[05:15] <Kilos> hi superfly jrgns and others
[05:15] <jrgns> morning
[05:15] <Kilos> still got web probs superfly ?
[05:34] <magespawn_> morning all
[05:34] <Kilos> hey magespawn_ 
[05:34] <magespawn_> right click it and select run as admin
[05:34] <magespawn_> reading the logs from last night
[05:35] <Kilos> whew ive forgotten last night 
[05:35] <magespawn_> for the command prompt in win
[05:35] <Kilos> got it running a full chkdsk in 1st 1TB
[05:36] <Kilos> but soooo slow
[05:36] <Kilos> takes 10 mins just to boot up
[05:36] <Kilos> grrr
[05:36] <Kilos> hows things there magespawn_ 
[05:37] <Kilos> you winning
[05:37] <magespawn_> chkdsk on 1tb is going to take awhile
[05:37] <Kilos> how come you got a tail
[05:37] <magespawn_> i always win, sometimes long after the race is finished
[05:37] <Kilos> rofl
[05:37] <Kilos> well said
[05:37] <magespawn_> good question
[05:38] <Kilos> 1 TB is rather large hey
[05:39] <magespawn> a fair amount yes
[05:44] <Kilos> but if this chkdsk stuff works then i got 5 outa the 14 going again
[05:44] <Kilos> one hasnt even got the card underneath
[05:44] <Kilos> that looks wrong
[05:45] <Kilos> underneeth
[05:45] <Kilos> whew
[05:45] <Kilos> even worse
[05:48] <magespawn> there is not much to be done with that, you can get a card from another drive that is the same
[05:49] <Kilos> ya but will need to wait long for that
[05:50] <Kilos> seagate doesnt supply new one either
[05:54] <Kilos> and its 500g what a loss that is
[05:55] <magespawn> one of thsoe things
[05:55] <magespawn> on my way out for a bit bbl
[05:56] <Kilos> go well
[05:57] <superfly> Kilos: on my cellphone on the train this morning, yes. At home? Apparently not.
[05:58] <Kilos> ouch
[06:36] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[06:36] <Kilos> hey magespawn that was quick
[06:36] <magespawn> mmm forgotten wireless network
[06:37] <Kilos> aw
[06:38] <magespawn> peeps tend to panic a bit when things do not "just" work the way they did
[06:41] <Kilos> yeah and then its very urgent
[06:43] <Kilos> had a good chuckle at smile last night. he will still learn , when the fly talks-listen
[06:43] <Kilos> very clever kid that just needs the right guidance
[06:44] <magespawn> mmm indeed
[06:46] <Kilos> hi SilverCode 
[06:46] <SilverCode> morning
[06:47] <Kilos>  but magespawn as they say, hire a teenager because they know everything
[06:51] <Kilos> or while they know everything
[07:01] <magespawn> while they know everything
[07:19] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:30] <Kilos> oh magespawn to sort win probs get ccleaner . i havent tried on 7 but made big diffs on xp
[07:31] <Kilos> the free one
[07:31] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:33] <magespawn> Kilos is it a windows program?
[07:33] <Kilos> no private thing
[07:33] <Kilos> works well. doubled the speed
[07:33] <Kilos> sorts lotsa probs
[07:34] <Kilos> http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download
[07:34] <Kilos> thats for 7 methinks
[07:35] <Kilos> me needs to discuss the win thing with inetpro 
[07:35] <magespawn> i have just downloaded it now. i will let you know how it goes
[07:38] <Kilos> actually an everyone opinion is good
[07:38] <Kilos> who here doesnt need to repair any windows pc's
[07:38] <Kilos> or use them at work etc
[07:39]  * Kilos waits for ai
[07:40] <magespawn> i worked on a pc recently that had a 6.9gig recycle bin, and the hard drive was almost full
[07:41] <Kilos> wow
[07:41] <Kilos> teach them how to empty it
[07:41] <Kilos> hehe
[07:41] <magespawn> there was not enough space for the swap file to work porperly
[07:42] <magespawn> wow just had a wasabi peanut that felt like i had swallowed a piece of lava
[07:42] <Kilos> one needs to teach peeps that it is like a dustbin at home
[07:43] <Kilos> when full you aint got a dustbin anymore
[07:43] <magespawn> that is a good way to teach it 
[07:43] <Kilos> lol i love wasabi
[07:43] <Kilos> oesnt burn long luckily
[07:43] <Kilos> doesnt
[07:43] <magespawn> me too, but that one caught me by surprise
[07:44] <magespawn> right up the nose
[07:44] <Kilos> ha ha ha you not supposed to breathe in with mouth already open
[07:48] <magespawn> wow that ccleaner removed 5481MB from the computer
[07:48] <magespawn> all log files and temp files
[07:49] <magespawn> running the reg cleaner now to see what that picks up
[07:52] <magespawn> that removed 418 registry entries for things like shared dll and orphaned entries, am going to reboot and see what happens\
[07:52] <Kilos> ok
[07:52] <magespawn> brb
[07:54] <magespawn> okay it is busy with updates now too
[07:57] <Kilos> yeah sorts missing shortcuts and registry probs and lots more
[08:05] <magespawn> seems to be running okay
[08:05] <magespawn> did not notice any speed increase in booting
[08:07] <magespawn> still win i suppose
[08:09] <Kilos> ya got to go through the motions
[08:21] <inetpro> Kilos: goeie more
[08:21] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[08:22] <Kilos> we just gaaning aan inetpro 
[08:22] <inetpro> Kilos: you just need to stop doing the win thing, especially in here
[08:22] <Kilos> we need to discuss the mentioning of the other os here
[08:22] <inetpro> somewhere we have to draw the line
[08:23] <inetpro> there are many other places where you can discuss it
[08:23] <Kilos> ok was just thinking that all of you need to work on them machines too
[08:23] <inetpro> no
[08:23] <Kilos> ya i have my channel
[08:24] <inetpro> we don't
[08:24] <Kilos> at school?
[08:24] <inetpro> well I try not to get involved in any windows support
[08:24] <Kilos> lol at try
[08:24] <inetpro> not that I can always avoid but I try
[08:26] <Kilos> ok so when you have no choice then where you get help from
[08:26] <Kilos> apart from google that is
[08:26] <inetpro> dump it in the dustbin
[08:27] <Kilos> lol
[08:28] <inetpro> support for that OS is literally non-existent 
[08:28] <inetpro> unless
[08:28] <inetpro> unless you have lots of moola in the back pocket
[08:28] <Kilos> ya i know
[08:28] <Kilos> so
[08:28] <Kilos> we should help mekaar with whatever we can
[08:29] <Kilos> my channel can be used for it
[08:29] <inetpro> and then you keep racing for the next solution only to create more problems for yourself
[08:29] <magespawn> maybe we could start an alternate channel
[08:29] <Kilos> the prob might be win but we a family and should helk mekaar
[08:30] <magespawn> indeed that is true, but not sure about how that will affect other things like the loco 
[08:30] <Kilos> see the help isnt actually win help and support its supporting each other
[08:30] <Kilos> not so
[08:31] <inetpro> well I'm not the boss here but I prefer keeping discussions in this channel primarily focused on the ubuntu range of distros
[08:31] <Kilos> its not for outside win users just the family
[08:31] <Kilos> i see your point and accept. my channel is available for that kinda help then
[08:32] <inetpro> well just make sure you abide by the rules of freenode
[08:32] <Kilos> i got you too watch me
[08:32] <magespawn> i am on the win channel, and there is a lot in linux flying around there too, but point is made
[08:33] <inetpro> because many of these discussions that include that other OS tend to include downloads of illegal software
[08:33] <Kilos> oh i see what you getting at
[08:34] <Kilos> sigh we gonna be quiet most of the time here
[08:34] <Kilos> we dont have so many probs
[08:36] <inetpro> well I'm not saying that you're not allowed to ever mention the word but please just don't go over board
[08:36] <inetpro> other people will think that we've become a windows support channel
[08:37] <Kilos> ok
[08:37] <inetpro> oh and the simple fact is, their are still lots of challenges even on ubuntu
[08:38]  * Kilos apologises
[08:38] <inetpro> just try focus on that
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just as guilty going totally off topic at times
[08:39] <Kilos> haha thats why i say its a family channel that helps our community
[08:40] <Kilos> we dont help outsiders with the other os
[08:41] <inetpro> let's just all try be reasonable and stick to the topic as far as possible
[08:41] <Kilos> ok
[08:41] <inetpro> anyway, I have work to do
[08:41] <Kilos> reprimand accepted
[08:42] <Kilos> enjoy
[08:42] <Kilos> no win pcs hey
[08:42] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <inetpro> the good thing about being involved in multiple focused channels is that you can at least point people to the right channel in order to get proper support from other experts specializing in a specific field
[08:49] <inetpro> oh and others are more than welcome to chime in 
[08:49]  * inetpro doesn't make the rules
[08:50] <Kilos> hmmm
[08:50] <Kilos> go work inetpro 
[08:57] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[09:04] <inetpro> wb drussell
[09:20] <jrgns> inetpro: fwiw, i agree. ms issues bore me.
[09:20] <charl_> good morning
[09:20] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[09:20]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:21] <jrgns> morning
[09:21] <charl_> hi jrgns 
[09:22] <mazal> Morning all
[09:23] <jrgns> mornin
[09:24] <Kilos> hi mazal jr
[09:24] <Kilos> oh my
[09:24] <Kilos> jrgns, 
[09:24] <Kilos> ah hi charl_ 
[09:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[09:33] <jrgns> hi K
[09:33] <jrgns> Kilos
[10:09] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[10:10] <Vince-0> Haai Kilos 
[10:10] <Vince-0> *grinding through some mail auth trouble-shooting
[11:38] <inetpro> jrgns: thanks
[11:38] <inetpro> Kilos: you see, he even kept quiet all this time :-)
[11:39] <Kilos> he who?
[11:39] <inetpro> Kilos: jrgns man
[11:39] <Kilos> lol
[11:39] <Kilos> he feels intimidated
[11:39] <inetpro> you chasing our linux guys away with your windows chatter 
[11:40] <Kilos> he greeted me
[11:40] <inetpro> Kilos: don't stress to much about it
[11:40] <Kilos> jrgns, did i frighten you away?
[11:40]  * inetpro lol
[11:41] <Kilos> hehe you wrong everyone here is my friend
[11:41] <Kilos> the funny one left long ago
[11:42] <Kilos> maybe i drove him away with my stupid questions
[11:42] <inetpro> Kilos: no man, he's still around
[11:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I said, don't stress to much about it
[11:42] <Kilos> lol
[11:43]  * Kilos sulks
[11:43] <Kilos> i think you stopped us so that you havent got so much to read to catch up with whats going on
[11:43] <jrgns> Kilos: no, but if I see M$ talk, i look away
[11:44] <Kilos> aw
[11:44] <Kilos> know your enemy
[11:44] <jrgns> i know enough to know i don't want to know!
[11:44] <Kilos> lol
[11:54]  * inetpro agrees with jrgns
[11:55] <inetpro> it hurts them eyes
[12:07] <Kilos> inetpro, jrgns fix chat sounds in kde for me
[12:07] <Kilos> does that sound better
[12:07] <Kilos> 12.04
[12:07]  * jrgns waves a magic wand
[12:07] <jrgns> there, it's fixed
[12:07] <Kilos> hehe
[12:14] <jrgns> soz, no, i'm not a big fan of chat sounds, so i don't even know if mine works or not
[12:15] <Kilos> it doesnt work. they said it will be fixed in 12.10
[12:16] <Kilos> i need the sound. eye dont see alert goodies
[12:16] <Kilos> we all tried
[12:16] <Kilos> inetpro, you here??
[12:17] <Kilos> my 12.04 kde is going again
[12:17] <Kilos> dont ask why or how
[12:18] <Kilos> now i go sleep a while so shup
[12:27] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm...
[12:27] <inetpro> lekker slaap oom
[12:28] <Kilos> dankie ou
[12:28] <Kilos> hey jergy a du twa 
[12:28] <Kilos> same as sis
[12:46] <jrgns> Kilos ?
[12:46] <Kilos> yessir
[12:47] <jrgns> "hey jergy a du twa"?
[12:50] <Kilos> oh my sister is a du toit as well
[12:50] <jrgns> ah. quality
[12:52] <Kilos> but she loves xp
[12:52] <Kilos> hehe
[12:57] <charl_> hi Kilos
[12:57] <charl_> wow got so busy with something i completely forgot about irc
[12:57] <charl_> :)
[12:57] <Kilos> hey charl_ 
[12:58] <Kilos> thats sad
[12:58] <Kilos> irc should be first connection
[12:59] <charl_> :D
[12:59] <charl_> it doens't pay my rent though :P
[13:01] <Kilos> man go 5 mins earlier to work to connect
[13:01] <charl_> haha
[15:38] <superfly> *yawn*
[15:41] <Kilos> hi magtie 
[15:41] <Kilos> you napped on the train again superfly 
[15:42] <superfly> no, been too busy discussing web site matters with some folks
[15:42] <superfly> but I really should have
[15:42] <Kilos> you dont get enough sleep
[15:42] <Kilos> you gonna get sick
[15:42] <Kilos> you a ballie now you know
[15:50] <magtie> Hi Kilos & Everyone
[15:51]  * mazal peeks in
[15:58] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[16:40] <Kilos> hi queery psydroid 
[16:40] <psydroid> hi queery Kilos
[17:01] <magespawn> evening
[17:05] <mazal> lo magespawn 
[17:05] <magespawn> hey mazal
[17:06] <mazal> Things are quiet today
[17:07] <magespawn> we had quite a chat in kilos' channel earlier
[17:10] <magespawn> and there he goes
[17:10] <magespawn> mazal are you a loco member on launchpad?
[17:11] <mazal> Yep I am
[17:11] <magespawn> cool
[17:11] <mazal> Still don't understand when to use what website for though hehehehe
[17:13] <magespawn> i have a problem getting into the forums
[17:13] <magespawn> we all do our best 
[17:13] <mazal> You can't log in ?
[17:14] <magespawn> i get the password mixed up with one of the others
[17:14] <Squirm> evening
[17:14] <mazal> Lo Squirm 
[17:14] <magespawn> hey Squirm
[17:15] <magespawn> Squirm are you a loco member on launchpad?
[17:16] <Squirm> magespawn: no?
[17:16] <Squirm> umm
[17:16] <Squirm> maybe
[17:16] <Squirm> I may have signed up to something on launchpad a while back
[17:18] <magespawn> i had to check mine awhile back too
[17:19] <magespawn> makes you 'officially' part of ubuntu-za
[17:19] <magespawn> you get to sign the code of conduct too
[17:19] <Squirm> do I get a joiners bonus?
[17:23] <Squirm> turns out I do have a launchpad account
[17:23] <Squirm> Member since:
[17:23] <Squirm> 2009-10-31
[17:23] <magespawn> not sure, you get kudos here though, and as much coffee as Maaz can make
[17:23] <Squirm> hmm...
[17:23] <magespawn> cool
[17:24] <Squirm> turns out I've been a member for ages
[17:28] <mazal> Evening smile4ever 
[17:28] <smile4ever> hi :)
[17:28] <queery> oh sorry hi psydroid 
[17:29] <psydroid> queery, no problem, welcome back
[17:29] <psydroid> hoi smile4ever :)
[17:29] <smile4ever> hi :)
[17:29] <psydroid> hi mazal
[17:29] <mazal> Hi psydroid 
[17:29] <smile4ever> psydroid: do you know php enough ? :p
[17:30] <psydroid> and Squirm and magespawn
[17:30] <Squirm> hmm
[17:30] <magespawn> hey psydroid
[17:30] <psydroid> smile4ever, you know I only study people these days :P
[17:31] <Squirm> creepy
[17:33] <smile4ever> psydroid: oh :p
[17:34] <psydroid> haha
[17:36]  * mazal needs something to fiddle with
[17:36] <magespawn> gets most of his material here
[17:38] <mazal> wb Kilos 
[17:39] <Kilos> ty power cut in whole area
[17:39] <Kilos> grrr
[17:39] <mazal> Again
[17:39] <Kilos> yeah
[17:40] <mazal> They not finished with the changes yet ?
[17:40] <Kilos> tyhis is different
[17:40] <Kilos> maybe some over load or something
[17:40] <Kilos> then you gotta wait till the guy goes from home to reset
[17:40] <magespawn> amazing how often that happens
[17:41] <Kilos> frustrating
[17:41] <Kilos> and i had a serious dd command here on opera to copy the mbr from one drive to another
[17:42] <magespawn> that would be useful
[17:42] <mazal> Have you guys used dcfldd before ?
[17:43] <mazal> It's dd , but with progress indication
[17:43] <Kilos> never. we scared of dd commands
[17:43] <mazal> hehehe
[17:43] <mazal> dd is kwaai man :)
[17:43] <magespawn> no but then never used dd either
[17:44] <Kilos> very serious commands
[17:44] <Kilos> can zero a drive in 1 sec
[17:44] <Kilos> mbr and everything gone
[17:44] <mazal> I use it when needing to clone usb sticks , or to wipe one
[17:44] <magespawn> cool sounds like fun
[17:45] <mazal> Ot when I want to make a backup image of bootable sticks
[17:45] <Kilos> actually had it work here on one of the drives i fixed magespawn 
[17:45] <mazal> or even
[17:46] <Kilos> only trick is straight after you shutdown and only leave that drive in and boot and let ubuntu use whole disk
[17:46] <Kilos> then the mb replaces the mbr i think
[17:46] <Kilos> the bios or something
[17:49] <magespawn> brb
[17:50] <mazal> Kilos, I tried looking into that Ubuntu book. But couldn't find a downloadable version 
[17:50] <mazal> Seems one can only buy it
[17:50] <Kilos> im sure i saw something about free download or something
[17:51] <Kilos> here is that command
[17:51] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sga bs=512 count=1,
[17:51] <mazal> sga ?
[17:51] <mazal> What device is that ?
[17:51] <Kilos> sdb it would be here
[17:52] <Kilos> that was for an external
[17:52] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/139356/corrupted-mbr-mbr-repair-does-not-recognise
[17:54] <magespawn> there are several verions of ubuntu books available as pdf
[17:54] <Kilos> i dunno if that , must be left off
[17:55] <Kilos> mazal, whats your opinion on that last comma
[17:56] <mazal> I don't think it must be there
[17:56] <Kilos> i think it should be left off
[17:56] <Kilos> ya
[17:56] <mazal> Agree
[17:56] <mazal> So that command copies ONLY the mbr ?
[17:56] <Kilos> im scared of dd
[17:56] <Kilos> the fly said they dangerous
[17:57] <mazal> Ya it doesn't have the nickname "disk destroy" for nothing
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> well i gonna give it a try
[17:59] <mazal> oi , good luck
[17:59] <Kilos> no other choice to sort what i think is some corruption in the mbr
[18:00] <Kilos> ubuntu live cd takes forever to open when that drive is connected
[18:00] <magespawn> i see why superfly said it was dangerous
[18:00] <Kilos> even my unity takes about 7 mins with that drive as second drive
[18:01] <Kilos> lol what you read magespawn ?
[18:01] <magespawn> put the wrong values in and you copy the empty disk to the full one and have nothing
[18:01] <mazal> Indeed
[18:01] <mazal> Must be VERY sure you enter the correct device names
[18:01] <magespawn> and once you hit enter there is no confirmation or password check or anything
[18:02] <magespawn> like the old cloning software
[18:02] <magespawn> good way to zero write a disk
[18:02] <mazal> The age old qoute "linux asumes you know what you are doing" hehehehe
[18:02] <magespawn> yup
[18:03] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 for those who do not know
[18:03] <Kilos> here is the zero one
[18:03] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[18:03] <Kilos> works for me 
[18:03] <magespawn> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/10/dd-command-examples/ and http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/ for practical examples
[18:04] <Kilos> i copy paste so i dont make mistakes
[18:04] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[18:04] <magespawn> good way to do it
[18:05] <nlsthzn> o/
[18:07] <magespawn> hey nlsthzn
[18:07] <nlsthzn> how are you all?
[18:07] <magespawn> finally sorted my forum sign on
[18:07] <mazal> Hi nlsthzn 
[18:07] <nlsthzn> didn't know you had issues
[18:07] <mazal> Good thanx and you
[18:08] <nlsthzn> always good thanks :) 
[18:08] <Kilos> good ty nlsthzn and you?
[18:08] <magespawn> agg not really just confused the password
[18:08] <Kilos> haha
[18:08] <nlsthzn> it happens :)
[18:08] <magespawn> and the username/email address
[18:08] <magespawn> so could not get password reset
[18:09] <magespawn> but all sorted now
[18:09]  * nlsthzn waits to see if TF2 works again
[18:09] <magespawn> was last active the 8th August 2009
[18:10] <nlsthzn> oh wow, that is some time ago
[18:10] <nlsthzn> :D success TF2 works 
[18:15] <magespawn> i think that was my only activity too, found this place and that was that
[18:16] <nlsthzn> I enjoy the forum... but each has its strenghts and weaknesses I guess
[18:17] <mazal> What I like about the forum is that I can print the answers to pdf
[18:18] <magespawn> do not know why i never really used the forums
[18:19] <nlsthzn> I found the forum before IRC so I guess that is what hooked me
[18:20] <mazal> Kilos , your drive still alive ?
[18:21] <Kilos> it shows as unallocated
[18:21] <Kilos> grrr
[18:21] <mazal> And if you try and create a partition ?
[18:22] <Kilos> then it says go device create partition table
[18:22] <Kilos> then there dos and other stuff. dunno which one to use
[18:23] <Kilos> sun  and loop and amiga and mac
[18:23] <Kilos> and more
[18:23] <mazal> Sounds like the partition table is damaged
[18:23] <Kilos> ya its the drive im sukkeling with
[18:23] <Kilos> got it working but super slow
[18:24] <Kilos> now trying a new route
[18:24] <Kilos> no route -n
[18:24] <mazal> Why don't you re-create the partition table ?
[18:24] <mazal> Or you don't want to loose the data ?
[18:24] <Kilos> gparted says it cant
[18:24] <Kilos> error while creating
[18:24] <mazal> ooooh , THAT drive
[18:24] <Kilos> lo hubx 
[18:25] <Kilos> lol ya that one
[18:25] <hubx> hi all
[18:25] <hubx> hi Kilos 
[18:25] <mazal> lo hubx 
[18:25] <mazal> Drop test ?
[18:26] <Kilos> no man
[18:26] <mazal> lol
[18:26] <Kilos> 2 tb is too much to play with
[18:26] <Kilos> gotta fix
[18:27] <mazal> How about imaging your main drive , then loading that image onto that one ?
[18:27] <magespawn> Kilos you tried Disk Utility hey ?
[18:27] <mazal> That recreates partition table as well
[18:27] <Kilos> ya i did few days ago it also refused to do something
[18:28] <Kilos> ill go try again now after new mbr copied
[18:29] <Kilos> now i forgot how i got it unallocated last time
[18:30] <Kilos> grrr
[18:34] <Kilos> magespawn, where you see what disk utility is doing
[18:34] <Kilos> i told it to format guid table
[18:35] <Kilos> aw error formatting
[18:36] <magespawn> what are you looking for Kilos? progress bar?
[18:37] <Kilos> ya something like that to see if its actually doing something
[18:37] <Kilos> hate hidden stuff
[18:37] <superfly> progress bars are for sissies
[18:37] <Kilos> rofl
[18:38] <mazal> I actually viewed my SMART data for the first time now
[18:38] <Kilos> how do i know if its busy or finished or what superfly 
[18:38] <mazal> Never even looked at it before
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: like Chuck, you'll know when it is finished because it tells you so.
[18:39] <Kilos> disk utility says that drive doesnt support smart
[18:39] <Kilos> lol it just said error
[18:40] <Kilos> helper failed with mke2fs
[18:42] <nlsthzn> night al
[18:42] <nlsthzn> night all
[18:42] <Kilos> night nlsthzn 
[18:42] <mazal> Sleep well nlsthzn 
[18:42] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42] <inetpro> good night nlsthzn
[18:43] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:43] <inetpro> eh Kilos
[18:50] <mazal> Night everyone , sleep well
[19:21] <inetpro> anyone know anything about Yahsat?
[19:22] <inetpro> apparently affordable satellite broadband
[19:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:23] <Kilos> with what kinda modem
[19:23] <Kilos> and satelite dish?
[19:23] <inetpro> people pitching that as the next best thing since ice cream
[19:24] <inetpro> at least in rural Mpumalanga that is
[19:24] <Kilos> oh ya theres no icecream there iether
[19:24] <inetpro> Kilos: exactly
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> its like satelite fones
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, and data
[19:25] <Kilos> not cheap to start with
[19:25] <inetpro> something like R6000 to start with
[19:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:26] <inetpro> madness
[19:26] <Kilos> and when heavy clouds no signal
[19:26] <inetpro> but my question is whether it really works in the long run
[19:26] <Kilos> ya the guys with bucks use them cellphones anywhere
[19:27] <Kilos> but they are mega buck earners
[19:30] <Kilos> like big business tycoons who need hands on even when touring or on holiday
[19:32] <inetpro> ok, so let's look at the disadvantages of satellite
[19:32] <Kilos> not many
[19:32] <Kilos> compare it with dstv
[19:33] <inetpro> Signal delay
[19:33] <Kilos> offline much less than normal tv
[19:33] <inetpro> Cost
[19:33] <Kilos> actually very fast
[19:33] <Kilos> cost is the killer
[19:33] <inetpro> anything else?
[19:34] <Kilos> ive watched peeps play games on dstv and there signal is quick
[19:34] <Kilos> direct line of site to satelite
[19:34] <inetpro> and when something breaks?
[19:35] <inetpro> how quick can they fly up there to repair?
[19:35] <Kilos> rofl
[19:35] <Kilos> with the next shuttle or russin space voyage
[19:35] <smile4ever> byee :p
[19:35] <inetpro> smile4ever: mooi loop
[19:35] <Kilos> but they have many backup systems in place
[19:35] <smile4ever> inetpro: :)
[19:35] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[19:35] <smile4ever> good night oom Kilos :p
[19:36] <inetpro> and what about noise and interference?
[19:36] <Kilos> lekker slaap  boetie
[19:36] <Kilos> nearly none inetpro 
[19:36] <Kilos> its a digital signal
[19:36] <inetpro> sjoe Kilos, you sound like an expert in all fields
[19:36] <Kilos> ai
[19:36] <inetpro> :-)
[19:37] <Kilos> bit of basic knowledge in many fields
[19:37] <Kilos> expert at none
[19:37] <inetpro> oops I forgot you where in communications
[19:37] <Kilos> oh farming maybe half way
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <Kilos> ya satelite is next step from radio
[19:38] <Kilos> ask bmg505 for more info
[19:38] <Kilos> or the outjie in the cape
[19:38] <Kilos> forget who now
[19:38] <Kilos> bakuman, maybe
[19:40]  * inetpro don't want my people investing big bucks when it ends up with big frustration
[19:40] <Kilos> who is the other ham here
[19:40] <Kilos> i think it is the future but not for small peeps
[19:41] <Kilos> like compare dstv to sabc tv
[19:43] <Kilos> and HD tv
[19:44] <Kilos> as you know your heaviest strain is on download speed
[19:44] <Kilos> how much tata you think is moving to give a clear picture on a high definition tv
[19:44] <inetpro> the interesting thing is that most people down there all have dstv
[19:44] <Kilos> s/tata/data
[19:45] <Kilos> there are very few breakdowns
[19:45] <inetpro> lots of data involved
[19:45] <Kilos> and they just reset it from down here via pc
[19:45] <inetpro> but the monthly cost is ridiculous
[19:45] <magespawn> inetpro i know a bit about Yahclick i resell it
[19:46] <inetpro> magespawn: yikes
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: watch the salesman come out now :-)
[19:46] <magespawn> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:47] <magespawn>  not here  would pm you for that
[19:47] <inetpro> lol
[19:47] <magespawn> can give info if you wan though
[19:47] <magespawn> want
[19:47] <Kilos> magespawn, dd ing the mbr seems to have cured some of the corruption
[19:48] <magespawn> thats good
[19:48] <Kilos> installed 6+1 in about 35 mins
[19:48] <Kilos> last time took hours
[19:48] <magespawn> maybe if you dd the whole drive that will work with zero info
[19:50] <inetpro> magespawn: info would be much appreciated
[19:50] <magespawn> what would you like to know?
[19:51] <inetpro> anything and everything
[19:51] <magespawn> i can mail you the info i have
[19:55] <inetpro> thanks magespawn
[20:01] <Kilos> w000t
[20:01] <Kilos> 2tb drive fixed
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: mooi!
[20:01] <magespawn> cool Kilos
[20:01] <Kilos> can quick format 1.1 tb in 5 secs
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: now go fill it up with data and test it again
[20:02] <Kilos> now im happy as a pig in mud
[20:02] <inetpro> then format again
[20:02] <Kilos> lol i might not make it till end of month on data as it is
[20:03] <Kilos> where will i find 2 tb data
[20:03] <inetpro> make up your own man
[20:03] <inetpro> dd
[20:03] <Kilos> i got max about 20 g on all pcs
[20:03] <Kilos> no no no
[20:03] <Kilos> leave dd alone
[20:03] <Kilos> leave well enough alone
[20:03] <inetpro> lol
[20:04] <Kilos> i now have 2 dd commands i know work
[20:05] <Kilos> but last one took some extra thinking to get parts going
[20:07] <Kilos> wbb just wanna check data
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: To make a file of 100 random bytes: 
[20:07] <inetpro> dd if=/dev/random of=myrandom bs=100 count=1
[20:09] <inetpro> Kilos: just be wary of death and destruction
[20:10] <inetpro> It is jokingly said that dd stands for "disk destroyer", "data destroyer", "death and destruction", "damn dangerous", or "delete data"
[20:13] <Kilos> w00t
[20:14] <Kilos> reboots in 1 min 5 secs
[20:14] <Kilos> and i still got 500m data left
[20:14] <Kilos> i been a good boy last 2 months
[20:16] <Kilos> and my kde is working inetpro 
[20:16] <Kilos> been a good day
[20:17] <inetpro> Kilos: nice job!
[20:18] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:18] <inetpro> you deserve a pay rise 
[20:19] <Kilos> hahaha im doing it for ian not pay
[20:19] <inetpro> ai
[20:19] <Kilos> i earn lots here by cooking and doing sheep and dishes etc
[20:20] <Kilos> can maybe get some pc spares soon
[20:20] <Kilos> i get R500 a month since swaar got a job
[20:20] <Kilos> im a rich bitch
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: now where can I get a charger for me wifes netbook?
[20:21] <inetpro> stupid thing conked up this weekend
[20:21] <Kilos> oh i might have
[20:21] <Kilos> i got one here that worked onna lg lappy
[20:21] <Kilos> and another one could just change the plug
[20:21]  * inetpro is amazed with the many multiple of connectors in the market, it's ridiculous
[20:22] <Kilos> yeah they should standardise things like power connectors
[20:22] <Kilos> same with cell phones
[20:22] <inetpro> this one is a bit longish
[20:22] <Kilos> we got 3 nokias here all different size plugs
[20:23] <Kilos> one can cut plug off there and connect to another one
[20:23] <Banlam> cellphones have standardised to the micro-SUB for charging
[20:23] <Banlam> *USB
[20:23] <Kilos> nokias dont charge on usb
[20:23] <Banlam> new ones do
[20:23] <Kilos> oh mine anyway
[20:24] <Kilos> thats good
[20:24] <Banlam> or are supposed to
[20:24] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[20:24] <Banlam> but nokia have only ever had two chargers previously
[20:24] <Banlam> so i don't really have a problem with them
[20:24] <Banlam> they had the thick round one
[20:24] <Banlam> and then the thin round one
[20:24] <Kilos> no im sure three
[20:24] <Banlam> which has been around for the past 6 years+
[20:24] <inetpro> there was more than two
[20:24] <Kilos> tiny medium and a thick one
[20:24] <Banlam> what was the third one?
[20:25] <Kilos> one in between
[20:25] <inetpro> I can't remember, honestly
[20:25] <Banlam> :/
[20:25] <Banlam> i only ever knew of two
[20:25] <inetpro> but I agree they made live a lot easier
[20:25] <Kilos> Banlam, who is the other ham here
[20:25] <inetpro> with less options
[20:25] <Kilos> someone in the cape
[20:25] <Banlam> ham radio?
[20:25] <Kilos> ya
[20:25] <Banlam> Kerbero, has a licence
[20:26] <Kilos> thats him
[20:26] <Kilos> Kerbero, inetpro 
[20:26] <Banlam> i contemplated getting my licence
[20:26] <inetpro> interesting
[20:26] <Banlam> but never got roudn to it
[20:26] <Banlam> and the costs of a radio put me off
[20:26] <Kilos> he should be able to give you more on satelite
[20:26] <Banlam> http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/blog/2008/06/nokia-chargers/ , just the two and now the micro usb
[20:26] <Kilos> i still have an old yaesu ft 2oo i think it was
[20:27] <Kilos> most likely rats are nesting in it by now
[20:27] <inetpro> so do we have enough satellites covering our country for proper data to flow 24 hours a day?
[20:27] <inetpro> obviously with dstv, that answer has to be yes
[20:27] <Kilos> yes plenty
[20:27] <Banlam> dstv is one satelite in geostationary orbit
[20:28] <Kilos> get someone with a gps and see them all
[20:28] <Banlam> itnepro, but what do you mean for proper data flow 24/7?
[20:28] <Banlam> what are you askign
[20:29] <Kilos> he thinking of satelite for pc Banlam 
[20:29] <Banlam> satelite internet?
[20:29] <inetpro> Banlam: family in rural mpumalanga has been told that their solution for interwebs is satellite
[20:30] <Banlam> there definitely are satellite solutions
[20:30] <Kilos> tired of mobile broadband
[20:30] <Banlam> i would hate to have to use one
[20:32] <inetpro> well with only a very weak MTN, what other choice could they really have?
[20:32] <Banlam> http://www.telkomsa.net/products/satellite.html
[20:33] <inetpro> seriously, I hate to say this but our service levels in this country suck
[20:33] <inetpro> and that does not only count for Telkom
[20:33] <Banlam> inetpro, you referring now to the lack of cellphone reception in rural mpumalanga?
[20:33] <inetpro> in the old days people put physical lines in every little corner of the country
[20:36] <inetpro> we all need to pull up our socks and put optic fibre all over the show
[20:36] <inetpro> job creation!
[20:36] <magespawn> inetpro the other option is not cheep though
[20:36] <magespawn> the satellite option i mean
[20:37] <Banlam> inetpro, is there no one offering wireless internet in the area?
[20:37] <Banlam> I know my uncle in the middle of natal
[20:37] <Banlam> they suffered on EDGE for years
[20:37] <inetpro> Banlam: no
[20:37] <Banlam> adn then a guy setup a wireless internet service for a couple of the farmers in the district
[20:37] <magespawn> wifi or radio Banlam?
[20:38] <Banlam> i'll admit i did not investigate the system, but I think radio
[20:38] <magespawn> i am looking at setting up a wide are wifi here
[20:39] <Banlam> 5Ghz range
[20:39] <Banlam> it's nice using somethign standardised
[20:39] <Banlam> because it means people don't need to buy proprietary hardware
[20:39] <magespawn> 5ghz has better range but even the 2.4 can go about 20km
[20:39] <Banlam> that they can't do anythign with if they decide they no longer want the connection
[20:39] <Banlam> wow
[20:40] <magespawn> and that is point to multipoint if you go point to point you can go further
[20:41] <magespawn> inetpro how about dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4k
[20:41] <Banlam> that's just affected by the antennae you use surely?
[20:41] <magespawn> what does the bs=4k do
[20:41] <Banlam> directional vs omnidirectiona?
[20:41] <magespawn> yes Banlam
[20:41] <Banlam> k
[20:41] <magespawn> yes 
[20:42] <Banlam> I will also say, that tonberry, who's not here now has a farm in the middle of the karoo, managed to get a stableish EDGE connection using a direcitonal antennae
[20:42] <Banlam> and a 3G dongle
[20:42] <Banlam> *-e
[20:42] <inetpro> magespawn: man dd
[20:42] <Banlam> inetpro, that may be somethign to consider
[20:42] <Banlam> if they haven't already
[20:42] <magespawn> lol ty inetpro
[20:43] <inetpro> Banlam: yes, I want to actually try that for them
[20:43] <magespawn> where are they inetpro?
[20:44] <inetpro> magespawn: between Ermelo and Piet Retief
[20:44] <magespawn> of course those distance figures can change a lot in real life 
[20:45] <inetpro> satellite would probably be good if not so costly
[20:46] <magespawn> is there nobody up there doing radio internet?
[20:46]  * inetpro wants to sign up for the 10GB option at 8ta and armed with that want to do some more testing over the festive season
[20:47] <inetpro> more testing in Mpumalanga, that is 
[20:47] <Banlam> Piet Retief has good MTN 3G reception, with a directional antenna you may be able to pick somethign up
[20:48] <inetpro> Banlam: I'm talking about very far away from town
[20:48] <Banlam> inetpro, be careful, those 10GB packages may be limited to the *ta network, and not work on the MTN section
[20:48] <inetpro> eish!
[20:48] <inetpro> not nice!
[20:48] <Banlam> :)
[20:48] <inetpro> thanks for the heads up though
[20:48] <Banlam> inetpro, just check
[20:48] <magespawn> vodacom is supposed to do their R499 data deal
[20:49] <Banlam> cause i bought that 60+60 deal
[20:49] <inetpro> supposed
[20:49] <Banlam> which is great for me
[20:49] <Banlam> cause i'm right by a tower for 8ta
[20:49] <Banlam> but it doesn't work if I leave the city
[20:49] <Banlam> they announced they are going to do it
[20:49] <Banlam> they just need to decide when to launch
[20:50] <magespawn> superfly you still up?
[20:50] <superfly> Yes
[20:51] <Banlam> inetpro ,have you checked the 8ta coverage map, tehy have pretty good coverage between ermelo and piet retief, except a big whtie spot, which i'm assumign might be your problem
[20:51] <Banlam> http://www.8ta.com/coverage/
[20:51] <magespawn> are you still working on RingHTML?
[20:53] <inetpro> Banlam: ya, I think they would be in teh white spot
[20:53] <superfly> magespawn: heh, no
[20:53] <inetpro> but will make sure
[20:53] <inetpro> thanks for that, I'm actually surprised 
[20:53] <inetpro> didn't think they had spread that far already
[20:53] <magespawn> superfly so pretty much complete then?
[20:54] <inetpro> then again, I guess that is with roaming on top of MTN
[20:54] <superfly> nope, just never had the chance to finish it... got involved in another open source project
[20:54] <kbmonkey> hello
[20:54] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey
[20:54] <superfly> magespawn: but it works fairly well for the limited set of features it has...
[20:54] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[20:54] <kbmonkey> superfly, last night I wrote my first android app. :)
[20:54] <magespawn> i like what i see so far
[20:55] <kbmonkey> not much to show, but got the framework working!
[20:55] <kbmonkey> plus.. its in python. how about that!
[20:55] <superfly> kbmonkey: in PHP? :-P
[20:55] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[20:55] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn 
[20:56] <inetpro> kbmonkey: sounds interesting
[20:57] <Banlam> inetpro, it's all MTN's network. You can click on the top of the map and view 8ta's network
[20:57] <Banlam> they have nothing outside of the cities
[20:57] <inetpro> ai
[20:58] <magespawn> superfly did you have any plans for it?
[20:58] <Banlam> you can use their standard itnernet
[20:58] <Banlam> it's just some of the specials which cna't be used on their extended network
[20:58] <superfly> magespawn: yes, I did
[20:58] <inetpro> that is terrible
[20:59] <superfly> back in the day
[20:59] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:59] <magespawn> night Kilos
[20:59] <Kilos> see you morrow
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: lekker slaap oom
[20:59] <Kilos> ty
[20:59] <magespawn> inetpro if he uses dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb bs=4k that would take forever on a 2tb drive
[21:00] <inetpro> magespawn: I was just joking
[21:00] <inetpro> and I'm sure he knows it
[21:00] <magespawn> superfly perhaps we could get it going again if you want
[21:01] <inetpro> magespawn: oh and I didn't say he should do it to /dev/sdb
[21:01] <magespawn> oh okay inetpro, i though it was a good idea
[21:01] <magespawn> that was just an example
[21:01] <magespawn> that might be his other drive
[21:03] <superfly> magespawn: I've messed around with writing a cross-platform version, but I never get very far
[21:03] <inetpro> magespawn: I specifically used the example from wikipedia with of=myrandom
[21:03] <inetpro> that would go to a file called myrandom in the current folder 
[21:04] <magespawn> i was reading here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/
[21:05] <magespawn> superfly perhaps a team of people?
[21:05] <kbmonkey> good 'ol Disk Destroyer
[21:05] <inetpro> magespawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29#Generating_a_file_with_random_data
[21:05] <magespawn> ahh ty inetpro
[21:06] <magespawn> dd looks like a good way to recycle a drive or computer so that all your data is removed
[21:06] <inetpro> magespawn: there are tools for that
[21:09] <inetpro> magespawn: like shred as part of coreutils
[21:13] <magespawn> that does lokk useful
[21:13] <inetpro> magespawn: also see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/85636/how-do-i-erase-my-disk-in-a-secure-way-ubuntu
[21:13] <inetpro> There's a propability of 56% that one single bit can be correctly recovered....
[21:14] <magespawn> i need more time and less sleep, can anyone spare me about 4 hours a day?
[21:14] <inetpro> lol
[21:15] <inetpro> magespawn: but if you want something totally secure, you need to physically destroy the drive.
[21:16] <magespawn> indeed i was thinking more along the lines of donated machines to schools etc
[21:17] <inetpro> shred would be a good way to clean a drive before donating it
[21:17] <kbmonkey> if you dd with a bs=xM equal to your drive's cache size it should go faster
[21:18] <kbmonkey> would /dev/zero be faster than random? 
[21:19] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I guess it would be, because there's little or no processing involved
[21:21] <kbmonkey> oh apparently /dev/random is the least best input for wiping. urandom is preferred. how interesting
[21:22] <kbmonkey> a comprehensive list of wiping methods: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Securely_wipe_disk
[21:28] <magespawn> any reason why kbmonkey ?
[21:29] <kbmonkey> that page says...
[21:30] <kbmonkey> random fills with 512 bytes of random values. when its all used, it has to wait to fill up again 
[21:30] <kbmonkey> the fill is slower than dd uses them
[21:33] <magespawn> thanks  for the class guys, i am off to bed, good night all
[21:41] <kbmonkey> good night magespawn 
[21:41] <kbmonkey> think its about time. nite all
[21:51] <smile> :-D
[21:51] <smile> Wie spreek afrikaans hier? :-P
[21:55] <bakuman> nie ek nie
[21:55] <smile> :-O
[21:55] <Banlam> niemand
[21:55] <Banlam> dis waarom ons #ubuntu-afr het
[21:55] <smile> Kan jy nederlands lees?
[21:55] <bakuman> lol
[21:55] <smile> :-P
[21:56] <Banlam> ek het al klein gesprekke met n belgiee gehad
[21:56] <Banlam> waneer hy nederlands praat
[21:56] <Banlam> en ek afrikaans
[21:57] <smile> www.foad.nu - wil jy stem vir die mooiste afbeelding?
[21:57] <smile> :-)
[21:58] <Banlam> nederlands klink snaaks
[21:58] <smile> Tot 23u kan julle stem
[21:58] <smile> :-P
[21:59] <Banlam> 23u?
[21:59] <Banlam> oh
[21:59] <Banlam> 23 uur
[21:59] <smile> Ja. 22U vir julle
[21:59] <Banlam> wel
[21:59] <smile> :-P
[22:00] <Banlam> ek sit in die selfde timezone as jy
[22:00] <smile> Oh
[22:00] <smile> :-P
[22:00] <Banlam> net n paar honderd km weg
[22:01] <smile> In NL?
[22:01] <smile> :-P
[22:01] <Banlam> DE
[22:01] <smile> :O
[22:02] <smile> Wat doen jy daar? :-P
[22:02] <Banlam> erasmus tiepe ding
[22:03] <smile> 1 jaar?
[22:03] <Banlam> nein, nur drei monaten
[22:04] <Banlam> en ek het nog net 2 weke
[22:04] <smile> Nur 3? Nicht viel
[22:04] <smile> :-P
[22:04] <Banlam> neh, nicht viel
[22:05] <smile> Kennen sie schon die tagen der woche? :-P
[22:05] <Banlam> ja
[22:05] <Banlam> waarum?
[22:06] <Banlam> hulle's nogals die selfde as afrikaans, behalwe woensdag
[22:07] <smile> I just wondered, no particular reason
[22:07] <smile> ;-)
[22:07] <Banlam> :)
[22:07] <Banlam> nie seker of ek hulle korrek kan spel nie
[22:08] <smile> Laat ons praat in drie tale :-P
[22:08] <Banlam> haha
[22:08] <Banlam> jy kan n bietjie nederlands ingooi dan het ons 4
[22:08] <Banlam> as ons engels ook bytel
[22:08] <smile> Ja dat kan ik wel doen ja :-D
[22:08] <Banlam> aber meine deutsch ist seher slecht
[22:09] <smile> Meines auch. ;-)
[22:09] <Banlam> :)
[22:10] <smile> So i prefer english, afrikaans, nederlands or french
[22:11] <Banlam> know a guy from Gent
[22:11] <Banlam> speaks english and dutch (dialect) fluently
[22:11] <Banlam> and hsi german and french are also pretty good
[22:11] <smile> Is hij cool?
[22:12] <smile> :-P
[22:12] <Banlam> yeah, get on very well with him
[22:14] <smile> You heard someone talking west-vlaams yet?
[22:14] <smile> :-P
[22:14] <Banlam> dunno
[22:15] <Banlam> the guy i know grew up in Aachen, or is that nto west enough?
[22:15] <Banlam> some of his friends came over the other day
[22:15] <Banlam> they were cnoversing
[22:15] <Banlam> that's about all I've heard
[22:16] <Banlam> wait
[22:16] <Banlam> nto aachen
[22:16] <Banlam> what am i saying
[22:16] <smile> No only kust-people will do. Max distance from north sea 50km. :-P
[22:16] <Banlam> Antwerp is what I meant
[22:17] <Banlam> Gent is like 50km inland
[22:17] <smile> Really difficult to understand what they say
[22:17] <smile> Ok :-D
[22:18] <Banlam> haha
[22:19] <Banlam> i'll come visit in a year's time
[22:19] <smile> Even for me :-P
[22:19] <Banlam> :P
[22:19] <smile> which region?
[22:19] <Banlam> dunno
[22:19] <Banlam> i want to take a month of work next year
[22:19] <Banlam> and do a trip through europe
[22:19] <smile> ;-)
[22:20] <smile> Leuk.
[22:20] <smile> Ek is moe
[22:21] <Banlam> ich auch
[22:21] <Banlam> aber ich habe viel arbeit
[22:22] <smile> Like what?
[22:22] <Banlam> a master's thesis
[22:22] <Banlam> along with some work at the university
[22:23] <smile> Good luck
[22:24] <Banlam> danke schon
[22:24] <Banlam> ist seine keyboard auch QWERTZ?
[22:24] <smile> Bitte schon
[22:25] <smile> nein meines ist azerty
[22:25] <smile> ;-)
[22:25] <Banlam> o.O
[22:25] <Banlam> is dit standaard in belgie?
[22:26] <smile> Ja. :-)
[22:26] <smile> be-latin1
[22:26]  * Banlam skid sy kop
[22:26] <smile> :-)
[22:27] <smile> Skid?
[22:27] <Banlam> shake
[22:27] <smile> O.
[22:27] <Banlam> die ergste vir my as ek n duitse keyboard gebruik is dat al die symbole op ander plekke is
[22:27] <Banlam> shake my head
[22:27] <Banlam> move it from side to side
[22:27] <smile> Ja schudden in NL
[22:27] <smile> :-)
[22:28] <smile> Kan jy nie blind typ nie?
[22:29] <Banlam> ja, maar ek vegeet altyd om die keyboard se layout te verander tot dit my pla
[22:29] <Banlam> en gelukkig hoef ek nie te veel op duitse rekenaars te werk nie
[22:29] <Banlam> vergeet
[22:29] <Banlam> *
[22:30] <smile> Op linux jy kan setxkbmap layout gebruik
[22:30] <Banlam> op linux ja :P
[22:30] <Banlam> die rekenaar waarop ek werk is win XP
[22:30] <smile> :-(
[22:31] <smile> Setxkbmap for win :-P
[22:31] <Banlam> :P
[22:31] <Banlam> leer ek dit nou eers
[22:33] <smile> !g
[22:34] <smile> I found it :-P
[22:35] <smile> http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/windows/cygwin/release/X.Org/setxkbmap/
[22:37] <smile> Banlam :-D
[22:37] <Banlam> thanks
[22:37] <Banlam> :P
[22:37] <smile> :-P
[22:38] <smile> I wonder how to use it
[22:40] <Banlam> not a clue
[22:41] <smile> I have made an installer with wget for windows recently
[22:41] <smile> 8-)
[22:45] <smile> Bye :-)
[22:45] <Banlam> cheers
[22:45] <smile> Good night