[01:04] <MutantTurkey> This ThinkCentre works awesome with wheezy. I am really pleased. Wheezy is really nice overall
[01:04] <MutantTurkey> spotify even works with it :-)
[01:54] <InHisName> TheLordOfTime: I used mesh running shoes.   Did not work out so well,,,,  socks got soaked, although feet weren't all that cold.  2 driveways cleaned 23 minutes.
[01:59] <MutantTurkey> quick question - is there a way to access stuff dynamically within my network?
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> or that is crazy?
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> say I have a domain, and I'd love to attached each one of my computers to a subdomain
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> like desktop-01.mutantturkey.com and such
[02:00] <MutantTurkey> so I could easily ssh into them each
[02:02] <InHisName> ought to be able to do that
[02:27] <ChinnoDog> sup MutantTurkey
[02:28] <MutantTurkey> hey dude
[02:28] <MutantTurkey> got synergy setup
[02:28] <ChinnoDog> Welcome to clipboard mayhem
[02:29] <ChinnoDog> Synergy works ok most of the time but it causes all sorts of weird things to happen to the clipboard in my experience
[02:31] <erstazi> @ping
[02:33] <waltman> MutantTurkey: gobble gobble!
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> I've survived another thanksgiving
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: I really want a better keyboard actually
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> that's what I need -_-
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> I have a complete crap logitech keyboard and I miss my laptop
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> but I love my desktop monitor and mouse :[
[02:34] <MutantTurkey> I want a thinkpad keyboard for my desktop
[02:34] <waltman> MutantTurkey: we were worried!
[02:35] <waltman> however, it's still gobbler season at Wawa
[02:35] <MutantTurkey> I know, I like to avoid the holidays altogether :p
[02:35] <MutantTurkey> actually I have successfully avoided all radio - christmas music so far.
[02:42] <ChinnoDog> I avoid holiday music until a few days before Christmas.
[02:42] <waltman> It's impossible to avoid.
[02:43] <ChinnoDog> I don't listen to the radio or watch TV so not impossible for me
[02:43] <MutantTurkey> same here
[02:43] <MutantTurkey> I don't own a radio or TV.
[02:44] <MutantTurkey> or cable rather - I have a TV for playing videos and such
[03:26] <Sadin> MutantTurkey ChinnoDog waltman, any of you have an old small rack mount you might consider selling?
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> didn't InHisName have one?!?
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> or did you not purchase one from him
[03:27] <Sadin> No i did not
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> I might have a hookup for you though, let me ask. I have a friend who is a IT manager at a company and was talking to him last weekend
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: did he have one or did you not get it?
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> he said he has some old stuff
[03:27] <Sadin> MutantTurkey he had one
[03:27] <MutantTurkey> and/
[03:28] <Sadin> id just like a small not to advanced one for my room
[03:28] <Sadin> MutentTurkey i havent talked to him in a long time
[03:28] <Sadin> dont know what happend to it
[03:28] <waltman> Sadin: I don't, but maybe JonathanD does? Seems like the kind of thing he collects. :)
[03:28]  * waltman is grumpier than usual tonight.
[03:28] <Sadin> waltman :(
[03:33] <waltman> I ordered an ipad online during Apple's Black Friday sale on Friday. But I fat-fingered my address on the order. This has caused the delivery to be delayed from Saturday to Wednesday.
[03:34] <waltman> This morning they were toying with me by changing the status to "On FedEx vehicle for delivery". That meant "We pulled it off the old truck to slap a new label on it, and now it's on a different truck for delivery TOMORROW.
[03:35] <waltman> I called in the address change Saturday afternoon, and they didn't do anything about it at the FedEx warehouse until Tuesday morning.
[03:40] <MutantTurkey> was there a good discount?
[03:41] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: why do you need a rack
[03:41] <MutantTurkey> I suggest getting a regular old desktop. Easier form factor to work with and doubles as a desktop?
[03:41] <MutantTurkey> other than the fact that racks are cool as shiznizzle
[03:41] <Sadin> MutantTurkey was buying a 55$ Rack server just to play with
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> 55 is cheap
[03:42] <MutantTurkey> I just got this ThinkCentre for like 60 bucks
[03:42] <Sadin> Mutant Turkey yeah i know its just a pentium4 and 1GB RAM but for a server to play on thats fine
[03:42] <Sadin> Or i could wait and get 110$ Xenon quad core 4gb ram
[03:44] <waltman> MutantTurkey: $40 off.
[03:44] <MutantTurkey> do it.
[03:45] <MutantTurkey> waltman: is that more or less than the drexel discount?
[03:48] <InHisName> I have TWO 19" racks, one low-boy only 40" tall, other nearly to ceiling.
[03:50] <InHisName> Many others got 'budget' rack from Ikea -->a rectangular plastic end table where the narrow end was perfect for 19" equipment.
[03:52] <waltman> there's no Drexel discount on iPads
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> waltman: shucks
[03:52] <MutantTurkey> is there any for any apple stuff?
[03:52] <waltman> Maybe. I didn't check everything.
[03:53] <Sadin> InHisName They have one on amazon for A/V equipment that fits 19" for only 23$
[03:53] <InHisName> waltman: You should have waited for this HIGH Quality site: http://motorola.avalon-dimension.com/
[03:55] <Sadin> InHIsName that looks shifty
[03:55] <InHisName> Might be same table that Ikea sells.
[03:56] <InHisName> You calling my discovery of Highly Respectible ReSellers --> shifty    <-- yes you did put an 'f' in there.
[03:57] <Sadin> InHisName lol i am
[03:58] <InHisName> I gave them my spammerhole email address and spammer VoIP phone #,  no messages after 8 hours so far.
[03:59] <InHisName> Amazing isn't it?   Not a single spammail received since I 'registered'.
[04:01] <MutantTurkey> that looks so sketch
[04:01] <InHisName> Hmmm, I wonder, if you had an email with hundreds of spam a day, would registering with these 'upright' sellers, would totally clean up all the incomming spam into TOTAL silence ?
[04:02] <MutantTurkey> lol
[10:17] <rmg51> Morning
[10:19] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:20] <JonathanD> Sadin, waltman, no racks, sorry :)
[10:20] <JonathanD> There was a full size one tossed at my office (not by us) a few months ago.
[13:14] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[14:05] <InHisName> Morning early birds
[18:48] <MutantTurkey> is there a name for a number that cannot be log'd to a whole number?
[18:48] <TheLordOfTime> perhaps ##math ?
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> yeah...
[18:49] <waltman> log'd to a whole number?
[18:51] <waltman> MutantTurkey: assuming you mean logarithms, it depends on the base.
[18:52] <MutantTurkey> right
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> any whole base that is not 1 or the number
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> apparently it's a non-trivial perfect power according to ##math
[18:53] <waltman> I really don't think there is a term for that.
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> or not
[18:53] <MutantTurkey> " a number which is not a nontrivial perfect power"
[18:54] <Sadin> logarithms... my next assignment
[18:54] <Sadin> lol
[18:54] <waltman> i.e. "There's no term for what you want, so here's a long explanation of what it is."
[18:54] <TheLordOfTime> what waltman said
[18:54] <waltman> I've never understood why people find logarithms so confusing.
[18:55] <Sadin> I have barely scratched the surface of em
[18:55] <waltman> Didn't you study them in high school?
[18:55] <Sadin> Im still in highschool
[18:55] <Sadin> im 17
[18:55] <MutantTurkey> yeah.
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> I mean I understand them
[18:56] <waltman> aha!
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> I really feel like our teachers failed to explain_what_ they are
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> rather than how they work
[18:56] <Sadin> Our teacher is JUST starting them
[18:56] <Sadin>  ^
[18:56] <Sadin> And what turkey said
[18:56] <MutantTurkey> you can explain the conversion from powers and logs and all of that, but if you don't understand why or what it is.. it'll always be confuseing
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> MutantTurkey, sounds like my calculus teacher not explaining what the bloody hell an integral is
[18:56] <TheLordOfTime> and just expecting us to know.
[18:56] <waltman> MutantTurkey: to be fair, *what* logarithms are is fairly trivial. It's their use that makes logs interesting.
[18:57] <waltman> I really need to work on my "remedial high school math for geeks" talk
[18:58] <waltman> MutantTurkey: base 2 logarithms are vital to analyzing algorithms
[18:58] <Sadin> I need to build a script in PHP that does base conversions need to look into the log() function
[18:58] <Sadin> maybe ill just write it in python....
[18:59] <waltman> why would a log function need to do base conversions?
[18:59] <waltman> answer: it wouldn't
[18:59] <Sadin> waltman aparently thats what i was told
[19:00] <waltman> by "base conversion", do you mean "convert 42 to base 3?"
[19:00] <Sadin> waltman yeah
[19:00] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[19:00] <waltman> that's completely different from the 'base' in logarithms.
[19:00] <TheLordOfTime> what waltman said
[19:01] <jedijf> all math questions pm waltman
[19:01] <jedijf> address questions, not so much.......
[19:01] <Sadin> TheLordOfTime waltman okay
[19:01]  * waltman <- majored in math, not geography
[19:01] <Sadin> well i didnt know
[19:02]  * TheLordOfTime is IT security, so there.
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> but even I know logarithms won't help you go from Base ??? to any other base.
[19:02]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[19:02]  * TheLordOfTime notices he's 2 minutes late for class
[19:02] <TheLordOfTime> DAMN IT!
[19:02] <jedijf> all time questions........
[19:03]  * TheLordOfTime timejumps back two minutes, shows up ON TIME for class
[19:05] <waltman> You probably want / and % (division and remainder) to convert between bases
[19:06] <waltman> I wonder if I could talk for an entire hour on log and %.
[19:06] <Sadin> waltman i was pointed towards this logb(x)=logb(c)logc(x)
[19:07] <waltman> logb = log base b?
[19:07] <jedijf> Sadin: bring waltman for show and tell!
[19:08] <waltman> Sadin: I think maybe what you're thinking of is that log_b(x) = log_k(x)/log_k(b).
[19:09] <waltman> That lets you convert between bases. For example, if you want a log_10 but all you have is ln, you can compute ln(x)/ln(10) = log_10(x)
[19:10] <Sadin> waltman yeah im pretty sure that was it
[19:10] <Sadin> i dont have a scientific calculator on me to try it
[19:11] <waltman> trust me, it works :)
[19:11] <Sadin> waltman ! maybe i can pull up IDLE
[19:11] <waltman> also whatever computer you're on most likely has a scientific calculator app somewhere
[19:11] <Sadin> hmmm
[19:12] <Sadin> waltman so is x the base im currently in?
[19:13] <waltman> no, in those examples you can read "_a" as "base a"
[19:13] <waltman> ln = log_e
[19:14] <waltman> computers and calculators all compute logs base e because the math is a little simpler
[19:14] <Sadin> well whats base e?
[19:14] <waltman> e=271828... and is a magic number in calculus similar to pi
[19:15] <Sadin> I only have to do bases 2 through 10
[19:15] <waltman> oh, you'll get to e soon enough :)
[19:15] <Sadin> im not in calc yet im in trig lol
[19:16] <waltman> ah. well, don't worry about it then.
[19:17] <Sadin> waltman now i just need to figure out how i would do this in PHP
[19:17] <Sadin> i know there is a log() function
[19:20] <waltman> That even lets you set the base.
[19:20] <Sadin> waltman yup i have to mimic this http://dallbee.com/scripts/convert.php
[19:20] <Sadin> i gtg schools letting out
[19:22] <waltman> Kids these days, not learning their math...
[20:05] <InHisName> what do you have to do?  count up to n in each base ? or ???
[20:12] <Sadin> InHisName i need to make a conversion tool thats really it
[20:13] <InHisName> input A base, B number,  C new base,  get new number ?
[20:24] <Sadin> InHisName mhm
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> so... take Base 10's 10 and convert to, say, Base 16?
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> (decimal -> hex)
[20:38] <TheLordOfTime> or what?
[20:45] <waltman> Sadin: using that formula I posted, it's trivial
[21:15] <InHisName> If you don't understand the formula yet, then there is always the brute force method.