[05:01] <Kilos> hi psydroid nuvolari and others
[05:08] <Squirm> lo
[05:11] <Kilos> hey Squirm 
[05:28] <nlsthzn> morning all
[05:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[05:31] <nlsthzn> peeps in SA up early
[05:34] <Kilos> just Squirm and i
[05:35] <Kilos> others on their way to work or still in lurking mode
[05:53] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:54] <Kilos> hi there magespawn 
[05:56] <superfly> good night
[05:57] <Kilos> you going to bed superfly ?
[05:57] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:57] <superfly> I wish I was
[05:57] <magespawn> superfly?
[05:57] <Kilos> aw
[05:57] <magespawn> need to sleep or you start missing things
[05:58] <magespawn> Kilos what type of solder should i use for electrical circuits resin or acid?
[05:59] <Kilos> resin where ever possible
[05:59] <Kilos> all copper use resin
[05:59] <magespawn> now there is a non ubuntu question lol
[05:59] <magespawn> ahh okay
[05:59] <superfly> actually, I was in bed a little earlier last night... just past midnight.
[05:59] <Kilos> but use an ubuntu soldering iro
[05:59] <Kilos> iron
[05:59] <magespawn> and what time do you get up superfly?
[06:00] <Kilos> eish superfly 
[06:00] <superfly> 6
[06:00] <Kilos> one needs 7 hours a night to stay healthy
[06:00] <magespawn> if you fall asleep immediatly that is 6 hours, plenty, assuming it is not interrupted
[06:01] <magespawn> but then again maybe that is why i miss quite a bit
[06:01] <Kilos> hehe
[06:02] <magespawn> and look about 10 years older than i am lol
[06:02] <magespawn> see y'all later
[06:02] <Kilos> go well magespawn 
[06:29] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:29] <jrgns> morning Kilos
[06:29] <jrgns> i'm on a vpn again today, so just a quick checkin
[06:30] <Kilos> ok
[06:43] <inetpro> good morning
[06:43] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[06:44] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks for the mail... but I'll only look at it laters
[07:20] <magespawn> inetpro np
[07:22] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[07:22] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[07:22] <magespawn> quiet since i left
[07:23] <Kilos> yeah
[07:23] <Kilos> only you and i got things to say looks like
[07:23] <Kilos> everyone else is too busy
[07:24] <magespawn> its like they have to work or something
[07:25] <Kilos> yeah
[07:34] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:34] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:35] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[07:35] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[07:35] <mazal> Ok dankie 
[07:37] <mazal> Het oom reggekom met daai drive ?
[07:37] <Kilos> ja hy werk honnerd
[07:38] <mazal> Mooi ! Wat het toe gewerk ?
[07:38] <Kilos> het daai mbr gekopie van my unity en moes bietjie sukkel om weer patisies te maak maar nou werk dit mooi
[07:39] <Kilos> die mbr het n virus of iets in gehad
[07:39] <mazal> Ek moet daai command bêre , het oom hom nog naby
[07:39] <Kilos> wag ek soek
[07:40] <mazal> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 ?
[07:40] <Kilos> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[07:40] <mazal> Dink dit was dit
[07:40] <Kilos> dis hy
[07:40] <mazal> Ditto hehehe
[07:41] <Kilos> testdisk just found the head count was wrong on a 40g drive and fixed it
[07:41] <mazal> Testdisk ? Is that part of ubcd ?
[07:41] <Kilos> no data recovery program in ubuntu
[07:42] <Kilos> testdisk photorec scalpel and one more i forget
[07:42] <Kilos> i think maybe ubcd has it on too
[07:43] <mazal> I see I have testdisk
[07:43] <mazal> Never used it though
[07:44] <Kilos> works well but takes long
[07:48] <Kilos> magespawn, whats the other one
[07:48] <Kilos> finds data after drive has been formatted three times even
[07:49] <Kilos> only files lose their original name and get numbers
[07:49] <mazal> I hope I never need it
[07:50] <mazal> With tripple backups I shouldn't :P
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:51] <mazal> Kilos can you do something with an external with broken power supply ?
[07:51] <Kilos> get another power suppy
[07:51] <Kilos> or have that one fixed
[07:52] <Kilos> doesnt it take power from the usb
[07:52] <mazal> Tried , very hard. And the one they eventually send doesn't work
[07:52] <mazal> Thinking of "converting" it to internal
[07:53] <mazal> ie , breaking the case open hehehe
[07:53] <Kilos> maybe the case isnt good
[07:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:54] <Kilos> what external is it?
[07:56] <Kilos> you might be able to get a replacement control board
[07:57] <mazal> It's a samsung and def power supply
[07:57] <mazal> Haven't looked at it myself yet , but the user described the probem
[07:57] <mazal> problem even
[07:57] <mazal> The dog ate up the power cable of the supply
[07:58] <mazal> She then searched all over and couldn't find a replacement
[07:58] <mazal> Eventually called samsung head office , and they send one that doesn't work
[07:58] <Kilos> maybe one can make up such a cable if you have the plugs at ends in good nick still
[07:58] <Kilos> ai
[07:59] <mazal> I'm gonna look at it when I am mobile again
[07:59] <mazal> See what can be done
[07:59] <mazal> But I am sooooooooo thinking of chuking the case
[07:59] <Kilos> no man
[08:00] <Kilos> size of drive in it?
[08:00] <Kilos> and whats a def power supply
[08:01] <mazal> 2TB
[08:02] <Kilos> oooo lekker
[08:02] <Kilos> nurse it
[08:41] <nlsthzn> anyone know of a way to update zeitgeist or what ever the indexer for unity is... I have installed two different apps and can't see them now (I know once I reboot they should be there but don't want to reboot now)?
[08:44] <nlsthzn> brb
[08:44] <nlsthzn> :/
[08:59] <magespawn> Kilos ddrescue or gddrescue I think
[09:00] <magespawn> mazal that power supply has to match the one for the drive in terms of volts,amps and watts the jack has to have the same polairty
[09:02] <magespawn> any good electronics store should be able to help, take along the old power supply for comparison
[09:02] <mazal> magespawn, the user says she already has been everywhere and nobody could supply one
[09:02] <Kilos> ah ty magespawn i see its in repos for maverick
[09:03] <magespawn> mazal strange
[09:04] <Kilos> both of them
[09:04] <Kilos> hehe i got more tools to play with
[09:05] <mazal> magespawn, that's why she eventually contacted samsung sa head office and even the one they send didn't work
[09:05]  * inetpro looking for a command to list number and cumulative size of files in a folder by file extension
[09:06] <Kilos> and foremost was the other one magespawn mazal 
[09:06] <Kilos> just hit me
[09:06] <mazal> That's why I think change it to internal drive
[09:06] <magespawn> that might not work, some externals have specific controller cards in the case
[09:06] <Kilos> mazal, are the plugs at the ends good still with a bit of the cable left?
[09:07] <Kilos> especially the one to the external
[09:07] <mazal> I dunno Kilos , I haven't seen it myself yet. Will go and look once I am healthy and mobile again. All of this info is as she gave it to me
[09:07] <Kilos> ah
[09:08] <Kilos> get it delivered
[09:08] <mazal> Maybe they missed something I can see
[09:08] <Kilos> dont deliver deliver is de best part
[09:09] <Kilos> one side must be usb
[09:09] <mazal> What bothers me as that the one samsung themself send her don't work
[09:09] <Kilos> so you can cut a usb cable up for the pc end
[09:10] <Kilos> maybe controller messed up
[09:10] <mazal> And as I could gather , this thing have been in the post as well
[09:10] <mazal> That bothers me too
[09:11] <mazal> Dunno what hammering it took maybe
[09:11] <Kilos> oh my
[09:11] <Kilos> no handle with care sticker. as if the postal peeps care
[09:12] <mazal> Will know more when I see it and talk to her again
[09:16] <inetpro> one nice summary: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 file | cut -f2 -d: | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[09:16] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:17] <Kilos> all them pipes
[09:22] <magespawn> inetpro is there a limit to how many pipes you can use
[09:22] <magespawn> ?
[09:23] <Kilos> looks like the limit is the number of destinations you find
[09:24] <inetpro> magespawn: memory
[09:25] <inetpro> obviously the above example doesn't give me a summary of the size 
[09:25] <inetpro> just the number of files by type of file
[09:25] <magespawn> obviously
[09:25] <inetpro> which is kind of nice 
[09:26] <magespawn> the only thing obvious to the rest of use from that example is that it does something and has pipes
[09:26] <magespawn> lol
[09:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:26] <inetpro> ai
[09:26] <Kilos> at times he is too clever for his own good
[09:27] <magespawn> but he must keep sharing that is how the rest of us learn
[09:27] <Kilos> yeah
[09:27] <Kilos> ty goosie
[09:30] <Kilos> ill stick to the nuts and bolts
[09:33] <Kilos> i see testdisk can also rewrite the mbr
[09:42] <inetpro> heh magespawn, that command may not be most efficient
[09:43] <inetpro> I'm hoping that the fly or the weed will come with a better solution
[09:44] <inetpro> or anyone else for that matter
[09:45] <inetpro> then if it's not available yet someone should actually have it scripted or compiled as a standard command on *nix
[10:06] <Kilos-> lo Vince-0 
[10:09] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos- 
[10:21] <Vince-0> work work
[10:21] <inetpro> Vince-0: go work!
[10:22] <Vince-0> meh
[10:22] <inetpro> lol
[10:22] <Vince-0> *peon voice: work work
[10:22] <Kilos-> lol
[10:22] <Vince-0> *peon voice: we don't have enough gold
[10:22] <inetpro> work is more fun than fun
[10:23] <Vince-0> ya research work , but suppor work is kaak
[10:23] <Kilos-> you gotta look at work from a different angle
[10:23] <inetpro> Kilos-: you have a tail
[10:23] <Kilos-> without work no food place to stay and no internet
[10:23] <Kilos-> oh my
[10:24] <Kilos> ty goosie
[10:24] <Kilos> hehe thats as bad as flahhh
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[10:34] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:55] <inetpro> btw, the following can also give a nice relevant summary
[10:55] <inetpro> find . -type f -exec basename {} \; |  grep  '\.' | sed 's/^[^.]*\.//g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[10:55] <inetpro> sadly basename can not handle multiple files at once
[10:57] <mazal> Ish , that makes my head hurt :P
[10:57] <inetpro> mazal: you have a better solution?
[10:59] <mazal> no way , I'm not smart enough hehehe
[11:01] <mazal> Amazing the stuff you huys know
[11:01] <mazal> guys even
[11:02] <inetpro> mazal: google is your friend
[11:03] <Kilos> eek
[11:06] <confluency> inetpro: that gets confused by filenames with dots.
[11:06] <magespawn> mazal check out http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/
[11:06] <charl_> moshi moshi
[11:06] <magespawn> lol
[11:06] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[11:06]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:06] <charl_> good afternoon all
[11:07] <magespawn> hey charl_ confluency
[11:07] <confluency> inetpro: just replace [^.] with .
[11:09] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[11:10] <magespawn> like so confluency find . -type f -exec basename {} \; |  grep  '\.' | sed 's/^.*\.//g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr
[11:10] <confluency> Yes.
[11:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[11:10] <magespawn> it all looks a bit like heiroglyphics to me
[11:11] <confluency> This is an odd thing to need -- why a breakdown by file type, not by directory?
[11:15] <inetpro> confluency: oh thanks, that helps even if the previous one is also relevant
[11:17] <inetpro> confluency: I just wanted a summary of files on one of my web servers
[11:20] <magespawn> ooh cook that reminds me brb
[11:22] <magespawn> right back
[11:25] <mazal> inetpro, indeed , but scripting isn't. I get confused with all the dots and commas and all
[11:28] <mazal> I once worked through that cli manual. And enjoyed it. But I keep forgetting
[11:32] <mazal> This was my attempt at scripting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1396713/  An elementary menu script. Bit of a mess hey
[11:51] <inetpro> sjoe
[11:52]  * inetpro would die a silent death if forced to use that menu for administering *nix boxen
[11:52] <inetpro> mazal: no offence
[11:52] <inetpro> offense*
[11:52] <inetpro> I like the idea
[11:53] <inetpro> better to know what you do though and type those commands as needed
[11:55] <mazal> Ja that was just a little project to try and learn scripting
[11:55] <mazal> Have never actually used that
[11:55] <mazal> I wanted to learn and didn't know what to try and build , so I sommer used the menu idea
[11:56] <inetpro> nice one to learn
[11:56] <inetpro> so many ways to skin a cat
[11:56] <mazal> But then got frustrated cos I couldn't get it more streamline and better
[11:57] <mazal> At least I tried , took a long time
[11:57] <inetpro> TMTOWTDI
[11:58] <mazal> hey ?
[11:59] <inetpro> mazal: TMTOWTDI
[11:59] <inetpro> oops
[11:59] <inetpro> Maaz: TMTOWTDI
[11:59] <Maaz> There's more than one way to do it (TMTOWTDI or TIMTOWTDI, pronounced “Tim Toady”) is a Perl motto.
[12:03] <mazal> aah , nice :)
[12:04] <mazal> That's actually one of the things I like about linux
[12:04] <magespawn> the key maker " Always another way"
[12:04] <mazal> So many options
[12:05] <mazal> And strangely enough , it's actually the cli that hooked back when I tried linux the first time
[14:25] <magespawn> later all 
[14:27] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[14:27] <Kilos> afternoon magtie 
[14:49] <inetpro> mazal, confluency: (for t in `find . -type f -exec basename {} \; | grep '\.' | sed 's/^.*\.//g' | sort | uniq`;do total=0; find . -name "*.$t" -exec du -k {} \; | awk -v FType=$t '{total += $1} END {print total " " FType}';done) | sort -nr
[14:49] <inetpro> not elegant but it works
[14:50] <mazal> jo
[15:20] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[15:25]  * mazal can't decide to do archiving tonight or tomorrow 
[15:31] <Kilos> old sayiing..never put off till tomorrow what you can do today
[15:31] <mazal> hmm
[15:31] <inetpro> mazal: do it now and later and again tomorrow
[15:32] <Kilos> modern version.. never do today what you can put off till tomorrow
[15:32] <inetpro> do it automagically
[15:32]  * inetpro loves rsnapshot
[15:33] <Kilos> have you gone home yet pro
[15:33] <Kilos> havent
[15:34] <mazal> hehehe , inetpro I think I am already paranoid enough with backups :)
[15:34] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[15:35] <Kilos> hmm because you live there
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: but I live here also
[15:37] <Kilos> hehe but the food better at home
[15:37] <inetpro> you want me to go away?
[15:37] <Kilos> not from irc dodo
[15:38] <inetpro> :-)
[15:38] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[15:38] <Kilos> stupid 2 tb wont take ubuntu alongside or nothing
[15:39] <Kilos> funny messages when booting from cd
[15:39] <mazal> Ok guys , I go do archiving
[15:39] <mazal> L8tr
[15:39] <Kilos> takes long
[15:39] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos - sorry was working on code
[15:39] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[15:39] <Kilos> np
[15:39] <inetpro>  wont take ubuntu alongside or nothing?
[15:39] <inetpro> that's a bit cryptic IMHO
[15:39] <Kilos> something about sda timeout 10 secs and killal bla bla bla /sda
[15:40] <Kilos> battles to boot from cd
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> i dont member everything man
[15:40] <inetpro> funny messages is also very cryptic
[15:40] <Kilos> i cant copy paste from there
[15:40] <inetpro> is like you keeping some secrets from us?
[15:41] <Kilos> grr
[15:41] <inetpro> :-)
[15:41] <Kilos> lol
[15:41] <Kilos> twit
[15:41] <Kilos> alongside or nothing is no choice to install anywhere
[15:41] <inetpro> yikes
[15:41] <Kilos> where you went to school
[15:42] <inetpro> how long is a piece of string?
[15:42] <Kilos> go ask for your money back they taught you nothing
[15:42] <inetpro> ai
[15:42] <Kilos> dunno if its a 6+1 block thing or what
[15:44] <inetpro> Kilos: hope somebody can help
[15:44]  * inetpro gotta go
[15:44] <Kilos> but will sort the swine thing sooner or later
[15:44] <Kilos> go safe
[15:44] <Kilos> dont fall off bicycle
[15:44] <inetpro> ya ya
[15:44] <Kilos> rofl
[15:46] <Kilos> even tried a stupid centos cd but looks like they arent live
[15:49] <Kilos> any drive that wont take ubuntu cant leave here
[16:02] <Kilos> wb magtie 
[16:30] <Kilos> even unity looks good after days of that other thing
[16:55] <Kilos> ##kilos
[16:55] <Kilos> mazal, ^^
[16:55] <mazal> ta
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:21] <Kilos> hmm net split got only magespawn 
[17:39] <Kilos> wb magtie 
[17:39] <magtie> tks Kilos
[18:09] <smile4ever> hii! :)
[18:10] <Kilos> hi smile
[18:13] <Banlam> hoerskool centurion on Hackaday today: http://hackaday.com/2012/11/29/science-fair-project-sorts-recyclables
[18:18] <smile4ever> hi oom kilos and banlam :)
[18:18] <smile4ever> high school, Banlam ? :D
[18:18] <Kilos> naand Banlam 
[18:18] <Banlam> smile4ever, yeah. it's a high school up in pretoria
[18:18] <Banlam> hi everyone
[18:19] <Banlam> smile4ever, the e should have an umlaut
[18:19] <Banlam> two little dots
[18:19] <smile4ever> Ek het gesien Noord-Kaap en Suid-Kaap het oorwegend Afrikaanstalige bevolking, is daardie bewering korrek? :o
[18:19] <Banlam> noord kaap het min bevolking punt
[18:19] <Banlam> :P
[18:19] <smile4ever> hoërskool! :p
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <Banlam> yup
[18:19] <Banlam> and the suid-kaap isn't a specific area?
[18:19] <Kilos> thats like by prieska hey
[18:20] <smile4ever> no, banlam? what is it? :P
[18:20] <smile4ever> isn't it a province? :p
[18:20] <Banlam> nope
[18:21] <Banlam> northern cape, western cape, eastern cape, free state, north west, limpopo, mpumalanga, kwa-zulu natal, gauteng
[18:22] <Kilos> most of gautend and western cape is mainly afrikaans methinks
[18:22] <Kilos> or used to be
[18:22] <Banlam> kilos, it's really hard to say
[18:22] <Banlam> western cape does have large percentage, the coloureds help
[18:22] <Banlam> but there aer so many people who haev moved to the cities
[18:22] <Banlam> if you look at areas like khayalitcha
[18:22] <Banlam> which are high population areas
[18:22] <Kilos> yeah here too
[18:22] <Banlam> of non-afrikaans speakears
[18:23] <Banlam> brb
[18:23] <Kilos> durban is english
[18:23] <Kilos> that i know
[18:25] <Kilos> poor nuvolari is lost there
[18:25] <Squirm> lo
[18:26] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[18:35] <mazal> Lo Banlam , smile4ever , Squirm 
[18:35] <Banlam> back
[18:37] <Squirm> front
[18:37] <Banlam> :)
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> all goos Squirm 
[18:38] <Kilos> or still tired
[18:38] <Kilos> good as well
[18:38] <smile4ever> West-Kaap & Noord-Kaap, het ek bedoel ;)
[18:38] <Banlam> ah k
[18:39] <Squirm> Kilos: after a few beers now. I can hardly keep my eyes open
[18:39] <Kilos> you gonna get a boepens
[18:39] <Squirm> oh well
[18:40] <Squirm> I play enough squash
[18:40] <Kilos> ah
[18:40] <mazal> Maaz , beer
[18:40] <Maaz> mazal: Excuse me?
[18:40] <mazal> lol
[18:40] <Banlam> squash \o/
[18:41] <Banlam> smile4ever, according to StatsSA: NC: 54%, WC: 50%, adn the next highest is FS: 13%
[18:41] <Banlam> http://www.world-data-atlas.com/statssa/
[18:42]  * smile4ever looks
[18:42] <Banlam> click on "Provinces" in the top right
[18:43] <Banlam> then scroll down for "Languages - Afrikaans"
[18:44] <smile4ever> I found it :D
[18:45] <Kilos> are them stats up to date
[18:45] <Banlam> supposed to be
[18:45] <Banlam> the results are from the Oct 2011 census
[18:46] <Banlam> i
[18:46] <Kilos> ah
[18:46] <Banlam> i'll admit i'm slightly surprised
[18:46] <mazal> Me too
[18:46] <smile4ever> WC has really a lot of Afrikaans speakers :p
[18:46] <smile4ever> :D
[18:46] <mazal> Didn't think the cape is that high
[18:46] <Kilos> i though the western cape was like 80% afrikaans
[18:46] <Banlam> nor did i
[18:46] <Kilos> things change hey
[18:47] <Banlam> o.O
[18:47] <Banlam> Kilos, the results from 1996 aren't much different
[18:47] <Kilos> how far back can you go?
[18:47] <Banlam> 1996
[18:47] <Banlam> 1996 WC was 59%
[18:48] <Kilos> i stayed at the gordons bay hotel once and there were no english peeps around
[18:48] <Banlam> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> and stellenbosch too
[18:49] <Kilos> we went to ride footups there
[18:49] <Banlam> stellenbosch is quite heavily afrikaans yes
[18:49] <Banlam> footups?
[18:49] <mazal> I must visit cape town one day
[18:49] <Kilos> footup trials
[18:49] <Banlam> i still don't know what that is
[18:50] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0bTII35DA
[18:50] <Kilos> http://www.trials.co.za/
[18:51] <Kilos> also called observed trials
[18:51] <Banlam> ah ok
[18:56] <Kilos> very quiet here tonight
[18:56] <Kilos> inetpro, you are right
[18:56]  * inetpro wonders why
[18:56] <Kilos> power cut killed maverick
[18:57] <Banlam> chat later, i'm off to table tennis
[18:57] <inetpro> s/wonders/wanders/
[18:57] <inetpro> Banlam: geniet!
[18:57] <Banlam> dankie
[18:57] <Kilos> recovery mode goes to 2.868005  <irq> and stays there
[18:57] <Kilos> wanders is moving around
[18:58] <Kilos> toods Banlam 
[18:58] <inetpro> yikes
[18:58] <inetpro> I always get deurmekaar with that
[18:58] <inetpro> not as easy as sed and awk
[18:59] <Kilos> wonder en wonder same word spelling and meaning
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: danke
[19:00] <Kilos> Bitteschön
[19:00] <Kilos> hehe
[19:00] <inetpro> btw Kilos, what was I right with?
[19:00] <Kilos> stole that from maaz
[19:00] <Kilos> power cuts being bad for software
[19:00] <inetpro> ai
[19:01] <Kilos> and my maverick desktop is full of useful packages and files and commands and a coupla isos
[19:03] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened?
[19:04] <Kilos> power cut again for 20 secs
[19:04] <inetpro> did you not have a ups?
[19:04] <Kilos> then i came to this pc with unity and psu
[19:04] <Kilos> ups 
[19:04] <Kilos> told you today ups was on other pc
[19:04]  * Kilos cries
[19:05] <Kilos> my lovely lovely irreplacable maveric
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: ups = Uninterruptible Power Supply
[19:05] <Kilos> ya that
[19:05] <Kilos> its here on 12.04
[19:06] <Kilos> maverick on other pc
[19:07] <Kilos> but
[19:07] <Kilos> haha
[19:07] <Kilos> i got maverick on 20g drive i made for sister and its got boot-repair
[19:07] <Kilos> so there is hope yet
[19:09]  * mazal gaan duik
[19:09] <mazal> Lekker slaap almal
[19:09] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: when the power goes down you usually stay on a bit, how do you do that?
[19:12] <inetpro> mage[tab] bye
[19:12] <Kilos> i was on that pc when poower went off
[19:12] <inetpro> on that pc?
[19:12] <Kilos> now i got it to the grub prompt
[19:13] <Kilos> the one with maverick and no ups
[19:13] <inetpro> you have a ups on the one pc but not on the other?
[19:13] <Kilos> ya
[19:13] <inetpro> ai
[19:13] <Kilos> too far apart
[19:13] <inetpro> and the one with the ups crashed?
[19:13] <Kilos> no the one without the ups
[19:13] <inetpro> ahh
[19:13] <inetpro> nou verstaan ek beter
[19:14] <inetpro> was 'n lang dag
[19:14] <Kilos> one with ups is where i been doin g the repair to the 2 tb drive
[19:15] <inetpro> ya power failures are no good for a system, even though systems are so much more robust these days
[19:15] <Kilos> when in grub prompt and you type help the help file flashes past too wuick to see how do i  get it page for page?
[19:16] <inetpro> like I said in that other channel of yours in the olden days you even had to park the drive to prevent a crash
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:16] <Kilos> i gotta fix maverick
[19:16] <Kilos> i will fix maverick
[19:17] <inetpro> of course you will
[19:17] <inetpro> the hardware should be fine
[19:18]  * inetpro hasn't worked enough in the grub interface
[19:18] <inetpro> maybe you can pipe to more as in | more
[19:18] <inetpro> that is fairly standard
[19:19] <inetpro> even since dos
[19:20] <Kilos> maybe its easier to put sisters drive there as sda and boot-repair
[19:20] <Kilos> i got a few saved downloaded pages on how to fix when on grub> on maverick
[19:20] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <inetpro> what are the symptoms?
[19:22] <inetpro> just the mbr again?
[19:22] <Kilos> cant boot into desktop
[19:22] <Kilos> no
[19:22] <inetpro> what are the symptoms?
[19:22] <Kilos> its maverick
[19:22] <Kilos> it boots to grub menu
[19:22] <Kilos> but recovery is corrupt
[19:23] <Kilos> and that command thing there cant install stuff
[19:23] <inetpro> so you do see the grub menu?
[19:24] <Kilos> yes
[19:24] <inetpro> and when you choose an option?
[19:24] <Kilos> recovery runs scripts then hangs
[19:24] <inetpro> ai
[19:24] <Kilos> both of them but at different places
[19:25] <Kilos> latest one stops at irq number
[19:25] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:26] <Kilos> no worry inetpro lemme put sisters drive in there
[19:26] <Kilos> im sure boot-repair will fix it
[19:27] <inetpro> maybe you should create a small /boot separate partition  next time
[19:27] <Kilos> it is 2g
[19:28] <Kilos> i can install another releasae and not format home as well
[19:28] <Kilos> but i love maverick
[19:29] <inetpro> if you keep a separate boot partition and something breaks then you have less to fix
[19:30] <smile4ever> byeeee :p
[19:30] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[19:30] <inetpro> smile4ever: lekker slaap
[19:30] <Kilos> yip i always install with / /boot /home and /storage
[19:31] <smile4ever> dankie inetpro 
[19:31] <Kilos> even unity and kde are done like that
[19:31] <smile4ever> dag oom kilos :p
[19:31] <Kilos> nag smile4ever 
[19:31] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[19:31] <smile4ever> :D
[19:31] <Kilos> dag is day
[19:31] <inetpro> ahh
[19:31] <Kilos> or hello
[19:32] <inetpro> lol
[19:32] <inetpro> Kilos: hy't dit gemis
[19:33] <Kilos> ya man
[19:33] <Kilos> ai
[19:33] <Kilos> onthou my more om hom te se
[19:38] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:38] <inetpro> sukkel jy?
[19:39]  * inetpro wonder waar bly superfly vandag
[19:39] <Kilos> his quassel core is sick again
[19:39] <Kilos> hy jaag om goed klaar te kry
[19:39] <superfly> very busy
[19:40] <inetpro> superfly: sorry
[19:40] <Kilos> het jy daai ding van hom gesien inetpro 
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: openlp
[19:40] <inetpro> ?
[19:40] <Kilos> ya
[19:40] <Kilos> i installed it here
[19:40] <inetpro> ja daai ding is ongelooflik
[19:41] <Kilos> lovely hey?
[19:41] <inetpro> weet nie hoekom enigiemand iets anders sal gebruik vir kerk doeleindes nie
[19:41] <Kilos> ek stem
[19:42] <inetpro> jy kan selfs die slideshow met jou selfoon dryf terwyl jy in jou kerbank sit
[19:42] <Kilos> wonderlik ne
[19:43] <inetpro> en dit word net elke dag beter en beter
[19:43] <Kilos> ja but he needs to get lotsa sleep
[19:44] <Kilos> missed sleep takes ages to catch up
[19:44] <inetpro> nee man, hy weet hoe om te slaap
[19:44] <Kilos> ja man maar hy het nie goeg tyd nie
[19:44] <inetpro> lol
[19:45] <inetpro> een van die dae het hy vakansie dan kan hy lekker slaap inhaal
[19:45] <Kilos> ja maar dis moelik met kleintjies by
[19:46] <Kilos> en hy het seker nog goed aan die gang ook
[19:46] <inetpro> ai
[19:47] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:47] <Kilos> nou hang sis se maverick
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:47] <Kilos> eerste keer
[19:47] <Kilos> in die middel van boot-repair\
[19:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:48] <inetpro> jy seker dit hang?
[19:48] <Kilos> dit wys daai ubuntu login skerm met die 5 rooi dotjies
[19:48] <inetpro> sometimes things look like they are hanging when suddenly all goes on again
[19:49]  * inetpro hates the rooi dotjies
[19:49] <Kilos> it was on a desktop with boot-repair running
[19:49] <inetpro> I always disable the splash thingy
[19:49]  * inetpro wants to see what is happenin
[19:49] <Kilos> now thats gone and that page with dots showing but no movement
[19:50] <Kilos> if it stops boot-repair halfway both drives gone
[19:51] <Kilos> no ctrl+alt+f1 or f2
[19:51] <Kilos> sigh
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: how do you do a boot-repair while you have the bootup splash screen?
[19:54] <Kilos> her drive booted all the way in
[19:54] <inetpro> and?
[19:54] <Kilos> then i ran boot-repair 
[19:54] <inetpro> from?
[19:54] <Kilos> places admin boot-repair
[19:55] <Kilos> it ran for about 10 mins scanning drives
[19:55] <inetpro> and then you rebooted?
[19:55] <Kilos> then splash screen
[19:55] <Kilos> weird
[19:55] <inetpro> nee man
[19:55] <Kilos> nope it didnt finish and say you can now reboot
[19:55] <inetpro> I verstaan nie lekker nie
[19:56] <Kilos> while boot-repair was running still the splash screen came up
[19:56] <inetpro> so you start boot-repair after getting fully into the working system?
[19:56] <Kilos> yessir
[19:57] <inetpro> what does it do?
[19:57] <inetpro> what does it have to do with the splash screen?
[19:57] <Kilos> it scans drives then fixes boot areas and then says now you can reboot
[19:57] <Kilos> it  has never done this before
[19:58] <inetpro> is it a gui thing?
[19:58] <Kilos> ya
[19:58] <inetpro> ai
[19:58] <Kilos> it can run on one desktop while you carry on on the others
[19:58]  * inetpro hates gui
[19:59] <Kilos> you can also do sudo boot-repair
[19:59] <Kilos> but still get a little window
[19:59] <inetpro> nee man
[19:59] <Kilos> huh
[19:59]  * inetpro would never do a low level disk repairing with a gui tool
[20:00] <Kilos> it ask for password when it starts from places admin as well so
[20:00] <Kilos> works from root
[20:00] <inetpro> ai ai ai
[20:01] <Kilos> looks like goodbye maverick
[20:01] <Kilos> ai ai ai
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: says who?
[20:04] <Kilos> dunno if i will get to grub> again or even initramfs
[20:04] <Kilos> will see
[20:04] <Kilos> scared to turn it off
[20:05] <inetpro> why can you not just do the cli thing?
[20:05] <inetpro> sudo grub-install /dev/XXX
[20:05] <inetpro> where XXX is the device of your Ubuntu install. (eg: grub-install /dev/sdb)
[20:06] <Kilos> shoulda told me that before i tried boot repair
[20:07] <inetpro> boot repair should not mess up your partitions
[20:07] <inetpro> they should all be safe
[20:08] <Kilos> her drive dont boot
[20:08] <inetpro> well
[20:08] <Kilos> trying recovery
[20:08] <inetpro> teh partitions should still be ok
[20:08] <inetpro> unless you broke them
[20:08] <Kilos> ?
[20:09] <inetpro> what options did you choose with boot-repair?
[20:09] <Kilos> it didnt get to options
[20:09] <Kilos> normally use recommended one though
[20:10] <Kilos> was still scanning
[20:10] <inetpro> you just clicked the "Recommended repair" button?
[20:10] <Kilos> it didnt get that far
[20:10] <inetpro> boot up with live cd
[20:11] <inetpro> and in fact, don't even go to the gui
[20:11] <inetpro> just go to the cli to start
[20:12]  * inetpro hasn't done this for a long time, can you even boot to the cli with a live cd these days?
[20:13] <Kilos> booting to maverick cd
[20:13] <Kilos> eeek
[20:13] <Kilos> lotsa red text in the background
[20:14] <inetpro> why?
[20:14] <Kilos> fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed is the last line
[20:14] <Kilos> ?
[20:14] <inetpro> ai
[20:15] <Kilos> everything is different
[20:16] <Kilos> showing text from live cd
[20:16] <Kilos> ?
[20:17] <Kilos> oh my
[20:17] <inetpro> everything is different?
[20:18] <inetpro> what?
[20:18] <inetpro> you fell off your chair?
[20:18] <Kilos> never seen text when booting from live cd
[20:18] <inetpro> ai
[20:19] <Kilos> lol
[20:20] <Kilos> maybe i can bring drive here and do sudo fsck -f /sdb
[20:20] <inetpro> nee
[20:21] <inetpro> well, before you try that just try the very simple sudo grub-install /dev/XXX
[20:21] <Kilos> live cd now stopped by kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[20:21] <Kilos> cant boot from maverick cd
[20:22] <inetpro> now what does that tell you?
[20:22] <inetpro> try remove you HDD entirely and boot with live cd again
[20:22] <Kilos> live cd now stopped by kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10
[20:22] <Kilos> lotsa text before that
[20:22] <inetpro> Kilos: try remove you HDD entirely and boot with live cd again
[20:23] <Kilos> there are sis_init and kernel_init lines
[20:23] <inetpro> the cd is read only, so can only be damaged by scratches
[20:23] <Kilos> ok
[20:23] <inetpro> press and hold the button to shut down
[20:23] <Kilos> ya
[20:23] <inetpro> don't just pull the plug, as mentioned earlier today
[20:24] <Kilos> 4 secs
[20:25] <inetpro> now remove all HDD drive cables and boot again with live cd
[20:25] <inetpro> obviously with the cd cables connected :-)
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe
[20:26] <inetpro> s/HDD drives cables/HDD cables/
[20:26] <Kilos> uhoh
[20:26] <inetpro> ai
[20:26] <Kilos> same script
[20:27] <inetpro> lol
[20:27] <Kilos> no live cd boot
[20:27] <Kilos> battery out time again
[20:27] <inetpro> huh?
[20:27] <Kilos> same text when booting from live cd
[20:27] <Kilos> maybe cd faulty
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:28] <inetpro> maybe hardware faulty
[20:28] <Kilos> sjoe sjoe sjoe
[20:28] <inetpro> so at least you know it should not be the drive
[20:28] <Kilos> and look at the time
[20:28] <Kilos> you gotta go sleep
[20:28] <Kilos> and me
[20:28] <Kilos> yeah hopefully
[20:29] <inetpro> try resetting the bios thing as you said... well, tomorrow
[20:29] <Kilos> yeah will do when i awake
[20:29] <Kilos> ty for your help inetpro 
[20:29] <inetpro> np
[20:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:30] <inetpro> goeie nag oom
[20:30] <Kilos> sien julle môre
[20:30] <Kilos> gaan slaap jy ook
[20:30] <Kilos> nou
[20:30] <Kilos> nie later nie inetpro 
[20:31] <inetpro> ai
[20:31] <inetpro> te vroeg for me
[20:31] <Kilos> nee man
[20:31] <Kilos> jy oud
[20:31] <inetpro> lol
[20:31] <Kilos> hee hee
[20:31]  * inetpro can't remember the last time I slept before midnight
[20:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:32] <inetpro> actually I'm lying
[20:32] <Kilos> and you wake when
[20:32] <inetpro> yesterday I think was early
[20:32] <inetpro> something like 23:50
[20:32] <Kilos> ai
[20:32] <inetpro> and wake at ~7:00
[20:33] <Kilos> go sleep now
[20:33] <Kilos> you had a long day
[20:33] <inetpro> ja ja
[20:33] <Kilos> ah 7 hours is good
[20:33] <Kilos> nag boetie
[20:33] <inetpro> nag oom
[20:33] <Kilos> stuur die vlieg ook bed toe
[20:33] <inetpro> haha
[20:34] <inetpro> jy kan hom niks vertel nie
[20:34] <inetpro> nag oom Ki[tab]
[21:46] <bakuman> Looks like te Sputnik has finally been released