[00:14] <ahoneybun> anyone with the doc team?
[00:15] <ahoneybun> pleia2, hello!
[00:15] <knome> no, we're all hiding
[00:45] <ahoneybun> knome, hiding
[00:46] <ahoneybun> I want to know about helping in the offline documentation on the roadmap  for 13.04
[00:47] <knome> ahoneybun, basically, we're open to any suggestions
[00:47] <ahoneybun> in ways to improve it?
[00:47] <knome> if you think there's something we're missing in the docs, or an idea how can we improve/extend what we have now, just go ahead and suggest
[00:48] <knome> if you're familiar with launchpad and documentation (docbook) translations, we need to set up those as well
[00:49] <ahoneybun> knome, I did apply for membership for the launchpad group
[00:49] <knome> if you would like to help with the SRU for 12.04 (we need to rewrite some parts to make it accurate for xfce 4.8 and everything else), that's one thing we should start working as well
[00:49] <knome> ahoneybun, ah, right. great!
[00:50] <ahoneybun> SRU...
[00:50] <knome> ahoneybun, once we have some contributions from you, i'll gladly approve you :)
[00:50] <knome> SRU as in stable release update; let me explain
[00:50] <ahoneybun> 12.04.1?
[00:50] <knome> in 12.04, we have the 4+ year old documentation
[00:50] <ahoneybun> oh
[00:50] <knome> we want to update that
[00:50] <knome> but the documentation we've now written is for xfce 4.10, and some other packages are newer too
[00:51] <knome> so we need to rewrite those parts to actually match with 12.04
[00:51] <knome> after we've done that, we'll SRU the new documentation to 12.04.x
[00:51] <ahoneybun> are there 2 versions for 12.04? the one for 4.8 and 4.10 from the backports?
[00:51] <knome> no, just one for what's officially supported
[00:52] <ahoneybun> 4.8 for the 12.04 then?
[00:52] <knome> yep
[00:52] <ahoneybun> and 4.10 for 12.10?
[00:52] <knome> yes
[00:52] <ahoneybun> knome, should I be running 12.04 then?
[00:53] <knome> if you want to help with the SRU thing, the easiest way would be to install 12.04 in virtualbox or so
[00:53] <Unit193> knome: Re: Network section: /var/run/nm-dns-dnsmasq.conf won't tell you, just nm-tool.
[00:53] <knome> and then simply go throgh the documentation and see if it still matches. where it doesn't, make a note and rewrite
[00:54] <knome> (we still need to see how we want to do that rewriting part, since we need to maintain two version that we're working on!)
[00:54] <ahoneybun> knome, where would it be?
[00:54] <knome> Unit193, right. can you add that to your todo list when we start working on it? or if not willing, add an item to remind me again
[00:54] <knome> ahoneybun, we're probably trying to work on it on launchpad as much as possible
[00:55] <ahoneybun> knome, so the docs would be on lp?
[00:55] <knome> ahoneybun, that's correct. both the 12.10/13.04 and the 12.04 ones..
[00:56] <knome> ahoneybun, but if you want to start working before we get it all up, comparing locally and making notes is fine too!
[00:56] <knome> actually, i even think the best way to approach this would be to simply check what doesn't match first
[00:56] <knome> and create a list of those parts
[00:56] <ahoneybun> knome, well, I have to get the image first lol, where are the docs locally?
[00:56] <knome> and then rewrite collaboratively
[00:56] <knome> ahoneybun, applications -> help
[00:57] <knome> and the path: /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/
[00:57] <knome> (that's for the actual documentation, not the front page "welcome" you get when opening apps -> help)
[00:58] <ahoneybun> So I read for grammar. spelling, and incorrect data
[00:58] <knome> umm, no
[00:58] <knome> well, yeah and no :)
[00:59] <knome> for the SRU update, we mostly want to find technical inconsistencies
[00:59] <knome> eg. can you actually follow the instructions and get the desired results, or is something different/missing
[00:59] <ahoneybun> oh that they work
[01:00] <knome> grammar and spelling fixes are fine, but those need to be fixed for both docs, so that's not the main focus for the SRU'd docs
[01:00] <knome> while we go, we might have some inconsistencies between the docs too
[01:01] <knome> the new version might have an extended section, or something deleted in favor of something different
[01:01] <knome> but of course, those modifications will not land in the SRU'd docs automatically, if we've set up a different codebase
[01:01] <knome> and that's what we really need to do once we've started actually rewriting the stuff
[01:02] <ahoneybun> should I look though the 12.10 Docs then? or wait and look for the SRU in 12.04?
[01:03] <knome> that depends what you want to work on
[01:03] <knome> if there's something you think you can improve/extend in the 12.10 docs, that's fine
[01:04] <knome> if you want to start working with the SRU stuff, that's fine too
[01:04] <knome> with the latter, i think the best thing to do was to find which sections need rewriting first
[01:04] <ahoneybun> in the parts about error messages, maybe give a idea what the message would look like?
[01:04] <knome> so we wouldn't be forking the codebase just yet
[01:04] <knome> you mean visually?
[01:04] <ahoneybun> yes
[01:05] <knome> mmh, maybe we could have some kind of visual "glossary"
[01:06] <ahoneybun> well you would see a error message from the CLI anyway, but a messagebox about it if your using a GUI application
[01:07] <knome> yeah, well; we usually know if the message is going to be a CLI or GUI one, because we're the ones telling the user what to do :)
[01:08] <ahoneybun> true lol
[01:08] <ahoneybun> oh my new ERB
[01:09] <ahoneybun> very well done docs, looks wise.
[01:09] <ahoneybun> grammar and spelling when looking a bit
[01:10] <knome> yeah, there will be errors
[01:10] <knome> we were quite busy last cycle with this, and we're happy for the docs to even be in 12.10½
[01:10] <ahoneybun> oh btw
[01:10] <ahoneybun> in the printer part
[01:10] <knome> s/½/!/
[01:11] <ahoneybun> says to go to settings manager -> printer settings
[01:11] <ahoneybun> but it should be settings manager -> printers
[01:11] <knome> i actually know.. that was changed quite late in the cycle, and we didn't really have a possibility to fix that
[01:12] <knome> anyway: welcome to the community!
[01:12] <knome> and thanks for helping out
[01:13] <knome> i'd suggest you to send a mail to the xubuntu-devel list telling who you are, what you'd like to work on, and on a separate message, any ideas and fixes you have for the docs
[01:13] <ahoneybun> well I just started!
[01:13] <knome> pointing out your irc and launchpad nick is good too, so people will be able connect the dots more easily
[01:14] <ahoneybun> I guess ahoneybun = Aaron Honeycutt is not easy lo
[01:14] <ahoneybun> l
[01:14] <knome> it's a bit frantic, and sometimes it might take even weeks until... "oh, so YOU are the one from the mailing list!"
[01:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[01:14] <knome> most of the nicks in this channel have nothing to do with real names
[01:15] <ahoneybun> I feel sometimes to make a new lp because of my new email
[01:16] <ahoneybun> so Bryan Lunduke wants to connect on Linkedin
[01:16] <knome> o.O
[01:17] <ahoneybun> ?
[01:17] <knome> should we know him? :)
[01:17] <ahoneybun> oh he is a big open source supporter and ex-ex-host of the LAS = Linux Action Show
[01:18] <ahoneybun> he even tried to live on the donation model for open source software
[01:18] <knome> right. i probably should recognize the name, but i still don't...
[01:18] <ahoneybun> don't worry lol its a big world
[01:19] <knome> true
[01:21] <ahoneybun> well, back to looking though the docs
[01:22] <ahoneybun> the section of "what makes Xubuntu" should include GNU? and Unix?
[01:24] <ahoneybun> oh should I just write this down?
[01:25] <knome> GNU's mentioned in "free software"
[01:25] <knome> unix could probably fit under "linux"
[01:25] <knome> we decided we don't want to make it too technical or daunting
[01:26] <knome> kind of "try to let the projects/entities describe them extensively themself"
[01:27] <knome> if you look around the docs, we're trying to be relatively brief along the way
[01:27] <knome> not too tight-lipped, but keeping to what is relevant
[01:28] <ahoneybun> try it really is that way
[01:28] <ahoneybun> it really is
[01:29] <ahoneybun> in Ch.2 one of the directions say to go to the xubuntu-logo and go to system then software updater, but I do not have that
[01:29] <knome> mmhm
[01:29] <knome> i suppose it would be best if you gathered these on a mail sent to the ML
[01:30] <knome> that way we'll be able to track down what's to be done
[01:30] <ahoneybun> I did start writing in abiword
[01:31] <knome> plaintext works best, but if you think we all benefit of a specific text layouting, that'll be fine too
[01:32] <ahoneybun> well copying it in a email will be plaintext
[01:32] <knome> yup :)
[01:32] <knome> anyway, i should head to bed
[01:32] <knome> (3:30am here)
[01:33] <ahoneybun> I mean I did not write everything
[01:33] <ahoneybun> just enough to find that spot
[01:33] <ahoneybun> oh thanks for the help
[01:33] <knome> looking forward to talking with you again
[01:33] <knome> and again, welcome to the community
[01:33] <ahoneybun> same here
[01:33] <knome> np
[01:33] <ahoneybun> thanks 
[01:34] <ahoneybun> its 8:30 pm here
[01:34] <knome> others are willing to help too, just ask if you need something and wait patiently :)
[01:34] <knome> we're from around the world, so pretty much any timezone should work
[01:34] <ahoneybun> yep thats all you can do in a IRC lol
[01:34] <knome> and some of us *cough* stay up late too
[01:34] <ahoneybun> where are you asia?
[01:34] <knome> finland
[01:34] <ahoneybun> I knew it was overseas for that difference
[01:35] <ahoneybun> well I will not keep you from bed
[01:35] <knome> yup. not really asia, would need a few hours more to even hit the western parts... :)
[01:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[01:35] <knome> anyway, have a nice evening and see you later!
[01:35] <ahoneybun> you too!
[01:36] <knome> see you Unit193 and GridCube too! :)
[01:36] <GridCube> where?
[01:37] <Unit193> Adios.
[01:37] <knome> GridCube, here. later.
[01:37] <GridCube> :P oh, good bye knome have a good night
[01:37] <GridCube> :D
[01:37] <knome> ta, you too once you get to bed much much later :)
[01:37] <knome> ->
[21:26] <pleia2> so, how *do you* start an application in a specific workspace?
[21:26]  * pleia2 finishing up FAQ, hopefully
[21:26] <pleia2> and what do we say about "2. (regressions [messaging-menu])"
[21:28] <knome> dunno, i'm very tired now
[21:28] <knome> have to hit the sack soon
[21:28] <pleia2> ok, I'll finish the rest of the cleanup
[21:28] <knome> thanks
[21:29] <knome> i'll be around a lot on friday, so if you have questions, i'll be able to answer those at the latest then
[21:40] <Unit193> I could tell you how I fixexd the menu. :P
[21:40] <pleia2> there is a fix in -proposed so we're just telling people to use that if they need it immediately
[21:41] <Unit193> Messaging menu*
[21:42] <pleia2> ah
[21:42] <pleia2> ok
[21:42] <pleia2> sent to -devel too
[21:46] <GridCube> pleia2, the regresions one was "semi proposed" by ochosi
[21:47] <pleia2> cool
[21:47] <GridCube> dont know how that helps, but he should understand at least why he proposed it
[21:47] <pleia2> ok, hopefully everyone can just chime in on list so we can get this firmed up, thank you
[21:47] <GridCube> :)