[00:05] hey guys... anyone here? [00:14] yes [00:16] hey popey... can you spare a minute to help me with Xorg? I followed this guide: http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/nvidia-drivers-installer-script/ for my GTX 650, it all went well and rebooted, but now I don't seem to have unity... my windows are just "there" - I have to launch them via ctrl+alt+t [00:16] I've got the xorg log... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393199/ [00:17] and I've got the newest nvidia-current on the machine [00:17] but for some reason it isn't doing jack.. [00:18] what is this script madness? [00:19] [ 20.712] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your [00:19] that doesn't look too clever [00:19] well... I originally tried via "Additional Drivers" [00:19] getting the same problem [00:19] had to reinstall and try it the script way [00:19] do you have a terminal up? [00:19] yeah [00:19] dpkg -l unity [00:19] is it installed? [00:20] i.e. first two characters are "ii" [00:20] yeah it's installed [00:20] ii unity 6.10.0-0ubun amd64 Interface designed for efficiency [00:21] (compiz crashed when I logged in - I suspect that's where the issue is?) [00:21] probably [00:21] pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ? [00:22] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393225/ [00:22] that doesn't look healthy... [00:22] :) [00:22] i suspect the nvidia driver didn't build properly [00:23] hence NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module [00:23] which is your first problem [00:23] compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow). [00:23] thats as a result of not having the nvidia driver loaded [00:23] alright... but it did the same when I tried from Additional Drivers too... strange [00:24] you're running with the VESA driver [00:24] it worked in 12.04 - this is a new install [00:24] dpkg -l nvidia-* [00:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393230/ [00:25] apt-cache policy nvidia-current [00:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393234/ [00:27] pretty sure my card is a GTX 650 [00:27] * popey checks [00:28] Asus GEForce GTX 650 I believe [00:28] I can drop back to 12.04 without a problem... I just thought I'd bring it up because this is beyond me, and a bug may need filing [00:29] there was a comment on that script page from someone else using 12.10 with the same issue [00:30] oh no, mine's a 460 [00:31] if you fancy reinstalling 12.10 maybe we can debug from there [00:31] but not right now :D [00:31] sure... can do, and aye it's a bit late :P [00:32] maybe pop back tomorrow? [00:32] yeah sure... any particualar time? [00:32] before midnight [00:32] :P [00:32] but tbh there's plenty of people around who can help tomorrow [00:32] daytime is good? [00:33] alright... gonna go back to Windows and watch something on netflix before bed XD I shall see you guys tomorrow [00:33] thank you for the help [00:33] ttfn [00:33] np [00:52] AYO [00:52] FELLERS [00:52] UBUNTU IS GR8! [00:52] IT ROCKS [01:37] for those who fear the securest of boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyOYsQmetQ [06:59] choo choo === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:03] Morning [08:31] morning all [08:39] wotcher [08:41] Hm. I want to file a bug report about docking my laptop, but every time I try it it breaks slightly differently.... [08:41] This is rather disturbing (but a bit understandable) - I like building PCs... http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/ [08:45] yeah, I despise building PCs but really think it's something that ought to be possible [08:46] At home the three desktops we have (me, wife and kids) are all custom builds by me. [08:47] And my home server too. [08:47] :-( [08:47] yeah, I completely get the benefits, I just don't have the patience to work out what I want... [08:47] But that one is an embedded VIA anyway [08:47] Actually, my last several PCs have been custom-builds, just by somebody else [08:47] I reckon this will be the end of Custom PC magazine then too. [08:47] End of an era. [08:48] morning [08:48] * theopensourcerer already asked wifey to cancel his subscription next cycle. [08:48] AMD theopensourcerer ? [08:48] the nagios site is down "Server error - server 96.126.126.159 is unreachable at this moment." [08:48] kinda ironic [08:49] :P [08:49] * BigRedS has two Nagios instances for that sort of thing [08:49] Trouble is their CPUs really suck right now. [08:49] danfish: Working ok for me [08:50] diplo: now working for me. Must have been a glitch in the matrix :) [08:50] :) [08:50] Oh! Nagios.org? [08:50] * BigRedS demands coffee [08:59] meh [09:06] I thoroughly agree, Myrtti. [09:14] 'thoroughly agree' seems a bit antithetical to 'meh'... [09:16] Good morning all! :-D [09:16] BigRedS: true, I was agreeing with the sentiment behind the statement, I suppose. === deegee__ is now known as drussell [10:14] xmas soon - what to by the geek in your life? [10:16] http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/29FWHGD2GAECA # something from their wishlist? :D [10:16] subtle [10:17] :) [10:17] agreed - wtf is that first book about sharpening pencils? Is the companion book the history of cement? [10:18] someone pointed me at a reddit interview of the pencil sharpening chap the other day [10:18] probably popey [10:19] http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/05/david-rees-how-to-sharpen-pencils.html [10:23] Good morning peeps :) [10:23] Anybody here using a trackball? [10:24] bigcalm: I am [10:24] if by trackball you mean trackpoint, yes :) [10:24] Azelphur: finger or thumb operated? [10:25] popey: that's a nipple, so no :) [10:25] \o/ nipples [10:25] :D [10:25] bigcalm: thumb [10:26] Azelphur: have you used both? Do you use it all the time, every day? Do you get any pain from using it? [10:27] bigcalm: I havn't used anything but thumb for a long time, no I don't, I imagine I would do from a mouse considering the amount of time I spend using it : [10:28] Azelphur: that's all good to know, thanks :) [10:28] Azelphur: I have bad RSI from years of mouse usage, so now I'm looking for an alternative [10:28] Azelphur: just trying to work out if I should get a thumb or fingers operated one [10:29] http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/wireless-trackball-m570 [10:29] that's what I have [10:29] * theopensourcerer has just taken delivery of some new computer h/w :-) Lappy, monitors, hub, cables... [10:29] Yeah, been looking at the M570 [10:29] theopensourcerer: for your new lacky? [10:29] theopensourcerer: woot [10:29] I also have one of these http://www.dansdata.com/images/ltcontrollers/tmw440.jpg if you want it I'll do it for £5 + pnp :p [10:30] it's the predecessor to the M570 [10:30] Azelphur: I'll keep that in mind, ta :) [10:30] :) [10:32] Though I'm used to having extra buttons for navigation [10:38] bigcalm: I've been using a thumb-operated trackball for about ten years now [10:38] with no known issues [10:38] davmor2: hello chap [10:40] Lappy is rather nice... And sans Windows Tax \o/ [10:42] https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/647hTvNJtsp [10:43] theopensourcerer: cool, what's the plastic case on it like? [10:44] It isn't plastic. [10:44] It's metal [10:44] Feels good and sturdy. Thin too. [10:44] even better. [10:46] no secure boot efi stuff presumeably [10:47] Dunno - gone back to work now. [10:47] Will take it home tonight and plug a UDB stick in [10:47] or USB even [10:49] theopensourcerer, what's the model number? I'm pre-emptively looking at laptops ready for when I turn this thing in. [10:50] BigRedS: that's another plus for thumbs :) [10:50] And I'm all for supporting companies who sell OS-free hardware. [10:51] JamesTait: Think it was this one to which we added another 4G of RAM http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html [10:52] theopensourcerer, excellent, thanks! I'll take a look and add it to the shortlist! [10:53] The 4 to 8G RAM upgrade cost £9.60 [10:53] Wow, £90 extra for Windows 7! [10:53] Windows 7 Home as well. [10:53] Windows is between £91 and £163 depending on version [10:54] It came with a carry case (rucksack) [10:54] I'm so completely out of touch with Windows these days. [10:54] Me too. [10:55] wish all computers asked for an operating system on first boot [10:55] +1 [10:56] Although I can imagine my dad being incredibly annoyed if they did. [10:56] JamesTait: Some piccies of the "unboxing" https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/B1fLCcVCfsJ [10:57] Ooh, that case does look nice. [10:57] And it's nice and thin too. === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [10:58] If I had one of those, I might not nearly give myself a hernia every time I travelled with my computer. [11:03] wot no nipple? [11:03] My laptop is 13", and I much prefer taking the netbook instead as it`s a lot smaller. [11:04] heh [11:05] thats now my benchmark for a laptop, does it have a touchpoint nipple [11:05] if not, -> bin [11:05] Morning all [11:05] Morning MooDoo [11:05] Hi davmor2 [11:06] hello bigcalm [11:06] You're one of the only people I know that likes the touchpoint nipple popey [11:06] I think I'd like a nipple if I had one [11:06] Guy next to me has never used his, nor anyone else in the office.. they actually get more annoyed with it being there [11:06] You can remove it (ymmv) [11:06] oddballs [11:07] you can buy an external keyboard with one in :) [11:07] (see my wishlist) :D [11:07] also http://www.pckeyboard.com/ [11:07] it makes it way easier to pick laptops [11:07] when I was looking I only had to pick between about three [11:07] and I think two of them were Lenovo === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:08] who else does them? [11:08] Dell used to do them on their Latitudes, and HP did a longer time ago [11:08] I don't think either do any more [11:08] I rarely open my laptop ;) it sits on my desk at work closed and connected to a monitor, mouse and keyboard. [11:08] Toshiba used to [11:11] Hm. Dell's website seems too broken to tell me if they still do === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [11:19] My first laptop was a Toshiba, it only had the nipple, so that's how I got used to them [11:19] prefer it above anyting else apart from maybe a Mac trackpad with all the gestures [11:21] yeah [11:25] are there any generic alternatives to the apple magic touchpad? [11:26] yes === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:26] AlanBell: well there might of been till apple sued them all for making a touchpad :D [11:27] dunno if they're multitouch tho [11:27] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cirque-Easy-Cat-Glidepoint-Touchpad/dp/B000V5IFQA [11:28] that looks a bit rubbish [11:28] laptop touchpad on a wire [11:29] I have a magic trackpad, but I took it to work for now [11:29] it is very nice, and sort-of works with Ubuntu, but the weighting in the gesture config needs some work [11:29] http://www.ebuyer.com/282973-logitech-wireless-touchpad-910-002442 looks a bit more like it === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [12:26] schwuk: can you stop the away script please [12:26] moo [12:27] directhex, you may also want to do a video showing what happens with secure boot on and booting a live cd [12:27] also, moo [12:28] popey, a bit more awkward, no CD drive on the x230 :D [12:28] i could use the T530 for that tho [12:28] strange, I thought I'd gotten irssi to ignore nickspam [12:30] oh, or usb, sorry [12:31] i *do* have a USB CD drive [12:31] well, dvd burner [12:31] but the T530 might be easier [12:35] popey: do you have ATI on any of your quantal boxes and did the binary driver ever install and display unity? [12:38] no [12:38] I only answered one of your questions, I do not feel it necessary to continue with the questioning :) [12:40] Which one's quantal? My home PC is 12.10 and I'm going to need to install a binary driver to get steam working on it [12:40] ah, 12.10 I guess. I know the alphabet, honest! [12:42] !quantal [12:43] Time passes.. [12:43] no bot [12:43] AlanBell, we're missing a bot here [12:44] and mootbot is stuffed in #ubuntu-meeting [12:44] memory usage 6.5GB -> sudo killall -9 chrome -> 1.2GB :/ [12:47] I used to graph firefox memory usage, but that just scared me [12:48] anyone here live in Leeds? [12:49] BigRedS: I think they have some code that goes, while(memory) { fillit(); } [12:50] haha [12:52] same happens with roads and kitchen bins [12:52] tis human nature [12:56] moving to leeds? [12:56] :) [13:01] no, come dine with me are looking for people in various places including leeds [13:01] https://www.facebook.com/comedinewithme/posts/10151282375899204 [13:05] ahhh [13:11] popey: Daviey: I am very aware of this . . . [13:12] popey: a while ago you asked for recommendations for people learning vi, what did you settle on, and was it vi or vim? [13:12] BigRedS, vimtutor [13:12] and a printed cheatsheet [13:12] BigRedS: tsk tsk, you should have asked me :P [13:12] vi [13:12] vi [13:12] vi [13:12] :P [13:31] popey: ta! [15:23] http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/13xpq4/game_performance_improvement_for_ubuntu_available/ [15:27] https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2012-11-28-extended-deadlines/ may be of interest to some [15:51] czajkowski, Is your twitter account haxor3d? [15:51] no. [15:51] why ? [15:52] czajkowski, ah, just all the debit card stuff seemed strange [15:52] balor: yeah read the last one it's about security [15:52] people actually tweet their CC which has their name long number and exp date [15:53] czajkowski, AH [15:53] strange people [15:54] there used to be a robot that retweeted CC info [15:56] wiiu preordered [16:13] forgot the wiiu wasn't out here yet [16:15] friday here. [16:29] I want my grub to automatically boot the first option out of that 'advanced options' submenu. Is that an easy thing to make it do? [16:31] oh, it's documented! [16:57] gord , did you go to hyper japan? [16:58] http://www.hyperjapan.co.uk/whats-on/foodanddrink/food-zone.html [16:58] nope [17:00] all looks so good [17:00] i came back with half a suit case full of treats from korea, lots of tasty pocky ripoffs [17:02] this was in earls court though ...bit closer :D [18:10] Just posted a present to AlanBell :) [18:15] oh my, how far ahead do they record EggHeads... [18:22] dunno.. i thought that show was redundant by now. [19:01] evening [19:33] heh, got a phone call from a friend asking what tablet to buy for her husband [19:35] when in doubt nexus 7 [19:35] :p [19:41] * dw4tkins agrees with Azelphur [19:42] * brobostigon also agres. [19:42] depends on budget, and odd requirements. for the average grunt on the street, any ipad is best, assuming they can afford the apple tax [19:43] nexus 7 is a cheap alternative which is in the same ball park for usability, though. see also kindle fire hd [19:44] we have a Fire HD and a 7 at work [19:44] IIRC the screen on the 7 is higher resolution, despite the Fire being physically bigger [19:47] I like the mini size of the Nexus, not sure how it compares to the iPad mini [19:47] s/Nexus/Nexus 7/ [19:48] I played with an iPad mini yesterday, briefly [19:48] belongs to our designer chap who works one week a month [19:49] I was mildly surprised to discover it hasn't got a Retina display [21:07] Anyone recommend a nice current account with some nice perks / introductory offers? :) [21:10] Dunno about perks but we've been pretty happy with First Direct (HSBC) since it started... [21:10] hehe [21:11] If I was looking now I think I would have Virgin on my list to check out. [21:12] * AlanBell is also happy with first direct [21:15] First Direct was formed on 1 October 1989 [21:15] Sounds about right. I was 24. [21:20] TheOpenSourcerer: how is the laptop? [21:20] It boots from a stick [21:20] Other than that I haven't done much. [21:21] ok, generally nice bit of kit? [21:21] It's very nicely built. Feels solid and stursy yeah. [21:21] sturdy [21:22] my parents had lots of problems with my local hsbc branch, I hear good things about hsbc often, but our local branch is a bit fail I think [21:22] first direct really isn't much to do with HSBC branches [21:22] all telephone and internet based [21:22] With First Direct you really don't need to use a branch. Everything by Internet/phone [21:23] that's fun [21:23] But if you need to pay in a cheque for example - then you can use HSBC branches [21:23] branches are just for depositing cheques from strange customers [21:23] ah [21:24] first direct are offering £100 for when I switch, but then they'd prolly want me to close my santander too [21:24] Astronomers find biggest black hole, 17 BILLION times the size of Sun [21:24] which from experience is rather difficult :p [21:24] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/biggest_black_hole/ [21:24] gosh, don't drop things in that [21:25] I think it would be hard not too. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away