[03:26] <usr13> I seem to have a problem.  I've tried to join #ubuntu but joined #ubuntu-ops.  So what is up?
[03:27] <usr13> Hello?
[04:06] <bazhang> just a moment usr13
[04:11] <bazhang> usr13, you there?
[04:22] <yenom> ubot93  >  ubottu ?
[04:23] <bazhang> yenom, = usr13?
[04:27] <bazhang> yenom, you're ban forwarded here to discuss before being allowed back in #ubuntu
[04:28] <bazhang> yenom, changing your nick to surpass the ban is not the way to resolve it
[04:30] <yenom> So what should I do to resolve it?
[04:31] <bazhang> I've changed the ban so thats not possible any more
[04:31] <yenom> Really?
[04:31] <yenom> So..............?
[04:31] <bazhang> you're not in #ubuntu any longer, so yes
[04:32] <yenom> Ok, well, have fun... I guess...........
[04:32] <bazhang> perhaps now you'd like to have that discussion
[04:32] <bazhang> or not
[04:32] <elky> you talked crosspurposes
[04:33] <bazhang> if he had waited just a moment longer, or responded as usr13...
[04:33] <elky> yeah
[04:33] <bazhang> oh well
[04:33] <bazhang> not the first time for this kind of issue with him
[04:33] <Unit193> usr13 is actually still here, so unless that's about to time out...
[04:33] <usr13> Yea, I'm here
[04:34] <usr13> What kind of issue?
[04:34] <bazhang> so ready to discuss?
[04:34] <usr13> Sure....
[04:35] <bazhang> arguing about sudo?
[04:35] <usr13> Yes.......?
[04:35] <bazhang> what was your point there
[04:36] <usr13> That just because someone used sudo that would not wreck permissions in ~/
[04:36] <bazhang> I missed it, so if you would not mind giving a re-cap
[04:36] <usr13> I suppose if you chown or chmod yea, but just because you use sudo or a root shell?  no
[04:36] <bazhang> as opposed to something else?
[04:37] <bazhang> why would you need sudo in your home?
[04:38] <usr13> Just what I said.  Someone spoke about getting into a root shell and another said that if they did, they'd hose up permissions in ~/  Well that's just not so.  He could have specified how that would happen.  I was just hoping to give him the chance to clarify how it could happen, and not just say that by activating sudo or a root shell that it would magically happen.
[04:39] <usr13> All I said is that, no, simply using sudo  or  a root shell  wouldn't wreck permissions in   ~/
[04:41] <usr13> Now he could have come back and said, well yes, but any files you save in /user/my-name/  would be owned by root and that could constitute a permission problem, etc. or something to that effect... Or I would have... but... Oh well.
[04:42] <usr13> I think that people deserve to be told what they are up-against and not just taboos, don't talk about sudo  or root shell.  Why not talk about it.  People come to these channel's to learn about Linux.  Right?  Well, we should let them / help them.
[04:43] <usr13> That is a great deal of what IRC is about. And that is a great deal of what OSS is all about.
[04:43] <bazhang> I believe you were asked to move on from the argument
[04:43] <usr13> As to why you would need sudo in home?  Well that is a good question.  I would also ask the same question.
[04:44] <usr13> If one initiates a root shell, they would be in /  not /home/user
[04:44] <usr13> So yea, the statement the other guy made was in error.
[04:44] <usr13> I intend for people to correct me as well, if I say something in error.  I WANT to be corrected.
[04:45] <usr13> And I did move from the argument.  You can look and see.  I typed not another word about it.  If you would like to go back and look, I welcome you to.
[04:46] <bazhang> I missed it, and just trying to understand the context
[04:46] <usr13> And what do you mean, "this is not the first time for this kind of issue with him"?
[04:47] <bazhang> arguing past being asked to drop something
[04:47] <usr13> If you think I'm a trouble maker, leave the ban on.
[04:48] <usr13> That is not the case.  I did not argue passed being asked to drop something.
[04:49] <bazhang> 10:34 < usr13> IdleOne: YOU DROP IT!
[04:49] <usr13> I'm arguing now... so....
[04:49] <usr13> oh well....
[04:49] <bazhang> then immediately quitting
[05:08] <elky> o.O
 Jbuss, try ArchLinux
[05:51] <bazhang> this was following several testimonials for MINT (also from snowyrooftops)
[05:56] <Tm_T> sudo can mess up file ownerships in ~/
[05:56] <Tm_T> easily
[06:01] <bazhang> wish we had a working bot/bantracker etc
[06:01] <Tm_T> I believe only "sudo -i" does give root user with /root/ as home
[06:01] <Tm_T> so all other methods can lead to files created/owned by root in normal user's homedir
[06:01] <Tm_T> this is why you should never run gui apps with sudo btw
[06:01] <bazhang> never understood why anyone would *ever* use sudo or sudo -i with the home directory
[06:02] <Tm_T> bazhang: sudo -i makes sense
[06:02] <bazhang> gksudo/kdesu(do)
[06:03] <Tm_T> "sudo -i" gives you the proper root shell
[06:03] <bazhang> used it perhaps *once* in many years of UBuntu use
[06:04] <bazhang> or that was gksudo iirc
[06:11] <IdleOne> he was banned because of the rage quit after being asked to drop it.
[06:11] <bazhang> Tm_ T?
[06:12] <bazhang> oh usr13
[06:12] <IdleOne> usr13 but I'm all for banning Tm_T also
[06:12] <bazhang> !agreed
[06:12] <bazhang> oh shut it ubot93
[06:14] <Tm_T> bazhang: well, you don't run gui apps from root shell either (:
[06:15] <bazhang> gksudo nautilus, and just the once...
[06:16] <Tm_T> that's totally different from root shell, which is a good thing
[06:16] <IdleOne> gksudo jockey-gtk ot kde
[06:19] <Tm_T> ...mrunagi is ok in #ubuntu?
[06:24] <Tm_T> !skype
[06:24] <Tm_T> oh, right
[06:28] <Tm_T> I wonder how this is "not supporting recent releases" http://blogs.skype.com/garage/2012/11/skype_41_for_linux.html
[10:40] <blackness> how do i go about getting a ban removed?
[10:40] <ikonia> just ask
[10:40] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[10:40] <blackness> first time, a comment was taken wrong, second time because i connected to my bnc to chat.
[10:41] <ikonia> ok - can you explain what happened ?
[10:41] <blackness> you banned me both times, do i really need to?
[10:42] <blackness> First time, you took "netflix works on linux lol" wrong, Second time, Instead of reconnecting VIA ipv4, i used my bnc and evaded First ban.
[10:44] <ikonia> ahhh that's you
[10:44] <ikonia> yeah I'm not interested in resolving this with you, as when I asked you to just join #ubuntu-ops to sort it out, you thought it was clever to fire up your bnc to dodge and brag about it
[10:44] <ikonia> I can't be bothered with that,
[10:45] <blackness> so i get to just wait it out to whenever the ban list is cleared?
[10:46] <ikonia> until someone wants to remove the ban, I'd have removed it as I understand how comments can be taken wrong, which is why I asked you to join #ubuntu-ops and one of the team will sort it out
[10:46] <ikonia> I'm only now not interested as you wanted to show off and dodge the ban and brag abou tit
[10:46] <ikonia> it
[10:46] <blackness> i did that the first time. Oct 17th i believe was the date
[10:47] <ikonia> and what happened then ?
[10:47] <blackness> silence.
[10:47] <ikonia> (this was a different nickname)
[10:47] <ikonia> (as I recall)
[10:47] <blackness> was linked to this one, but i dropped both nicks, and registered this one again.
[10:47] <blackness> but yes, it was another nick.
[10:48] <ikonia> ok,
[10:48] <ikonia> if it was silent, it's probably as someone wasn't around/free
[10:48] <ikonia> so either waiting or coming back would have been a wiser thing to do
[10:48] <blackness> i waited all night, i assumed being IRC someone was alive.
[10:49] <ikonia> well, it doens't look like they where
[10:49] <ikonia> (from what you are saying)
[10:49] <blackness> either way, if you unban me, great if not ill wait. i'm not going to continue to 'beg' for it.
[10:49] <ikonia> I'm not asking you to beg
[10:50] <ikonia> I'm not asking you to discuss it
[10:50] <blackness> So the end result is?
[10:50] <ikonia> I'm not going to remove the ban as when I asked you to join #ubuntu-ops to resolve it you thought it better to evade the ban and brag about it
[10:50] <blackness> and how long will this stay? when you feel like removing it?
[10:50] <ikonia> so from me - I'm done with it
[10:51] <blackness> okay. enjoy your night/day.
[10:51] <ikonia> until I or another member of the team (anyone in this team) changes it
[12:09] <elfranne>  got a question, i have been banned  : You have been kicked from #ubuntu-fr by uBOTu-fr (2d -  abused proxy/vpn detected - uBOTu-fr) But i think it s an error ... i am work, or someone is spaming at work ?
[12:11] <ikonia> you need to speak to the ubuntu-fr ops
[12:11] <ikonia> they are in #ubuntu-irc or you can message them direct from /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-f list
[12:14] <elfranne>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-fr list
[12:15] <ikonia> that will show you the users
[12:15] <ikonia> you can then message them direct to find out the problem
[14:21] <jussi> And we are now back up and running :)
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> can we get a banforward on xBytez in #ubuntu to a fix your connection channel?  he's excess flooding
[16:15] <TheLordOfTime> pretty much continuously
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> * xBytez (~xBytez@2a01:7e00:e001:a00:2:dead:b00b:cafe) has joined #ubuntu <-- connection details
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> that's the excess flooder.
[16:17] <Tm_T> indeed
[16:17] <IdleOne> done
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> thanks IdleOne :)
[16:17] <IdleOne> thank you
[16:17] <TheLordOfTime> yep
 i use enter as punctuation as part of my religion
[16:43] <bazhang> thats a new one
 sometimes i go with the entire us constitution, sometimes quotes from scifi :D
[16:59] <bazhang> thats gotta be a troll
[16:59] <DJones> +1 for a troll, or somebody wanting to get into somebody elses machine
[17:16] <AlanBell> !ping
[17:17] <Tm_T> ...
[17:17] <Tm_T> ChanServ: slow much, are you?
[17:36] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu gotwig_ repeatedly crossposting 13.04 issues
[17:47] <Pici> ltns ubottu :)
[17:49] <chu> Yay!