| cqfd93 | Hi Everybody! | 16:05 |
|---|---|---|
| hannie | hey cqfd93 | 16:05 |
| hannie | are you one of our authors, editors or translators? | 16:05 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, I used nl.po to generate the Dutch manual (precise) | 16:05 |
| hannie | is cqfd93 a nick for carsten? | 16:06 |
| cqfd93 | oh sorry ! I'm Sylvie Gallet (French translator) | 16:06 |
| hannie | ah, nice to meet you | 16:06 |
| cqfd93 | nice to meet you, too :-) | 16:06 |
| hannie | the name of my neighbour is Gallet (Lucien et Simone) | 16:06 |
| cqfd93 | French names | 16:07 |
| hannie | cqfd93, did you get the index in the Dutch version of the manual? | 16:07 |
| cqfd93 | Gallet is a very common name in France | 16:07 |
| hannie | I live in France | 16:07 |
| cqfd93 | I was about to talk to you about the index | 16:07 |
| cqfd93 | where in France? | 16:08 |
| hannie | ok, did you get it? | 16:08 |
| hannie | quarante six | 16:08 |
| hannie | Lot | 16:08 |
| cqfd93 | ye, I got the index, but there are some problems, and like in the French manual, no links | 16:08 |
| hannie | ok, I just wrote to Kevin about it. When the index is ok we are ready to publish the Dutch version | 16:09 |
| cqfd93 | lot: nice area! | 16:09 |
| hannie | and you (fr)? | 16:09 |
| hannie | Which links do you mean? | 16:10 |
| cqfd93 | I wanted to see if you had the same problem we're having with the "Debien" index entry | 16:10 |
| cqfd93 | Living near Parin | 16:10 |
| cqfd93 | for the links, the page numbers just appear black regular numbers, they don't link to the pages | 16:11 |
| hannie | Have you installed texlive 2012? | 16:11 |
| cqfd93 | yes | 16:11 |
| cqfd93 | My texlive install is up to date | 16:11 |
| hannie | I installed it today (I had 2011), but the index doesn't show | 16:12 |
| YoBoY | cqfd93, hannie I talk with kevin the other day about these links in the index, he deactivated them for now | 16:12 |
| YoBoY | > YoBoY: Ah, that's not a bug per se. | 16:13 |
| YoBoY | > YoBoY: The hyperref package (which provides the links) and the xindy program (which handles the indexing), aren't completely compatible. | 16:13 |
| hannie | hey YoBoY , so that may be the problem | 16:13 |
| cqfd93 | Hi YoBoY! | 16:13 |
| YoBoY | bonjour :) | 16:13 |
| hannie | well, if Kevin awakes, he will answer my email | 16:14 |
| cqfd93 | The Dutch translation has another problem: they translated all of the see| and seealso| (these should remain in English) | 16:14 |
| hannie | ay, cqfd93 I'll have to fix that | 16:15 |
| hannie | I am going to have a look right now | 16:15 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, after you fix that, you will probably have another error caused by "Debian|seealso{Linux}" | 16:16 |
| hannie | gotit, I am going to fix it straightaway (I never noticed ;) ) | 16:17 |
| YoBoY | and I asked on launchpad mailing list and on a french LaTeX mailing list how to deal with our nbsp problems with the best flexibility :) | 16:17 |
| YoBoY | seems Launchpad can't help us on that | 16:17 |
| hannie | what is nbsp? | 16:18 |
| YoBoY | non breaking space | 16:18 |
| hannie | ok | 16:18 |
| YoBoY | we use them a lot in French typography :) | 16:18 |
| cqfd93 | hannie: you can temporarily replace it with "Debian" but the index entry will show two page numbers instead of just page 6 | 16:19 |
| hannie | Should they be added to the clo file? | 16:19 |
| hannie | nbsp I mean | 16:19 |
| hannie | cqfd93, I'll do that too | 16:19 |
| cqfd93 | ok, hope it helps! | 16:20 |
| hannie | I will let you know | 16:20 |
| cqfd93 | ok | 16:20 |
| YoBoY | hannie, there is already nbsp, it's just they cause some bugs with the tools we use. It's for now fixed, but it's not clean enought. It's why I try to find a better way to deal with them :) | 16:23 |
| hannie | right, thanks for explaining | 16:23 |
| hannie | cqfd93, I have fixed the see/seealso. Before I test, should I replace Linux with Debian? | 16:26 |
| hannie | "Debian|seealso{Debian}" | 16:26 |
| hannie | I could also use # to leave it out for the moment | 16:27 |
| cqfd93 | Just replace it with "Debian" | 16:29 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, did you update hyperref 6.83m as it was required a few days ago for revision 168 in quantal and rev 123 in precise? | 16:30 |
| manualbot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/123 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 123 | 16:30 |
| hannie | the first link gives me "Not found" | 16:32 |
| hannie | the second also | 16:32 |
| YoBoY | don't trust the bot :) | 16:33 |
| hannie | No, they are just machines ;) | 16:33 |
| YoBoY | he can only give links for the focus branch and it's raring now | 16:33 |
| hannie | in revision 123 (Precise-e2) I see % Hyperref options for print/screen versions | 16:36 |
| hannie | %\RequirePackage{ccicons}% Creative Commons icons | 16:37 |
| hannie | can I just use the command apt-get install ccicons? | 16:37 |
| * cqfd93 trying to find kevin's email where he explains how to opdate hyperref | 16:47 | |
| YoBoY | hannie, you just have to launch the install-pkgs.sh to have the ccbysa working, but I don't know if kevin already corrected a bug on that | 16:48 |
| cqfd93 | I don't know about ccicons | 16:48 |
| hannie | YoBoY, did that already, but U used the precise-e2 folder /pkgs | 16:49 |
| hannie | I have just installed texlive-extra-fonts | 16:49 |
| hannie | I am going to do another check for packages | 16:50 |
| YoBoY | yes sure, I'm not mixing versions ^^ | 16:50 |
| hannie | I had a fight with removing 2011, but now I have 2012 | 16:50 |
| hannie | install-pkgs.sh report: Done! You should now be able to compile the Ubuntu manual! | 16:52 |
| hannie | oops! Warning: Old configuration style found in /etc/texmf/updmap.d | 16:54 |
| hannie | Warning: For now these files have been included, | 16:54 |
| hannie | Looks like version 2011 has not been removed completely | 16:54 |
| cqfd93 | Just generated your manual (precise: 147 pages) it's showint some problems in the index (duplicate entries) that will require some cleaning in the translation (we had the same kind of problems in the French manuals a few days ago) | 16:55 |
| cqfd93 | hannie: good! Are you trying to generate the pdf? | 16:56 |
| hannie | cqfd93, did you use my latest nl.po (see/seealso fixed)? | 16:56 |
| hannie | cqfd93, I get 145 pages, because the index is not generated | 16:57 |
| cqfd93 | I fixed it on my computer :-) | 16:57 |
| hannie | ok, now it is fixed in LP too | 16:57 |
| cqfd93 | do you get a "success" message? | 16:58 |
| hannie | I do get 1 error, tried to find it, but no success. Besides, you used the same po file without problems | 16:58 |
| hannie | So, the problem is my texlive 2012 | 16:59 |
| hannie | No file ubuntu-manual-nl.ind. | 16:59 |
| hannie | I guess this means the index file was not made | 16:59 |
| cqfd93 | the culprit is probably your hyperref version | 17:00 |
| hannie | cqfd93, any idea how I can update this hyperref version? | 17:00 |
| hannie | hi CarstenG | 17:01 |
| hannie | No file ubuntu-manual-nl.ind. | 17:01 |
| CarstenG | Hi Hannie | 17:01 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, here is a link to your manual http://ubuntuone.com/3x710bSerEI3hOhgUIxDxd | 17:01 |
| cqfd93 | hi CarstenG | 17:01 |
| CarstenG | Hi Sylvie | 17:02 |
| cqfd93 | hannie, try this command sudo tlmgr update --all --self | 17:02 |
| cqfd93 | tlmgr is the texlive update manager | 17:03 |
| hannie | cqfd93, output is: tlmgr: no updates available | 17:04 |
| cqfd93 | sounds good | 17:04 |
| hannie | not so good, because my problem is still not solved :( | 17:05 |
| cqfd93 | right! | 17:05 |
| hannie | tlmgr revision 28216 (2012-11-09 13:34:08 +0100) | 17:05 |
| hannie | tlmgr using installation: /usr/local/texlive/2012 | 17:05 |
| hannie | TeX Live (http://tug.org/texlive) version 2012 | 17:05 |
| hannie | here you can see I have version 2012 installed | 17:06 |
| hannie | I am afraid I will have to reinstall Ubuntu altogether | 17:06 |
| cqfd93 | reinstalling ubuntu might be too much! | 17:08 |
| hannie | well, reinstalling texlive only gives misery | 17:08 |
| hannie | The font "CC Icons" cannot be found. | 17:09 |
| cqfd93 | Was the manual generated in Dutch with just the index missing? | 17:09 |
| hannie | I have just installed texlive-extra-fonts | 17:09 |
| hannie | I thought ccicons was in there | 17:09 |
| cqfd93 | I remember I had ti install the font, just don't remember when and where I got it | 17:10 |
| hannie | cqfd93, yes, the manual looks good, only there is no index | 17:10 |
| hannie | and the English version gives me the ccicons error | 17:10 |
| cqfd93 | you may have to talk with kevin about that, I'm not sure I can really help | 17:10 |
| hannie | well, you have been a help so far, only finding the solution is very hard | 17:11 |
| cqfd93 | Still can't find where I got ccicons... | 17:21 |
| hannie | don't worry, I'll find it | 17:22 |
| CarstenG | Hannie, I have just read your discussion with Sylvie in the logs. | 17:25 |
| CarstenG | Could you pleas do a "make clean" | 17:26 |
| hannie | ok, any suggestions? I cannot generate the indes. The rest is fine | 17:26 |
| CarstenG | And then a "make ubuntu-manual-nl.pdf" | 17:26 |
| hannie | *index | 17:26 |
| CarstenG | And email me the complete output from the terminal. | 17:26 |
| godbyk | Hey, hannie. I just uploaded the Dutch title page to the precise-e2 branch so it should start appearing in the PDF. | 17:26 |
| hannie | I already did that twice :( I'll do it once more (for you ;) ) | 17:26 |
| cqfd93 | hi godbyk! | 17:27 |
| godbyk | Hey, Sylvie! | 17:27 |
| godbyk | I'm just getting caught up on the conversations here. :) | 17:27 |
| hannie | hey godbyk My worries at the moment are that I cannot generate the index | 17:27 |
| hannie | godbyk, thanks for the title page | 17:28 |
| godbyk | hannie: Okay. Should I use the nl.po in the repository or the one from Launchpad? | 17:29 |
| hannie | I uploaded the latest version to LP a while ago. That one is fine | 17:29 |
| godbyk | Okay. I'm building the PDF now with the one from the repository. We'll see how it goes. | 17:30 |
| hannie | I'll keep my fingers crossed | 17:30 |
| godbyk | hannie: I had to remove the links from the index because they were confusing the indexing program. For now, I think we'll just have to leave the linked turned off in the index. | 17:30 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: I figured out why the Debian entry was showing two page numbers. | 17:31 |
| hannie | CarstenG, a miracle has happened. The third time I gave the same commands I suddenly get 149 pages (instead of 145) | 17:31 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: The \index{Debian|seealso{Linux}} command it at the top of the index file (which is okay). | 17:31 |
| hannie | Let me see if I get an index now | 17:31 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: But when we remove the seealso bit, it becomes a regular index entry (with a page number), and that's bad. | 17:32 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: So the better solution is just to remove that entire \index line. | 17:32 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: Unfortunately, this can't be done from Launchpad. We can only do it by modifying the fr.po file itself. | 17:32 |
| godbyk | cqfd93: So we'll deal with that once all the other translation stuff has been finished in Launchpad. | 17:32 |
| hannie | I'll be **** CarstenG I think you are a witch doctor :) | 17:33 |
| hannie | godbyk, I have done a make clean for the 3rd time and suddenly I get the index | 17:33 |
| cqfd93 | kevin: a few days ago, I told you that the best fix would be to remove the \index{Debian} and keep Debian|see{Linux} (but see, not seealso) | 17:34 |
| hannie | godbyk, so now I can finally check the index for errors. You do not have to bother about it anymore | 17:34 |
| godbyk | hannie: Strange. | 17:35 |
| godbyk | hannie: I'm glad to hear it's working for you, though. | 17:35 |
| godbyk | hannie: Did you get the new CC Icons font installed? | 17:35 |
| hannie | godbyk, it was blood sweat and tears to replace texlive 2011 with 2012 | 17:35 |
| godbyk | hannie: Just run the install-pkgs.sh script from either the quantal or raring branches. (I haven't uploaded it to precise-e2, yet.) | 17:35 |
| hannie | godbyk, I did that several times. Everything ok the log says | 17:36 |
| godbyk | hannie: I'm surprised it was so difficult. You should've been able to just remove the /usr/local/texlive/2011 directory and install 2012 as usual. | 17:36 |
| godbyk | hannie: I just checked the Dutch PDF here and the index shows up. So hopefully it was just a temporary problem on your end. | 17:36 |
| godbyk | hannie: Let me know if you continue to encounter problems with it, though. | 17:36 |
| hannie | godbyk, I made a very big mistake, I used gksudo to remove 2011. And I am punished for it | 17:37 |
| hannie | godbyk, I'll check the index and let you know when it is ok tomorrow | 17:38 |
| godbyk | hannie: I would expect that to work. (Though I'm a command-line kind of guy, so I would've just ran 'sudo rm -fr /usr/local/texlive/2011/' from the terminal.) | 17:38 |
| hannie | godbyk, the sudo etc. did not work, so I tried the stronger root admin option | 17:39 |
| CarstenG | Hey Hannie, congratulations! | 17:39 |
| CarstenG | Nice to see, that it now works. :-) | 17:39 |
| hannie | CarstenG, yes, I am glad the misery is over ;) | 17:39 |
| hannie | I will not lightly use gksudo in the future | 17:40 |
| hannie | godbyk, what does the -fr in your command do? | 17:41 |
| godbyk | hannie: -f is force and -r is recursive. -r lets you remove entire directories. and -f tells it not to ask any questions. :) | 17:42 |
| hannie | ah, I should learn all these options. they are very powerful indeed. | 17:43 |
| hannie | godbyk, I used sudo apt-get remove texlive-* (from our website), but that did not remove /usr/local/texlive/2011 | 17:48 |
| godbyk | hannie: No, that would only remove any Ubuntu texlive package you have installed. | 17:49 |
| godbyk | hannie: You have to remove the /usr/local/tex/live/2011 directory manually. | 17:49 |
| godbyk | hannie: (Though it doesn't hurt anything if you leave it there when you install 2012. It just takes up space on your hard drive.) | 17:49 |
| hannie | godbyk, no, when I installed texlive from Ubuntu software center I got conflicts with /usr/local/texlive/2011 | 17:52 |
| godbyk | hannie: Oh, strange. | 17:52 |
| godbyk | I was hoping that we could start using the Ubuntu texlive packages, but we can't if we want the index to work right. | 17:52 |
| hannie | that's why I decided to radically remove /2011 with gksudo (and bled for it) | 17:53 |
| godbyk | (For people who aren't worried about the index, they can still use the Ubuntu texlive packages, though.) | 17:53 |
| hannie | godbyk, using the instructions on our website to install texlive work fine | 17:54 |
| godbyk | On an unrelated note, it's nice to see some activity in this channel again. :) | 17:56 |
| hannie | talking about activity, it won't take long before we have to start with raring | 17:57 |
| godbyk | hannie: Yes. | 17:58 |
| godbyk | We'll have to have a meeting and set the dates for the milestones and make sure we still have authors and editors. | 17:58 |
| hannie | I am just checking the release schedule | 17:59 |
| hannie | I see the final beta release is on March 28 2013 | 18:00 |
| godbyk | What day is the final release? | 18:01 |
| hannie | April 25 | 18:01 |
| hannie | So if we wait for the final beta release, we have one month | 18:01 |
| hannie | Would that be sufficient? I do not think going from Quantal to Raring will be a very big step with lots of changes | 18:02 |
| hannie | Alpha 2 is released on February 7th | 18:03 |
| godbyk | I think we should start writing before the beta release, but we can fix any last-minute changes during editing. | 18:06 |
| godbyk | I hope they stick to the feature freeze and UI freeze better this time. | 18:07 |
| hannie | ok, so starting from alpha 2 would be fine | 18:07 |
| godbyk | I think so. And if anyone wants to dive in earlier, I have no complaints about that. ;-) | 18:08 |
| hannie | We could plan a meeting beginning of February 2013 | 18:08 |
| godbyk | We may have an earlier meeting, too, to plan some other parts of the project that don't directly involve writing the manual (e.g., the website, e-book possibilities). | 18:09 |
| hannie | ok, how about beginning of January? | 18:10 |
| godbyk | That sounds good. | 18:13 |
| godbyk | I'll send out an email after the holidays and we'll find a good time for everyone to meet. | 18:13 |
| hannie | great! see you all, guys | 18:13 |
| CarstenG | Hannie, you changed in rev 128 the command "\appendixname" to "appendix". So you do not get the Dutch translation "Bijlage" | 18:14 |
| manualbot | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/128 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 128 | 18:14 |
| CarstenG | for that word any more. | 18:14 |
| godbyk | See you, hannie! | 18:14 |
| CarstenG | What's wrong with that word? | 18:14 |
| CarstenG | ok, I will email her. :-) | 18:15 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Guess so. :) | 18:15 |
| CarstenG | Oh, there is again a new language complete in precise-e2, Malay | 18:25 |
| CarstenG | Great to see! | 18:25 |
| godbyk | Cool. | 18:26 |
| godbyk | My current task is trying to sort out how to get our PDFs to work well with all of lulu.com's printers. | 18:27 |
| CarstenG | I had the idea, to go to a local copy shop with our PDF and let them test it for any problems. | 18:32 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: Well, Jeremy's PDF test program didn't report any problems after we fixed the transparency issues. | 18:40 |
| godbyk | CarstenG: I'm looking into getting a copy of Adobe Acrobat to see if it can fix things. | 18:40 |
| CarstenG | Yes, good idea. | 19:24 |
| CarstenG | I have to leave now | 19:25 |
| CarstenG | See you | 19:25 |
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