[05:16] morning [07:00] morning [07:01] nice full moon this morning [07:59] morning all === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [08:07] morning [08:09] aloha [08:20] howdy [08:20] gosh it's cold [08:34] Morning [08:56] hello all [09:10] Morning all [09:10] hello davmor2 me ol' mucka [09:11] MooDoo: why aye man [09:11] MooDoo: How be ya === Ng_ is now known as Ng [09:15] davmor2: aye not too bad.... [09:18] hi [09:18] reboot time [09:20] s-fox: hully [09:20] omg my typing is shit :S [09:20] hully to you too MooDoo [09:24] Good morning all! :-D [09:24] how are you MooDoo ? [09:24] hi jacobw2 [09:25] and JamesTait [09:25] ;) [09:25] s-fox, o/ [09:26] s-fox: I'm ok thank you [09:29] JamesTait: Fancy Meeting you here :) [09:29] davmor2, fancy! [09:30] Seems like there are a few of us in the Midlands now, maybe we should set up a new office! :-P [09:30] JamesTait: where are you? [09:31] MooDoo, Derby. [09:31] JamesTait: not that far then [09:31] MooDoo, and you? [09:31] JamesTait: nottingham :D [09:31] MooDoo, not far indeed. :) [09:32] JamesTait: ubuntu hour at the trip ;) [09:32] I think I knew that somehow. [09:32] I'm sure it's been discussed many a time lol [09:32] MooDoo, do I have you on Google+? [09:33] JamesTait: yeah just search for Paul Mellors [09:33] Right, that's where I know you from then. :-P [09:33] * s-fox looks on map for derby.... [09:33] JamesTait: i've just added you to a circle so you should see me [09:34] My ircnick<->realname converter is playing up. [09:34] I blame old age. [09:34] JamesTait: you're not that old are you? [09:34] MooDoo, depends who you ask. According to my kids I'm ancient. :-P [09:34] JamesTait: snap! [09:35] ah, west of nottingham. my geography is rubbish [09:35] s-fox, where are you? [09:35] here [09:35] :D [09:35] JamesTait: It's when I hit 40 last year they told me this lol [09:35] Didn't we have a map of this somewhere? [09:35] MooDoo, oh you *are* ancient then! :-P I'm only 36. [09:35] http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/ [09:36] Yes, MooDoo, that one. :) [09:36] :) [09:37] oh yeah i noticed there is no planet ubuntu-uk any more.... [09:37] my pin has gone missing :/ [09:37] *terrible news* [09:37] anyone know why ubuntu-uk has stopped feeding, too much work? [09:39] MooDoo, I think it was discussed at a recent LoCo meeting. [09:39] oh right, that's a shame. enjoyed reading that. [09:39] hmm, failed to download repo info for a couple of ppa stops software updater [09:39] *that sucks* [09:40] 0o [09:40] JamesTait, I'm in the middle between Leicester and Coventry [09:40] JamesTait: yeah was proposed on the 14th nov, that's a shame really [09:43] MooDoo, I think there was quite a lot of work involved in keeping everything we do running, and not enough volunteers to help do it. [09:44] Morning peeps [09:44] JamesTait: hmmm I think we need a volunteer page, i'd be up for maintaining the planet feed....I used to read that lol [09:44] hey [09:45] good morning bigcalm_laptop [09:46] i never really understood why uk has a feed - unless it was for UK events. Ubuntu related news is news regardless of location [09:46] It was nice to see what the UK community was up to in their daily lifes....I liked reading it. [09:47] MooDoo, was it any content or ubuntu specific ? [09:48] s-fox: anything if i remember rightly it was an insight into the lifes and minds of the ububuntu uk community. [09:48] MooDoo, yeah, it didn't have to be Ubuntu-specific. [09:48] an insight into my mind...scary thought. lol [09:50] MooDoo, how goes the photography ? [09:50] s-fox: it goes lol [09:51] laughing photography, curious [09:51] i've only taken one picture all month properly MooDoo [09:51] s-fox: I've taken loads [09:51] :) [09:51] daftykins: I take a photo, look at the screen and laugh ;) [09:52] quality over quantity ;) [09:52] s-fox: keep telling yourself that ;) [09:52] i do [09:52] anyway, you've seen my work and how picky i am hehe [09:53] s-fox: I did a gimp talk at my local camera club a few weeks ago, that went down well [09:54] cool [09:54] MooDoo, i am looking forward to the winter. i am going to try and get some ice / frost shots [09:54] s-fox: that'll look good [09:55] maybe some spiderwebs [09:55] yeah i got a few of them at the weekend, didn't come out all that well though [09:55] :/ [09:57] s-fox: problem is i'm to dependant on photoshop and lightroom at the moment lol [09:58] nothing wrong with photoshop [09:58] my editor of choice is that [09:59] s-fox: a bit expensive at£17 a month, don't think i'll be renewing at the end of the year [10:00] ahh, i made the investment of buying cs5 master collection MooDoo [10:00] <3 lightroom [10:01] * JamesTait wonders if he should consider this photo software thing instead of just posting snapshots from hsi phone. [10:01] s/hsi/his [10:02] \o/ 2nd screen plugged in and working with no issues [10:03] DJones: i should hope so given the year we're in :) [10:03] s-fox: it's lovely isn't it.... [10:03] yep [10:05] s-fox: i use cs6 at the moment, just shame the laptop isn't up to all the cool features lo.l [10:05] lol :) [10:05] MooDoo, i tend to get every other version [10:05] daftykins: Yeah, but this is on old hardware, I thought it might have choked [10:05] s-fox: I think I got this one as it's the first one to do a subscription model [10:06] how old? [10:07] <3 lightroom even more with multiple monitors [10:08] daftykins: Not sure on the age, but the graphics card is a Geforce FX5200 [10:08] heh [10:08] Looking at release dates, probably near 10 years old [10:09] is that down to what drivers you have available that it might not have worked then? [10:10] In a way, I thought with the age, some of the support may have been dropped, when I looked at upgrading to 12.10 I was warned that the graphics card may not be supported [10:11] ah-har [10:12] Just looking for a gwibber replacement that has twitter, identi.ca and facebook capeabilities [10:18] Ah well, that plan seems dead, looks like its a facebook notification search instead [10:18] isn't social media integrated into the unity menu yet? [10:24] i stopped using gwibber years ago, I did move to tweetdeck, don't think that has identi.ca support though [10:26] afaik tweetdeck only supports twitter, linkedin facebook foursquare and myspace [10:26] oh it did do buzz at one point oo [10:26] too [10:26] but yeah [10:32] Down side to working in a cafe: one has to be careful of links visited [10:38] bigcalm_laptop: microsoft.com isnt that bad ;) [10:39] no worse than any other website [10:39] :P [10:45] good morning everyone,, [10:46] hi [10:46] hi bashrc [10:51] morning brobostigon sorry miles away there [10:52] morning MooDoo [10:58] bigcalm_laptop: What are you doing on the apple site? [10:59] *hiss* [10:59] bigcalm_laptop: you're hissing at it? [12:00] BTW My local Tesco has no 70p-a-box frosted shredded wheat left. I bought them all.. :) [12:01] :O [12:01] why so cheap? [12:02] Dunno .. shredded wheat King decree'd it. [12:02] Could show you receipt , if you like ? [12:03] I dont think I will actually, too much cables involved. [12:04] I was on #freegamer channel for 5 hours last night. Awesome. [12:04] never heard of it [12:04] In fact I just feel awesome today.. me an awesome are one ! [12:04] **and [12:15] Could anyone recommend me an Ubuntu-compatible 'ultrabook'. Ideally one with a nice high res 1080p screen? My main worry is graphics card support, since my present laptop has lots of problems with the Nvidia proprietary drivers. Thanks. [12:16] which ultrabooks have 1080p screens? [12:16] I thought most were 1366x768 or thereabouts [12:18] That's kinda the problem. I don't actually care about the screen dimensions too much, just want something thin, lightweight and without extras like a DVD drive. [12:19] Perhaps ultra book was the wrong term [12:19] the new thinkpad yoga's look great [12:19] "laptop" :) [12:19] Yup [12:19] like really really great, if i had more in the kitty i'd grab one up [12:19] Laptop would have been a better start :-) [12:19] so I'd use the ebuyer selector thing [12:20] I'll Google the yoga. Thanks [12:20] http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Computer/cat/Laptops [12:20] and filter using the options on the left [12:20] Ah, thanks, that looks useful. [12:22] I'm on a GPRS connection at the moment, but will take a look at those suggestions as soon as I get better signal. Cheers [12:27] hello again all [12:41] Morning [12:45] MooDoo: me owld mucka [12:47] This cafe is getting too busy for my liking [12:51] interesting piece on radio 4 about people putting up QR codes which link to apps which contain malware [12:51] even sticking qr codes over the top of legitimate ones on posters [12:51] to capture credit card details [12:51] fun :) [12:52] Oh, so that's what QR codes are useful for [12:54] :) [12:54] exactly what I thought [12:55] "Oh, someone found a use for them!" [12:56] http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2012/01/qr-code-malware-arrives/ [13:06] Qirus [13:14] davmor2: @_ [13:15] ah that's annoying I love QR codes :( [13:16] !ping [13:16] bigcalm_laptop: Pong! [13:17] Ta [13:18] We lack a bot [13:21] bigcalm_laptop: sounds like a faith no more song, or is that we care a lot ;) [13:40] what do people use for decoding QR codes? [13:41] I used to have a rather geeky android app for doing them, but I don't think that is something "real people" would use [13:46] i use RL on iOS [13:46] "Red Laser" [13:46] it's more for scanning barcodes on products to get online prices [13:46] I do this in shops to make sure I'm not getting ripped off [14:10] wonder how many people know how to use a QR code at all [14:10] right now, I am not one of them [14:15] How can I list the permissions in terminal. I am looking for the 777, 775, 665 format. [14:16] kvarley: chmod 777 [14:16] list, not change [14:16] oh [14:16] i dont think you can with ls, at least the man page doesn't say so [14:16] but it's quite easy :) [14:16] rwx [14:16] 421 [14:16] Or does anybody know the "default" permission code? [14:17] alan@deep-thought:~$ touch foo [14:17] alan@deep-thought:~$ ls -l foo [14:17] -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 0 Nov 29 14:16 foo [14:17] that :) [14:17] 664 [14:17] popey: ok, thanks :) [14:17] but thats for files in your home [14:17] different for files in other places, and root owned files [14:17] and gives group writeable access (although nowadays, each user account has its own group) [14:17] popey: What number does drwxrwxr-x equate to? [14:18] it's different for directories [14:18] 775 [14:18] popey: Ok, thanks [14:18] rwx = 7, rwx = 7, r-x = 5 [14:18] well, different in that there's also the concept of traversing a directory to get to those below it [14:18] 4+x+1, 4+2+1, 4+1 [14:18] in the 3 digit form, the first number is owner, the second is group, ane third is others (or 'world') === 20WABM4XS is now known as jussi === jussi is now known as jussi01 [14:20] +4 for read, +2 for write, and +1 for execute, it's from ascending binary numbers for execute, write and read === jussi01 is now known as jussi [14:20] as popey said [14:39] i updated to 12.04 and my group wwwdata or www-data has gone missing should i recreate this or was it removed for some reason O.o [14:40] http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx [14:49] I had a thought the other day, for a website you can visit and it grabs your browser, flash, java, whatever version number and lists all the known vulnerabilities [14:49] somebody must've made this already, anyone know where it is? [14:54] its called your next million dollar idea! [15:06] Aw man, that's another domain to buy and never use [15:06] BigRedS, nice idea, then get it to charge you money to actually tell you what the vulnerabilities are [15:06] whilst you poke their system via those vulnerabilities you found [15:09] http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1211296-SU-1211294SU52 [15:09] that looks good [15:10] phoronix tests though so *shrug* :) === Guest33668 is now known as issyl0 === Mike is now known as Guest15487 === Mike_ is now known as Guest34562 [17:11] davmor2: splitter! [17:12] * davmor2 splits bigcalm_laptop's screen from his keyboard [17:14] Spiffy [17:23] Project Sputnik ships: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/dell-releases-powerful-well-supported-linux-ultrabook/ [17:24] .. in the us [17:24] :-P [17:24] ironically [17:25] aha [17:25] haha, even [17:25] I am rather fed up. Had a day of chasing bugs and not getting very far... Going for a beer. ttfn [17:30] \o [18:04] ~ [18:05] sorry [18:05] kitten attack [18:06] that is a sorry attack indeed [18:06] do better next time, kitten [18:08] She's starting to lern that when she stands on the laptop, she get's put on the floor again [18:09] it keeps the feet off the laptop else it gets the hose again [18:10] Quite hard to put her on the floor when she's so cute === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:56] Hi, evolution-calendar-factory is using 100% CPU and has no way of stopping it (killall doesn't work), it also randomly prompts that it has crashed at boot, any ideas what is going on? Thanks [18:56] Anyone got a chromebook cr-48? Is it any good? [19:39] Azelphur: I have the new ARM CHromebook [19:39] cool [19:39] and it's cool :) [19:39] haven't tried to run anything but chromeos on it though [19:39] hehe [21:23] Good evening peeps :) [21:30] sup bigcalm [21:30] Ale! [21:30] * bigcalm quaffs [21:30] How do, dogmatic69? [21:31] pip pip [21:31] Fnar fnar [21:34] What have I been missing out on recently? [21:41] That much? [21:42] bigcalm: all good. Getting my cart plugin finished up [21:42] Busy lad [21:42] I've been tempting suicide with unit testing [21:42] Tired of having to mess about with half decent shopping carts. [21:43] oh, I got my project 100% passing yesterday. Almost 2k tests. [21:44] This is a problem though... 'cat core.phpcs.txt | grep \| | wc -l' -> 8175 [21:44] phpunit keeps telling me that it's core dumping after doing --coverage. Not that I've seen any core dumps though. Well done on 100% :) [21:45] 8k 'coding standards' issues :/ [21:46] Ug [21:46] That's ps0? [21:46] things like if() should be if () [21:46] ye [21:46] Fun [21:46] well its using cakes cs config. [21:47] Trying to make it match cake as close as possible. [21:47] Yeah, it's difficult when the framework doesn't want to be standards compliant [21:48] cake is pretty good. They are doing ps* without the spaces afaik. [21:48] I can't remember what Symfony decided upon [21:48] I'm having a hateful time with phpdoc2 [21:48] ah, roadmap says 3.x finish psr0, implement psr1 [21:49] oh ye? [21:49] I used it here api.infinitas-cms.org [21:50] might look at something else. The docs are quite sparse for phpdoc... pretty ironic. [21:50] Yeah, I found that as well [21:50] I think my boss wants us to stick with phpdoc because it's using symfony2 now [21:51] building a doc gen in cake has crossed my mind. [21:51] Heh [21:52] I wonder if my trackball will come early and let me play with it tomorrow === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [23:51] no-one about ! [23:59] yeah, it's dead tonight