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stokachutjaalton: when you get a chance would you be able to let me know if you are still in a position to get bug 1012900 uploaded to -proposed so that we can get it started with an SRU?02:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1012900 in sssd (Ubuntu Precise) "Using SSSD, PAM error when exiting su session" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101290002:33
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cyphermoxstokachu: more or less done with adapting the patch, if it builds ;)03:09
israeldahlDoes anyone know what files the ubuntu software center reads to determine the category an app is placed in?  Anyone have any documentation?03:10
sarnoldisraeldahl: check apt-cache show for whatever package you're ciurious about; see if the Task: header matches the software center task03:13
micahgisraeldahl: the .desktop files03:15
israeldahlwell, my problem is an app in the software center doesn't appear in the correct category, and I need to set it to the correct category (there is no Task: header when I ran your command)03:15
israeldahlthe desktop file is in the source code, but it doesn't get installed (or at least not in the /usr/share/applications directory)03:17
micahgisraeldahl: I think it uses the files from app-install-data*03:17
israeldahlapp-install-data... sorry what is that? any docutmentation or explaination is much appreciated03:18
micahgit's a package03:19
israeldahloh sorry...03:21
micahgthere's a doc explaining all this somewhere I think, don't remember where offhand03:22
israeldahlmicahg: Well, it doesn't have a man or help.... I guess I'll search a bit..03:24
israeldahlmicahg: do you have any idea how to use it?  I am not finding anything that explains much about it. thanks for your help03:30
cyphermoxisraeldahl: looking quickly I think you want to update the package itself first, then rebuild app-install-data or something03:33
cyphermoxby the package itself I mean the application which isn't listed in the right category03:34
cyphermoxisraeldahl: perhaps ask mvo when he's around03:35
israeldahlmvo?  Ok.  is app-install-data something that works alongside bzr?  or is it a local thing only... there is no documentation that I have found yet03:36
israeldahlsorry for my strange questions... and thanks for ayour patience with me03:37
stokachucyphermox: awesome man, was the dnsmasq binding code a pain or did it go pretty smoothly?03:54
stokachuanyone around that could take a look at a package in the unapproved queue for lucid? its the portmap one for bug 68855003:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 688550 in portmap (Ubuntu Lucid) "portmap/statd can not be restarted" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68855003:55
stokachuhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=portmap03:55
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stokachustgraber: got a minute to look at the portmap package in the unapproved queue for lucid?04:08
stgraberstokachu: I have a minute, but not being on the SRU team, there's little I can do for you :)04:09
stokachui need it sponsored mainly04:10
stokachuah nm i see it was sponsored04:11
infinitystokachu: Hah.  You emailed me about that just as I accepted it.04:50
infinity@pilot out04:52
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tjaaltonstokachu: yes, I think 1.8.5 has been sitting on the ppa long enough05:14
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pittiGood morning06:10
sarnoldmorning pitti :)06:10
pittihey sarnold06:12
pittioh, whoever processed SRUs, thanks for catching up!06:17
* pitti got a rather large bunch of accepted mails; I already forgot that I did most of those06:17
pittioh, bdmurray apparently06:18
hyperairhmm, apt-cacher-ng apparently has a nervous breakdown from time to time, causing it to continuously establish and reset connections to some servers.06:45
hyperairvery weird06:45
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dholbachgood morning07:59
mlankhorstslangasek: bug bug :P08:00
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infinitytjaalton: 2:2.20.14-0ubuntu1 was meant to fix my sandybridge lockups, right?  I may have just experienced another.  Though, hard to say for sure, I got not apport telling me about it. :/08:15
tjaaltoninfinity: did you try sna? I've been running with uxa (default) since the update, and it hasn't hung here (yet)08:19
infinitytjaalton: Not sure how to try SNA, but also wasn't keen on trading one set of issues for another.08:19
infinitytjaalton: (Plus, if the default doesn't work, we kinda want to know, surely...)08:20
tjaaltoninfinity: yeah but the default will change before too long08:20
tjaaltonso we're close to the point where it'd be nice to know if the new one has or hasn't any regressions08:21
infinitytjaalton: Anyhow, in this case, since I have no apport crash thingee to backup my assertion, it's entirely possible that the freeze was something else.08:21
tjaaltontrue08:21
tjaaltonhow did it hang?08:21
infinitytjaalton: "Nothing on my screen except the cursor updates, and after I VT switch, it's okay again" doesn't mean much without some debugging info.08:21
tjaaltoninfinity: well that could be sna specific anyway08:23
tjaaltoninfinity: and upstream is getting less motivated to fix issues with uxa where sna is known to work :/08:27
infinityhrw: Why did you drop multilib armel/armhf cross support?08:29
infinityhrw: We don't ship armel anymore, but it's still wildly handy to be able to cross-build soft-float stuff (our regular toolchain is still biarch)08:29
hrwinfinity: I did that due to build problems08:36
hrwinfinity: you can always install armel cross toolchain08:36
infinityhrw: Build problems?  Curious.  Our base toolchain builds multilib fine still.08:37
infinityhrw: Or was this for the brief period that I had glibc a bit broken, I wonder?08:37
infinityhrw: Anyhow, what you've done it make the gcc-4.6-cross stuff uninstallable, so either we need to re-multilib gcc-4.7-cross, or unmultilib gcc-4.6-cross, or drop gcc-4.6-cross entirely.08:38
infinitys/done it/done is/08:38
hrwinfinity: let me check then08:39
hrwpdebuild started08:40
hrwARGH...08:52
hrwwhen the hell ARM will get promotion to be first class citizen in Ubuntu...08:53
hrwhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/libc6-dev still lists only x8608:53
hrwto check what is in package on armel/armhf I have to go to launchpad, dig there, fetch packages, check their contents.08:54
hrwops, there is no armel anymore08:55
hrwinfinity: armhf has gnu/stubs.h and gnu/stubs-hard.h, armel has gnu/stubs.h and gnu/stubs-soft.h but multilib compiler expects both at same place for both arches08:59
infinityhrw: Which is why multilib compilers need to depend on libc-dev-alt (ie: libc6-dev-armel if you're on armhf)09:01
infinityhrw: gcc-multilib and g++-multilib do this right.09:01
hrwinfinity: I am tired of this toolchain stuff.09:02
infinityhrw: packages.ubuntu.com isn't run by us, the class of citizens has nothing to do with it. :/09:02
hrwinfinity: it is also not run by Oracle or other non-ubuntu-development company09:03
infinity*blink*09:03
infinityWhat?09:03
hrwpackages.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.94.20309:03
hrw203.94.189.91.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer jubany.canonical.com.09:03
infinityYeah, it's hosted by us.  It's run by a community member and DD.09:04
xnoxstokachu: infinity: slangasek: raid + luks, I had a recipe somewhere I think...09:07
hrwwill mail ubuntu-devel ;)09:07
infinityhrw: ubuntu-devel has nothing to do with it.09:07
infinity"To report a problem with the web site, e-mail rhonda@ubuntu.com."09:07
infinityAnd, by all means, ask him to include all arches.09:08
hrweasier to go to #ubuntu-motu or /query09:09
infinityI just asked him about it on oftc.09:10
hrw;)09:10
infinityhrw: I can look at all this cross stuff tomorrow, if you like.  Or we can just drop or unmultilib 4.6, I'm not picky.09:16
infinityhrw: But it makes more sense (to me) to have one multilib-capable compiler, rather than building two that aren't.  (So, just armhf, but make it do multilib again).  I dunno, though.09:17
hrwinfinity: issue probably exists in arm{el,hf}-cross-toolchain-base package09:17
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xnoxcjwatson: doko_ : is binutils uploading soon to drop the ":any" from gettext? jenkins autopkgtest is sad because of this =)09:52
xnoxhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/09:52
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alexbligh1I get the feeling this is a fantastically stupid question, but all the docs on running a Quantal kernel on Precise point to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport yet the packge list there does not have any kernel packages (just x-org). Which part of my brain needs rearranging?11:06
alexbligh1argg that was meant to be in ubuntu-kernel - sorry11:06
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evAnyone have guesses as to why compiz has a .desktop file? https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/104852411:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1048524 in Apport "Compiz crash inappropriately presented as an application" [Low,Confirmed]11:45
evoh, NoDisplay=true11:47
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seb128ev, because that's need for gnome-session to start it12:18
evseb128: ah, right. Already resolved though - apport needs to pay attention to the NoDisplay field12:18
evthanks!12:18
seb128ev, e.g /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session DefaultProvider-windowmanager=compiz12:18
seb128ev, it will look for a compiz.desktop12:18
seb128ev, ok ;-)12:18
evseb128: while I have you here, any idea why nautilus doesn't ship a desktop file?12:19
seb128ev, /etc/xdg/autostart/nautilus-autostart.desktop ?12:20
seb128ev, /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop12:20
seb128ev, or what do you mean?12:20
evah, was looking in the wrong place there12:20
evbut it sets NoDisplay=true - is that right? Wouldn't we want this to appear in menus?12:21
evin the applications list, that is12:21
seb128ev, which one?12:21
evnautilus12:21
seb128ev, /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop has no NoDisplay12:21
seb128ev, the etc one is the autostart, we do that to make gnome-session-properties' list "clean" by default, e.g not list system services but only user jobs12:22
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evright - for some reason I don't have /usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop12:23
seb128ev, sudo apt-get install --reinstall nautilus12:23
evfixed. Very strange. I wouldn't have removed that myself.12:25
evThanks seb128, and sorry for the noise.12:25
seb128ev, yw!12:25
pittiev: can we tell how many .crash reports we get sent that don't have a SAS? or are these already rejected at the client side?12:25
pittiev: I know what's wrong with these, but there's two different solutions and I'm not entirely sure which one is better12:26
evpitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/daisy/+bug/1085004 - not yet, unfortunately12:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1085004 in Daisy "We should increment counters for each type of corrupted report received" [High,Triaged]12:26
pittiev: ack12:26
evwell, we can count them with a script12:26
evbut that will take a while12:26
evHadoop will fix that12:26
evwe can write a job in Pig Latin that counts the total number of reports and the number without SAS fields12:27
evand it will be much quicker than what we have today12:27
pittiso, I think I'll go with the option that is 100% safe and plausible, and should catch most of those (if not all)12:27
mdeslaurOdyX: I still don't see the VCS tag being removed from cups-files.conf...the regex is looking for "$Id:", but the cups-files.conf file has "$Id$" in it12:28
evokay12:29
evI've updated that bug to note that we should increment the counters by release/apport version so we can track fixes like these12:29
mdeslaurOdyX: we should probably change it to "\$$Id[:\$$]"12:29
OdyXmdeslaur: aww shit12:30
OdyXmdeslaur: I'm working on the 1.5.3 and un-dpkgconffile'ing currently.12:30
OdyXmdeslaur: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf shouldn't be a conffile.12:31
infinitymdeslaur: You missed a lively discussion in #debian-devel about cups's conffile abuses.12:31
OdyXoh you here too :)12:31
mdeslaurhrm? how is it not a conf file...now I regret missing that discussion :)12:31
infinitymdeslaur: It *is* a dpkg conffile, but it really shouldn't be, since cupsd modifies it during runtime, apparently.12:33
infinitymdeslaur: Which is just so many kinds of ewwww.12:34
mdeslaurduring runtime?12:34
infinitySo I'm told.12:34
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infinityIt creates new ones based on cupsd.conf.default12:35
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infinitySo, THAT can be (and is) a conffile, but cupsd.conf shouldn't be,.12:35
jdstrandinfinity: do you ever sleep? :P12:35
xnoxpitti: PyGIDeprecationWarning: Calling io_add_watch with a file object is deprecated; call it with a GLib.IOChannel object12:35
infinityjdstrand: No.12:35
mdeslaurwait a sec, no it doesn't12:35
xnoxpitti: where file, is a socket. Any porting samples?12:35
jdstrand'nuff said12:35
infinitymdeslaur: The web interface mangles cupsd.conf.  (This is all second-hand from OdyX, but I'm not sure why he'd lie...)12:36
mdeslauryes, the admin can use the web interface to change settings in cupsd.conf12:36
bdrungcan the vlc-nox bug (no 81) on https://errors.ubuntu.com/ reassigned against libproxy?12:37
OdyXinfinity, mdeslaur : http://paste.debian.net/213533/ <- that would be the un-conffile'ification. Comments ?12:37
infinitymdeslaur: If they change a value and change it back, will the file end up identical to the original?12:37
OdyXinfinity: just tested, no.12:38
infinityThen yeah, that's not a conffile, it's a config setting cache, at best. :P12:39
infinityOdyX: Hrm, the compare-versions upgrade magic might be problematic if you're doing this to multiple releases.12:39
infinityOdyX: Though, I guess accidentally triggering the move around thing on more than one upgrade doesn't actually hurt anything either.12:41
OdyXinfinity: why ? in that case it would be moved back and forth without problems, no ?12:41
infinityJinx. :)12:41
mdeslaurinfinity: oh, right...I see what you mean12:43
mdeslaurinfinity: although, it doesn't read the cupsd.conf.default file either12:43
infinityOdyX: It also needs an abort-upgrade case in postrm, if I'm nitpicking.12:43
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infinitymdeslaur: No?  Curious.  Then what's it for? :P12:44
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OdyXmdeslaur: I think it does, but I might be wrong.12:44
xnoxpitti: anyway pushed bzr-dbus branch for review.12:44
xnox=)12:44
mdeslaurOdyX: in what circumstance?12:44
infinity        - The web interface now pulls the default cupsd.conf file12:46
infinity          from cupsd.conf.default in the CUPS config directory.12:46
infinity^-- From the changelog.12:46
infinityBut not sure where that happens in the code.12:46
infinitycgi-bin/admin.c:207712:47
infinity(In the raring version, anyway)12:47
dokoxnox, ?12:48
xnoxdoko: do you "maintain" binutils in raring?12:48
infinityHe does, even without quotes.12:48
xnoxdoko: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Raring/view/AutoPkgTest/job/raring-adt-binutils/ARCH=amd64,label=albali/18/artifact/results/log/*view*/12:49
OdyXmdeslaur: pushed some reverts and the cvs thing to master / git.12:49
mdeslauryeah, I'm just looking at that12:49
infinityxnox: Pretty sure Colin already poked him about it.12:49
xnoxdoko: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: gettext:any12:49
xnoxdoko: if you upload that soonish, QA will be happy to see a bulb go green on binutils.12:49
xnoxinfinity: doko: ack =)12:50
infinityIt's not world-ending to wait for his next real upload.12:50
infinityThe thing didn't even have an autopkgtest until 4 days ago, after all. :P12:50
mdeslaurOdyX, infinity: it seems to load it, and not do anything with it...how odd...12:51
infinitymdeslaur: Yeah, cause that's the ONLY odd behaviour cups has.12:51
mdeslaurhehe12:51
OdyX:)12:51
infinityI keep waiting for "printing on Linux" to become a self-solving problem when people just stop buying printers.12:52
mdeslaurinfinity: hehe, good luck with that :)12:53
infinityI think my parents' generation needs to be collectively hit by a rather large number of busses to make that happen.12:53
OdyXinfinity: http://paste.debian.net/213538/ <- that way then ?12:55
mdeslaurOdyX: I'm still waiting for upstream to decide what to do with DefaultAuthType12:56
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OdyXmdeslaur: I'm kinda disappointed by apple's reactiveness in this all affair.12:57
mdeslauryeah, well, they do only have a single developer working on it :P12:58
mdeslaurisn't everyone root on OS X anyway? :)_12:58
infinityOdyX: That looks better.12:59
Sweetshark.oO(I should have stopped coding/debugging yesterday night earlier. when you start calling classes CopKiller its a bad sign ...13:00
infinitySweetshark: I assume this relates to DCOP more than, say, police officers?13:01
pittixnox: ah, I'm actually considering to revert the deprecation for python file-like arguments; it's just easier that way13:01
xnoxpitti: well, I've wrapped it in a IOChannel object, but then the handler function was complaining that the source is no longer a file object & is missing some function.13:02
xnoxpitti: sounds like a good idea.13:02
pittixnox: as for the porting, if you have an fd, the canonical syntax is GLib.IOChannel.unix_new(fd)13:03
pittior GLib.IOChannel.unix_new(f.fileno()) for a python-y file13:03
xnoxpitti: hmm... I did GLib.IOChannel(mysocket.fileno())13:04
xnoxpitti: where mysocket is socket.socket()13:04
Sweetsharkinfinity: neither, I was a test class that implemented a thread that should kill the libreoffice instance from the inside with vengeance. it didnt succeed.13:04
dokoxnox, infinity: does the world survive when I do this next week with another upload? if not, please go ahead and upload13:06
pittixnox: right, that works too; I added overrides for the IOChannel ctor to accept an fd or a file object13:06
xnoxpitti: ack.13:06
Sweetsharkinfinity: so killer was approprioate, but I lacked the creativity to put something sensible infront of it. as it was testcode and that bodycount song crossed my mind, I used that.13:06
xnoxpitti: is it ok to have a hanging red bulb in adt on binutils, or would you prefer for me to upload a trivial fix?13:07
infinitydoko: It's not a big deal to toss it in your next upload, if QA's staring at jenkins results over the weekend and fretting about them, they need to find other things to do. :)13:07
pittixnox: fine to keep the red bulb for a week or so13:11
pittixnox: it will become a blocker for upload once we build autopkgtest results into britney, but we haven't yet13:11
pittixnox, doko: so don't worry about uploading this now; we have more red dots which require real fixes13:12
israeldahlmvo: I was told you might be able to tell me what the software-center looks at to determine a category for an app13:18
pittixnox: responded to https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/bzr-dbus/pygi/+merge/137173, thanks!13:19
henrixinfinity: still around?13:19
xnoxpitti: thank you for review ;-)13:20
infinityhenrix: Maybe.13:20
henrixinfinity: :)13:20
henrixinfinity: i'm seeing something odd:13:20
infinityhenrix: 'sup?13:20
henrix$ rmadison --architecture=source linux-meta | grep precise13:20
henrixlinux-meta | 3.2.0.23.25 |       precise | source13:20
henrixlinux-meta | 3.2.0.33.36 | precise-security | source13:20
henrixlinux-meta | 3.2.0.34.37 | precise-updates | source13:20
henrix-security has a different -meta version13:21
infinityHuh.  Weird.  I didn't get a reject on that.13:21
infinityhenrix: Launchpad claims it's right.  rmadison could be lying.13:21
henrixand there was another pkg with similar prob (/me checks)13:21
henrixlinux-meta-lts-quantal has the same prob13:22
henrixinfinity: ok, so you believe this is something transitory?13:22
infinityhenrix: I'm checking the archive itself.13:22
henrixinfinity: cool, thanks13:23
pittitjaalton: seems you were right, I updated bug 108100913:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1081009 in linux (Ubuntu) "[arrandale] GPU lockup IPEHR: 0x02000022" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108100913:23
pittitjaalton: thanks for the hint!13:23
infinityVersion: 3.2.0.34.3713:23
infinityhenrix: ftpmaster is right.  Let me check security.u.c13:24
infinityhenrix: security.u.c is also right, so rmadison's just lost the plot.13:24
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henrixinfinity: ok13:25
henrixinfinity: i found this issue because the bot was complaining about these 2 packages13:25
israeldahlAnyone know how software-center categorizes apps?  What file does it read to categorize them?13:25
tjaaltonpitti: nice :)13:26
infinityHrm.  madison-list on lillypilly gets it right.  Perhaps the new caching for rmadison is a bit too agressive. :P13:27
infinitys/list/light/13:27
henrixinfinity: ok, so this is something that will eventually get fixed, right?13:27
henrixinfinity: you checked both packages?13:28
infinityhenrix: Both are fine, yeah.13:29
henrixinfinity: cool, thanks!13:29
infinityOh, bah, I'd clear rmadison's cache, but I can't write to it.  Brilliant.13:32
OdyXinfinity: now, another question: if automagically migrating stuff to the new cups-files.conf shouldn't happen, then at least a NEWS.Debian is in order, right ?13:34
pittiev: wow, you're on a bug triaging spree :)13:35
infinityOdyX: A NEWS.Debian might be in order.13:36
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mvoisraeldahl: yeah, please check /usr/share/app-install/desktop/software-center.menu13:38
israeldahlmvo: thank you!  If a program doesn't display in the correct category in software-center what file is it missing?13:40
infinityhenrix: rmadison should be sane again.13:42
mvoisraeldahl: it could be a bug, it could be that menu file there or it could be something in the desktop file of the application - what desktop file is this?13:42
henrixinfinity: it is! cool! thanks13:42
israeldahlwell, the program lmms doesn't install  a desktop file (though the if I bzr branch it I find it present, I also find the menu file as well)  which is another problem as well13:44
israeldahlmvo:not sure how to even fix it13:44
mvoisraeldahl: hm, it looks like the binary package lmms does not contain a desktop, if that file would be present in the package it would show up in software-center13:47
OdyXinfinity: actually, migrating automatically might actually be harmful if one migrates an attack to the new file.13:48
israeldahlmvo: so is it the desktop file that contains the information to tell software center.   Can lmms be patched to contain it, or does it need to be repackaged all together?13:48
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israeldahlmvo: also... a ppa exists with a valid desktop file in the binary which shows in the menus (dash, etc..), should users be able to see that in the software-center, because they report not being able to.13:50
mvoisraeldahl: the software-center scans only he main archive packages (and the data from softwrae-center-agent.ubuntu.com), but not from PPAs13:52
evpitti: :)13:52
mvoisraeldahl: so idally a update for the archive packages should fix it13:53
israeldahlmvo: oh, ok... that makes sense.  So just merging the upstream source should work (Debian doesn't have a current real maintainer for this package)?  So I can just do a bzr merge?13:54
mvoisraeldahl: that sounds like a plan, you can probably bzr merge, I don't know the package in quesion, but there should be bzr branch for ubuntu and debian that you can use13:55
israeldahlmvo: I already have the branch on my computer, and I also already "sent" the newer version to merge in precise.  Is there anyway to check on the status of this?  I  followed this guide  http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/udd-merging.html#merging-a-new-upstream-version13:57
mvoisraeldahl: except for important fixes precise is frozen, its best if you prepare it for the current development version (raring)14:05
israeldahlmvo: Ok!  Can I at least patch it somehow?14:06
mvoisraeldahl: for precise you mean? or for raring?14:06
israeldahlmvo: for precise and quantal14:06
mvoisraeldahl: that is possible but a bit more involving, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates - easiest is probably to just add it to "app-install-data-ubuntu" in both precise and quantal14:07
israeldahlmvo: I have a raring iso raring to go, I will try to merge through that (can I just do that in precise?)14:09
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israeldahlmvo: thanks so much you have definetly helped me!!14:17
seb128doko, infinity, do you have a packaging vcs for eglibc? could you commit https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/eglibc/depends-fix1/+merge/135995 in it so it gets out of the sponsoring queue? ;-)14:29
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mptev, bug 108497914:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1084979 in Apport "Submitting error report asks confounding questions" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108497914:36
stokachuxnox: orly?14:40
xnoxstokachu: ha. got carried away. Yeah, I think I did help somebody to get it working a few months ago.14:43
xnoxstokachu: should look it up again.14:43
stokachuxnox: that would be sweet if there was a way to get it working14:44
xnoxstokachu: so there is no "partman-method/auto cryptoraid"14:48
xnoxstokachu: so one must use expert recipe with stacking.14:48
jdstrandRiddell: hey, could yes give owncloud in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ppa/+packages a quick spin?14:49
stokachui was reading up on expert recipe but wasn't able to figure out how to do the crypto portion14:49
jdstrandRiddell: then comment in bug #1084109 if it works for you. If it does, I'll push it today14:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1084109 in owncloud (Ubuntu Quantal) "quantal security update" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108410914:50
Riddelljdstrand: oh interesting, one of those got rejected I think14:50
Riddellmm, oneiric got rejected, I'll upload that with fixed changelog14:51
jdstrandRiddell: I couldn't really make heads or tails of the quantal package. I ended up up doing the simple merge with what is in Debian unstable14:51
jdstrandRiddell: are you planning updates for precise and oneiric to 4.0.8 too?14:52
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jdstrandRiddell: if so and there isn't anything special for backporting, I can just upload to the security proposed ppa and then you can test those too14:54
Riddelljdstrand: actually those are SRUs and they just empty the package, so different team14:55
jdstrandah, ok14:55
xnoxstokachu: I think it should be possible to use partman-auto-raid to setup two raid devices, then use format method crypto & then allocate the partitions correctly.14:55
Riddellthey can't be backported alas14:55
jdstrandworks for me :)14:55
jdstrandRiddell: icky14:55
xnoxstokachu: I will push a few branches and then work on implementing this.14:55
xnoxstokachu: might take a little bit of time. Anything else I can do for you?14:55
jdstrandRiddell: do you have the bug number for that? I'd like to subscribe so that I can update our CVE tracker when they are accepted14:55
Riddelljdstrand: bug 107915014:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1079150 in owncloud (Ubuntu) "Remove obsolete versions of owncloud " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107915014:56
jdstrandRiddell: thanks14:56
jdstrandthat's really a shame14:57
micahgRiddell: how does owncloud provide packages if it can't be backported?15:03
Riddellmicahg: they include about 20 third party modules as part of the source, but several of them don't have preferred modifiable form (only minified javascript) and several others the packages in quantal are too old and require several other new or updated dependencies to be backported which won't be API compatible15:05
Riddelljdstrand: yep works with the new package ( http://ec2-54-234-63-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com/owncloud/ foo/bar )15:16
jdstrand\o/15:20
jdstrandRiddell: thanks!15:20
jdstrandRiddell: pushed to quantal-security15:23
seb128pitti, can you put https://code.launchpad.net/~stijnbrouwers/ubuntu/quantal/kamoso/fix-missing-icons/+merge/134772 "Work In progress"?15:24
Riddellthnaks jdstrand15:24
pittiseb128: oui, je peux :)15:24
seb128pitti, merci ;-)15:25
seb128Riddell, ScottK: does https://code.launchpad.net/~stijnbrouwers/ubuntu/quantal/kamoso/fix-missing-icons/+merge/134772 seems fine to you? it's basically making an icon change "webcamreceive" -> "digikam"15:27
ScottKseb128: kamoso's currently unbuildable due to KDE graphics library API changes they haven't ported to yet.15:28
ScottKIt should go upstream as we'll need an update from them before we can get a new kamoso in raring.15:28
seb128ScottK, ok, there are 2 sponsoring requests for it in the queue, I asked details/upstreaming on both15:28
ScottKseb128: You can point them at afiestas on #kubuntu-devel if you want.  He's upstream.15:29
seb128ScottK, https://code.launchpad.net/~stijnbrouwers/ubuntu/quantal/kamoso/fix-thumbnails/+merge/135728 ... do you have a wiki page which explain how to report upstream bugs for KDE?15:29
Riddellseb128: http://userbase.kde.org/Asking_Questions#Reporting_KDE_Bugs15:30
seb128ScottK, I will add a comment on the merge request about that, let's see if the contributor finds his way to IRC ;-)15:30
seb128Riddell, thanks15:30
seb128ogra-cb_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmp/+bug/1079831 ... do you know if "arm64" support patches are useful for Ubuntu?15:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1079831 in gmp (Ubuntu) "arm64 support for gmp" [Undecided,New]15:33
seb128or somebody who has a clue about arm flavors ;-)15:34
ScottKinfinity: ^^^15:35
infinityseb128: Yes.15:36
seb128infinity, can you have a quick look if the fix for that bug seems fine to you?15:37
seb128infinity, did you see my eglibc misc:Depends comment earlier btw? ;-)15:37
infinityseb128: I think Colin already sponsored that, unless it's an updated patch.  I'll look.15:37
infinityseb128: And no, I missed the eglibc mention.15:38
seb128infinity, oh, yeah, Colin did, thanks15:38
seb128infinity, it failed to build on arm btw :p https://launchpadlibrarian.net/124371003/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-armhf.gmp_2%3A5.0.5%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz15:38
seb128infinity, doko, infinity, do you have a packaging vcs for eglibc? could you commit https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/eglibc/depends-fix1/+merge/135995 in it so it gets out of the sponsoring queue? ;-)15:39
infinityseb128: Yeah, not because of the patch, though.15:39
infinityseb128: I'll look at the misc:Depends thing and merge it in Debian, if sane.15:39
seb128infinity, thanks!15:39
infinityThe complete lack of explanation on the MP isn't promising...15:39
infinitymisc:Depends usually ends up being shorthand for "debconf", doesn't it?15:41
seb128infinity, the guy has been filling a stack of "add ${misc:Depends}" to Depends15:41
infinityThat would make debconf Essential.  Pretty sure we don't want that.15:41
infinityWell, transitively Essential.15:41
seb128infinity, not only, dh_gconf adds gconf to ${misc:Depends} for packages that ship a schemas for example15:41
infinityseb128: Sure, but for libc6, I don't think I'd get gconf. :)15:42
seb128infinity, feel free to reject it ;-) I don't think the guy knows much of what it's doing, he has been adding misc:Depends to random packages, he probably thinks that any not having it needs to be "fixed"15:42
LaneyWell, you'd get debconf if you use debconf.15:43
LaneyBut I get being wary about automagic depends on a package like eglibc. :P15:43
infinityLaney: I do, but it's also guarded specifically so libc doesn't NEED it.15:43
infinityMethinks I'll just reject this.15:43
seb128works for me ;-)15:44
LaneyIt's a 'new contributor' initiative15:44
LaneyHere's a list of packages with this lintian tag. Go fix them.15:44
seb128Laney, not sure those initiatives are useful...15:44
seb128Laney, that typically create work more than it's useful15:44
ScottKdholbach: ^^^15:45
LaneyIt'd be better if the list was curated to packages that it might benefit15:45
dholbachScottK, well I asked for help with filling in the right lintian tags15:45
ScottKdholbach: Just making sure you're aware of the discussion.15:46
LaneyAnd the contributor won't get very much after the first one or two trivial fixes when they know how the tools and sponsoring process works15:46
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infinityHrm.  Do I need to delete the MP to get it off the sponsors radar, or is a "disapprove" review enough?15:46
dholbachinfinity, it needs to be rejected15:46
micahgWork In Progress...15:46
infinitydholbach: I don't see a reject option.15:46
dholbach(MP status, not MP  comment status)15:46
LaneyI think WIP works15:46
dholbachat the top15:46
dholbachor WIP, yes15:47
infinityYeah, I have WIP, Needs Review, or Merged.15:47
infinityBut none of those is true.15:47
infinityWeird that I can't reject...15:47
seb128yeah, dunno what's up with that, it's annoying15:47
LaneyJust one weird thing about UDD15:47
dholbachinfinity, only TB people can15:47
infinitystgraber: Want to reject https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/raring/eglibc/depends-fix1/+merge/135995 for me? :P15:47
dholbachso I'm happy to disable the lintian tag bits in Harvest15:48
LaneyPerhaps restrict it to universe packages or something15:48
dholbachbut it'd be shame if I did and then nobody replied in the ubuntu-devel@ discussion with some feedback15:48
stgraberinfinity: there you go15:48
infinityTo be fair, if lintian is bitching about that for eglibc, I should add an override.15:48
* infinity runs lintian on his source...15:49
xnoxinfinity: most of the time it's empty expansion, but lintian bitches about it because it is valid for dh_* commands to add substitues in misc:Depends.15:49
infinityI don't see a lintian warning for that.15:49
micahgright, lintian warnings don't always mean add this here15:49
xnoxinfinity: and if your package breaks with knew dh, it would be maintainers fault for not having misc.15:49
infinity(base)adconrad@cthulhu:~/build/eglibc/ubuntu$ lintian eglibc_2.16-0ubuntu8.dsc15:49
infinityW: eglibc source: unknown-field-in-dsc testsuite15:50
infinity^-- My only warning.15:50
xnoxinfinity: lintian -i -I -E --pedantic -v *.dsc15:50
ScottKxnox: You know you can do -iIEv, right?15:50
infinityOh, debhelper-but-no-misc-depends is only an I?15:51
xnoxScottK: no short option for pedantic & I have bundling flags like that.15:51
infinityI so don't care about that.15:51
ScottKYes, that's why I didn't include pedantic15:51
infinitypitti: lintian doesn't love your testsuite header in .dsc, BTW.15:53
* infinity waits for the contributors sending patches to remove autopkgtest headers.15:53
pittihah15:53
pittiyeah, I noticed :(15:54
pittiwell, rm -r debian/ will remove all lintian warnings :)15:54
infinityTempting.15:54
xnoxpitti: so bzr-dbus passes in release, but fails in proposed.15:55
xnoxpitti:     GLib.io_add_watch(self.sock, GLib.PRIORITY_HIGH, GLib.IO_IN, self.handle_network_packet)15:55
xnoxTypeError: third argument not callable15:55
xnoxwhile it's fine in raring-release.15:55
xnoxis my code wrong?15:56
pittiurgh; the -proposed pygobject only fixes two things in the test suite15:56
xnoxpitti: hmm...15:56
pittiwell, is it callable?15:56
xnoxpitti: let me doublecheck my chroot first.15:56
pittioh, _third_15:56
pittithat's GLib.IO_IN15:56
pittiI really have no idea how it could pass in -release15:57
xnoxpitti: well -release is actually my machine which can be out-of-date.15:57
pittiso, I guess there's some bug in the io_add_watch override15:58
pittithis has to jump through some incredibly hackish hacks to support the old API15:58
pitti(which is why it's throwing so many deprecation errors, so that we can eventually get rid of it)15:58
xnoxpitti: yeap, my local machine is out-of-date.16:01
xnoxpitti: red herring with -proposed, test suite passes locally but not inside sbuild.16:13
xnoxI will check what's going on in bzr-dbus.16:13
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seb128xnox, are you maintaining lvm2 in ubuntu? ;-)16:24
xnoxseb128: sponsorship items, eh?16:25
seb128xnox, yeah... there are some which are the > 3 weeks waiting part of the queue16:25
xnoxseb128: I will review & test them, I'm booking some time for that next week.16:25
xnox=/ it's non-trivial to test.16:26
seb128xnox, thanks16:26
LaneyAny chance of a cheeky little rescore of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/1.0.3-1ubuntu1/+build/4022148 ?16:26
seb128xnox, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lvm2/+bug/1076304 is "should use the upstream manpage rather than the debian dir one"16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076304 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "dmeventd should use upstream manpage" [Undecided,In progress]16:26
LaneyI think the lack of this build is keeping -good from migrating16:26
seb128xnox, that's likely not that hard to test ;-)16:27
xnoxack16:27
seb128xnox, I just don't know if have a specific manpage because we tweak over upstream and we need tweaked documentation...16:27
seb128xnox, thanks16:27
dokoinfinity, arm odyssee continues ... llvm-3.216:27
dokoIn file included from /build/buildd/llvm-3.2-3.2~rc1/lib/CodeGen/RegAllocPBQP.cpp:48:0:16:27
doko /build/buildd/llvm-3.2-3.2~rc1/include/llvm/CodeGen/PBQP/HeuristicSolver.h:61:5: error: stray '\37' in program16:27
dokogiving back16:27
infinityI put that \37 there on purpose.16:27
infinityLLVM just doesn't know how to say "thank you".16:28
dokowill give it back until it finds \42 and then declare the issue solved16:32
pittixnox: ah, thanks (was in meeting, sorry)16:32
infinitydoko: *grin*16:33
infinityLaney: Done.16:34
Laneymerci16:34
pittije veux que Laney sait la language officielle d'équipe de bureau :)16:35
pittierr, "je vois"16:35
infinityLaney: update_output.txt implies there may also be an issue with "lives".16:35
tjaaltonis there some recent change to build tools that can cause ftbfs?16:35
infinitypitti: "langue".16:35
infinitytjaalton: That's wildly vague.16:36
infinitytjaalton: So, I'll respond with "maybe".16:36
pittiinfinity: oh, merci; mon français est encore très mal..16:36
tjaaltoninfinity: ok let me be less vague, a sec16:36
Laneyinfinity: I see that with some 0.10 stuff (this is 1.0). Will see what it looks like after we get that build.16:36
seb128pitti, tu peux mettre https://code.launchpad.net/~hloeung/ubuntu/precise/rsyslog/fix-ownership-workdir/+merge/133385 en "merged" stp? merci!16:36
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pittiseb128: oui, fini16:37
seb128pitti, merci16:37
infinityLaney: Oh, 1.0 looks much worse.16:38
Laney:-)16:38
tjaaltoninfinity: sssd built fine on 15th, fails today, same upstream version. but now I wonder if the bump to compat level (8->9) could've caused it16:38
tjaaltonI'll check the build log once more16:39
dokopitti: is this bavarais, or saxonglais? ;p16:39
pittidoko: c'est franglemand!16:40
infinitytjaalton: I'm not sure how a debhelper compat level would change the fact that it appears to need -pthread in CFLAGS.16:40
pittidoko: I use an English web site to learn French, and make German errors16:41
tjaaltoninfinity: right, wonder why it didn't before16:42
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infinitytjaalton: It also seems to have misplaced --libdir in the merge, no idea if that's a bad thing.16:43
tjaaltonah, crap16:43
tjaaltonmaybe I need a raring chroot now :P16:43
seb128pitti, https://code.launchpad.net/~charno/ubuntu/quantal/kdepim/fix-for-1075130/+merge/132930 -> work in progress please16:44
infinitytjaalton: Let me test here quick-like.16:44
pittiseb128: techboard-privileges-bot at your service, sir16:45
seb128pitti, danke16:45
tjaaltoninfinity: actually I thought compat 9 should set that automatically?16:45
tjaaltonthe old entry had old cdbs cruft on it16:45
infinitytjaalton: Oh, so it claims.16:47
seb128pitti, you should ask for a fee for those requests :p16:47
* seb128 would be in trouble16:47
tjaaltonmk-sbuilding raring chroot..16:47
pittiseb128: nah, cleaning up the sponsoring queue is great16:48
pittiseb128: mais, tu peux me offrir une bière si tu veux :)16:48
seb128pitti, la prochaine fois qu'on se voit, avec plaisir !16:49
seb128ScottK, do you have a VCS for kdevelop-custom-buildsystem ? can you get https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu/raring/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem/description-typo-fixes/+merge/132382 merged ?16:49
seb128Riddell, ^16:49
seb128not sure if it can be uploaded or if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem/+bug/1051234 is still valid16:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1051234 in kdevelop-custom-buildsystem (Ubuntu) "kdevelop-custom-buildsystem: FTBFS and not installable" [Undecided,New]16:49
dholbach^ Quintasan wanted to do it16:50
dholbachit was a UDS demo16:50
QuintasanWasn't it like, merged?16:50
* Quintasan merges16:50
dholbachfantastico16:50
seb128dholbach, get your UDS demos out of my queue :p16:52
dholbachoh it's your queue now16:52
seb128dholbach, I'm in the seat16:53
seb128dholbach, but I'm handing it back soon don't worry ;-)16:53
tjaaltoninfinity: fails the same even with --libdir set16:54
infinitytjaalton: Yeah, and also with compat level reduced.16:55
infinitytjaalton: I'd have to look at old build logs, but I suspect -lpthread was being pulled in as a transative linkage before.16:56
tjaaltonI'll try building the old one16:57
infinitytjaalton: Yeah, in the old log, there's an extra -lpthread -ldl on the tail end.16:59
tjaaltonok, well that version failed to build now too17:00
infinityI'd blame a build-dep.  Like maybe nspr or something.17:01
infinityBut either way, if sssd is directly referencing pthreads (and it is), it should link it, not count on a transitive dep.17:01
tjaaltonok thanks17:01
tjaaltonI'll dig deeper.. libnspr & libnss did get updated in the meantime, by me :)17:02
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infinity(The only reason I'm guessing nspr is because, in the old build log, "-lpthread -ldl" were immediately after "-lnspr4", so they may have been a package deal from a pkg-config --libs call or something)17:03
infinitySo, you may well have two bugs on your hands here.  It's possible one of the rdeps doesn't properly advertise all the things it needs to link but, on the other hand, src/sss_client/common.c is directly calling into pthreads, so it should link it regardless.17:04
infinitytjaalton: And it could also be that an rdep was *incorrectly* advertising -lpthread as being needed, and sssd just happened to get lucky and not have to link it itself, when it really should have. :P17:06
tjaaltoninfinity: heh, right. maybe I'll just be lazy and bug upstream. friday evening and all17:08
tjaaltonseems to build on sid though..17:08
infinitytjaalton: Should be easy to sort out where the -lpthread is coming from on sid, then.17:10
seb128Quintasan, did you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu/raring/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem/description-typo-fixes/+merge/132382 ? where did you merge it ? (the request didn't change status)17:10
tjaaltoninfinity: yeah17:10
Quintasanseb128: not yet, is it urgent?17:10
infinitytjaalton: Assuming it uses pkg-config for its dirty work, rgrep is your friend.17:10
infinitytjaalton: Also comparing the configure output with a fine-toothed diff.17:10
seb128Quintasan, not at all, I misread your comment before, I though you merged it already ... that happens often that the target branch info is wrong which leads to stuff not keeping marked merged when they should17:11
seb128Quintasan, so I was checking if that was the case there17:11
infinitytjaalton: (Either way, I'm still not convinced it's a "bug" in an rdep, but rather a bug in sssd that may have been tickled by an rdep no longer being buggy)17:11
Quintasanseb128: oh you don't want me to merge that into lp:ubuntu/kdevelop-custom-buildsystem?17:11
infinitytjaalton: If an rdep was previously over-linked, that would lead to this.17:12
* Quintasan looks if we have a packaging branch for that or it needs a new upload17:12
Quintasanah, I see17:12
Quintasanno point in merging that there17:12
seb128Quintasan, I've no opinion on where it should be maintained or no clue where is your packaging vcs ;-)17:12
tjaaltoninfinity: yup17:13
stokachustgraber: ping17:15
stgraberstokachu: pong17:21
stokachustgraber: there is a patch in sudo 1.8.6 in raring that addressing buildign with sssd17:22
stokachustgraber: im attempting to backport sudo into precise and sudo is failing because its looking for libsss_sudo.so.1 and only libsss_sudo.so.0 exists17:23
stokachuwill sssd need to be backported as well?17:23
stokachusudo's support for sssd didnt land until 1.8.6 unfortunately17:24
Quintasanseb128: no packaging branch at all for this, is it okay if I just apply the diff and upload to raring?17:25
seb128Quintasan, yes ;-)17:25
Quintasandholbach: Thanks for the fix17:26
stokachustgraber: looks like sssd in raring defines libsss_sudo.so.1 so im thinking we'd need to backport sssd into precise as well17:27
stokachuthough im not particularly sure what type of effect it would have in the grand scheme of things17:29
infinitystokachu: It's hardcoded to the .1 SOVER in debian/patches/fix_sssd_build.patch17:30
infinitystokachu: You might try twiddling that.17:30
dholbachQuintasan, dobrze17:30
stgraberstokachu: if you need sssd support in sudo, then you'll likely need to backport sssd too yes17:31
stgraberstokachu: if you just need the new sudo but not the sssd support, just drop the --with-sssd from debian/rules17:31
stokachui need sudo/sssd because of the ldap caching capabilities17:31
stokachuand sssd 1.9 this is not labeled as experimental anymore17:31
stokachuinfinity: i thought about that until i saw the experimental text in the manpage :X17:32
stgraberok, then yes, you'll need to backport sssd...17:32
infinitystgraber: See above.  Could it just be that the hardcoded SONAME (why is that hardcoded?) is causing him issues?17:32
stokachuyea it is the hardcoded portion of that patch that causes issues17:33
stokachubut i think the bigger problem would be its experimental support in sssd 1.817:33
stokachuas far as making backport requests go is it the same process when you need backport a in order for backport b to work as intended?17:34
micahgstokachu: there's a bug ATM where we can't build-depend on other backports due to the old sbui17:34
micahg*sbuild17:34
stokachumicahg: ah ok, so in this particular case would I just make a note of the build-depends in the case?17:35
micahgstokachu: this is in archive only BTW17:35
stgraberstokachu: IIRC sudo doesn't actually build-depend on sssd, it's only a run time optional dependency (as in, if the library is there, it'll use it)17:35
infinityIt's not actually *linking* to sssd anyway, is it?  Just dlopen()ing?  (at least, that's my assumption from the hardcoded path)17:35
stgraberinfinity: right, it's just a dlopen17:36
stokachuah yea17:36
infinityYeah, so not a build-dep issue.17:36
micahgah, ok, so, yeah, we can backport both then17:36
stokachucool so i can file them separately17:36
stokachuawesome! thanks guys ill get started on that17:36
stgraberwe were supposed to get a proper .so in the non-dev package in raring, but that didn't happen yet, that was probably done in 1.9 though17:36
* micahg just realized he can work around the sbuild backport issues with a native PPA...needs further thought17:36
infinitymicahg: Or someone needs to bug me when I'm not heading to bed, and I can just fix it the way we discussed.17:37
infinity(turn off NotAutomatic in the chroots)17:37
infinityWhich isn't perfect, but it's better than now.17:37
micahginfinity: oh, that's what we discussed?  I don't think that's the right thing to do...17:37
infinityYes, the "right" thing to do is the crazy "only pull in new build-deps when necessary" thing that the aptitude resolver does, but that's a lot more work for very little gain.17:38
stgraberturning off NotAutomatic in the chroots but only when building in the backports pocket right?17:38
stgraberwe surely don't want to end up building using backports for the proposed pocket :)17:38
infinitystgraber: Eh?17:38
infinitystgraber: backports isn't in sources.list when building for proposed.17:39
micahgright, that would be very wronf17:39
micahg*wrong17:39
stgraberinfinity: ok, all good then :) I sometimes forget how different sbuild chroots are from a standard system ;)17:39
micahginfinity: I'm thinking the PPA solution might be better for the few times that we need this rather than hacking notautomatic...17:40
ScottKIt's fixing a missing bit of the not-automatic implementation17:41
micahginfinity: but I'd say it's ScottK's call on which solution he'd prefer17:41
* ScottK wants it fixed and leaves the details to the person doing the work.17:41
infinitymicahg: I'm not sure how a PPA solves it.  Unless you mean because you can backport in sets, and then copy them all at once.17:45
infinitymicahg: But that doesn't help you if you have a new upload that depends on something previously-backported.17:45
infinitymicahg: Unless you do something icky like copy it from backports to the PPA, just to use it as a build-dep, I guess.17:46
micahginfinity: sure it does, it's called copy-package :)17:46
infinity*shrug*17:46
infinityThat would work.17:46
infinityFeels a bit messy, but if you really want the isolation, that solves it.17:46
micahgtoo bad I didn't think of it until now...17:46
micahgbut that leaves me as the only person that can do it since I'm the only backporter that can get a native PPA ATM AIUI17:47
stokachuugh.. build score 2505... start in 7 hours...17:47
micahginfinity: I guess I'll start a thread on the backporters list and see if anyone else cares one way or the other17:48
micahgwait, I'm not the only one, Laney can also :)17:48
seb128stgraber, hey, could you set https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gui-ufw/lp1071915/+merge/131696 to work in progress?17:52
ScottKmicahg: I think it's fundamentally wrong to have stuff in backports that can't be built in backports.17:52
micahgScottK: it can be built with the backports pocket, just not in LP17:53
ScottKThat's what I meant17:53
micahgit's a broken sbuild that's the problem, not the sources available17:53
ScottKI get that.17:53
seb128stgraber, sorry, rather merged ... it seems it got uploaded17:53
infinitymicahg: Well, but it means someone can't rev the source and reupload it without going through a copy-package/PPA dance.17:53
micahginfinity: truee17:54
micahginfinity: you can say the same for uploads to -security though...17:54
infinitymicahg: Also, "broken sbuild" is stating things wrong, IMO.  NotAutomatic is broken by design. :P17:54
micahginfinity: no, with a new sbuild, you get the versioned dependencies17:54
* ScottK prefers "incomplete implementation of NotAutomatic"17:54
stgraberseb128: done17:55
infinitymicahg: Not true, -security uploads can build against the release pocket + security just fine.17:55
ScottKmicahg: Failure to have a new feature isn't really 'broken'.17:55
micahginfinity: yes, but you have to do a PPA dance17:55
infinitymicahg: POtentially, in theory.  I've never seen a security upload that won't build in proposed.  Have you?17:55
infinity(We frequently rev security uploads for SRUs...)17:56
micahginfinity: that's fine, but you can't just rev and upload to security which is a parallel to the backports case17:56
seb128stgraber, thanks17:56
ScottKBuilding powerpc build of libunity-webapps 2.4.3daily12.11.30.1-0ubuntu1 in ubuntu raring RELEASE [ubuntu-unity/daily-build]17:56
ScottKI thought those were all supposed to go away?17:56
ScottKinfinity: ^^^?17:56
infinityScottK: No, welcome to the new world order.  They replaced commit-level autobuilds with daily autobuilds.  I've nearly worn my fingers off arguing about it this week, so I'll refrain from reiterating.17:57
micahgScottK: AIUI, it's staged there and then auto-copied once it passes the tests17:57
ScottKSigh.17:57
ScottKSure, because there are tons of buildd's lying around.17:58
ScottKBTW, KDE upstream people want us to do KDE daily updates after upstream feature freeze.17:58
infinityEven if there were, my arguments are mostly technical, not resource usage, but I've given up for now.17:58
micahgScottK: as I said, it's your call about the backports solution, but I don't see it being any different than security uploads (working around an LP limitation, which by security was self imposed...)17:58
infinitymicahg: The only LP limitation for security was needing an embargo path.17:59
infinitymicahg: LP totally knows how to build for security just fine.17:59
ScottKmicahg: If you want to do that as a work-around until it's fixed, I won't object, but then you, personally, are on the hook for fixing whatever happens after.17:59
* ScottK liked turn of NotAutomatic for backports builds.18:00
infinitymicahg: In fact, an upload to -security directly (or a stale build in security that's retried) works just right.18:00
ScottKIt seems like a simple enough solution, at least conceptually.18:00
micahginfinity: no, not unless the blocker that auto-failed security pocket builds was removed18:00
infinityAuto-failed?  Or auto-rejected?18:00
micahgauto failed IIRC18:01
infinityThe *builds* should work perfectly fine.18:01
infinityThey have since day 1.18:01
micahgyes, it was hard coded18:01
LaneyI have no native PPA18:01
Laneyone which builds arm, sure, but no nonvirt one18:01
micahgLaney: I'm saying you and I could get one if we wanted to...18:01
infinityLaney: It would have to be a new PPA, ~canonical-backporters/ppa or some such.18:01
mlankhorsthow can you tell the difference? :P18:01
Laneyyeah we could18:02
micahgLaney: which solution do you prefer?18:02
LaneyIs the lp-buildd fix not likely to happen any time soon?18:02
infinityLaney: The fix I'd proposed is distasteful to micahg.18:02
Laneyignoring NotAutomatic?18:02
Laneyyou know what, let me read the scrollback.18:03
infinityLaney: And the supposedly "correct" fix isn't a fix, it's an overhaul.18:03
infinityLaney: Yeah, ignoring NotAutomatic was my proposal, it makes micahg break out in hives. :P18:03
micahgnot quite that opposed...18:03
infinityI'm actually not convinced that trying to keep them all compartmentalized is the right answer either.18:04
micahgit just forces people to get more of backports...18:04
micahgwell, possibly18:04
LaneyI think it's preferable to having to do any weird hacks or not having this work at all18:04
infinityOccasionally, sure, it might pull in some extra backported libraries.18:05
ScottKIf people are installing stuff from backports, I think pulling in a few extra libs is fine.18:05
ScottKWe test rdepends anyway, so it should be ~OK.18:05
LaneyI'm somewhat philosophically opposed to introducing C-only solutions where possible18:05
Laneythe non-ideal-but-quite-simple fix is better than that IMHO18:06
infinityLaney: Would C++ be acceptable?18:06
micahgGHC must be better18:06
ScottKOnly if built in the right order.18:06
LaneyNow that's another problem that Soyuz could solve ;-)18:07
infinityRight, I'm going to bed.18:07
Laney(by getting an analog of BD-uninstallable)18:07
infinityArgue amongst yourselves.18:07
LaneyScottK and I have outvoted micahg :P18:07
infinityAnd designate someone as the dude who tells me if I'm fixing the chroots or not, and for which releases.18:07
infinityAnd don't tell me now, even if you've decided.18:07
infinitySee above, re: bed.18:07
LaneyI know how you are about going to bed.18:07
Laney(just keep him talking)18:08
infinity*glare*18:08
ScottKinfinity: You're always 'about to go to bed', but then you don't.18:08
infinityI hate you both so much right now.18:08
infinitySO MUCH.18:08
ScottKSee my last remarks.18:08
infinityAlso, good "night".  See you guys later. :)18:08
micahginfinity: pleasant dreams18:09
* micahg is used to being outvoted...18:09
* Laney chuckles18:10
Laneyglad that -bad build made the plugins migrate18:17
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SpamapSslangasek: hey, I'm thinking of fixing the smbd/nmbd/winbind upstart jobs to start on runlevel 2 instead of local-filesystems + net-device-up18:27
SpamapSslangasek: thoughts?18:27
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slangasekSpamapS: they're that way deliberately because they're a filesystem server and some crazy person might have their /home loop-mounted over smb18:59
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slangasekbryce, mlankhorst: llvm-3.1 accepted19:08
slangasekQuix0te: please quit tilting at ircmills19:11
sarnoldslangasek: hahaha19:11
highvoltagewhat the heck is he doing?19:14
highvoltagethanks :)19:14
keesaaah19:14
* Laney feels sad that he had whatever was going on /ignored19:14
keeshow is the ban not working?19:15
highvoltageI usually do a /kickban and then the right expression is usually taken care of19:16
keesI wonder if the host vs mask was a problem19:17
keeslet's see if that works19:17
keesyeah, that seemed to do it.19:19
sarnoldthanks kees19:20
keessure, np19:20
ScottKLaney: One of the nice things about quassel is I can filter out stuff, but it's still in the database, so if I want to turn the filter off, I can can the history is still there (so I could see what was up in this case - I had it filtered as well).19:22
Laneyah, that would be nice in some limited situations19:23
ScottKyes.  It's definitely rare it comes up.19:24
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mlankhorstslangasek: x11proto-* accepted?19:45
slangasekmlankhorst: not yet; do you want llvm-3.1 built/accepted first?19:45
slangasek(binaries)19:45
mlankhorstx11proto and llvm can be in any order you want19:46
mlankhorstppa10 seemed to have built succesfully, so I'll need a precise1 sponsored :)19:46
mlankhorstlet me upload the entire crap somewhere for sponsoring.. sec19:48
slangasekmlankhorst: best to have bryceh sponsor so that I can do the subsequent SRU review.  Though, you should be able to upload these too provided they're in the X package set?19:53
mlankhorstlet me check..19:54
brycehwhat are the packages?19:55
mlankhorstbryceh: .*-lts-quantal19:55
mlankhorstI'll try uploading myself19:55
brycehmlankhorst, right.  I'm happy to package them.  IIRC you put in a request to add them to the X package list?  know if that's been done?19:56
bryceher, s/package/upload/19:56
mlankhorstI think it's done, but those packages don't exist in precise so no idea if it will work or not..19:56
brycehmlankhorst, one way to find out ;-)19:56
brycehmlankhorst, give it a shot; if you get a reject back lemme know19:57
mlankhorstyeah I'm just finishing up now19:57
mlankhorstwoops needs precise-proposed19:58
brycehmlankhorst, if it doesn't work, we'll need to get that fixed.19:58
mlankhorstall of it should have been added at least..19:59
mlankhorstok xorg worked, rest.. not sure yet20:01
mlankhorstuploaded libxrandr, wayland and libdrm renamed, those are for the first round20:01
mlankhorstsuppose xorg could be done too20:02
mlankhorstbryceh: ok no idea if it worked, didn't seemed to be rejected during the upload itself, but have no confirmation yet20:04
mlankhorstRejected:20:05
mlankhorstThe signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.20:05
mlankhorsthm seems libxrandr-lts-quantal didn't work..20:05
mlankhorstother ones got accepted though20:05
brycehI do see xorg-lts-quantal at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue20:06
brycehwayland and libdrm got in too.  What did you get rejection on?20:06
mlankhorstlibxrandr-lts-quantal20:06
brycehok cool, so sounds like the X package list got updated but some packages were missed?20:07
mlankhorstyeah20:07
mlankhorstI'll try the rest in build order20:07
mlankhorstmesa, xorg-server, then all ddx's20:08
brycehmlankhorst, ok, send an email to get that added to the list.  If you don't hear back soonish I can take care of uploading that one if you want.20:08
mlankhorstbryceh: I'll let you sponsor all the rejects20:08
brycehwee20:09
mlankhorstnow all the ddx's..20:10
mlankhorstbryceh: http://people.canonical.com/~mlankhorst/ libxrandr-lts-quantal stuff20:13
slangasekmlankhorst, bryceh: x11proto-gl changes existing struct definitions; convince me that this is safe and won't cause regressions elsewhere in the stack if, say, we need to do a security release of another package that build-deps on it in precise?20:15
mlankhorstslangasek: I did in fact test it, and it worked fine with old libxrandr, xserver, mesa..20:17
mlankhorstbut hold on let me check what exactly you mean..20:17
mlankhorstbryceh: x11-xserver-utils-lts-quantal seemed to have been rejected too, can you sponsor that too?20:18
brycehyep20:18
brycehmlankhorst, ok both uploaded20:23
mlankhorstthanks20:23
brycehmlankhorst, any other rejects so far?20:23
mlankhorstnah rest got in20:23
brycehawesome20:23
mlankhorstslangasek: enjoy :P20:24
brycehmlankhorst, wonder if we could omit the ~precise1 on this stuff, since this is regular archive not ppa.20:24
mlankhorstslangasek: I would accept the xorg-lts-quantal package last20:24
mlankhorstbryceh: I thought about that, but I'm not sure it's perfect yet..20:24
brycehmlankhorst, yep, easy enough to fix later20:25
mlankhorstmostly in case I mess up the renaming or something20:25
ScottKbryceh: For SRU, there's no required naming convention. A lot of people use the security naming convention.20:25
brycehScottK, yeah just thinking the shorter the version number the less scary these already longly named packages will be for folks.  but no biggie.20:26
ScottKSo you use a 0.1 instead of a ~precise1.20:26
mlankhorstScottK: maybe, but I need to append the same version to 43 packages on each rebuild, so I added this instead..20:27
ScottKRight.  Either is fine.20:27
mlankhorstplus the quantal versions could use those in their version numbers on fixes too..20:27
brycehlunchtime.  bbiab20:27
ScottKmlankhorst: That's why you use 0.1 instead of 1 to make sure you don't collide.20:28
ScottKIf you're two releases down you go 0.0.1.20:28
mlankhorstI painted this bikeshed, back off ;)20:28
ScottKI could go on about backports revisions, but I won't ...20:29
mlankhorstty!20:29
highvoltagemlankhorst: hey ScottK knows what he's talking about when it comes to version numbers!20:31
mlankhorstbut but, my bikeshed :-(20:31
* mlankhor1t slaps mlankhorst around a bit with a large trout20:34
cyphermoxstokachu: sorry it took so long; but I'm testing the package for SRU locally now, then I'll be ready to upload it the the  precise  queue20:36
psusiin bug #1079791 Ted Ts'o mentions that e2fsprogs 1.42.x is a stable series with only critical bugfixes backported and recommends that precise track it.  Should e2fsprogs maybe get a SRU exception and what would the proceedure be for that?20:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1079791 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu) "chattr does not understand nodatacow / COW_No option "+C"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107979120:55
stokachucyphermox: cool man thanks for all your work20:59
stokachuinfinity: ive got test results back for the eglibc bug and it is verified the issue is resolved21:00
stokachuinfinity: this was in reference to bug 106819921:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1068199 in eglibc (Ubuntu Lucid) "please add support for MAP_HUGETLB in eglibc for Lucid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106819921:07
arosen I was wondering if anyone know off hand if ubuntu opensources the spec files that they use to create packages? And if so where I could find them?21:39
ScottKarosen: Are you one an Ubuntu system?21:40
ScottKIf so, apt-get source ${PACKAGENAME} and look in the debian directory in the retrieved source package.21:41
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Chipzzarosen: ubuntu doesn't use spec files; spec files are for RPM based systems21:59
Chipzzarosen: ubuntu uses a debian dir inside the source package, with debian/rules and debian/control as primary files22:00
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cjwatsoninfinity: I tried removing the archiveuploader restriction that prevents direct uploads to -security, and wgrant pointed out that it wouldn't work because of restrictions elsewhere (in LP, not on the buildd side).  Bug 1026665.23:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1026665 in Launchpad itself "Not possible to upload directly to -security" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102666523:02
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wgrantcjwatson, infinity: It's quite easy to remove those restirctions, we just need to track down and kill all of them23:18
wgrantI know of two, maybe three23:18
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