| xorg_is_a_pain | hey guys... anyone here? | 00:05 |
|---|---|---|
| popey | yes | 00:14 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | hey popey... can you spare a minute to help me with Xorg? I followed this guide: http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/nvidia-drivers-installer-script/ for my GTX 650, it all went well and rebooted, but now I don't seem to have unity... my windows are just "there" - I have to launch them via ctrl+alt+t | 00:16 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | I've got the xorg log... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393199/ | 00:16 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | and I've got the newest nvidia-current on the machine | 00:17 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | but for some reason it isn't doing jack.. | 00:17 |
| popey | what is this script madness? | 00:18 |
| popey | [ 20.712] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your | 00:19 |
| popey | that doesn't look too clever | 00:19 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | well... I originally tried via "Additional Drivers" | 00:19 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | getting the same problem | 00:19 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | had to reinstall and try it the script way | 00:19 |
| popey | do you have a terminal up? | 00:19 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | yeah | 00:19 |
| popey | dpkg -l unity | 00:19 |
| popey | is it installed? | 00:19 |
| popey | i.e. first two characters are "ii" | 00:20 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | yeah it's installed | 00:20 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | ii unity 6.10.0-0ubun amd64 Interface designed for efficiency | 00:20 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | (compiz crashed when I logged in - I suspect that's where the issue is?) | 00:21 |
| popey | probably | 00:21 |
| popey | pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ? | 00:21 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393225/ | 00:22 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | that doesn't look healthy... | 00:22 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | :) | 00:22 |
| popey | i suspect the nvidia driver didn't build properly | 00:22 |
| popey | hence NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module | 00:23 |
| popey | which is your first problem | 00:23 |
| popey | compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow). | 00:23 |
| popey | thats as a result of not having the nvidia driver loaded | 00:23 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | alright... but it did the same when I tried from Additional Drivers too... strange | 00:23 |
| popey | you're running with the VESA driver | 00:24 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | it worked in 12.04 - this is a new install | 00:24 |
| popey | dpkg -l nvidia-* | 00:24 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393230/ | 00:25 |
| popey | apt-cache policy nvidia-current | 00:25 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393234/ | 00:26 |
| popey | pretty sure my card is a GTX 650 | 00:27 |
| * popey checks | 00:27 | |
| xorg_is_a_pain | Asus GEForce GTX 650 I believe | 00:28 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | I can drop back to 12.04 without a problem... I just thought I'd bring it up because this is beyond me, and a bug may need filing | 00:28 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | there was a comment on that script page from someone else using 12.10 with the same issue | 00:29 |
| popey | oh no, mine's a 460 | 00:30 |
| popey | if you fancy reinstalling 12.10 maybe we can debug from there | 00:31 |
| popey | but not right now :D | 00:31 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | sure... can do, and aye it's a bit late :P | 00:31 |
| popey | maybe pop back tomorrow? | 00:32 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | yeah sure... any particualar time? | 00:32 |
| popey | before midnight | 00:32 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | :P | 00:32 |
| popey | but tbh there's plenty of people around who can help tomorrow | 00:32 |
| popey | daytime is good? | 00:32 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | alright... gonna go back to Windows and watch something on netflix before bed XD I shall see you guys tomorrow | 00:33 |
| xorg_is_a_pain | thank you for the help | 00:33 |
| popey | ttfn | 00:33 |
| popey | np | 00:33 |
| troll` | AYO | 00:52 |
| troll` | FELLERS | 00:52 |
| troll` | UBUNTU IS GR8! | 00:52 |
| troll` | IT ROCKS | 00:52 |
| directhex | for those who fear the securest of boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyOYsQmetQ | 01:37 |
| AlanBell | choo choo | 06:59 |
| === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer | ||
| diplo | Morning | 08:03 |
| hoover | morning all | 08:31 |
| dwatkins | wotcher | 08:39 |
| BigRedS | Hm. I want to file a bug report about docking my laptop, but every time I try it it breaks slightly differently.... | 08:41 |
| theopensourcerer | This is rather disturbing (but a bit understandable) - I like building PCs... http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/ | 08:41 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I despise building PCs but really think it's something that ought to be possible | 08:45 |
| theopensourcerer | At home the three desktops we have (me, wife and kids) are all custom builds by me. | 08:46 |
| theopensourcerer | And my home server too. | 08:47 |
| theopensourcerer | :-( | 08:47 |
| BigRedS | yeah, I completely get the benefits, I just don't have the patience to work out what I want... | 08:47 |
| theopensourcerer | But that one is an embedded VIA anyway | 08:47 |
| BigRedS | Actually, my last several PCs have been custom-builds, just by somebody else | 08:47 |
| theopensourcerer | I reckon this will be the end of Custom PC magazine then too. | 08:47 |
| theopensourcerer | End of an era. | 08:47 |
| danfish | morning | 08:48 |
| * theopensourcerer already asked wifey to cancel his subscription next cycle. | 08:48 | |
| diplo | AMD theopensourcerer ? | 08:48 |
| danfish | the nagios site is down "Server error - server 96.126.126.159 is unreachable at this moment." | 08:48 |
| danfish | kinda ironic | 08:48 |
| diplo | :P | 08:49 |
| * BigRedS has two Nagios instances for that sort of thing | 08:49 | |
| theopensourcerer | Trouble is their CPUs really suck right now. | 08:49 |
| diplo | danfish: Working ok for me | 08:49 |
| danfish | diplo: now working for me. Must have been a glitch in the matrix :) | 08:50 |
| diplo | :) | 08:50 |
| BigRedS | Oh! Nagios.org? | 08:50 |
| * BigRedS demands coffee | 08:50 | |
| Myrtti | meh | 08:59 |
| dwatkins | I thoroughly agree, Myrtti. | 09:06 |
| BigRedS | 'thoroughly agree' seems a bit antithetical to 'meh'... | 09:14 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :-D | 09:16 |
| dwatkins | BigRedS: true, I was agreeing with the sentiment behind the statement, I suppose. | 09:16 |
| === deegee__ is now known as drussell | ||
| danfish | xmas soon - what to by the geek in your life? | 10:14 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/29FWHGD2GAECA # something from their wishlist? :D | 10:16 |
| AlanBell | subtle | 10:16 |
| popey | :) | 10:17 |
| danfish | agreed - wtf is that first book about sharpening pencils? Is the companion book the history of cement? | 10:17 |
| AlanBell | someone pointed me at a reddit interview of the pencil sharpening chap the other day | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | probably popey | 10:18 |
| popey | http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/05/david-rees-how-to-sharpen-pencils.html | 10:19 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:23 |
| bigcalm | Anybody here using a trackball? | 10:23 |
| Azelphur | bigcalm: I am | 10:24 |
| popey | if by trackball you mean trackpoint, yes :) | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: finger or thumb operated? | 10:24 |
| bigcalm | popey: that's a nipple, so no :) | 10:25 |
| popey | \o/ nipples | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | :D | 10:25 |
| Azelphur | bigcalm: thumb | 10:25 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: have you used both? Do you use it all the time, every day? Do you get any pain from using it? | 10:26 |
| Azelphur | bigcalm: I havn't used anything but thumb for a long time, no I don't, I imagine I would do from a mouse considering the amount of time I spend using it : | 10:27 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: that's all good to know, thanks :) | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: I have bad RSI from years of mouse usage, so now I'm looking for an alternative | 10:28 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: just trying to work out if I should get a thumb or fingers operated one | 10:28 |
| Azelphur | http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/wireless-trackball-m570 | 10:29 |
| Azelphur | that's what I have | 10:29 |
| * theopensourcerer has just taken delivery of some new computer h/w :-) Lappy, monitors, hub, cables... | 10:29 | |
| bigcalm | Yeah, been looking at the M570 | 10:29 |
| bigcalm | theopensourcerer: for your new lacky? | 10:29 |
| AlanBell | theopensourcerer: woot | 10:29 |
| Azelphur | I also have one of these http://www.dansdata.com/images/ltcontrollers/tmw440.jpg if you want it I'll do it for £5 + pnp :p | 10:29 |
| Azelphur | it's the predecessor to the M570 | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Azelphur: I'll keep that in mind, ta :) | 10:30 |
| Azelphur | :) | 10:30 |
| bigcalm | Though I'm used to having extra buttons for navigation | 10:32 |
| BigRedS | bigcalm: I've been using a thumb-operated trackball for about ten years now | 10:38 |
| BigRedS | with no known issues | 10:38 |
| MooDoo | davmor2: hello chap | 10:38 |
| theopensourcerer | Lappy is rather nice... And sans Windows Tax \o/ | 10:40 |
| theopensourcerer | https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/647hTvNJtsp | 10:42 |
| einonm | theopensourcerer: cool, what's the plastic case on it like? | 10:43 |
| theopensourcerer | It isn't plastic. | 10:44 |
| theopensourcerer | It's metal | 10:44 |
| theopensourcerer | Feels good and sturdy. Thin too. | 10:44 |
| einonm | even better. | 10:44 |
| AlanBell | no secure boot efi stuff presumeably | 10:46 |
| theopensourcerer | Dunno - gone back to work now. | 10:47 |
| theopensourcerer | Will take it home tonight and plug a UDB stick in | 10:47 |
| theopensourcerer | or USB even | 10:47 |
| JamesTait | theopensourcerer, what's the model number? I'm pre-emptively looking at laptops ready for when I turn this thing in. | 10:49 |
| bigcalm | BigRedS: that's another plus for thumbs :) | 10:50 |
| JamesTait | And I'm all for supporting companies who sell OS-free hardware. | 10:50 |
| theopensourcerer | JamesTait: Think it was this one to which we added another 4G of RAM http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html | 10:51 |
| JamesTait | theopensourcerer, excellent, thanks! I'll take a look and add it to the shortlist! | 10:52 |
| theopensourcerer | The 4 to 8G RAM upgrade cost £9.60 | 10:53 |
| JamesTait | Wow, £90 extra for Windows 7! | 10:53 |
| JamesTait | Windows 7 Home as well. | 10:53 |
| theopensourcerer | Windows is between £91 and £163 depending on version | 10:53 |
| theopensourcerer | It came with a carry case (rucksack) | 10:54 |
| JamesTait | I'm so completely out of touch with Windows these days. | 10:54 |
| theopensourcerer | Me too. | 10:54 |
| AlanBell | wish all computers asked for an operating system on first boot | 10:55 |
| JamesTait | +1 | 10:55 |
| JamesTait | Although I can imagine my dad being incredibly annoyed if they did. | 10:56 |
| theopensourcerer | JamesTait: Some piccies of the "unboxing" https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/B1fLCcVCfsJ | 10:56 |
| JamesTait | Ooh, that case does look nice. | 10:57 |
| JamesTait | And it's nice and thin too. | 10:57 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| JamesTait | If I had one of those, I might not nearly give myself a hernia every time I travelled with my computer. | 10:58 |
| BigRedS | wot no nipple? | 11:03 |
| dwatkins | My laptop is 13", and I much prefer taking the netbook instead as it`s a lot smaller. | 11:03 |
| popey | heh | 11:04 |
| popey | thats now my benchmark for a laptop, does it have a touchpoint nipple | 11:05 |
| popey | if not, -> bin | 11:05 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 11:05 |
| davmor2 | Morning MooDoo | 11:05 |
| bigcalm | Hi davmor2 | 11:05 |
| davmor2 | hello bigcalm | 11:06 |
| diplo | You're one of the only people I know that likes the touchpoint nipple popey | 11:06 |
| bigcalm | I think I'd like a nipple if I had one | 11:06 |
| diplo | Guy next to me has never used his, nor anyone else in the office.. they actually get more annoyed with it being there | 11:06 |
| bigcalm | You can remove it (ymmv) | 11:06 |
| popey | oddballs | 11:06 |
| popey | you can buy an external keyboard with one in :) | 11:07 |
| popey | (see my wishlist) :D | 11:07 |
| popey | also http://www.pckeyboard.com/ | 11:07 |
| BigRedS | it makes it way easier to pick laptops | 11:07 |
| BigRedS | when I was looking I only had to pick between about three | 11:07 |
| BigRedS | and I think two of them were Lenovo | 11:07 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| popey | who else does them? | 11:08 |
| BigRedS | Dell used to do them on their Latitudes, and HP did a longer time ago | 11:08 |
| BigRedS | I don't think either do any more | 11:08 |
| dwatkins | I rarely open my laptop ;) it sits on my desk at work closed and connected to a monitor, mouse and keyboard. | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | Toshiba used to | 11:08 |
| BigRedS | Hm. Dell's website seems too broken to tell me if they still do | 11:11 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| mgdm | My first laptop was a Toshiba, it only had the nipple, so that's how I got used to them | 11:19 |
| mgdm | prefer it above anyting else apart from maybe a Mac trackpad with all the gestures | 11:19 |
| popey | yeah | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | are there any generic alternatives to the apple magic touchpad? | 11:25 |
| popey | yes | 11:26 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| davmor2 | AlanBell: well there might of been till apple sued them all for making a touchpad :D | 11:26 |
| popey | dunno if they're multitouch tho | 11:27 |
| popey | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cirque-Easy-Cat-Glidepoint-Touchpad/dp/B000V5IFQA | 11:27 |
| AlanBell | that looks a bit rubbish | 11:28 |
| AlanBell | laptop touchpad on a wire | 11:28 |
| mgdm | I have a magic trackpad, but I took it to work for now | 11:29 |
| mgdm | it is very nice, and sort-of works with Ubuntu, but the weighting in the gesture config needs some work | 11:29 |
| AlanBell | http://www.ebuyer.com/282973-logitech-wireless-touchpad-910-002442 looks a bit more like it | 11:29 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| AlanBell | schwuk: can you stop the away script please | 12:26 |
| directhex | moo | 12:26 |
| popey | directhex, you may also want to do a video showing what happens with secure boot on and booting a live cd | 12:27 |
| popey | also, moo | 12:27 |
| directhex | popey, a bit more awkward, no CD drive on the x230 :D | 12:28 |
| directhex | i could use the T530 for that tho | 12:28 |
| dwatkins | strange, I thought I'd gotten irssi to ignore nickspam | 12:28 |
| popey | oh, or usb, sorry | 12:30 |
| directhex | i *do* have a USB CD drive | 12:31 |
| directhex | well, dvd burner | 12:31 |
| directhex | but the T530 might be easier | 12:31 |
| davmor2 | popey: do you have ATI on any of your quantal boxes and did the binary driver ever install and display unity? | 12:35 |
| popey | no | 12:38 |
| popey | I only answered one of your questions, I do not feel it necessary to continue with the questioning :) | 12:38 |
| BigRedS | Which one's quantal? My home PC is 12.10 and I'm going to need to install a binary driver to get steam working on it | 12:40 |
| BigRedS | ah, 12.10 I guess. I know the alphabet, honest! | 12:40 |
| popey | !quantal | 12:42 |
| popey | Time passes.. | 12:43 |
| Laney | no bot | 12:43 |
| popey | AlanBell, we're missing a bot here | 12:43 |
| Daviey | and mootbot is stuffed in #ubuntu-meeting | 12:44 |
| dogmatic69 | memory usage 6.5GB -> sudo killall -9 chrome -> 1.2GB :/ | 12:44 |
| BigRedS | I used to graph firefox memory usage, but that just scared me | 12:47 |
| popey | anyone here live in Leeds? | 12:48 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: I think they have some code that goes, while(memory) { fillit(); } | 12:49 |
| BigRedS | haha | 12:50 |
| popey | same happens with roads and kitchen bins | 12:52 |
| popey | tis human nature | 12:52 |
| BigRedS | moving to leeds? | 12:56 |
| BigRedS | :) | 12:56 |
| popey | no, come dine with me are looking for people in various places including leeds | 13:01 |
| popey | https://www.facebook.com/comedinewithme/posts/10151282375899204 | 13:01 |
| BigRedS | ahhh | 13:05 |
| AlanBell | popey: Daviey: I am very aware of this . . . | 13:11 |
| BigRedS | popey: a while ago you asked for recommendations for people learning vi, what did you settle on, and was it vi or vim? | 13:12 |
| popey | BigRedS, vimtutor | 13:12 |
| popey | and a printed cheatsheet | 13:12 |
| n1md4 | BigRedS: tsk tsk, you should have asked me :P | 13:12 |
| n1md4 | vi | 13:12 |
| n1md4 | vi | 13:12 |
| n1md4 | vi | 13:12 |
| n1md4 | :P | 13:12 |
| BigRedS | popey: ta! | 13:31 |
| popey | http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/13xpq4/game_performance_improvement_for_ubuntu_available/ | 15:23 |
| czajkowski | https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2012-11-28-extended-deadlines/ may be of interest to some | 15:27 |
| balor | czajkowski, Is your twitter account haxor3d? | 15:51 |
| czajkowski | no. | 15:51 |
| czajkowski | why ? | 15:51 |
| balor | czajkowski, ah, just all the debit card stuff seemed strange | 15:52 |
| czajkowski | balor: yeah read the last one it's about security | 15:52 |
| czajkowski | people actually tweet their CC which has their name long number and exp date | 15:52 |
| balor | czajkowski, AH | 15:53 |
| balor | strange people | 15:53 |
| BigRedS | there used to be a robot that retweeted CC info | 15:54 |
| directhex | wiiu preordered | 15:56 |
| gord | forgot the wiiu wasn't out here yet | 16:13 |
| directhex | friday here. | 16:15 |
| BigRedS | I want my grub to automatically boot the first option out of that 'advanced options' submenu. Is that an easy thing to make it do? | 16:29 |
| BigRedS | oh, it's documented! | 16:31 |
| mungojerry | gord , did you go to hyper japan? | 16:57 |
| mungojerry | http://www.hyperjapan.co.uk/whats-on/foodanddrink/food-zone.html | 16:58 |
| gord | nope | 16:58 |
| gord | all looks so good | 17:00 |
| gord | i came back with half a suit case full of treats from korea, lots of tasty pocky ripoffs | 17:00 |
| mungojerry | this was in earls court though ...bit closer :D | 17:02 |
| bootinfdsds | Just posted a present to AlanBell :) | 18:10 |
| Myrtti | oh my, how far ahead do they record EggHeads... | 18:15 |
| bootinfdsds | dunno.. i thought that show was redundant by now. | 18:22 |
| jacobw | evening | 19:01 |
| popey | heh, got a phone call from a friend asking what tablet to buy for her husband | 19:33 |
| Azelphur | when in doubt nexus 7 | 19:35 |
| Azelphur | :p | 19:35 |
| * dw4tkins agrees with Azelphur | 19:41 | |
| * brobostigon also agres. | 19:42 | |
| directhex | depends on budget, and odd requirements. for the average grunt on the street, any ipad is best, assuming they can afford the apple tax | 19:42 |
| directhex | nexus 7 is a cheap alternative which is in the same ball park for usability, though. see also kindle fire hd | 19:43 |
| mgdm | we have a Fire HD and a 7 at work | 19:44 |
| mgdm | IIRC the screen on the 7 is higher resolution, despite the Fire being physically bigger | 19:44 |
| dw4tkins | I like the mini size of the Nexus, not sure how it compares to the iPad mini | 19:47 |
| dw4tkins | s/Nexus/Nexus 7/ | 19:47 |
| mgdm | I played with an iPad mini yesterday, briefly | 19:48 |
| mgdm | belongs to our designer chap who works one week a month | 19:48 |
| mgdm | I was mildly surprised to discover it hasn't got a Retina display | 19:49 |
| Azelphur | Anyone recommend a nice current account with some nice perks / introductory offers? :) | 21:07 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Dunno about perks but we've been pretty happy with First Direct (HSBC) since it started... | 21:10 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 21:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If I was looking now I think I would have Virgin on my list to check out. | 21:11 |
| * AlanBell is also happy with first direct | 21:12 | |
| AlanBell | First Direct was formed on 1 October 1989 | 21:15 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Sounds about right. I was 24. | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | TheOpenSourcerer: how is the laptop? | 21:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It boots from a stick | 21:20 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Other than that I haven't done much. | 21:20 |
| AlanBell | ok, generally nice bit of kit? | 21:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It's very nicely built. Feels solid and stursy yeah. | 21:21 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | sturdy | 21:21 |
| Azelphur | my parents had lots of problems with my local hsbc branch, I hear good things about hsbc often, but our local branch is a bit fail I think | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | first direct really isn't much to do with HSBC branches | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | all telephone and internet based | 21:22 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | With First Direct you really don't need to use a branch. Everything by Internet/phone | 21:22 |
| Azelphur | that's fun | 21:23 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But if you need to pay in a cheque for example - then you can use HSBC branches | 21:23 |
| AlanBell | branches are just for depositing cheques from strange customers | 21:23 |
| Azelphur | ah | 21:23 |
| Azelphur | first direct are offering £100 for when I switch, but then they'd prolly want me to close my santander too | 21:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Astronomers find biggest black hole, 17 BILLION times the size of Sun | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | which from experience is rather difficult :p | 21:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/biggest_black_hole/ | 21:24 |
| AlanBell | gosh, don't drop things in that | 21:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | I think it would be hard not too. | 21:25 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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