[05:16] <jacobw2> morning
[07:00] <AlanBell> morning
[07:01] <AlanBell> nice full moon this morning
[07:59] <hoover> morning all
[08:07] <popey> morning
[08:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:20] <andylockran> howdy
[08:20] <andylockran> gosh it's cold
[08:34] <diplo> Morning
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:10] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 me ol' mucka
[09:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: why aye man
[09:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: How be ya
[09:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: aye not too bad....
[09:18] <s-fox> hi
[09:18] <davmor2> reboot time
[09:20] <MooDoo> s-fox: hully
[09:20] <MooDoo> omg my typing is shit :S
[09:20] <s-fox> hully to you too MooDoo
[09:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[09:24] <s-fox> how are you MooDoo  ?
[09:24] <s-fox> hi jacobw2
[09:25] <s-fox> and JamesTait
[09:25] <s-fox> ;)
[09:25] <JamesTait> s-fox, o/
[09:26] <MooDoo> s-fox: I'm ok thank you
[09:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: Fancy Meeting you here :)
[09:29] <JamesTait> davmor2, fancy!
[09:30] <JamesTait> Seems like there are a few of us in the Midlands now, maybe we should set up a new office! :-P
[09:30] <MooDoo> JamesTait: where are you?
[09:31] <JamesTait> MooDoo, Derby.
[09:31] <MooDoo> JamesTait: not that far then
[09:31] <JamesTait> MooDoo, and you?
[09:31] <MooDoo> JamesTait: nottingham :D
[09:31] <JamesTait> MooDoo, not far indeed. :)
[09:32] <MooDoo> JamesTait: ubuntu hour at the trip ;)
[09:32] <JamesTait> I think I knew that somehow.
[09:32] <MooDoo> I'm sure it's been discussed many a time lol
[09:32] <JamesTait> MooDoo, do I have you on Google+?
[09:33] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah just search for Paul Mellors
[09:33] <JamesTait> Right, that's where I know you from then. :-P
[09:33]  * s-fox looks on map for derby....
[09:33] <MooDoo> JamesTait: i've just added you to a circle so you should see me
[09:34] <JamesTait> My ircnick<->realname converter is playing up.
[09:34] <JamesTait> I blame old age.
[09:34] <MooDoo> JamesTait: you're not that old are you?
[09:34] <JamesTait> MooDoo, depends who you ask. According to my kids I'm ancient. :-P
[09:34] <MooDoo> JamesTait: snap!
[09:35] <s-fox> ah, west of nottingham.  my geography is rubbish
[09:35] <JamesTait> s-fox, where are you?
[09:35] <s-fox> here
[09:35] <s-fox> :D
[09:35] <MooDoo> JamesTait: It's when I hit 40 last year they told me this lol
[09:35] <JamesTait> Didn't we have a map of this somewhere?
[09:35] <JamesTait> MooDoo, oh you *are* ancient then! :-P  I'm only 36.
[09:35] <MooDoo> http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[09:36] <JamesTait> Yes, MooDoo, that one. :)
[09:36] <MooDoo> :)
[09:37] <MooDoo> oh yeah i noticed there is no planet ubuntu-uk any more....
[09:37] <s-fox> my pin has gone missing :/
[09:37] <s-fox> *terrible news*
[09:37] <MooDoo> anyone know why ubuntu-uk has stopped feeding, too much work?
[09:39] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I think it was discussed at a recent LoCo meeting.
[09:39] <MooDoo> oh right, that's a shame.  enjoyed reading that.
[09:39] <s-fox> hmm, failed to download repo info for a couple of ppa stops software updater
[09:39] <s-fox> *that sucks*
[09:40] <daftykins> 0o
[09:40] <s-fox> JamesTait,  I'm in the middle between Leicester and Coventry
[09:40] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah was proposed on the 14th nov, that's a shame really
[09:43] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I think there was quite a lot of work involved in keeping everything we do running, and not enough volunteers to help do it.
[09:44] <bigcalm_laptop> Morning peeps
[09:44] <MooDoo> JamesTait: hmmm I think we need a volunteer page, i'd be up for maintaining the planet feed....I used to read that lol
[09:44] <daftykins> hey
[09:45] <s-fox> good morning bigcalm_laptop
[09:46] <s-fox> i never really understood why uk has a feed - unless it was for UK events. Ubuntu related news is news regardless of location
[09:46] <MooDoo> It was nice to see what the UK community was up to in their daily lifes....I liked reading it.
[09:47] <s-fox> MooDoo,  was it any content or ubuntu specific ?
[09:48] <MooDoo> s-fox: anything if i remember rightly it was an insight into the lifes and minds of the ububuntu uk community.
[09:48] <JamesTait> MooDoo, yeah, it didn't have to be Ubuntu-specific.
[09:48] <s-fox> an insight into my mind...scary thought. lol
[09:50] <s-fox> MooDoo,  how goes the photography ?
[09:50] <MooDoo> s-fox: it goes lol
[09:51] <daftykins> laughing photography, curious
[09:51] <s-fox> i've only taken one picture all month properly MooDoo
[09:51] <MooDoo> s-fox: I've taken loads
[09:51] <s-fox> :)
[09:51] <MooDoo> daftykins: I take a photo, look at the screen and laugh ;)
[09:52] <s-fox> quality over quantity ;)
[09:52] <MooDoo> s-fox: keep telling yourself that ;)
[09:52] <s-fox> i do
[09:52] <s-fox> anyway, you've seen my work and how picky i am hehe
[09:53] <MooDoo> s-fox: I did a gimp talk at my local camera club a few weeks ago, that went down well
[09:54] <s-fox> cool
[09:54] <s-fox> MooDoo,  i am looking forward to the winter. i am going to try and get some ice / frost shots
[09:54] <MooDoo> s-fox: that'll look good
[09:55] <s-fox> maybe some spiderwebs
[09:55] <MooDoo> yeah i got a few of them at the weekend, didn't come out all that well though
[09:55] <s-fox> :/
[09:57] <MooDoo> s-fox: problem is i'm to dependant on photoshop and lightroom at the moment lol
[09:58] <s-fox> nothing wrong with photoshop
[09:58] <s-fox> my editor of choice is that
[09:59] <MooDoo> s-fox: a bit expensive at£17 a month, don't think i'll be renewing at the end of the year
[10:00] <s-fox> ahh, i made the investment of buying cs5 master collection MooDoo
[10:00] <gord> <3 lightroom
[10:01]  * JamesTait wonders if he should consider this photo software thing instead of just posting snapshots from hsi phone.
[10:01] <JamesTait> s/hsi/his
[10:02] <DJones> \o/ 2nd screen plugged in and working with no issues
[10:03] <daftykins> DJones: i should hope so given the year we're in :)
[10:03] <MooDoo> s-fox: it's lovely isn't it....
[10:03] <s-fox> yep
[10:05] <MooDoo> s-fox: i use cs6 at the moment, just shame the laptop isn't up to all the cool features lo.l
[10:05] <s-fox> lol :)
[10:05] <s-fox> MooDoo,  i tend to get every other version
[10:05] <DJones> daftykins: Yeah, but this is on old hardware, I thought it might have choked
[10:05] <MooDoo> s-fox: I think I got this one as it's the first one to do a subscription model
[10:06] <daftykins> how old?
[10:07] <gord> <3 lightroom even more with multiple monitors
[10:08] <DJones> daftykins: Not sure on the age, but the graphics card is a Geforce FX5200
[10:08] <daftykins> heh
[10:08] <DJones> Looking at release dates, probably near 10 years old
[10:09] <daftykins> is that down to what drivers you have available that it might not have worked then?
[10:10] <DJones> In a way, I thought with the age, some of the support may have been dropped, when I looked at upgrading to 12.10 I was warned that the graphics card may not be supported
[10:11] <daftykins> ah-har
[10:12] <DJones> Just looking for a gwibber replacement that has twitter, identi.ca and facebook capeabilities
[10:18] <DJones> Ah well, that plan seems dead, looks like its a facebook notification search instead
[10:18] <s-fox> isn't social media integrated into the unity menu yet?
[10:24] <MooDoo> i stopped using gwibber years ago, I did move to tweetdeck, don't think that has identi.ca support though
[10:26] <s-fox> afaik tweetdeck only supports twitter, linkedin facebook foursquare and myspace
[10:26] <s-fox> oh it did do buzz at one point oo
[10:26] <s-fox> too
[10:26] <s-fox> but yeah
[10:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Down side to working in a cafe: one has to be careful of links visited
[10:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: microsoft.com isnt that bad ;)
[10:39] <s-fox> no worse than any other website
[10:39] <bigcalm_laptop> :P
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,,
[10:46] <bashrc> hi
[10:46] <brobostigon> hi bashrc
[10:51] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon sorry miles away there
[10:52] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[10:58] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: What are you doing on the apple site?
[10:59] <bigcalm_laptop> *hiss*
[10:59] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you're hissing at it?
[12:00] <bokjhv> BTW My local Tesco has no 70p-a-box frosted shredded wheat left. I bought them all.. :)
[12:01] <daftykins> :O
[12:01] <daftykins> why so cheap?
[12:02] <bokjhv> Dunno .. shredded wheat King decree'd it.
[12:02] <bokjhv> Could show you receipt , if you like ?
[12:03] <bokjhv> I dont think I will actually, too much cables involved.
[12:04] <bokjhv> I was on #freegamer channel for 5 hours last night. Awesome.
[12:04] <daftykins> never heard of it
[12:04] <bokjhv> In fact I just feel awesome today.. me an awesome are one !
[12:04] <bokjhv> **and
[12:15] <Guest34261> Could anyone recommend me an Ubuntu-compatible 'ultrabook'. Ideally one with a nice high res 1080p screen? My main worry is graphics card support, since my present laptop has lots of problems with the Nvidia proprietary drivers. Thanks.
[12:16] <popey> which ultrabooks have 1080p screens?
[12:16] <popey> I thought most were 1366x768 or thereabouts
[12:18] <Guest34261> That's kinda the problem. I don't actually care about the screen dimensions too much, just want something thin, lightweight and without extras like a DVD drive.
[12:19] <Guest34261> Perhaps ultra book was the wrong term
[12:19] <gord> the new thinkpad yoga's look great
[12:19] <popey> "laptop" :)
[12:19] <Guest34261> Yup
[12:19] <gord> like really really great, if i had more in the kitty i'd grab one up
[12:19] <Guest34261> Laptop would have been a better start :-)
[12:19] <popey> so I'd use the ebuyer selector thing
[12:20] <Guest34261> I'll Google the yoga. Thanks
[12:20] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Computer/cat/Laptops
[12:20] <popey> and filter using the options on the left
[12:20] <Guest34261> Ah, thanks, that looks useful.
[12:22] <Guest34261> I'm on a GPRS connection at the moment, but will take a look at those suggestions as soon as I get better signal. Cheers
[12:27] <MooDoo> hello again all
[12:41] <bigcalm_laptop> Morning
[12:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka
[12:47] <bigcalm_laptop> This cafe is getting too busy for my liking
[12:51] <popey> interesting piece on radio 4 about people putting up QR codes which link to apps which contain malware
[12:51] <popey> even sticking qr codes over the top of legitimate ones on posters
[12:51] <popey> to capture credit card details
[12:51] <popey> fun :)
[12:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Oh, so that's what QR codes are useful for
[12:54] <popey> :)
[12:54] <popey> exactly what I thought
[12:55] <popey> "Oh, someone found a use for them!"
[12:56] <popey> http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2012/01/qr-code-malware-arrives/
[13:06] <dwatkins> Qirus
[13:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: @_
[13:15] <czajkowski> ah that's annoying I love QR codes :(
[13:16] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[13:16] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Pong!
[13:17] <bigcalm_laptop> Ta
[13:18] <bigcalm_laptop> We lack a bot
[13:21] <MooDoo> bigcalm_laptop: sounds like a faith no more song, or is that we care a lot ;)
[13:40] <AlanBell> what do people use for decoding QR codes?
[13:41] <AlanBell> I used to have a rather geeky android app for doing them, but I don't think that is something "real people" would use
[13:46] <popey> i use RL on iOS
[13:46] <popey> "Red Laser"
[13:46] <popey> it's more for scanning barcodes on products to get online prices
[13:46] <popey> I do this in shops to make sure I'm not getting ripped off
[14:10] <AlanBell> wonder how many people know how to use a QR code at all
[14:10] <AlanBell> right now, I am not one of them
[14:15] <kvarley> How can I list the permissions in terminal. I am looking for the 777, 775, 665 format.
[14:16] <jacobw2> kvarley: chmod 777 <file>
[14:16] <popey> list, not change
[14:16] <jacobw2> oh
[14:16] <popey> i dont think you can with ls, at least the man page doesn't say so
[14:16] <popey> but it's quite easy :)
[14:16] <popey> rwx
[14:16] <popey> 421
[14:16] <kvarley> Or does anybody know the "default" permission code?
[14:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ touch foo
[14:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ls -l foo
[14:17] <popey> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 0 Nov 29 14:16 foo
[14:17] <popey> that :)
[14:17] <popey> 664
[14:17] <kvarley> popey: ok, thanks :)
[14:17] <popey> but thats for files in your home
[14:17] <popey> different for files in other places, and root owned files
[14:17] <dwatkins> and gives group writeable access (although nowadays, each user account has its own group)
[14:17] <kvarley> popey: What number does drwxrwxr-x equate to?
[14:18] <dwatkins> it's different for directories
[14:18] <popey> 775
[14:18] <kvarley> popey: Ok, thanks
[14:18] <popey> rwx = 7, rwx = 7, r-x = 5
[14:18] <dwatkins> well, different in that there's also the concept of traversing a directory to get to those below it
[14:18] <popey> 4+x+1, 4+2+1, 4+1
[14:18] <jacobw2> in the 3 digit form, the first number is owner, the second is group, ane third is others (or 'world')
[14:20] <jacobw2> +4 for read, +2 for write, and +1 for execute, it's from ascending binary numbers for execute, write and read
[14:20] <jacobw2> as popey said
[14:39] <Danawar> i updated to 12.04 and my group wwwdata or www-data has gone missing should i recreate this or was it removed for some reason O.o
[14:40] <popey> http://www.dell.com/us/soho/p/xps-13-linux/pd.aspx
[14:49] <BigRedS> I had a thought the other day, for a website you can visit and it grabs your browser, flash, java, whatever version number and lists all the known vulnerabilities
[14:49] <BigRedS> somebody must've made this already, anyone know where it is?
[14:54] <gord> its called your next million dollar idea!
[15:06] <BigRedS> Aw man, that's another domain to buy and never use
[15:06] <popey> BigRedS, nice idea, then get it to charge you money to actually tell you what the vulnerabilities are
[15:06] <popey> whilst you poke their system via those vulnerabilities you found
[15:09] <popey> http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1211296-SU-1211294SU52
[15:09] <popey> that looks good
[15:10] <popey> phoronix tests though so *shrug* :)
[17:11] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: splitter!
[17:12]  * davmor2 splits bigcalm_laptop's screen from his keyboard
[17:14] <bigcalm_laptop> Spiffy
[17:23] <theopensourcerer> Project Sputnik ships: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/dell-releases-powerful-well-supported-linux-ultrabook/
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> .. in the us
[17:24] <theopensourcerer> :-P
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> ironically
[17:25] <BigRedS> aha
[17:25] <BigRedS> haha, even
[17:25] <theopensourcerer> I am rather fed up. Had a day of chasing bugs and not getting very far... Going for a beer. ttfn
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> \o
[18:04] <daubers> ~
[18:05] <daubers> sorry
[18:05] <daubers> kitten attack
[18:06] <Laney> that is a sorry attack indeed
[18:06] <Laney> do better next time, kitten
[18:08] <daubers> She's starting to lern that when she stands on the laptop, she get's put on the floor again
[18:09] <mgdm> it keeps the feet off the laptop else it gets the hose again
[18:10] <daubers> Quite hard to put her on the floor when she's so cute
[18:56] <ahayzen> Hi, evolution-calendar-factory is using 100% CPU and has no way of stopping it (killall doesn't work), it also randomly prompts that it has crashed at boot, any ideas what is going on? Thanks
[18:56] <Azelphur> Anyone got a chromebook cr-48? Is it any good?
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have the new ARM CHromebook
[19:39] <Azelphur> cool
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> and it's cool :)
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> haven't tried to run anything but chromeos on it though
[19:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:23] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:30] <dogmatic69> sup bigcalm
[21:30] <bigcalm> Ale!
[21:30]  * bigcalm quaffs
[21:30] <bigcalm> How do, dogmatic69?
[21:31] <popey> pip pip
[21:31] <bigcalm> Fnar fnar
[21:34] <bigcalm> What have I been missing out on recently?
[21:41] <bigcalm> That much?
[21:42] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: all good. Getting my cart plugin finished up
[21:42] <bigcalm> Busy lad
[21:42] <bigcalm> I've been tempting suicide with unit testing
[21:42] <dogmatic69> Tired of having to mess about with half decent shopping carts.
[21:43] <dogmatic69> oh, I got my project 100% passing yesterday. Almost 2k tests.
[21:44] <dogmatic69> This is a problem though... 'cat core.phpcs.txt | grep \| | wc -l' -> 8175
[21:44] <bigcalm> phpunit keeps telling me that it's core dumping after doing --coverage. Not that I've seen any core dumps though. Well done on 100% :)
[21:45] <dogmatic69> 8k 'coding standards' issues :/
[21:46] <bigcalm> Ug
[21:46] <bigcalm> That's ps0?
[21:46] <dogmatic69> things like if() should be if ()
[21:46] <dogmatic69> ye
[21:46] <bigcalm> Fun
[21:46] <dogmatic69> well its using cakes cs config.
[21:47] <dogmatic69> Trying to make it match cake as close as possible.
[21:47] <bigcalm> Yeah, it's difficult when the framework doesn't want to be standards compliant
[21:48] <dogmatic69> cake is pretty good. They are doing ps* without the spaces afaik.
[21:48] <bigcalm> I can't remember what Symfony decided upon
[21:48] <bigcalm> I'm having a hateful time with phpdoc2
[21:48] <dogmatic69> ah, roadmap says 3.x finish psr0, implement psr1
[21:49] <dogmatic69> oh ye?
[21:49] <dogmatic69> I used it here api.infinitas-cms.org
[21:50] <dogmatic69> might look at something else. The docs are quite sparse for phpdoc... pretty ironic.
[21:50] <bigcalm> Yeah, I found that as well
[21:50] <bigcalm> I think my boss wants us to stick with phpdoc because it's using symfony2 now
[21:51] <dogmatic69> building a doc gen in cake has crossed my mind.
[21:51] <bigcalm> Heh
[21:52] <bigcalm> I wonder if my trackball will come early and let me play with it tomorrow
[23:51] <bootinfdsds> no-one about !
[23:59] <directhex> yeah, it's dead tonight