[14:38]  * xTEMPLARx peeks into the room
[14:40] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: about time you bum
[14:40] <wrst> :P
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> sorry it's been hectic at work lately
[14:40] <xTEMPLARx> not much time for goofin'
[14:42] <wrst> well xTEMPLARx that is just unacceptable
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> agreed, friend
[14:43] <xTEMPLARx> how's the young'un doin?
[14:44] <wrst> running around like a chicken with her head cut off... so doing great! yours?
[14:44] <xTEMPLARx> getting along smashingly
[14:45] <xTEMPLARx> i couldn't ask for a better son, imo
[14:46] <xTEMPLARx> entering a join.me session with a customer... bbiaf
[14:48] <wrst> see you later xTEMPLARx
[14:52] <xTEMPLARx> join.me is crazy sluggish
[14:52] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[14:53] <wrst> well i'm crazy and sluggish too i should like that
[14:54] <wrst> ohh thats not what you meant
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> ;)
[15:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my wife is gone this weekend starting friday night just me and the 20 month old red head
[15:03] <wrst> if there is a house left it will be a mess
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> you're doomed
[15:05] <wrst> nah we do pretty well together actually
[15:05] <wrst> we are both stubborn and hard headed
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> heya wrst
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> do you know any kb shortcuts to gnome shell?
[15:37] <xTEMPLARx> i.e., is there one to easily switch workspaces?
[15:38] <wrst> ctl-alt-arrow key up or down
[15:38] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i am now on kde got tired of every major gnome-shell update breaking all the extensions then having to wait weeks/months with a crippled desktop
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> really?
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> guess I've been lucky
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> how many extensions were you using?
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> I MIGHT have one
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> maybe two
[15:39] <xTEMPLARx> but I think just one
[15:39] <wrst> had 3 or four, I like having icons in the panel as they should be that was the major one, and minor yes i know
[15:40] <wrst> but the seem to be going somewhat backwards and just a pain as much as i loved gnome, i didn't leave them they left me
[15:42] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: here is my current setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/snapshot1.png
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> dual monitors?
[15:43] <wrst> thats on my desktop have the same theme on my laptop
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> mine seems so much more antiquated by comparison
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> I like my desktop icons
[15:45] <xTEMPLARx> or rather, desktop full-o-icons
[15:46] <wrst> i use the desktop just for a workspace, for things i'm currently working with then off they go to what i consider a proper storage area
[15:46] <wrst> needless to say by that screenshot i was piddling :)
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> i still haven't given up my desktop clutter yet
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> but I think its kinda funny
[15:46] <xTEMPLARx> for as different as gnome shell is
[15:46] <wrst> but i'm enjoying kde 4.9, but whenever they change to kde 5.0 whenever that is and break everythign i will go back to gnome
[15:47] <xTEMPLARx> mine has turned out not that different from what gnome 2 was giving me
[15:47] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my thing is i shouldn't have to work to make my desktop usable
[15:47] <wrst> i shouldn't have to install a "tweak-tool"
[15:47] <wrst> etc etc version 3.0 i get it, 3.2 sure, 3.4 starting to bother me, 3.6 really?
[15:47] <chris4585> wrst, I agree
[15:48] <wrst> i think the gnome devs really don't care what the users want, and that's their perogative so thats fine but I don't have to use it either
[15:48] <chris4585> I'm happy in openbox land though where the parts are interchangeable
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> tweak tool is default, I believe, in the gnome shell 3.6 install with 12.10 gnomebuntu
[15:48] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: but its not a default gnome tool
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> and it should be, for sure
[15:48] <wrst> and its hackish looking and hackish at best
[15:48] <xTEMPLARx> its like not including a preferences menu
[15:48] <wrst> kde you have that lovely system settings that is very os x like but works very nicely
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> yeah, but does it play nice with the rest of the network?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> i never had it work well with the network
[15:49] <wrst> kde?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> it was just the file manager
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> yes
[15:49] <wrst> dolphin actually works now, very well
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> browsing network shares in KDE (the last time I tried it) was clunky and difficult
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> samba shares that is
[15:50] <chris4585> isn't it clunky and difficult in gnome?
[15:50] <wrst> actually around kde 4.5 i wanted to change but dolphin was horrible but now you just go to the network shares and it works
[15:50] <chris4585> I've literally never had it work properly
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> it rendered my workflow here next to impossible
[15:50] <wrst> chris4585: i always had good luck with samba in gnome, and now it works well in kde
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: actually no... i have NO problems with samba interactivity
[15:51] <chris4585> ah, well I guess I always had bad luck with it
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx, chris4585 many times is that the actual desktop or is it how the backend is set up?
[15:51] <chris4585> I prefer to have ssh and sftp
[15:51] <wrst> chris4585: that's my preference but at my house with windows and mac, samba is just the easy route and it works very nicely
[15:52] <wrst> but when i transfer large files, i use ssh seems to work better/quicker for me
[15:52] <chris4585> backend I guess? and wrst yeah whatever is easiest
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> no complaints with samba's speed on our network
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> and this being a 90% windows-based company, samba it is
[15:52] <chris4585> I rarely transfer files and when I do I just use filezilla or scp or sshfs or something like that
[15:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: probably something in my setup truth be told and I'm not exactly operating on great hardware either atom processor 1GB of RAM is my file server and not a super fast hard drive either, and 10/100 network card
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> Ah so
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> this is a quad-core amd box with a good nvidia card in it
[15:54] <xTEMPLARx> still just a 100baseT network tho
[15:54] <wrst> that makes a difference i would think :)
[15:54] <wrst> but still not a 3 dollar newegg card ;)
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> our network is being difficult
[15:55] <wrst> but i don't have enterprise class routing equipment so i have lots o' bottlenecks and now that we have 10-15 devices on our network i'm starting to notice it even at home
[15:55] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, what cpu? I have a Phenom II 960T Zosma 3ghz overclocked to 3.2ghz
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> we definitely don't have enterprise-class anything here
[15:55] <chris4585> enterprise stuff is expensive....
[15:55] <xTEMPLARx> we have a pfsense router that I built, and an old dell box for a linux-based filestorage machine
[15:56] <wrst> we have 3 phones, 2 tablets, 2 laptops, 1 wii, 2 directv receivers, 1 desktop, 1 server, on our network when we are all at home
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: I've got an AMD Phenom II X4 840 at 3.2GHz
[15:56] <wrst> that seems to slow our wifi down
[15:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx:  you use pfsense at home?
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> i couldn't trick them into springing for the black edition though :(
[15:56] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, nice :) I like phenoms especially with how cheap they are today
[15:56] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  nope just the netgear vpn router
[15:57] <wrst> ahh ok
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: amen to t hat... this machine and my machine at home both run them and they're splendid
[15:57] <chris4585> I got the black edition and its kind of nice to know I can tinker with it
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> http://i.imgur.com/aD9FA.jpg
[15:57] <wrst> i have thought about upgrading our router because with all our devices wifi gets a little wiggly sometime especially now that my daughter has my old phone and watches youtube videos when its time to settle down at night
[15:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's my work desktop atm, wrst
[15:57] <chris4585> eventually I'd like to get an 8350... when I get another job
[15:58] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, I like the theme
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> I think its more or less default
[15:58] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: clean your room young man
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> but i'm using AWN on the side there
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> can't get AWN to install via debs on 12.10 at home though
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> so I installed docky
[15:58] <xTEMPLARx> I don't like docky
[15:59] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: there is a dock extension that wasn't too bad
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> I'm considering compiling awn
[15:59] <wrst> if it isn't broken :)
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> one thing that I can't get to work on here is conky
[15:59] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, try cairo-dock
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> it does strange things
[15:59] <chris4585> I thought awn was the golden child until I tried cairo...
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> I used cairo-dock back in the day, and awn beat it out
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> but then again, AWN isn't being maintained now
[15:59] <chris4585> http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdeebtOzIS1r1lde1o1_1280.jpg
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> so cairo may be king
[16:00] <chris4585> cairo is basically compiz of the docks...
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> what sort of mouse-over animations does it provide?
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> nice looking desktop
[16:00] <wrst> cairo-dock is cool!
[16:00] <chris4585> fire, 3d cube, stairs, uh a few others I don't remember
[16:00] <chris4585> zoom
[16:01] <wrst> i used it back in my expirmentation days
[16:01] <wrst> that's with desktops not drugs
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> I use a little bounce/squish animation on mine that works really nicely and smoothly
[16:01] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, thanks, when I take a screenshot I try to make an art form lol
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> chris4585: lol
[16:01] <chris4585> wrst, you funny
[16:01] <wrst> chris4585: at least you clean up before you take a screen shot
[16:01]  * wrst eyes xTEMPLARx
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> so what are you using there?  that's not gnome shell is it?
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  my desktop is covered with UTILITY.  there's nothing to clean up
[16:02] <chris4585> nope, just my openbox with cairo-dock, nautilus and conky
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> ah openbox
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> openbox is pretty useful
[16:02] <chris4585> honestly its too simple and it just works
[16:02] <xTEMPLARx> fast and basic without being so basic that it hurts
[16:03] <chris4585> yeah
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> I cannot argue against it
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> :)
[16:03] <wrst> that looks really nice chris4585
[16:03] <chris4585> wrst, thanks :)
[16:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i can always argue... now I'm not always effective
[16:03] <chris4585> lol
[16:04] <wrst> chris4585:  very osx 'ish looking also no offense intended :)
[16:04] <wrst> i mean that in a good way
[16:04] <chris4585> none taken, I even tried to do that sort of, http://chris4585.tumblr.com/post/33882118393/normally-i-have-icons-and-stuff-but-i-killed
[16:05] <chris4585> os x does look nice...
[16:05] <chris4585> I think that ^ was with awn though
[16:05] <wrst> yeah chris4585 i just find using it is a little bit limiting, no right click irritates me
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> You've inspired me... i'm shrinking the size of my awn bar so it's not so geriatric
[16:05] <wrst> unless you use a non apple mouse
[16:06] <chris4585> lol
[16:06] <chris4585> wrst, I think you can right click if you hold down a button on the keyboard or something
[16:06] <wrst> chris4585: you can but thats lame
[16:06] <xTEMPLARx> my awn bar was kinda like this:  http://bit.ly/QsFLZ3
[16:06] <chris4585> when I found out... I was like, but why not just use a mouse with two buttons?
[16:06] <wrst> especially on a 1500 buck laptop
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, that looks like a phone
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> my little pony, eh?
[16:07] <chris4585> lol?
[16:07] <wrst> my wife however loves her macbook, her iphone her ipad her ipod etc etc
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> i'm confused
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> that is a phone
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> but look how huge the buttons are
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, yes
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> its for old people who can't see too good
[16:07] <wrst> your awn bar looks like a phone?
[16:07] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, oh lol gotcha
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> <------ old people who can't see too good
[16:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you are over 40 i suppose that qualifies you ;)
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> next I'm gonna get me one of those metal horns to hear with
[16:08] <wrst> ha ha
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> but I'll have to get two so I can still get good stereo separation
[16:08] <chris4585> xTEMPLARx, I honestly thought my bar was huge, I think I normally make it about 40 - 56px
[16:08] <chris4585> or something like that
[16:08] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: too much loud music?
[16:08] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  pretty much
[16:09] <wrst> at least it was worth it
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> now see you guys aren't doing much for my productivity
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> now I'm all scheming on how I can change my layout
[16:09] <wrst> i'm not helping mine either
[16:09] <chris4585> I should be asleep
[16:10] <chris4585> lol
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  it kinda was.  my hearing loss is mainly in my right ear, so I can still hear my boy loud and clear in the left ear
[16:10] <wrst> ha ha
[16:11] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i have been spending all my wasted time messing with my phone just got into cyanogenmod
[16:11] <xTEMPLARx> oh nooooes
[16:11] <xTEMPLARx> having fun with it?
[16:12] <wrst> yes I love it, hav ea samsung galaxy s3 and its a much better phoen without the samsung touchwhiz stuff
[16:13] <wrst> but i'm still an awful speller !
[16:13] <chris4585> wrst, I wish I had one...
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  does your cell provider not care if you monkey around?
[16:13] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: oh i'm sure they do since i voided the warranty and unlocked the bootloader
[16:13] <xTEMPLARx> know what would be good fun?  if someone would port android to the iphone
[16:13] <wrst> its verizon, aka the great satan of the phone industry
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> to replace iOS, that is
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> I consider AT&T to fill that role, wrst
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> verizon has great coverage
[16:14] <wrst> ha ha
[16:14] <chris4585> so do I
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> and decent service
[16:14] <chris4585> AT&T is evil
[16:14] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: they do but they are lacking in customer service
[16:14] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my wife got an iphone5
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> they must have gone downhill since I was with'em
[16:14] <chris4585> okay guys, bed time
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> how's she likin' it?
[16:14] <xTEMPLARx> sleep well, sir
[16:15] <wrst> she likes it but she really likes iStuff
[16:15] <wrst> a little too limiting for my taste
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> well, as it pertains to my ipad and phone, limiting is a welcome environment
[16:16] <xTEMPLARx> less worry about villains from without trying to get into'em
[16:18] <wrst> well i'm sure that i don't have anything "calling home" now
[16:19] <wrst> and with CM you can do all sorts of things to lock your phone if you want
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> oh I'm sure
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> I guess that's just a device I want to just work and be what it is, rather than tinker with
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> maybe I'm getting old
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:23] <xTEMPLARx> honestly, though, its been a refreshing experience as a tool
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> the ipad anyway
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> that doesn't mean I'd want my desktop to be anything remotely like that
[16:24] <xTEMPLARx> it still needs to be my little sandbox
[16:27] <xTEMPLARx> brb
[16:31] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: no i certainly get that and I think the devices are very good, just one of those, not for me things
[16:33] <xTEMPLARx> installing openbox for tinkering
[16:34] <wrst> that's more serious tinkering than cyanogenmod on my phone xTEMPLARx :)
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> not really
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> openbox is pretty good, and still functional
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> plus, all my core software I need to access should still work there
[16:34] <wrst> could spend a lot more time with it
[16:34] <xTEMPLARx> so if an emergency arises here, I won't be dead in the water
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> is there a CLI client for quassel?
[16:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ohh i only pull in well proven stuff on my phone i trust them more than i trust OTA updates from verizon
[16:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: not that I know of, i have seen it discussed but have a nice client on my phone
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> well the one thing you can trust verizon to do is lock features out and keep you from fully utilizing your phone
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> even on my limited old LG ENV2 I had, they locked stuff out... really, verizon?  the phone only does like 4 things
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> wonder how big a footprint (diskspace-wise) kde takes up these days
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> of course, if I have to ask, I probably can't afford it, right?
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[16:37] <xTEMPLARx> brb again
[16:39] <xTEMPLARx> in openbox now
[16:41] <xTEMPLARx> methinks they are making it too difficult to change the background
[16:41] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:43] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: footprint of kde and gnome i don't think are much different
[16:43] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: long time no see!
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> lol thanks wrst
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> I'm actually in here because of a class about linguisttics :-p
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> *linguistics
[16:43] <RagnarokAngel> hurray analyzing the way that we talk on the internet
[16:44] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: are you bored? :)
[16:44] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: lol no, I'm opening up the logs adn we're talking about the differences in Internet communications
[16:44] <RagnarokAngel> the conventions of informal email vs chat vs formal email
[16:44] <wrst> ahh well we are an interesting bunch here
[16:44] <wrst> i always view formal emial like a letter
[16:44] <xTEMPLARx> \/\/|-|47'5 \/\/|20|\|G w17h |-| w3 741K?
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> |-|0w
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> *
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> hah
[16:46] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ?
[16:46] <xTEMPLARx> still can't figure out how to put up an image as my desktop background
[16:46] <wrst> take it there isn't a right click change background option :)
[16:46] <xTEMPLARx> not at all
[16:48] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yeah, we're talking about a linguists assumptions about email in 2006 vs reality of 2012
[16:48] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i'm thinking that it is much less formal now?
[16:49] <xTEMPLARx> argh!
[16:49] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: actually, moreso.
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> all our informal convo is moving to other platforms
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> like here
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> or facebook/twitter/insert your favorite trendy social media
[16:50] <RagnarokAngel> difficulty in classifying chat vs email as well
[16:51] <wrst> ahh that makes sense RagnarokAngel, perfect sense, email is the new sending a letter
[16:51] <wrst> ?
[16:54] <RagnarokAngel> it's the new professional communication :-p
[16:54] <RagnarokAngel> sending a letter is usu going to be on facebook now tbh
[16:55] <RagnarokAngel> at least for most people collegiate aged or younger
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> which is scary, imo, as it gives an awful lot of power to FB
[17:05] <xTEMPLARx> no patience to figure out openbox atm
[17:05] <xTEMPLARx> back in gnome
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> I did do some much-needed scaling, though, so it feels as though I have more room now
[17:08] <wrst> looks like one of those things you spend a weekend on xTEMPLARx
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> probably so
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> it'd be nice, then, if, once you're done with your setup, you can save a block of files/settings so that you could quickly duplicate that setup on another machine
[17:08] <wrst> then i wouldn't backup my home directory and lose all the settings when i do something foolish
[17:08] <xTEMPLARx> i'm sure you can
[17:09] <wrst> surely there is a .openbox folder or soemthing?
[17:09] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what should i go get for lunch?
[17:09] <xTEMPLARx> what's close to you?
[17:10] <wrst> not much
[17:11] <wrst> dairy queen, burger king you know those two should get married, anyway hardees and subway nothing that is local that is good really
[17:13] <xTEMPLARx> better enjoy dairy queen while you still can
[17:13] <xTEMPLARx> you'll miss it once it's gone
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> all of the dairy queens from our area are gone
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> none in loudon, blount or knox counties, and even gone outa roane county I believe
[17:14] <xTEMPLARx> no blizzards
[17:15] <xTEMPLARx> no GOOD dip cones
[17:15]  * xTEMPLARx cries
[17:15] <wrst> really xTEMPLARx, seems to be going strong here
[17:16] <xTEMPLARx> glad to hear they didn't just disappear
[17:17] <wrst> no had a blizzard last week
[17:17] <xTEMPLARx> take it back, I just discovered two locations in knoxville, both of which are too far from me
[18:07] <wrst> subway salad for me today, but the cookies probably ruined the salad effect xTEMPLARx
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> don't think of it that way
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> think of it as the salad paved the way for the possibility of the cookies
[18:11] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: that sounds like my type of thinking
[18:11] <wrst> my fatty fat fat thinking :)