm/xen isn't it? | 18:20 |
| jcastro__ | rick_h_, yeah, but I want to get used to using it "raw" | 18:20 |
| snap-l | It's like a kernel-blessed chroot | 18:21 |
| jcastro__ | for like, home server/laptop use when I'm messing around and not deploying charms | 18:21 |
| jcastro__ | snap-l, yeah, so basically, it's like openvz but already in the kernel | 18:21 |
| snap-l | WE used OpenVZ for hosted apps at SF.net | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | yea, when you create a container it basically copies your /bin and such out to create the new system | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | so it bootstraps the lxc from your install and then when you boot/go into it it's just like a VM | 18:21 |
| rick_h_ | you ssh to it, boot, shutdown, etc | 18:21 |
| snap-l | I quite liked openvz, save for the kernel wonkiness | 18:22 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: I can show you at CHC tomorrow if you want | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro__: long 3hr chc tomorrow. Make the trip! | 18:25 |
| snap-l | jcastro__: Definitely make the trip. I have goodies for you. | 18:27 |
| jcastro__ | I'm on a plane to vegas for the AWS conference | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | doh | 18:32 |
| rick_h_ | man, nice to get out there. I kept getting emails but $$ conference | 18:33 |
| snap-l | jcastro__: You're not actually on the plane right now, are you? :) | 18:34 |
| jcastro__ | I am | 18:34 |
| jcastro__ | inflight wifi | 18:34 |
| rick_h_ | booo, I need to ditch delta to get some of that. | 18:35 |
| jjesse | delta has in flight wifi | 18:35 |
| snap-l | jcastro__: Download the latest OMC. ;) | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | I never get that when I fly. Drives me nust | 18:35 |
| jjesse | hrmm that's weird i thought Delta has most of the flights covered w/ wifi | 18:36 |
| jjesse | i like not having internet access on a plane, gives me a chance to read and not work :) | 18:36 |
| jcastro__ | rick_h_, something like 85%+ of their fleet has it | 18:36 |
| snap-l | jjesse: That's probably for the super-special crew that spoons the pilot | 18:36 |
| jcastro__ | and that was like 2 years ago | 18:36 |
| jcastro__ | the problem now is everyone is on it, so it's slower than it used to be | 18:36 |
| snap-l | extra-special-deluxe-spooning class | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | well, now that I think about it I guess the long international flights probably don't have it due to being over ocean for the trip | 18:37 |
| jjesse | in fact i was on a regional jet between grand rapids and detroit it had wifi | 18:37 |
| jjesse | which is dumb | 18:37 |
| rick_h_ | and then the hops out of amsterdam just haven't had it for me | 18:38 |
| jjesse | yeah internet over oceans is something they are still working on it | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | so I just choose flights poorly | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | thoguh I didn't have it on my flights to/from CA last March either | 18:38 |
| snap-l | jcastro__: Maybe we could set up Big Blue Button so we can chat with you on the flight. ;) | 18:41 |
| jjesse | rick_h_, when you book a flight it will show if the flight has wifi on it | 18:41 |
| jcastro__ | snap-l, heh, I can barely IRC | 18:43 |
| snap-l | What's the default password for a lxc lucid server? | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | so if you do lxc-start it shold just give you a prompt on the machine | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | without the -d (detached/headless mode) | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | and I just set it from there, but I think it's 'ubuntu' | 18:54 |
| snap-l | It just gave me a login prompt | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | ubuntu/ubuntu? | 18:55 |
| snap-l | nope | 18:55 |
| snap-l | ubuntu/[enter] doesn't work either | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | what command did you use to create it? | 18:56 |
| snap-l | Ah, I passed it my login creds | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | ah, there you go | 18:56 |
| snap-l | OK, now I'm in | 18:56 |
| snap-l | Woah, it's using my home directory. That's odd. | 18:57 |
| snap-l | I think I passed one too many flags. ;) | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | lol, did you use that launchpad command? | 18:57 |
| snap-l | yes | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I don't do that | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, normally launchpad sits on your home dir and to help things like up it tries to mirror things | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, lxc-destory and recreate to drop some flags and get a more split machine | 18:58 |
| snap-l | Ah, nice. It caches everything. | 19:02 |
| snap-l | me likey | 19:02 |
| rick_h_ | what's cool is you can script it. So I only run my launchpad dev stuff when I need to | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | and you can make a tracks_start command to fire up the lxc | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | then hit the url for the website | 19:03 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's really handy | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | and let it fubar the container all ruby wants | 19:03 |
| rick_h_ | gets bad dump your data, lxc-destroy, and recreate | 19:03 |
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