| TheDrums | apachelogger: Did you actually need a ubot*? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| apachelogger | no | 00:02 |
| Riddell | don't we? | 00:02 |
| Riddell | who will do the !ninjas and bug 123 foo? | 00:02 |
| apachelogger | we did not, we do generally though :P | 00:03 |
| Pj__ | Heya, greetings everyone! Out of curiosity, as I am not sure if I should stay with 12.04 or upgrade to 12.10 and didn't find any information on this on the web: Are there plans to update KDE SC (including e.g. kdevelop) to 4.10 or beyond in 12.04? | 00:29 |
| apachelogger | not really | 00:38 |
| apachelogger | traditionally we only backport KDE SC +1 | 00:39 |
| apachelogger | so 12.04 gets 4.9, 12.10 gets 4.11 etc. | 00:39 |
| Pj__ | ah ok, thanks a lot! | 00:42 |
| shadeslayer | havent seen SteveRiley after UDS slot | 02:07 |
| shadeslayer | *a lot | 02:07 |
| shadeslayer | gosh, silly autocomplete | 02:07 |
| shadeslayer | anyway, I hope we didn't scare him off :-) | 02:08 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: in here : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental | 02:12 |
| shadeslayer | I will upload sometime today ... probably after lunch ... just want to make sure I didn't miss anything | 02:14 |
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| Riddell | Blizzz and anyone: how's this message for people running owncloud on precise when they upgrade? http://ec2-50-19-40-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ | 10:19 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: digikam uploaded | 10:26 |
| Riddell | yay | 10:26 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: i've never seen that message. this upgrade to or from precise? | 10:28 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: well I just wrote the message | 10:28 |
| Riddell | it's an update for people using owncloud 3 in precise to remove the insecure owncloud 3 | 10:28 |
| Blizzz | ah, i see | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: add link to reference of the security issue (security notification, bug report, something) and I'd be happy with it (: | 10:30 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: I'm not sure owncloud has a maintained list of security issues, they just say to upgrade to the latest | 10:30 |
| Riddell | which alas can't be done for precise | 10:31 |
| Blizzz | maybe pointers that config file (and db) is also kept? you could also point to the OBS repository where packages for *buntu are provided as well and are always up to date. | 10:31 |
| shadeslayer | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/4:3.0.0~beta3-0ubuntu1 | 10:31 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ | 10:31 |
| Blizzz | security advisories can be found here: http://owncloud.org/security/advisories/ | 10:32 |
| * Riddell types | 10:33 | |
| Riddell | Blizzz, Tm_T: how's this? http://ec2-50-19-40-243.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ | 10:42 |
| Blizzz | looks good | 10:43 |
| Tm_T | +1 | 10:43 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: you had an issue yesterday? | 11:56 |
| Riddell | ScottK: owncloud removal bug 1079150 | 11:57 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: an issue with ? | 11:57 |
| Riddell | dunno I remember you asking something and nobody replying | 11:57 |
| dantti_laptop | ah my co worker that didn't had oxygen in his available options? | 11:57 |
| dantti_laptop | it was quite odd, he had the same oxygen packages that I do but still it was not available as a theme | 11:58 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: as a widget theme? | 11:58 |
| dantti_laptop | besides that his vpn only worked on cinnamon | 11:58 |
| dantti_laptop | yup | 11:58 |
| Riddell | maybe qt isn't picking up the path for plugins from kde | 12:00 |
| Riddell | it should be listed in ~/.config/Trolltech.conf | 12:01 |
| dantti_laptop | hmm ok, he is not here right now, once he arives I'll take a look at that path | 12:02 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: btw I think "This package is part of the KDE education module." is wrong, I think graphics module would be better | 12:45 |
| dantti_laptop | for colord-kde... | 12:45 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: doh, looks like a copy and paste error | 12:46 |
| Riddell | it's not part of any module is it? it's extragear? | 12:46 |
| dantti_laptop | it's in playground | 12:47 |
| dantti_laptop | I think it might end in extragear /graphics | 12:48 |
| dantti_laptop | since there is the oyranos alternative and it doesn't seem one of the two will be elected as default of KDE so soon | 12:48 |
| dantti_laptop | tho colord is currently the default of every gnome distro out there.. | 12:49 |
| jussi01-nom | Hrm, I think I just found a small Kontact bug that could fit in agateau's extra bits bug thing... | 12:49 |
| jussi01-nom | The checking for attachments words should not include quoted text... | 12:50 |
| dantti_laptop | only distro that I think ships oyranos is openSUSE KDE spin, but they already have packages for colord-kde and as the gnome version uses colord I think they might drop oyranos as well | 12:51 |
| oy | dantti_laptop: where do you havethese informations from? | 12:52 |
| dantti_laptop | I'd love to see the oyranos guy helping to get the colord-kcm module improved, but doesn't look like this will ever happen.. | 12:52 |
| dantti_laptop | oy: which one? | 12:52 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 12:52 |
| dantti_laptop | oy: from opensuse it's just expeculation.. | 12:52 |
| oy | Oyranos is only distributed in openSUSE KDE spin | 12:52 |
| dantti_laptop | right so I'm not wrong :P | 12:53 |
| dantti_laptop | that's what I knew about it.. | 12:53 |
| oy | that's plain wrong, you speculate nothing else :-( | 12:53 |
| dantti_laptop | I did, there are no fedora packages, nor ubuntu, debian... | 12:53 |
| oy | wrong | 12:54 |
| dantti_laptop | at least I could not find any official one | 12:54 |
| oy | one can google and will find packages for them | 12:54 |
| oy | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/package-announce/2012-April/079351.html | 12:56 |
| dantti_laptop | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=oyranos no result, http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=oyranos no result | 12:56 |
| dantti_laptop | odd I searched for a fedora package some time ago but could not find it.. | 12:57 |
| oy | ok, not officially in debian, but I am working on that to get solved | 12:57 |
| dantti_laptop | oy: a shame we didn't met in person, I don't believe we would be able to get rid of this oyranos vs colord but maybe sharing some ideas.. :) | 13:01 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, we (Oyranos + OpenICC) have invested quite some work on concepts, code and popularisation of colour management on Linux with quite projects near to KDE | 13:01 |
| dantti_laptop | I undestand that, unfurtunately I believe it would be the default on instalations if you have targettered gnome first (not that I like the idea but it's true) | 13:03 |
| oy | so the question is more of, why do colord-kde peple try to bite Oyranos so often | 13:03 |
| * oy wonders to read that in a KDE dedicated channel | 13:03 | |
| dantti_laptop | I'm not trying to bite Oyranos, I just think that since imo colord got a broader acception joining forces would be nicer.. | 13:05 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, that might have been a interessting discussion on the CM hackfest in Brno | 13:06 |
| dantti_laptop | like colord-kde kcm could really use your skills and have those nice graphics that the gnome version has | 13:06 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, colord is just a simple DB backend | 13:07 |
| dantti_laptop | sure, and imo that's all I need | 13:07 |
| oy | why not work on merging the DB access? | 13:07 |
| dantti_laptop | complex things easly break | 13:07 |
| oy | with a joined DB, colord-kde and KolorManager would interface the same stuff | 13:08 |
| dantti_laptop | sure, but then it's just dumb to have two interfaces... | 13:09 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, richard (the author of colrod) stated it is a very simple daemon | 13:09 |
| dantti_laptop | I can't think of why it shouldn't be a very simple daemon.. | 13:10 |
| oy | hm, Oyranos does a lot more then colord: http://www.oyranos.org/features/ | 13:10 |
| oy | I code since quite some years photography and colour related stuff | 13:11 |
| dantti_laptop | it does, but pratically what does really matter? why apple designers don't care of not having complex settings for different ICC sets? | 13:11 |
| oy | apple does behind the scenes a lot, but they are criticised as well | 13:12 |
| dantti_laptop | I really believe you have more knowledge on the matter than me, but I like things simple | 13:13 |
| oy | colord-kde copys the "No option is a good option" approach from Gnome to KDE | 13:13 |
| dantti_laptop | I don't see what extra options are actually usefull on the normal day use.. | 13:14 |
| dantti_laptop | if it was a killer feature I bet richard would have added | 13:14 |
| oy | there are others around who need some of those options for their dayly to work | 13:14 |
| oy | that is assumption, fact is colord lacks a lot of useful features we have in Oyranos explored and implemented | 13:15 |
| oy | part of that now goes into the KDE desktop -> KWin + colour managed printing in Krita | 13:16 |
| mikhas | "No option is a good option" is a flawed understanding of "options increase maintenance". And whether the options are available directly in the application UI or in dconf-editor is entirely besides the point. | 13:16 |
| dantti_laptop | for example the policy thing, look at power-devil, it got much better once it droped this complexibility... | 13:17 |
| oy | mikhas: the piont is, there is no excuse for lack of certain options | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | now there's anew word ":) | 13:17 |
| oy | *point | 13:18 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, policies in Oyranos are simply a set of options, no complexity involved | 13:19 |
| mikhas | oy, I agree, it's just really really difficult to find the balance between "no options" and "so much flexibility that all development effort just goes into making sure all the options work" | 13:20 |
| dantti_laptop | it's complex since you open the kcm module and don't know what to do | 13:20 |
| dantti_laptop | the important thing is assigning an ICC profile to a device and that's not explicity on the first page | 13:21 |
| dantti_laptop | mikhas: or that the user understand that | 13:21 |
| dantti_laptop | oy: we will then discuss UI design... | 13:21 |
| oy | mikhas: typical non needed options sorts out with time, (as long as they do not bit rot) | 13:22 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, Oyranos has developed concepts, that only expert user need to look at the KolorManager UI | 13:23 |
| oy | on the opposite, colord and thus colord-kde fully require, that all users have to understand CM and use the UI | 13:24 |
| dantti_laptop | if only experts should be using KM how are they supposed to calibrate the UI? | 13:24 |
| BluesKaj | I'm amazed the word "functionality" hasn't crept into this discussion yet :>) | 13:24 |
| dantti_laptop | or switch between profiles? | 13:24 |
| oy | BluesKaj, discussion is good | 13:24 |
| dantti_laptop | sure, I just had an idea of improvement for colord-kde :P | 13:25 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, experts can do that and that is fine, np | 13:25 |
| BluesKaj | oy , no doubt , but i was just trying to lighten things up some | 13:25 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, but normal users are not interessted of CM and should not | 13:26 |
| dantti_laptop | I don't think they shouldn't care | 13:26 |
| * oy kindly understands BluesKaj | 13:26 | |
| dantti_laptop | it's so nice to see my monitors looking the same | 13:26 |
| dantti_laptop | tho I don't do any painting/photo related stuff | 13:26 |
| oy | dantti_laptop, anyway, there are different concepts and approaches, I do not see that my ideas would get a chance in a colord only world | 13:27 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: I'm updating owncloud 4.0.7 in ubuntu 12.10, do you know why webodf was removed from the tar? | 13:27 |
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| dantti_laptop | oy: well, lot's of debian developers said the same thing about packagekit 4 years ago, no debconf support, no media change, no way of showing which packages would be removed during an installation... | 13:30 |
| dantti_laptop | I persisted and solved all the issues... | 13:30 |
| dantti_laptop | richard might say no at first but not because he doesn't like the feature, but maily the way it's implemented.. | 13:30 |
| dantti_laptop | maybe it's worth looking at all the features you actually think it's usefull and discuss those | 13:31 |
| dantti_laptop | in the end sharing code would mean easier to maintain... | 13:32 |
| oy | the other way around, what would you convince to use KolorManager / Oyranos? | 13:32 |
| oy | agreed | 13:32 |
| dantti_laptop | oy: what would convince me to use oyranos it's a hard question since all I like is to see my monitor color corrected, but if the kwin patch worked well upstream that would be a plus, tho afaik it will just use that X atom so colord would still fit.. | 13:35 |
| dantti_laptop | two things I miss in colord-kde are profile graphics and the calibration tool enterily in qt/kde, the latter is on it's way, the former I'm too busy to do right now.. | 13:36 |
| dantti_laptop | but last time I checked you only had one graph, also Apple has those graphs in 3D quite cool :P | 13:36 |
| oy | correct, the ICC Profile in X spec is nicely shared | 13:36 |
| oy | G-C-M reuses my code from ICC Examin for 3D profile views | 13:37 |
| oy | with ICC Examin being installed that is used in KolorManager a button click away | 13:37 |
| oy | you can use that too in colord-kde, but oh, ICC Examin uses extensively Oyranos | 13:38 |
| * oy needs to leave for food now | 13:40 | |
| Blizzz | Riddell: tbh no | 13:57 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: in 4.0.9 it is included, part of files_odfviewer app | 13:59 |
| dantti_laptop | Riddell: it seems there's no colord-kde-dbg, is that expected? there is one bug report in LP that I have no clue without a BT.. I actually never saw a kded crash because of it.. | 14:01 |
| Riddell | dantti_laptop: -dbg packages are from debian and have to be manually maintained, ubuntu has also -dbgsym packages that get made automatically | 14:04 |
| Riddell | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash | 14:04 |
| Riddell | deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com quantal main restricted universe multiverse | 14:05 |
| Riddell | should be the magic line | 14:05 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: that's just the compiled version, the src has disappeared | 14:06 |
| Riddell | was apps/files_odfviewer/src in 4.0.7 | 14:06 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: maybe frank split it off, I will ask him | 14:09 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: thanks, means we can't ship it since it doesn't have source code | 14:14 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: while i'm waiting for his answer, doesn't it make more sense to go directly to 4.0.9 or is it not possible? | 14:16 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: for simplicity I was wanting to stay in sync with debian which is 4.0.8+patches and I think it's equivalent to 4.0.9 | 14:18 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: I'm asking Thomas Mueller what his plans are for 4.5 in debian | 14:19 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: presumably 4.5 is the current stable? | 14:19 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: is Thomas Mueller an owncloud inc dude? | 14:19 |
| Riddell | Blizzz: got an answer from thomas on the webodf issue | 14:23 |
| Riddell | "The full sources from git have been removed as from my point of view the unminified javascript | 14:23 |
| Riddell | is enough to fulfill the requirement to change the code. " | 14:23 |
| Riddell | hmm not sure I agree, it might not be competely minified but there's no white space in there | 14:24 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: yes, Thomas is the right place to ask, Frank just pointed me to him as well. He is a community member and does really a lot for us. | 14:24 |
| Blizzz | Riddell: the only problem with minified js is that it's hardly readable, but should be effectively the same as the original | 14:27 |
| Blizzz | i'd have also my doubts about it being good enough as src | 14:28 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did someone accept owncloud already? | 15:27 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: hum it got rejected | 16:56 |
| Riddell | "This upload queue does not permit SECURITY uploads." | 16:57 |
| Riddell | there must be a secret to uploading to quantal-security I'm not aware of | 16:57 |
| Riddell | ScottK: but owncloud still in queue for precise and oneiric | 17:45 |
| Riddell | rbelem: this git thing has defeated me | 18:12 |
| rbelem | Riddell: :-D | 18:12 |
| Riddell | rbelem: how do I get this diff? https://github.com/rbelem/icecream/commit/ef289875f2ce20801b44acc35d0e9a6c117e1804 | 18:13 |
| Riddell | or can you just give me the new .orig.tar and .debian.tar ? | 18:13 |
| rbelem | Riddell: i will give you the .orig.tar and .debian.tar | 18:13 |
| rbelem | one second | 18:13 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: will you upstrem the changes? | 18:35 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: (icecream) | 18:36 |
| rbelem | danimo_: yup | 18:36 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: great :) | 18:36 |
| * danimo_ is Upstream | 18:36 | |
| rbelem | danimo_: awesome :-D | 18:36 |
| rbelem | danimo_: me and ragner, coworker, are working to make icecream build android | 18:37 |
| rbelem | danimo_: we already got it compiling, we are polishing the patches | 18:38 |
| rbelem | he already sent two | 18:38 |
| rbelem | that were merged already | 18:38 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: cool | 18:39 |
| rbelem | danimo_: we built android from cold build in 16 min | 18:40 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: seen it, coolo did it | 18:40 |
| rbelem | :-D | 18:40 |
| danimo_ | rbelem: nice! | 18:40 |
| rbelem | Riddell: i'm adding more changes that i made | 18:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Only the security team can upload to security. | 18:51 |
| Riddell | yeah just read it | 18:52 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:52 |
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| ronnoc | shadeslayer: Ping | 19:01 |
| Elv1313 | Hi, I get floods of email saying that my packages doesn't install on Ubuntu 12.10. I can confirm this. Look like kdelibs5 package name changed | 19:14 |
| Elv1313 | Is there a backward compatible way to keep a single "debian" directory for all debian/ubuntu versions? | 19:15 |
| xnox | Depends: foo | bar | 19:15 |
| xnox | if bar got renamed to foo | 19:15 |
| Elv1313 | Out build system automagically push on launchpad, but does not seem to support different packages for different distros | 19:15 |
| xnox | sure it does. | 19:16 |
| Elv1313 | s/out/our | 19:16 |
| xnox | ah ok. | 19:16 |
| xnox | Elv1313: so use | for or. | 19:16 |
| xnox | Elv1313: Build-Depends: foo | bar | 19:16 |
| Elv1313 | so kdelibs5 | kdelibs5-data? | 19:16 |
| Elv1313 | https://projects.savoirfairelinux.com/projects/sflphone/repository/revisions/master/entry/tools/build-system/launchpad/sflphone-client-kde/debian/control | 19:17 |
| xnox | Elv1313: that looks wrong. as both packages exist since forever. | 19:18 |
| Elv1313 | "kdelibs5" is not in Ubuntu anymore | 19:18 |
| Elv1313 | it is there only if you upgraded early in the dev cycle, somehow | 19:19 |
| Elv1313 | I guess it is why the packages seem to work for existing users, but not those with clean install | 19:19 |
| xnox | somebody who knows kdelibs5 should suggest what's the correct dependency | 19:20 |
| Elv1313 | I guess it is kdelibs5-data | 19:20 |
| Riddell | Elv1313: it shouldn't have to depend on any library | 19:22 |
| Riddell | they'll get added in magically by the ${shlibs:Depends} | 19:22 |
| Elv1313 | ok, cool, those packages are old | 19:22 |
| Riddell | so just remove "libqt4-dbus, kdelibs5, kdepimlibs5," | 19:22 |
| Elv1313 | Riddell: While you are there, I should merge my Umbrello branches as soon as the git is official | 19:23 |
| Elv1313 | So I got 5 branches so far | 19:23 |
| Elv1313 | I spent the last few weeks rewrting and rebasing them on top of what is now the umbrello-soc and thunk hybrid | 19:23 |
| Riddell | hum, I realise I've no idea how the git transition is getting on | 19:24 |
| Elv1313 | I spoke to the student working on git, he should be done soon | 19:24 |
| Riddell | thanks | 19:24 |
| Elv1313 | speak to darknight_ on #kde-git, he is there often | 19:24 |
| Elv1313 | the rules for most of kdesdk seem to be ready | 19:25 |
| rbelem | Riddell: where should i send the files? | 20:25 |
| ScottK | OK, so I fixed the qreal/double issues (so far) in cantor on armhf, but then I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1395372/ now. Suggestions? | 21:13 |
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| rbelem | Riddell: http://media.rbelem.info/icecc_0.9.8~git2012111901-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz | 21:43 |
| rbelem | Riddell: http://media.rbelem.info/icecc_0.9.8~git2012111901.orig.tar.bz2 | 21:44 |
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