[14:38] * xTEMPLARx peeks into the room [14:40] xTEMPLARx: about time you bum [14:40] :P [14:40] :D [14:40] sorry it's been hectic at work lately [14:40] not much time for goofin' [14:42] well xTEMPLARx that is just unacceptable [14:43] agreed, friend [14:43] how's the young'un doin? [14:44] running around like a chicken with her head cut off... so doing great! yours? [14:44] getting along smashingly [14:45] i couldn't ask for a better son, imo [14:46] entering a join.me session with a customer... bbiaf [14:48] see you later xTEMPLARx [14:52] join.me is crazy sluggish [14:52] argh [14:53] well i'm crazy and sluggish too i should like that [14:54] ohh thats not what you meant [14:57] ;) [15:03] xTEMPLARx: my wife is gone this weekend starting friday night just me and the 20 month old red head [15:03] if there is a house left it will be a mess [15:03] you're doomed [15:05] nah we do pretty well together actually [15:05] we are both stubborn and hard headed [15:37] heya wrst [15:37] do you know any kb shortcuts to gnome shell? [15:37] i.e., is there one to easily switch workspaces? [15:38] ctl-alt-arrow key up or down [15:38] xTEMPLARx: i am now on kde got tired of every major gnome-shell update breaking all the extensions then having to wait weeks/months with a crippled desktop [15:39] really? [15:39] haha [15:39] guess I've been lucky [15:39] how many extensions were you using? [15:39] I MIGHT have one [15:39] maybe two [15:39] but I think just one [15:39] had 3 or four, I like having icons in the panel as they should be that was the major one, and minor yes i know [15:40] but the seem to be going somewhat backwards and just a pain as much as i loved gnome, i didn't leave them they left me [15:42] xTEMPLARx: here is my current setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/snapshot1.png [15:43] dual monitors? [15:43] thats on my desktop have the same theme on my laptop [15:45] mine seems so much more antiquated by comparison [15:45] I like my desktop icons [15:45] or rather, desktop full-o-icons [15:46] i use the desktop just for a workspace, for things i'm currently working with then off they go to what i consider a proper storage area [15:46] needless to say by that screenshot i was piddling :) [15:46] yup [15:46] i still haven't given up my desktop clutter yet [15:46] but I think its kinda funny [15:46] for as different as gnome shell is [15:46] but i'm enjoying kde 4.9, but whenever they change to kde 5.0 whenever that is and break everythign i will go back to gnome [15:47] mine has turned out not that different from what gnome 2 was giving me [15:47] xTEMPLARx: my thing is i shouldn't have to work to make my desktop usable [15:47] i shouldn't have to install a "tweak-tool" [15:47] etc etc version 3.0 i get it, 3.2 sure, 3.4 starting to bother me, 3.6 really? [15:47] wrst, I agree [15:48] i think the gnome devs really don't care what the users want, and that's their perogative so thats fine but I don't have to use it either [15:48] I'm happy in openbox land though where the parts are interchangeable [15:48] tweak tool is default, I believe, in the gnome shell 3.6 install with 12.10 gnomebuntu [15:48] xTEMPLARx: but its not a default gnome tool [15:48] and it should be, for sure [15:48] and its hackish looking and hackish at best [15:48] its like not including a preferences menu [15:48] kde you have that lovely system settings that is very os x like but works very nicely [15:49] yeah, but does it play nice with the rest of the network? [15:49] i never had it work well with the network [15:49] kde? [15:49] it was just the file manager [15:49] yes [15:49] dolphin actually works now, very well [15:49] browsing network shares in KDE (the last time I tried it) was clunky and difficult [15:49] samba shares that is [15:50] isn't it clunky and difficult in gnome? [15:50] actually around kde 4.5 i wanted to change but dolphin was horrible but now you just go to the network shares and it works [15:50] I've literally never had it work properly [15:50] it rendered my workflow here next to impossible [15:50] chris4585: i always had good luck with samba in gnome, and now it works well in kde [15:50] chris4585: actually no... i have NO problems with samba interactivity [15:51] ah, well I guess I always had bad luck with it [15:51] xTEMPLARx, chris4585 many times is that the actual desktop or is it how the backend is set up? [15:51] I prefer to have ssh and sftp [15:51] chris4585: that's my preference but at my house with windows and mac, samba is just the easy route and it works very nicely [15:52] but when i transfer large files, i use ssh seems to work better/quicker for me [15:52] backend I guess? and wrst yeah whatever is easiest [15:52] no complaints with samba's speed on our network [15:52] and this being a 90% windows-based company, samba it is [15:52] I rarely transfer files and when I do I just use filezilla or scp or sshfs or something like that [15:53] xTEMPLARx: probably something in my setup truth be told and I'm not exactly operating on great hardware either atom processor 1GB of RAM is my file server and not a super fast hard drive either, and 10/100 network card [15:53] Ah so [15:54] this is a quad-core amd box with a good nvidia card in it [15:54] still just a 100baseT network tho [15:54] that makes a difference i would think :) [15:54] but still not a 3 dollar newegg card ;) [15:55] our network is being difficult [15:55] but i don't have enterprise class routing equipment so i have lots o' bottlenecks and now that we have 10-15 devices on our network i'm starting to notice it even at home [15:55] xTEMPLARx, what cpu? I have a Phenom II 960T Zosma 3ghz overclocked to 3.2ghz [15:55] we definitely don't have enterprise-class anything here [15:55] enterprise stuff is expensive.... [15:55] we have a pfsense router that I built, and an old dell box for a linux-based filestorage machine [15:56] we have 3 phones, 2 tablets, 2 laptops, 1 wii, 2 directv receivers, 1 desktop, 1 server, on our network when we are all at home [15:56] chris4585: I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 840 at 3.2GHz [15:56] that seems to slow our wifi down [15:56] xTEMPLARx: you use pfsense at home? [15:56] i couldn't trick them into springing for the black edition though :( [15:56] xTEMPLARx, nice :) I like phenoms especially with how cheap they are today [15:56] wrst: nope just the netgear vpn router [15:57] ahh ok [15:57] chris4585: amen to t hat... this machine and my machine at home both run them and they're splendid [15:57] I got the black edition and its kind of nice to know I can tinker with it [15:57] http://i.imgur.com/aD9FA.jpg [15:57] i have thought about upgrading our router because with all our devices wifi gets a little wiggly sometime especially now that my daughter has my old phone and watches youtube videos when its time to settle down at night [15:57] that's my work desktop atm, wrst [15:57] eventually I'd like to get an 8350... when I get another job [15:58] xTEMPLARx, I like the theme [15:58] I think its more or less default [15:58] xTEMPLARx: clean your room young man [15:58] but i'm using AWN on the side there [15:58] can't get AWN to install via debs on 12.10 at home though [15:58] so I installed docky [15:58] I don't like docky [15:59] xTEMPLARx: there is a dock extension that wasn't too bad [15:59] I'm considering compiling awn [15:59] if it isn't broken :) [15:59] one thing that I can't get to work on here is conky [15:59] xTEMPLARx, try cairo-dock [15:59] it does strange things [15:59] I thought awn was the golden child until I tried cairo... [15:59] I used cairo-dock back in the day, and awn beat it out [15:59] but then again, AWN isn't being maintained now [15:59] http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdeebtOzIS1r1lde1o1_1280.jpg [15:59] so cairo may be king [16:00] cairo is basically compiz of the docks... [16:00] what sort of mouse-over animations does it provide? [16:00] nice looking desktop [16:00] cairo-dock is cool! [16:00] fire, 3d cube, stairs, uh a few others I don't remember [16:00] zoom [16:01] i used it back in my expirmentation days [16:01] that's with desktops not drugs [16:01] I use a little bounce/squish animation on mine that works really nicely and smoothly [16:01] xTEMPLARx, thanks, when I take a screenshot I try to make an art form lol [16:01] chris4585: lol [16:01] wrst, you funny [16:01] chris4585: at least you clean up before you take a screen shot [16:01] * wrst eyes xTEMPLARx [16:01] so what are you using there? that's not gnome shell is it? [16:02] wrst: my desktop is covered with UTILITY. there's nothing to clean up [16:02] nope, just my openbox with cairo-dock, nautilus and conky [16:02] ah openbox [16:02] openbox is pretty useful [16:02] honestly its too simple and it just works [16:02] fast and basic without being so basic that it hurts [16:03] yeah [16:03] I cannot argue against it [16:03] :) [16:03] that looks really nice chris4585 [16:03] wrst, thanks :) [16:03] xTEMPLARx: i can always argue... now I'm not always effective [16:03] lol [16:04] chris4585: very osx 'ish looking also no offense intended :) [16:04] i mean that in a good way [16:04] none taken, I even tried to do that sort of, http://chris4585.tumblr.com/post/33882118393/normally-i-have-icons-and-stuff-but-i-killed [16:05] os x does look nice... [16:05] I think that ^ was with awn though [16:05] yeah chris4585 i just find using it is a little bit limiting, no right click irritates me [16:05] You've inspired me... i'm shrinking the size of my awn bar so it's not so geriatric [16:05] unless you use a non apple mouse [16:06] lol [16:06] wrst, I think you can right click if you hold down a button on the keyboard or something [16:06] chris4585: you can but thats lame [16:06] my awn bar was kinda like this: http://bit.ly/QsFLZ3 [16:06] when I found out... I was like, but why not just use a mouse with two buttons? [16:06] especially on a 1500 buck laptop [16:07] xTEMPLARx, that looks like a phone [16:07] my little pony, eh? [16:07] lol? [16:07] my wife however loves her macbook, her iphone her ipad her ipod etc etc [16:07] i'm confused [16:07] that is a phone [16:07] but look how huge the buttons are [16:07] xTEMPLARx, yes [16:07] its for old people who can't see too good [16:07] your awn bar looks like a phone? [16:07] xTEMPLARx, oh lol gotcha [16:07] <------ old people who can't see too good [16:08] xTEMPLARx: you are over 40 i suppose that qualifies you ;) [16:08] next I'm gonna get me one of those metal horns to hear with [16:08] ha ha [16:08] but I'll have to get two so I can still get good stereo separation [16:08] xTEMPLARx, I honestly thought my bar was huge, I think I normally make it about 40 - 56px [16:08] or something like that [16:08] xTEMPLARx: too much loud music? [16:08] wrst: pretty much [16:09] at least it was worth it [16:09] now see you guys aren't doing much for my productivity [16:09] now I'm all scheming on how I can change my layout [16:09] i'm not helping mine either [16:09] I should be asleep [16:10] lol [16:10] wrst: it kinda was. my hearing loss is mainly in my right ear, so I can still hear my boy loud and clear in the left ear [16:10] ha ha [16:11] xTEMPLARx: i have been spending all my wasted time messing with my phone just got into cyanogenmod [16:11] oh nooooes [16:11] having fun with it? [16:12] yes I love it, hav ea samsung galaxy s3 and its a much better phoen without the samsung touchwhiz stuff [16:13] but i'm still an awful speller ! [16:13] wrst, I wish I had one... [16:13] wrst: does your cell provider not care if you monkey around? [16:13] xTEMPLARx: oh i'm sure they do since i voided the warranty and unlocked the bootloader [16:13] know what would be good fun? if someone would port android to the iphone [16:13] its verizon, aka the great satan of the phone industry [16:14] to replace iOS, that is [16:14] I consider AT&T to fill that role, wrst [16:14] verizon has great coverage [16:14] ha ha [16:14] so do I [16:14] and decent service [16:14] AT&T is evil [16:14] xTEMPLARx: they do but they are lacking in customer service [16:14] xTEMPLARx: my wife got an iphone5 [16:14] they must have gone downhill since I was with'em [16:14] okay guys, bed time [16:14] how's she likin' it? [16:14] sleep well, sir [16:15] she likes it but she really likes iStuff [16:15] a little too limiting for my taste [16:15] well, as it pertains to my ipad and phone, limiting is a welcome environment [16:16] less worry about villains from without trying to get into'em [16:18] well i'm sure that i don't have anything "calling home" now [16:19] and with CM you can do all sorts of things to lock your phone if you want [16:23] oh I'm sure [16:23] I guess that's just a device I want to just work and be what it is, rather than tinker with [16:23] maybe I'm getting old [16:23] :D [16:23] honestly, though, its been a refreshing experience as a tool [16:24] the ipad anyway [16:24] that doesn't mean I'd want my desktop to be anything remotely like that [16:24] it still needs to be my little sandbox [16:27] brb [16:31] xTEMPLARx: no i certainly get that and I think the devices are very good, just one of those, not for me things [16:33] installing openbox for tinkering [16:34] that's more serious tinkering than cyanogenmod on my phone xTEMPLARx :) [16:34] not really [16:34] openbox is pretty good, and still functional [16:34] plus, all my core software I need to access should still work there [16:34] could spend a lot more time with it [16:34] so if an emergency arises here, I won't be dead in the water [16:35] is there a CLI client for quassel? [16:35] xTEMPLARx: ohh i only pull in well proven stuff on my phone i trust them more than i trust OTA updates from verizon [16:35] xTEMPLARx: not that I know of, i have seen it discussed but have a nice client on my phone [16:35] well the one thing you can trust verizon to do is lock features out and keep you from fully utilizing your phone [16:36] even on my limited old LG ENV2 I had, they locked stuff out... really, verizon? the phone only does like 4 things [16:36] wonder how big a footprint (diskspace-wise) kde takes up these days [16:37] of course, if I have to ask, I probably can't afford it, right? [16:37] :P [16:37] brb again [16:39] in openbox now [16:41] methinks they are making it too difficult to change the background [16:41] lol [16:43] xTEMPLARx: footprint of kde and gnome i don't think are much different [16:43] RagnarokAngel: long time no see! [16:43] lol thanks wrst [16:43] I'm actually in here because of a class about linguisttics :-p [16:43] *linguistics [16:43] hurray analyzing the way that we talk on the internet [16:44] RagnarokAngel: are you bored? :) [16:44] wrst: lol no, I'm opening up the logs adn we're talking about the differences in Internet communications [16:44] the conventions of informal email vs chat vs formal email [16:44] ahh well we are an interesting bunch here [16:44] i always view formal emial like a letter [16:44] \/\/|-|47'5 \/\/|20|\|G w17h |-| w3 741K? [16:45] |-|0w [16:45] * [16:45] hah [16:46] xTEMPLARx: ? [16:46] still can't figure out how to put up an image as my desktop background [16:46] take it there isn't a right click change background option :) [16:46] not at all [16:48] wrst: yeah, we're talking about a linguists assumptions about email in 2006 vs reality of 2012 [16:48] RagnarokAngel: i'm thinking that it is much less formal now? [16:49] argh! [16:49] lol [16:50] wrst: actually, moreso. [16:50] all our informal convo is moving to other platforms [16:50] like here [16:50] or facebook/twitter/insert your favorite trendy social media [16:50] difficulty in classifying chat vs email as well [16:51] ahh that makes sense RagnarokAngel, perfect sense, email is the new sending a letter [16:51] ? [16:54] it's the new professional communication :-p [16:54] sending a letter is usu going to be on facebook now tbh [16:55] at least for most people collegiate aged or younger [17:01] which is scary, imo, as it gives an awful lot of power to FB [17:05] no patience to figure out openbox atm [17:05] back in gnome [17:06] I did do some much-needed scaling, though, so it feels as though I have more room now [17:08] looks like one of those things you spend a weekend on xTEMPLARx [17:08] probably so [17:08] it'd be nice, then, if, once you're done with your setup, you can save a block of files/settings so that you could quickly duplicate that setup on another machine [17:08] then i wouldn't backup my home directory and lose all the settings when i do something foolish [17:08] i'm sure you can [17:09] surely there is a .openbox folder or soemthing? [17:09] xTEMPLARx: what should i go get for lunch? [17:09] what's close to you? [17:10] not much [17:11] dairy queen, burger king you know those two should get married, anyway hardees and subway nothing that is local that is good really [17:13] better enjoy dairy queen while you still can [17:13] you'll miss it once it's gone [17:14] all of the dairy queens from our area are gone [17:14] none in loudon, blount or knox counties, and even gone outa roane county I believe [17:14] no blizzards [17:15] no GOOD dip cones [17:15] * xTEMPLARx cries [17:15] really xTEMPLARx, seems to be going strong here [17:16] glad to hear they didn't just disappear [17:17] no had a blizzard last week [17:17] take it back, I just discovered two locations in knoxville, both of which are too far from me [18:07] subway salad for me today, but the cookies probably ruined the salad effect xTEMPLARx [18:08] don't think of it that way [18:09] think of it as the salad paved the way for the possibility of the cookies [18:11] xTEMPLARx: that sounds like my type of thinking [18:11] my fatty fat fat thinking :)