[00:05] <xorg_is_a_pain> hey guys... anyone here?
[00:14] <popey> yes
[00:16] <xorg_is_a_pain> hey popey... can you spare a minute to help me with Xorg? I followed this guide: http://ubuntuxtreme.com/howto/nvidia-drivers-installer-script/ for my GTX 650, it all went well and rebooted, but now I don't seem to have unity... my windows are just "there" - I have to launch them via ctrl+alt+t
[00:16] <xorg_is_a_pain> I've got the xorg log... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393199/
[00:17] <xorg_is_a_pain> and I've got the newest nvidia-current on the machine
[00:17] <xorg_is_a_pain> but for some reason it isn't doing jack..
[00:18] <popey> what is this script madness?
[00:19] <popey> [    20.712] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[00:19] <popey> that doesn't look too clever
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> well... I originally tried via "Additional Drivers"
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> getting the same problem
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> had to reinstall and try it the script way
[00:19] <popey> do you have a terminal up?
[00:19] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah
[00:19] <popey> dpkg -l unity
[00:19] <popey> is it installed?
[00:20] <popey> i.e. first two characters are "ii"
[00:20] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah it's installed
[00:20] <xorg_is_a_pain> ii  unity          6.10.0-0ubun amd64        Interface designed for efficiency
[00:21] <xorg_is_a_pain> (compiz crashed when I logged in - I suspect that's where the issue is?)
[00:21] <popey> probably
[00:21] <popey> pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393225/
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> that doesn't look healthy...
[00:22] <xorg_is_a_pain> :)
[00:22] <popey> i suspect the nvidia driver didn't build properly
[00:23] <popey> hence NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module
[00:23] <popey> which is your first problem
[00:23] <popey> compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow).
[00:23] <popey> thats as a result of not having the nvidia driver loaded
[00:23] <xorg_is_a_pain> alright... but it did the same when I tried from Additional Drivers too... strange
[00:24] <popey> you're running with the VESA driver
[00:24] <xorg_is_a_pain> it worked in 12.04 - this is a new install
[00:24] <popey> dpkg -l nvidia-*
[00:25] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393230/
[00:25] <popey> apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[00:26] <xorg_is_a_pain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1393234/
[00:27] <popey> pretty sure my card is a GTX 650
[00:27]  * popey checks
[00:28] <xorg_is_a_pain> Asus GEForce GTX 650 I believe
[00:28] <xorg_is_a_pain> I can drop back to 12.04 without a problem... I just thought I'd bring it up because this is beyond me, and a bug may need filing
[00:29] <xorg_is_a_pain> there was a comment on that script page from someone else using 12.10 with the same issue
[00:30] <popey> oh no, mine's a 460
[00:31] <popey> if you fancy reinstalling 12.10 maybe we can debug from there
[00:31] <popey> but not right now :D
[00:31] <xorg_is_a_pain> sure... can do, and aye it's a bit late :P
[00:32] <popey> maybe pop back tomorrow?
[00:32] <xorg_is_a_pain> yeah sure... any particualar time?
[00:32] <popey> before midnight
[00:32] <xorg_is_a_pain> :P
[00:32] <popey> but tbh there's plenty of people around who can help tomorrow
[00:32] <popey> daytime is good?
[00:33] <xorg_is_a_pain> alright... gonna go back to Windows and watch something on netflix before bed XD I shall see you guys tomorrow
[00:33] <xorg_is_a_pain> thank you for the help
[00:33] <popey> ttfn
[00:33] <popey> np
[00:52] <troll`> AYO
[00:52] <troll`> FELLERS
[00:52] <troll`> UBUNTU IS GR8!
[00:52] <troll`> IT ROCKS
[01:37] <directhex> for those who fear the securest of boots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PyOYsQmetQ
[06:59] <AlanBell> choo choo
[08:03] <diplo> Morning
[08:31] <hoover> morning all
[08:39] <dwatkins> wotcher
[08:41] <BigRedS> Hm. I want to file a bug report about docking my laptop, but every time I try it it breaks slightly differently....
[08:41] <theopensourcerer> This is rather disturbing (but a bit understandable) - I like building PCs... http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/
[08:45] <BigRedS> yeah, I despise building PCs but really think it's something that ought to be possible
[08:46] <theopensourcerer> At home the three desktops we have (me, wife and kids) are all custom builds by me.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> And my home server too.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> :-(
[08:47] <BigRedS> yeah, I completely get the benefits, I just don't have the patience to work out what I want...
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> But that one is an embedded VIA anyway
[08:47] <BigRedS> Actually, my last several PCs have been custom-builds, just by somebody else
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> I reckon this will be the end of Custom PC magazine then too.
[08:47] <theopensourcerer> End of an era.
[08:48] <danfish> morning
[08:48]  * theopensourcerer already asked wifey to cancel his subscription next cycle.
[08:48] <diplo> AMD theopensourcerer ?
[08:48] <danfish> the nagios site is down "Server error - server 96.126.126.159 is unreachable at this moment."
[08:48] <danfish> kinda ironic
[08:49] <diplo> :P
[08:49]  * BigRedS has two Nagios instances for that sort of thing
[08:49] <theopensourcerer> Trouble is their CPUs really suck right now.
[08:49] <diplo> danfish: Working ok for me
[08:50] <danfish> diplo: now working for me. Must have been a glitch in the matrix :)
[08:50] <diplo> :)
[08:50] <BigRedS> Oh! Nagios.org?
[08:50]  * BigRedS demands coffee
[08:59] <Myrtti> meh
[09:06] <dwatkins> I thoroughly agree, Myrtti.
[09:14] <BigRedS> 'thoroughly agree' seems a bit antithetical to 'meh'...
[09:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[09:16] <dwatkins> BigRedS: true, I was agreeing with the sentiment behind the statement, I suppose.
[10:14] <danfish> xmas soon - what to by the geek in your life?
[10:16] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/registry/wishlist/29FWHGD2GAECA  # something from their wishlist? :D
[10:16] <AlanBell> subtle
[10:17] <popey> :)
[10:17] <danfish> agreed - wtf is that first book about sharpening pencils? Is the companion book the history of cement?
[10:18] <AlanBell> someone pointed me at a reddit interview of the pencil sharpening chap the other day
[10:18] <AlanBell> probably popey
[10:19] <popey> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2012/05/david-rees-how-to-sharpen-pencils.html
[10:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> Anybody here using a trackball?
[10:24] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I am
[10:24] <popey> if by trackball you mean trackpoint, yes :)
[10:24] <bigcalm> Azelphur: finger or thumb operated?
[10:25] <bigcalm> popey: that's a nipple, so no :)
[10:25] <popey> \o/ nipples
[10:25] <bigcalm> :D
[10:25] <Azelphur> bigcalm: thumb
[10:26] <bigcalm> Azelphur: have you used both? Do you use it all the time, every day? Do you get any pain from using it?
[10:27] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I havn't used anything but thumb for a long time, no I don't, I imagine I would do from a mouse considering the amount of time I spend using it :
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: that's all good to know, thanks :)
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I have bad RSI from years of mouse usage, so now I'm looking for an alternative
[10:28] <bigcalm> Azelphur: just trying to work out if I should get a thumb or fingers operated one
[10:29] <Azelphur> http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/wireless-trackball-m570
[10:29] <Azelphur> that's what I have
[10:29]  * theopensourcerer has just taken delivery of some new computer h/w :-) Lappy, monitors, hub, cables...
[10:29] <bigcalm> Yeah, been looking at the M570
[10:29] <bigcalm> theopensourcerer: for your new lacky?
[10:29] <AlanBell> theopensourcerer: woot
[10:29] <Azelphur> I also have one of these http://www.dansdata.com/images/ltcontrollers/tmw440.jpg if you want it I'll do it for £5 + pnp :p
[10:30] <Azelphur> it's the predecessor to the M570
[10:30] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I'll keep that in mind, ta :)
[10:30] <Azelphur> :)
[10:32] <bigcalm> Though I'm used to having extra buttons for navigation
[10:38] <BigRedS> bigcalm: I've been using a thumb-operated trackball for about ten years now
[10:38] <BigRedS> with no known issues
[10:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: hello chap
[10:40] <theopensourcerer> Lappy is rather nice... And sans Windows Tax \o/
[10:42] <theopensourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/647hTvNJtsp
[10:43] <einonm> theopensourcerer: cool, what's the plastic case on it like?
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> It isn't plastic.
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> It's metal
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> Feels good and sturdy. Thin too.
[10:44] <einonm> even better.
[10:46] <AlanBell> no secure boot efi stuff presumeably
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> Dunno - gone back to work now.
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> Will take it home tonight and plug a UDB stick in
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> or USB even
[10:49] <JamesTait> theopensourcerer, what's the model number? I'm pre-emptively looking at laptops ready for when I turn this thing in.
[10:50] <bigcalm> BigRedS: that's another plus for thumbs :)
[10:50] <JamesTait> And I'm all for supporting companies who sell OS-free hardware.
[10:51] <theopensourcerer> JamesTait: Think it was this one to which we added another 4G of RAM http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html
[10:52] <JamesTait> theopensourcerer, excellent, thanks! I'll take a look and add it to the shortlist!
[10:53] <theopensourcerer> The 4 to 8G RAM upgrade cost £9.60
[10:53] <JamesTait> Wow, £90 extra for Windows 7!
[10:53] <JamesTait> Windows 7 Home as well.
[10:53] <theopensourcerer> Windows is between £91 and £163 depending on version
[10:54] <theopensourcerer> It came with a carry case (rucksack)
[10:54] <JamesTait> I'm so completely out of touch with Windows these days.
[10:54] <theopensourcerer> Me too.
[10:55] <AlanBell> wish all computers asked for an operating system on first boot
[10:55] <JamesTait> +1
[10:56] <JamesTait> Although I can imagine my dad being incredibly annoyed if they did.
[10:56] <theopensourcerer> JamesTait: Some piccies of the "unboxing" https://plus.google.com/u/0/104060033182234025482/posts/B1fLCcVCfsJ
[10:57] <JamesTait> Ooh, that case does look nice.
[10:57] <JamesTait> And it's nice and thin too.
[10:58] <JamesTait> If I had one of those, I might not nearly give myself a hernia every time I travelled with my computer.
[11:03] <BigRedS> wot no nipple?
[11:03] <dwatkins> My laptop is 13", and I much prefer taking the netbook instead as it`s a lot smaller.
[11:04] <popey> heh
[11:05] <popey> thats now my benchmark for a laptop, does it have a touchpoint nipple
[11:05] <popey> if not, -> bin
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:05] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo
[11:05] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:06] <davmor2> hello bigcalm
[11:06] <diplo> You're one of the only people I know that likes the touchpoint nipple popey
[11:06] <bigcalm> I think I'd like a nipple if I had one
[11:06] <diplo> Guy next to me has never used his, nor anyone else in the office.. they actually get more annoyed with it being there
[11:06] <bigcalm> You can remove it (ymmv)
[11:06] <popey> oddballs
[11:07] <popey> you can buy an external keyboard with one in :)
[11:07] <popey> (see my wishlist) :D
[11:07] <popey> also http://www.pckeyboard.com/
[11:07] <BigRedS> it makes it way easier to pick laptops
[11:07] <BigRedS> when I was looking I only had to pick between about three
[11:07] <BigRedS> and I think two of them were Lenovo
[11:08] <popey> who else does them?
[11:08] <BigRedS> Dell used to do them on their Latitudes, and HP did a longer time ago
[11:08] <BigRedS> I don't think either do any more
[11:08] <dwatkins> I rarely open my laptop ;) it sits on my desk at work closed and connected to a monitor, mouse and keyboard.
[11:08] <bigcalm> Toshiba used to
[11:11] <BigRedS> Hm. Dell's website seems too broken to tell me if they still do
[11:19] <mgdm> My first laptop was a Toshiba, it only had the nipple, so that's how I got used to them
[11:19] <mgdm> prefer it above anyting else apart from maybe a Mac trackpad with all the gestures
[11:21] <popey> yeah
[11:25] <AlanBell> are there any generic alternatives to the apple magic touchpad?
[11:26] <popey> yes
[11:26] <davmor2> AlanBell: well there might of been till apple sued them all for making a touchpad :D
[11:27] <popey> dunno if they're multitouch tho
[11:27] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cirque-Easy-Cat-Glidepoint-Touchpad/dp/B000V5IFQA
[11:28] <AlanBell> that looks a bit rubbish
[11:28] <AlanBell> laptop touchpad on a wire
[11:29] <mgdm> I have a magic trackpad, but I took it to work for now
[11:29] <mgdm> it is very nice, and sort-of works with Ubuntu, but the weighting in the gesture config needs some work
[11:29] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/282973-logitech-wireless-touchpad-910-002442 looks a bit more like it
[12:26] <AlanBell> schwuk: can you stop the away script please
[12:26] <directhex> moo
[12:27] <popey> directhex, you may also want to do a video showing what happens with secure boot on and booting a live cd
[12:27] <popey> also, moo
[12:28] <directhex> popey, a bit more awkward, no CD drive on the x230 :D
[12:28] <directhex> i could use the T530 for that tho
[12:28] <dwatkins> strange, I thought I'd gotten irssi to ignore nickspam
[12:30] <popey> oh, or usb, sorry
[12:31] <directhex> i *do* have a USB CD drive
[12:31] <directhex> well, dvd burner
[12:31] <directhex> but the T530 might be easier
[12:35] <davmor2> popey: do you have ATI on any of your quantal boxes and did the binary driver ever install and display unity?
[12:38] <popey> no
[12:38] <popey> I only answered one of your questions, I do not feel it necessary to continue with the questioning :)
[12:40] <BigRedS> Which one's quantal? My home PC is 12.10 and I'm going to need to install a binary driver to get steam working on it
[12:40] <BigRedS> ah, 12.10 I guess. I know the alphabet, honest!
[12:42] <popey> !quantal
[12:43] <popey> Time passes..
[12:43] <Laney> no bot
[12:43] <popey> AlanBell, we're missing a bot here
[12:44] <Daviey> and mootbot is stuffed in #ubuntu-meeting
[12:44] <dogmatic69> memory usage 6.5GB -> sudo killall -9 chrome -> 1.2GB :/
[12:47] <BigRedS> I used to graph firefox memory usage, but that just scared me
[12:48] <popey> anyone here live in Leeds?
[12:49] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: I think they have some code that goes, while(memory) { fillit(); }
[12:50] <BigRedS> haha
[12:52] <popey> same happens with roads and kitchen bins
[12:52] <popey> tis human nature
[12:56] <BigRedS> moving to leeds?
[12:56] <BigRedS> :)
[13:01] <popey> no, come dine with me are looking for people in various places including leeds
[13:01] <popey> https://www.facebook.com/comedinewithme/posts/10151282375899204
[13:05] <BigRedS> ahhh
[13:11] <AlanBell> popey: Daviey: I am very aware of this . . .
[13:12] <BigRedS> popey: a while ago you asked for recommendations for people learning vi, what did you settle on, and was it vi or vim?
[13:12] <popey> BigRedS, vimtutor
[13:12] <popey> and a printed cheatsheet
[13:12] <n1md4> BigRedS: tsk tsk, you should have asked me :P
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> vi
[13:12] <n1md4> :P
[13:31] <BigRedS> popey: ta!
[15:23] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/13xpq4/game_performance_improvement_for_ubuntu_available/
[15:27] <czajkowski> https://fosdem.org/2013/news/2012-11-28-extended-deadlines/ may be of interest to some
[15:51] <balor> czajkowski, Is your twitter account haxor3d?
[15:51] <czajkowski> no.
[15:51] <czajkowski> why ?
[15:52] <balor> czajkowski, ah, just all the debit card stuff seemed strange
[15:52] <czajkowski> balor: yeah read the last one it's about security
[15:52] <czajkowski> people actually tweet their CC which has their name long number and exp date
[15:53] <balor> czajkowski, AH
[15:53] <balor> strange people
[15:54] <BigRedS> there used to be a robot that retweeted CC info
[15:56] <directhex> wiiu preordered
[16:13] <gord> forgot the wiiu wasn't out here yet
[16:15] <directhex> friday here.
[16:29] <BigRedS> I want my grub to automatically boot the first option out of that 'advanced options' submenu. Is that an easy thing to make it do?
[16:31] <BigRedS> oh, it's documented!
[16:57] <mungojerry> gord , did you go to hyper japan?
[16:58] <mungojerry> http://www.hyperjapan.co.uk/whats-on/foodanddrink/food-zone.html
[16:58] <gord> nope
[17:00] <gord> all looks so good
[17:00] <gord> i came back with half a suit case full of treats from korea, lots of tasty pocky ripoffs
[17:02] <mungojerry> this was in earls court though ...bit closer :D
[18:10] <bootinfdsds> Just posted a present to AlanBell :)
[18:15] <Myrtti> oh my, how far ahead do they record EggHeads...
[18:22] <bootinfdsds> dunno.. i thought that show was redundant by now.
[19:01] <jacobw> evening
[19:33] <popey> heh, got a phone call from a friend asking what tablet to buy for her husband
[19:35] <Azelphur> when in doubt nexus 7
[19:35] <Azelphur> :p
[19:41]  * dw4tkins agrees with Azelphur 
[19:42]  * brobostigon also agres.
[19:42] <directhex> depends on budget, and odd requirements. for the average grunt on the street, any ipad is best, assuming they can afford the apple tax
[19:43] <directhex> nexus 7 is a cheap alternative which is in the same ball park for usability, though. see also kindle fire hd
[19:44] <mgdm> we have a Fire HD and a 7 at work
[19:44] <mgdm> IIRC the screen on the 7 is higher resolution, despite the Fire being physically bigger
[19:47] <dw4tkins> I like the mini size of the Nexus, not sure how it compares to the iPad mini
[19:47] <dw4tkins> s/Nexus/Nexus 7/
[19:48] <mgdm> I played with an iPad mini yesterday, briefly
[19:48] <mgdm> belongs to our designer chap who works one week a month
[19:49] <mgdm> I was mildly surprised to discover it hasn't got a Retina display
[21:07] <Azelphur> Anyone recommend a nice current account with some nice perks / introductory offers? :)
[21:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno about perks but we've been pretty happy with First Direct (HSBC) since it started...
[21:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> If I was looking now I think I would have Virgin on my list to check out.
[21:12]  * AlanBell is also happy with first direct
[21:15] <AlanBell> First Direct was formed on 1 October 1989
[21:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds about right. I was 24.
[21:20] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: how is the laptop?
[21:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> It boots from a stick
[21:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Other than that I haven't done much.
[21:21] <AlanBell> ok, generally nice bit of kit?
[21:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's very nicely built. Feels solid and stursy yeah.
[21:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> sturdy
[21:22] <Azelphur> my parents had lots of problems with my local hsbc branch, I hear good things about hsbc often, but our local branch is a bit fail I think
[21:22] <AlanBell> first direct really isn't much to do with HSBC branches
[21:22] <AlanBell> all telephone and internet based
[21:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> With First Direct you really don't need to use a branch. Everything by Internet/phone
[21:23] <Azelphur> that's fun
[21:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> But if you need to pay in a cheque for example - then you can use HSBC branches
[21:23] <AlanBell> branches are just for depositing cheques from strange customers
[21:23] <Azelphur> ah
[21:24] <Azelphur> first direct are offering £100 for when I switch, but then they'd prolly want me to close my santander too
[21:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Astronomers find biggest black hole, 17 BILLION times the size of Sun
[21:24] <Azelphur> which from experience is rather difficult :p
[21:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/28/biggest_black_hole/
[21:24] <AlanBell> gosh, don't drop things in that
[21:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think it would be hard not too.