[15:55] <hannie> hi CarstenG and all
[15:55] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[15:56] <hannie> No more things for me to change in nl.po? :)
[15:57] <CarstenG> Well, if you think it is ok, then we should publish it. :-)
[15:57] <CarstenG> I just make it with rev 137
[15:57] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/137 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 137
[15:58] <hannie> yes, that is my last upload
[16:00] <CarstenG> I have a quick view to the index
[16:00] <CarstenG> apparaten aankoppelen, 110
[16:00] <CarstenG> apparaten ontkoppelen, 110
[16:00] <CarstenG> sound similar
[16:00] <hannie> They are 2 different things, mount and unmount
[16:01] <CarstenG> ok
[16:02] <hannie> I always appreciate it when you help me find errors I overlooked
[16:03] <CarstenG> That's team work. :-)
[16:04] <CarstenG> Some days ago in the German team the translation progress starts again for precise.
[16:04] <hannie> Ah, I intended to contact Daniel Schury
[16:05] <hannie> and other teams that have partially translated precise-e2
[16:05] <CarstenG> So in the next weeks there will be hopefully some progress
[16:05] <CarstenG> Yes, Daniel is the leading force there
[16:05] <CarstenG> he made a wiki page for the status
[16:05] <CarstenG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/UbuntuManual
[16:07] <hannie> I have made an overview of translation status of many languages. I will send it to the list shortly
[16:07] <hannie> Example: Malaysian 100% translated!!!!
[16:07] <hannie> We should do something about that
[16:11] <CarstenG> Yes, I noticed this to.
[16:12] <CarstenG> I did not yet found time to make a PDF from that.
[16:12] <hannie> CarstenG, I am going to write teams asking them if they need our help
[16:12] <CarstenG> We should contact the malay team for making screenshots now
[16:13] <CarstenG> Yes, that is good
[16:13] <hannie> CarstenG, ok. What do you think of the following suggestion:
[16:15] <hannie> I will make a draft, send it to you and you can add text to it
[16:15] <hannie> Kevin is a bit busy at the moment, next week he will be available again
[16:16] <CarstenG> Sure, send the draft.
[16:16] <CarstenG> I try my best to reply as soon as possible. :-)
[16:16] <hannie> I will do it tomorrow and send it to you
[16:18] <CarstenG> good
[16:19] <CarstenG> figure 3.33: you let it as main screenshot?
[16:19] <CarstenG> original it was a margin screenshot, or?
[16:20] <hannie> CarstenG, yes, but with baselineskip it did not look good
[16:21] <hannie> The problem is that 3.34 is too big. I tried to scale that one, but it does not want to move to the previous page
[16:23] <CarstenG> Well, 3.34 is this notification window from U1.
[16:23] <CarstenG> So you could crop it to the upper right part.
[16:24] <hannie> CarstenG, I scaled it to 1000 x 750, but that does not do the trick
[16:24] <CarstenG> As I did it in the quantal version
[16:24] <hannie> So I could try cropping it. Yesterday I did not have time to experiment with cropping and scaling
[16:25] <CarstenG> The quantal version is 377x217 px
[16:25] <CarstenG> I would avoid scaling, because the font size becomes to small.
[16:25] <CarstenG> IMHO
[16:26] <hannie> ok, if I have time I will do some cropping and see if I can make a marginscreenshot for 3.33
[16:26] <CarstenG> And one last question.
[16:26] <CarstenG> Did you test all external hyperlinks?
[16:27] <CarstenG> We should avoid some "page not found" messages in the browser.
[16:27] <hannie> Most of the links I have tested, yes
[16:30] <hannie> ok, you're back. It is always good to test links
[16:31] <CarstenG> Yes, my battery was low, so my laptop gone to suspend mode. :-)
[16:31] <hannie> hi Sylvie
[16:32] <cqfd93> Hi Hannie! Nice to see you!
[16:32] <cqfd93> Are you ready to publish your manual?
[16:33] <hannie> yes, I think so. There are always small things to be changed.
[16:33] <hannie> That is, if you are a perfectionist ;)
[16:33] <hannie> hey YoBoY
[16:33] <YoBoY> hi hannie :)
[16:34] <cqfd93> I agree! You can proofread a dozen times, you'll always find problems ;-)
[16:34] <YoBoY> +42
[16:34] <hannie> cqfd93, is the French version also ready for publishing?
[16:34] <YoBoY> (don't know what your are tlaking about :D)
[16:34] <cqfd93> Hi YoBoY and everybody ;-)
[16:35] <hannie> YoBoY, we were talking about the Dutch and French versions of precise-e2 (ready for publishing)
[16:35] <cqfd93> Hannie, we're still proofreading and making things better
[16:35] <hannie> cqfd93, I am looking forward to it. Good for my French ;)
[16:36] <cqfd93> ;-)
[16:36] <hannie> cqfd93, of course I can make the French pdf myself
[16:36] <YoBoY> yes, we do that atm, and my eagle eyes always find something ò_ó
[16:36] <hannie> I like your glasses
[16:37] <hannie> How many people are proofreading it?
[16:37] <hannie> For the Dutch version we were 2, Rob and I
[16:37] <YoBoY> a lot :D
[16:37] <YoBoY> (3… perhaps 4…)
[16:38] <hannie> well you have more inhabitants in France...
[16:38] <cqfd93> Hannie, just download the latest .po from the French translation page
[16:38] <hannie> yes, I will do that
[16:38] <hannie> I supose it is almost perfect
[16:39] <cqfd93> it is not perfect, we're just doing our best
[16:39] <hannie> ok, next to perfect, like our version
[16:40] <cqfd93> It's better than yours, because we have all 40 glossary entries (vs about 30 in yours) ;-) ;-) ;-)
[16:40] <hannie> cqfd93, did you do the screenshots?
[16:40] <YoBoY> yes
[16:40] <hannie> aha, I'll dive into the glossary then
[16:41] <cqfd93> Rickero did most of them, I did some of them with a lot of editing ;-)
[16:42] <YoBoY> and I did… heu… nothing :D
[16:42] <hannie> I suppose we had the same .pot file as a base
[16:42] <hannie> that is Enrico?
[16:42] <hannie> cqfd93, I do not understand why you have more words in the glossary. Did you add words yourself?
[16:42] <cqfd93> The English manual is also missing a lot of glossary entries, although they are in the file
[16:43] <cqfd93> We hat to add a few \gls{} here and there
[16:43] <YoBoY> hannie, you need one of the word of the document tagged like : \gls{your term}
[16:44] <cqfd93> Going to take a look at your pdf
[16:46] <hannie> ok, I understand. Somtimes I see gls{} without the preceding \
[16:46] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie and Philippe: I had a quick view to the French screenshots. There are some which have the mouse pointer, or have missing window frame.
[16:46] <hannie> If you find those in the English version (Quantal) it would be wise to file a bug
[16:47] <CarstenG> ... or fix it directly. :-)
[16:47] <hannie> CarstenG, but then fix it in the English version, not just the translation, ok
[16:47] <CarstenG> You shold update these screenshots. They will look better.
[16:49] <CarstenG> Hannie, well, the quantal translation template is live on LP.
[16:49] <CarstenG> If we fix it there , the template become invalid...
[16:49] <cqfd93> Hannie: for example, I don't see LTS, Live CD, or Wubi in the glossary, whereas the glossaryentries do exist
[16:50] <CarstenG> I’m not sure if we want to update the translation template regular because some of the finishrd translations get lost in this case.
[16:51] <cqfd93> CarstenG: about the screenshots, we'll have to look at them, thank you
[16:51] <CarstenG> You are welcome. If you need help, feel free to contact me.
[16:52] <cqfd93> afk for a few minutes
[16:54] <hannie> cqfd93, thanks for giving me those examples. I will check it
[16:56] <CarstenG> this would be a nice check for Kevins new build script: "check for unused glossaryentries"
[16:57] <cqfd93> ;-)
[16:58] <cqfd93> Kevin wrote such a script?
[17:02] <CarstenG> yes, it is much in development
[17:02] <CarstenG> You find it in the quantal branch
[17:02] <CarstenG> you can test it with
[17:02] <CarstenG> $ ./build -L fr -c
[17:03] <CarstenG> This checks the French translation for example
[17:05] <cqfd93> thank you, CarstenG
[17:06] <CarstenG> suggestions for this script are welcome. :-)
[17:08] <hannie> \\newglossaryentry{Live CD}{name={Live-CD}
[17:08] <hannie> The hyphen should not be there
[17:08] <hannie> I'll change it
[17:08] <hannie> \\newglossaryentry{LTS}{name={\\acronym{LTS}}
[17:08] <hannie> looks good to me
[17:13] <cqfd93> CarstenG: While in the quantal folder, I ran the script and got tons of warnings mentioning precise-e2, like this one:
[17:13] <cqfd93> Warning: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/precise-e2/+pots/ubuntu-manual/fr/20/+translate
[17:14] <hannie> see you all later
[17:18] <CarstenG> Yes, the branch name is hard coded at the moment
[17:19] <CarstenG> you have to change this by hand
[17:23] <cqfd93> OK. The precise and quantal versions share the same glossaryentry problems
[18:20] <cqfd93> Yesterday, we ran into a problem that looks like a bug...
[18:20] <cqfd93> With this glossary entry:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "\newglossaryentry{LTS}{name={\acronym{LTS}}, description..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> A sentence such as:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "\marginnote{\gls{LTS} est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> should read:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "LTS est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> but it reads:
[18:20] <cqfd93>   "lts est une abréviation pour Support..."
[18:20] <cqfd93> (note lts in lowercase)
[18:20] <cqfd93> The problem persists if we move the \gls{LTS} anywhere in the marginnote{}, but if we put it in the main text, LTS is OK.
[18:38] <godbyk> cqfd93: That's because the font used for the margin notes doesn't have small caps.
[18:38] <godbyk> And small caps are used for acronyms.
[18:38] <godbyk> cqfd93: One moment, and I'll give you a workaround.
[18:39] <godbyk> cqfd93: Try \glslink{LTS}{LTS}
[18:40] <godbyk> cqfd93: The \glslink command works like this \glslink{label}{text} where 'label' is the same as what's used for the \gls command, and 'text' is how you want it to appear in the PDF.
[18:41] <godbyk> (In this case, 'text' is just 'LTS' because we want the capital letters [as opposed to \acronym{LTS} which would give us small caps].)
[18:41] <godbyk> I'm going to try to modify the LaTeX code to do the right thing for margin notes and acronyms, but I haven't done that yet.
[19:07] <cqfd93> Hi Kevin!  Thank you, I'm gonna try your workaround
[19:09] <CarstenG> See you later
[19:09] <CarstenG> bye
[19:14] <cqfd93> Kevin, it worked!  Thank you!
[19:18] <godbyk> cqfd93: No problem!
[21:02] <cqfd93> Just updated 8 screenshots (fr, precise) - nl.po also got pushed in the same revision (138), hope I didn't break anything in it...