[12:55] <benji> This looks like it might be nice: http://vojtajina.github.com/testacular/
[13:06] <gary_poster> frightening name
[13:06] <hazmat> https://github.com/yui/yeti
[13:06] <hazmat> :-)
[13:07] <hazmat> some similiarities for both.. remote control browser testing
[13:07] <hazmat> yeti has support for mocha as well
[13:09] <benji> yeti looks good too; I like the code coverage support (hopefully it can also tell you which lines were covered)
[14:15] <gary_poster> bcsaller, I'm afraid I started my review before Nicola's came in, so you'll need to do the reconsiliation
[14:15] <gary_poster> reconciliation
[14:15] <bcsaller> gary_poster: thanks, and np
[14:16] <gary_poster> welcome
[14:16] <teknico> oh, I didn't tag myself as reviewer on the card, sorry about that
[14:21] <teknico> well, should anyone feel like writing more docs, they need to know that they'll not be (left) alone in such a woeful endeavor ;-) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bcsaller/juju-gui/framework-docs/revision/261
[14:21] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:21] <bac> hey gary_poster got a sec to talk about a problem with re-rendering the picker?
[14:22] <gary_poster> Good stuff teknico, thanks
[14:22] <gary_poster> bac sure
[14:22] <gary_poster> bac juju-ui is open
[14:22] <bac> k
[14:39] <benji> gary_poster: I did a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~bjornt/lp2kanban/bugs-to-cards/+merge/135909; but I think that's it for me today.  I'm going to have to bow out.
[14:40] <benji> I'll be checking email and IRC periodically.
[14:43] <gary_poster> ok benji.  feel better and thanks for review
[15:00] <gary_poster> Hey Makyo.  Would you be amenable to moving the regular daily meeting time to half an hour earlier?  I have a conflict with the current time every other Wednesday (including today :-P )
[15:00] <gary_poster> I ask you first because it is closest to your starting time
[15:00] <Makyo> That's fine.
[15:00] <gary_poster> cool thank you
[15:01] <Makyo> Will be having the window guys come in a few to do proper measurements, but they should be out by then.  Said 5 minutes.
[15:02] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban goodspud hazmat jovan2 teknico, I'm moving the daily meeting time half an hour earlier unless you all object.  I have a conflict with the current time every other Wednesday.  Please lemme know if this is OK or not.  I want to make the change today, since I have a conflict today.
[15:02] <goodspud> It's fine with me
[15:02] <bac> k
[15:02] <gary_poster> (that will mean that the call is in 28 minutes, not 58)
[15:02] <gary_poster> thx
[15:03] <jovan2> ok with me
[15:03] <teknico> that's ok
[15:04] <frankban> ok
[15:05] <gary_poster> thanks everyone.  that only leaves bcsaller, hazmat and benji.  hazmat and benji are not around, so I will optimistically make the change now.
[15:05] <bcsaller> oh, its fine with me
[15:05] <goodspud> Makyo, I've noticed a vastly different rendering quality of the GUI between Chrome (great) and Firefox (poop). Has this been noticed before or raised as a bug?
[15:05] <gary_poster> :-) thanks bcsaller 
[15:06] <gary_poster> goodspud, heh, you should have seen FF before Makyo did magic spells on it.  Seriously.  Unusable.
[15:06] <Makyo> goodspud, Yes, it's an incremental change process on that.  It's still better than it was, and hopefully it'll get better still.
[15:06] <Makyo> It was....awful.
[15:06] <gary_poster> yeah :-)
[15:07] <goodspud> I have full confidence in you
[15:07] <goodspud> :)
[15:08] <goodspud> Stoopid browser compatibility issues. Why can't they all just get along!
[15:09] <Makyo> goodspud, yeah.  It's all FF internals, too, which is disappointing.  It's like they don't even care! :)
[15:12] <gary_poster> hey bcsaller, I'm thinking of moving "the topology/service prototype" card to Done-done.  Maybe the deliverable was the reviews?
[15:13] <bcsaller> gary_poster: that makes sense to me
[15:13] <gary_poster> cool
[15:14] <gary_poster> Hey Makyo, any way we can see those UX check cards moved by the time we start our call?  I'm happy to make anything I can do to help my top priority :-)
[15:15] <gary_poster> I see one card move of happiness...
[15:15] <goodspud> gary_poster, speaking of "cards", any chance I could get access to the Kanban board again? Do we have enough licences? 
[15:15] <gary_poster> goodspud, oh, good question.  I'll start and get back to you
[15:15] <goodspud> gary_poster, chur bru (he says with a kiwi accent)
[15:16] <gary_poster> lol
[15:16] <Makyo> gary_poster, Yeah, sorry, spaced that in my haste.  mattuk1972 (or if goodspud is willing/able/etc), willing to take a look at something really quick?
[15:17] <mattuk1972> makyo, sure
[15:17] <goodspud> Makyo, free and willing
[15:17] <goodspud> I'm sitting next to mattuk1972 so we can look together
[15:17] <Makyo> Cool
[15:17] <mattuk1972> aww
[15:17] <gary_poster> heh
[15:18] <Makyo> I made a subordinate on http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/ and added relations.  The branch allows you to click the relation indicator to keep those relations visible, so you can drag stuff around and clarify or whatever.
[15:18] <Makyo> jovan2 was okay with the interaction, but wanted to clarify that the indicator change (text to blue, bold, italics) was enough of an indicator of a toggle, or should we do something different?
[15:21] <gary_poster> goodspud, you should have access using your previous credentials.  You still know what they are?
[15:21] <goodspud> gary_poster... um... let me try
[15:21] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:22] <goodspud> gary_poster. Sorted
[15:25] <gary_poster> awesome goodspud 
[15:26] <goodspud> Thank you
[15:26] <goodspud> And Makyo, we are discussing your question.... please hold caller.
[15:27] <Makyo> goodspud, *smoothjazz*
[15:28] <gary_poster> heh
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji (probably not) frankban goodspud hazmat (probably not) jovan2 Makyo mattuk1972 teknico call in 2, or once I get back from restarting my computer...
[15:47] <bac> teknico: that's a cool site
[15:47] <teknico> bac, it is, isn't it? :-)
[15:48] <teknico> adrian is a frickin' genius :-)
[15:49] <bac> teknico: have you annotated any?
[15:50] <teknico> bac, not yet, I discovered it yesterday
[15:50] <teknico> bac, http://www.holovaty.com/writing/soundslice/
[15:55] <Makyo> bcsaller or gary_poster - Should I look into starting one of the component framework cards, or stick with story 1?
[15:55] <Makyo> (I ask because I don't have much experience with charming, though I suppose there's no time like the present)
[15:56] <bcsaller> Makyo: its still a little too soon I think, I'd like to land the doc and then talk through the plan
[15:56] <Makyo> bcsaller, alright
[15:57] <teknico> gary_poster, I'm looking at working on #1074425, any chance of an intro to the subject?
[15:57] <_mup_> Bug #1074425: Make charm turn off console and any other debug code <deploy-story> <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074425 >
[15:58] <gary_poster> Makyo, maybe you could pair with teknico on that one?
[15:59] <gary_poster> teknico, Makyo I can talk in half an hour
[15:59] <gary_poster> I have a mtg in 1
[15:59] <Makyo> Alright
[15:59] <teknico> gary_poster, ok, thanks
[16:17] <goodspud> Makyo, you free for a chat? Hangout is currently free
[16:17] <Makyo> goodspud, Yep, hopping on
[16:28] <gary_poster> Makyo, lemme know when you are off call and I'll start one with you and teknico 
[16:28] <Makyo> Free.
[16:28] <gary_poster> cool.  teknico you available?
[16:28] <teknico> I am
[16:28] <gary_poster> Makyo, teknico, to the juju-ui batcave!
[16:42] <teknico> frankban, care to come up to the juju-ui room for a little while?
[16:43] <frankban> teknico: joining
[16:54] <frankban> Makyo, teknico: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1394865/
[16:54] <teknico> frankban, thanks
[17:36] <teknico> Makyo, what do you see at https://enigma.admin.canonical.com/ ? :-)
[17:36] <Makyo> teknico, nothing :P  I'm talking with IS about it.  Plowing through the source of the charm meanwhile.
[17:37] <Makyo> teknico, I should have access, but don't.  They're on it.
[17:37] <teknico> Makyo, oh, so you're on it already, great
[17:37] <teknico> Makyo, I see a Django 404 page with DEBUG = True :-)
[17:38] <Makyo> Whups :)
[18:04] <Makyo> teknico, ping (if you're still around; will email otherwise)
[18:04] <teknico> Makyo, yep, still here
[18:05] <Makyo> teknico, There's already a config/config.js.template in the charm, it looks like.  If we go the JSON route, we'll have to take that into account.
[18:06] <teknico> Makyo, oh right, we're using templating right now to generate it
[18:06] <teknico> good catch
[19:40] <gary_poster> Makyo, everything going ok?  Please feel free to ping me if you think it might help
[19:43] <Makyo> gary_poster, going well, doing some testing with JSON stuff.  I do have a question, though; should I land the bzr file check branch from yesterday, or wait for input when benji's feeling better?  It's a slack task, so no biggie.
[19:44] <gary_poster> Makyo, land it IMO.  I think he will like it, and if not he can file a bug :-)
[19:44] <Makyo> gary_poster, alright :)
[19:51] <Makyo> gary_poster, also, IS is working on getting me set up with canonistack.  I should be, but am not, somehow; the scheduled downtime window was in the way.
[19:51] <gary_poster> Makyo, :-/ ok.  You are doing ok with LXC/EC2?
[19:52] <Makyo> gary_poster, I don't have an EC2 acct yet, trying with LXC currently
[19:52] <gary_poster> ok.  slow
[19:52] <Makyo> Yeah :/
[20:32] <bac> gary_poster: did you hear any more from gmb about kanban and blueprints?  i did not.
[20:32] <gary_poster> me either bac
[20:54] <bac> hey gary_poster, for a charm, when does the is_subordinate property get fleshed out?
[20:54] <gary_poster> no idea bac.  bcsaller ^^^ ?
[20:54] <bac> my filter is not working as is_subordinate is undefined for all charms when the charm panel renders the results from the charm store
[20:55] <bac> for some this is provably wrong (eg rsyslog-forwarder)
[20:55] <gary_poster> oh
[20:55] <gary_poster> nm bcsaller 
[20:55] <gary_poster> I thought this was in the charm
[20:55] <bcsaller> np
[20:55] <bac> -on- the charm
[20:55] <gary_poster> bac, one sec lemme look
[20:56] <gary_poster> this may end up being more complicated than you had hoped :-/
[20:57] <gary_poster> bac, I think a call may be in order.  juju-ui?
[20:58] <bac> k
[21:19] <gary_poster> hazmat, you around?  bac and I have some charm store search questions for you
[21:20] <hazmat> gary_poster, shoot
[21:20] <gary_poster> hazmat, could you join juju-ui?
[21:20] <hazmat> inbound
[21:31] <gary_poster> bug 1084256
[21:31] <_mup_> Bug #1084256: Please include subordinate flag in search results <charmworld:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084256 >
[21:32] <gary_poster> bug 1084257
[21:32] <_mup_> Bug #1084257: Allow queries on whether a charm is subordinate <charmworld:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1084257 >
[21:38] <hazmat> bac, gary_poster subordinate:true is live
[21:40] <gary_poster> hazmat cool thanks.  Works nicely.  the subordinate flag in search results is the immediate blocker
[21:40] <hazmat> gary_poster, 10m
[21:40] <gary_poster> awesome thanks
[21:44] <hazmat> gary_poster, bac subordinate in results is live
[21:44] <hazmat> field only present if true
[21:45] <gary_poster> hazmat looks great to me.  Thank you!
[21:45] <hazmat> np
[21:58] <gary_poster> bcsaller, you available for a quick call to check up on both of our progress?
[21:58] <bcsaller> yeah
[21:59] <gary_poster> bcsaller, juju-ui is open
[22:23] <gary_poster> night all