| jjfrv8 | pleia2, hope this isn't a dumb question: where is the FAQ doc for Q? I'd like to look at the questions you want help on but wanted to compare to what's out there already. | 00:18 |
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| pleia2 | jjfrv8: it's in a xubuntu.org post draft, I don't think we had a public place for collaboration aside general from general discussion here | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | (and now on list) | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | they are all similar to past FAQ we've done though | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | from past releases: http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ | 00:19 |
| jjfrv8 | Yup, got those. Okay, I'll take a stab at #'s 3 & 8. | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | awesome, thank you :) | 00:20 |
| GridCube | pleia2, i had made this back in the day http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/C2kd45fYMJ | 00:48 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: ah, yeah, looks like that was mostly copied over and morphed into what we have now | 00:49 |
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| pjotr | mr_pouit: thanks for fixing the 'double partitions on the desktop' bug! | 10:57 |
| pjotr | everybody: I have a wish list for Xubuntu 13.04, that I would like to discuss with you: | 10:58 |
| pjotr | 1. LibreOffice in the iso instead of Abiword and Gnumeric. Xubuntu is a full fledged alternative for the big boys Unity, Gnome and KDE. So it needs to have a professional office suite by default. Note that I *like* Abiword; heck, I even translate it upstream. But it's natural place is in a mini like Lubuntu... | 10:59 |
| pjotr | 2. Synaptic and GDebi in the iso. Especially Synaptic is such a cool professional tool... | 10:59 |
| pjotr | Of course I suppose this would mean a DVD iso instead of a CD iso. But CD's are dying anyway; when I go to a store, it's nearly all DVD-R and DVD-RW that I see on the shelves. Somewhere tucked away you can still find CD-R's, if you're lucky. | 10:59 |
| pjotr | What do you think? | 11:01 |
| elfy | I'd agree | 11:02 |
| ochosi | i guess the main issue of "should we stick to 700mb images for cds" should be broadly discussed | 11:03 |
| ochosi | i had a lengthy discussion with knome about it a few days ago, he seems to like the idea of sticking to cds (not going to repeat his arguments here and now), maybe we should discuss it on the mailinglist | 11:03 |
| ochosi | so, pjotr (or elfy), feel free to post to the ML ;) | 11:04 |
| elfy | not sure I'm worried enough to do that - takes me a few minutes to do all that with an install :) | 11:08 |
| pjotr | First impressions are important.... | 11:08 |
| ochosi | well my main point about cd size is that we don't have much space to "move" right now | 11:10 |
| astraljava | pjotr: Synaptic is going away, AFAIUI. Not sure about gdebi, but possibly. | 11:15 |
| pjotr | astraljava: why would Synaptic go? You mean upstream will kill it? | 11:16 |
| pjotr | ochosi: I've just sent my wish list to the mailing list. | 11:17 |
| astraljava | pjotr: Well I'm not sure, but considering the home page has last been updated in '09, I'd say it's not very strongly alive, either. | 11:29 |
| astraljava | But that page is probably not the real one. There's practically nothing of interest in savannah.nongnu.org. | 11:32 |
| pjotr | astraljava: this is the ral page, I think: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/synaptic.html | 11:37 |
| pjotr | Thank heaven, it's alive and kicking.... :-) | 11:38 |
| astraljava | Yes well, that's the debian package page, not the upstream, unless debian _is_ the upstream. | 11:54 |
| knome | afaik, michael vogt (mvo) is the maintainer of synaptic | 13:41 |
| knome | or used to be | 13:41 |
| knome | or sth. | 13:41 |
| knome | GridCube, is the question in #x in the FAQ? | 13:41 |
| GridCube | not that i know off, no | 13:41 |
| knome | maybe it should | 13:43 |
| GridCube | sure, its pretty common | 13:43 |
| knome | yeah | 13:43 |
| knome | it should cover everything in theming, not just the panel | 13:43 |
| knome | ...maybe | 13:43 |
| knome | or even the menu layout | 13:44 |
| astraljava | knome: In this case, does maintainer != upstream author? | 13:45 |
| knome | i don't know | 13:45 |
| knome | but aiui, he's the one that has made sure it works | 13:46 |
| knome | at least he'd know more of it | 13:46 |
| ochosi | pleia2: the messaging menu regression basically comprises that we don't ship it anymore and that ppl who need/want it should stick with 12.04 | 13:46 |
| knome | saw him at uds and said hi (hanged out with him too in uds-j) | 13:47 |
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| knome | ochosi, re: drop CD size | 14:01 |
| knome | i don't think it's a good idea to switch to DVD/USB just because we want to include X, Y and Z | 14:02 |
| GridCube | o/ | 14:02 |
| ochosi | knome: feel free to post that to the thread on the ML | 14:02 |
| ochosi | but i never said that | 14:02 |
| ochosi | in fact i tried to explicitely disconnect those two discussions | 14:02 |
| GridCube | can i argue back the reasoning i gave to dropping the alternate iso's¡ | 14:02 |
| GridCube | s/¡/?/ | 14:02 |
| knome | we should first think if those really fit the xubuntu "core"; then we're looking at the actual list of things we want to include, and also know the approximate image space that would eay | 14:03 |
| knome | eat | 14:03 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah. just saying :) | 14:03 |
| knome | ochosi, i just had a really clear moment and i realized that it's too easy to say "we want X, Y and Z, why don't we add Y2 and Z2 too because they'll fit" and then realize what we really wanted was Y only... | 14:04 |
| bluesabre_ | Y2 and Z2 is a linux mint thing | 14:04 |
| bluesabre_ | 3 media player | 14:05 |
| bluesabre_ | >.< | 14:05 |
| knome | hah | 14:05 |
| bluesabre_ | actually, I think they have 4 | 14:05 |
| GridCube | the reasoning after cd size, the strongest one, is, it wont fit on older machines with just a cd-rom reader, and my question is, do we orientate our product to that market? if yes then why we dropped alternate? I dont think we market to older machines anymore, we shouldnt be constricted by their need, if you need a smaller disk, use the mini | 14:05 |
| knome | i was just referring to things that aren't X, Y or Z, but i ran out of letters | 14:05 |
| knome | even when no access to dvd media wasn't a problem, less to download is still less to download... | 14:06 |
| knome | and less to maintain | 14:06 |
| knome | and less to worry about | 14:06 |
| knome | and less to document | 14:06 |
| knome | ...you get the idea | 14:06 |
| GridCube | i do | 14:06 |
| bluesabre_ | but more annoyance (and then download) for users that are missing some core apps they may have previously depended on | 14:07 |
| bluesabre_ | When ubuntu dropped cd size, they didn't add anything, they kept their standard package set. | 14:07 |
| bluesabre_ | the problem is that everything is getting bigger | 14:08 |
| knome | bluesabre_, sure. | 14:08 |
| bluesabre_ | bigger kernel, bigger (more) translations, newer toolkits (not mixing with xfce's older toolkits) | 14:09 |
| bluesabre_ | I wonder if it will be possible to maintain CD size until the next LTS. | 14:10 |
| ochosi | +1 | 14:10 |
| knome | anyway, bbl | 14:10 |
| bluesabre_ | yeah | 14:10 |
| knome | please share thoughts on the ML | 14:10 |
| bluesabre_ | have fun knome! | 14:10 |
| knome | i'll chime in when i get to my desktop | 14:10 |
| GridCube | does openoffice needs java?, its java inculded on the standard iso? | 15:00 |
| GridCube | http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/does-libreoffice-require-java/ | 15:03 |
| GridCube | so, if libreoffice its added to the iso we need to have java for it | 15:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, there are tons of arguments against libreoffice by default | 15:06 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: thanks, do we want to explain why we don't have it anymore? (don't feel like it? :) not working great with 4.10?) | 17:08 |
| * micahg will have to review those threads next week | 17:11 | |
| Unit193 | Dumb thought, but has anyone talked to the release team about using xz for ISO compression? Cuts down quite a bit on the size front. | 19:09 |
| knome | Unit193, could you? | 19:11 |
| Unit193 | Crap. | 19:11 |
| knome | thanks. | 19:11 |
| Unit193 | Awwh, I asked just at the wrong moment here. XZ doesn't permit the images to rsync right now. | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | so, we got a couple responses to our FAQ thread, knome anything to add? I don't actually know the answer to the "open stuff on certain desktop" question, or if the one suggested it what we should recommend | 21:35 |
| knome | pleia2, "how do i get the defaults back" | 21:35 |
| pleia2 | stop adding more questions! | 21:35 |
| pleia2 | :) | 21:35 |
| pleia2 | you can only add it if you have an answer | 21:35 |
| knome | lol | 21:36 |
| knome | pleia2, maybe we can write an article about that then. | 21:41 |
| knome | pleia2, it should cover many things anyway, like the panels, the menu layout, all configuration and probably talk about backuping too | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | what, offering suggestions without volunteering to do any work? | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | :D | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | ok | 21:42 |
| knome | yes. problem? | 21:42 |
| knome | ;) | 21:42 |
| knome | well, i can probably look into the article later this year | 21:42 |
| knome | or next month | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | or in 2013 | 21:42 |
| knome | which ever sounds less procrastinating for you :P | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 21:42 |
| pleia2 | "after the holidays" is a popular one right now | 21:42 |
| knome | that's a bad one. technically, i don't have one.. | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | you have a new year! | 21:43 |
| knome | ..yes, but if clients need, i should be working then! | 21:43 |
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