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| ScottK | bdrung: $ reverse-depends -b devscripts|grep -c \* says 282 for a quantity. It seems to be a wide variety of things. | 05:14 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:59 |
| ESphynx | good morning :) | 08:02 |
| geser | good morning | 08:07 |
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| bkerensa | dholbach: so the adding of the ubuntu changes by submittodebian this is in fact a bug or intentional of the tool? | 08:15 |
| dholbach | if you work on 1.2.3-4ubuntu2, submittodebian will include the changes of 1.2.3-4ubuntu1 as well | 08:16 |
| bkerensa | but if I am bzr branch debian:package name I am not working on 1.2.4.-4ubuntu2 but instead am working with upstreams source package and yet in these cases it still drops ubuntu changes into it | 08:17 |
| dholbach | it might be that submittodebian always uses the last ubuntu revision to diff against and not care about bzr branches overly much | 08:18 |
| dholbach | in that case just bzr diff > ~/patch | 08:18 |
| dholbach | and submit this on your own (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/Bugs) | 08:19 |
| bdrung | ScottK: how many have "build-depends: @cdbs@" in control.in? | 08:40 |
| bdrung | ScottK: see my comments in debian bug #694760 | 08:55 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 694760 in devscripts "devscripts: Please mark Multi-Arch: foreign" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/694760 | 08:55 |
| bdrung | ScottK: the only valid reverse dependency is bzr-builddeb (using dch) | 08:55 |
| hrw | Rhonda: hi | 09:09 |
| cjwatson | bdrung: I didn't really look since I don't care about the reasons :) | 09:11 |
| cjwatson | bdrung: why argue? M-A: foreign would be harmless | 09:12 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: because you actually mention two issues: multiarch and build dependencies on devscripts | 09:13 |
| cjwatson | bdrung: it doesn't hurt to M-A: foreign random things with no architecture-dependent interfaces, regardless of the reasons | 09:15 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: agreed. i was just commenting that package build depend on devscripts, which is wrong IMO | 09:16 |
| cjwatson | I don't care about that - I'm just trying to unblock as many cross-build issues as I can | 09:17 |
| cjwatson | the more things we unblock with strategic multiarching, the more we get to find out about real per-package issues | 09:17 |
| cjwatson | if you require us to change cdbs, then it'll be months or years before we can find out whether those packages cross-build once their dependencies are satisfied | 09:18 |
| cjwatson | sure, by all means try to reduce the build-dep graph - I'd just like that to be done in parallel with this | 09:19 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: they are two different issues. i will commit your fix. | 09:19 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 09:20 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: how import is that fix? do you think we will get a unblock request granted? | 09:21 |
| cjwatson | I wouldn't expect the Debian release team to consider it important for wheezy | 09:22 |
| Laney | aboudreault: great news. will you submit the fix to ubuntu/debian? | 09:22 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: ok, then i will commit it into our master branch (will be in the next upload to experimental) | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | I'd like to have it for raring | 09:23 |
| cjwatson | ta | 09:23 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: done: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=devscripts/devscripts.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae4fb54bdeb59649bcf89103d73bcf97b0dbd81b | 09:30 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: when is feature freeze? | 09:31 |
| Laney | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule | 09:34 |
| bdrung | okay, still enough time to do the experimental upload | 09:37 |
| Rhonda | hrw: hmm? | 09:43 |
| hrw | Rhonda: packages.ubuntu.com question - why it does not list armhf/armel packages? | 09:44 |
| Rhonda | Because noone told me it should? | 09:45 |
| hrw | Rhonda: :) | 09:45 |
| Rhonda | Since which release are they to be included? | 09:46 |
| hrw | Rhonda: armel was lucid->quantal, armhf precise->raring | 09:46 |
| Rhonda | Hmm, I don't se a Contents-armel.gz or Contents-armhf.gz in *any* release? | 09:47 |
| Rhonda | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/ | 09:47 |
| Laney | lives on the ports archive | 09:47 |
| Laney | ports.ubuntu.com | 09:47 |
| hrw | Rhonda: http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/ | 09:47 |
| Rhonda | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/ also only lists binary-amd64 and binary-i386 | 09:47 |
| Rhonda | Well, if it's ports and not official archs … | 09:47 |
| hrw | and here we have standard problem ;) | 09:48 |
| Laney | it's various hysterical raisins - armhf is pretty supported (moreso than powerpc, which packages does already list) | 09:48 |
| hrw | each time when I ask why arm is still on ports everyone dissapear | 09:48 |
| Rhonda | If I would include ports I probably should include armel, armhf, hppa, ia64, lpia, powerpc and sparc, the full suite? | 09:49 |
| Rhonda | ah, that was hardy. | 09:49 |
| hrw | Rhonda: armel, armhf, powerpc only - rest died already | 09:49 |
| Laney | armel already did too? | 09:49 |
| Laney | depends how much work you want to do for non-current series | 09:50 |
| hrw | Laney: in raring yes. | 09:50 |
| hrw | lucid had sparc but oneiric didn't | 09:50 |
| hrw | but I have no idea was sparc supported at all | 09:50 |
| hrw | hi infinity | 09:51 |
| Rhonda | So if I could get some sort of "official" statement which archs from ports should be listed … I could try to add them. | 09:51 |
| Rhonda | Or if I should just pull all from ports that are available for the releases, that's fine with me too | 09:52 |
| infinity | Rhonda: The latter. | 09:52 |
| infinity | Rhonda: It's more useful for people to be able to see everything. Much like packages.d.o shows debian-ports stuff, even if it's "unofficial". | 09:52 |
| Laney | Yeah, you might as well do that | 09:52 |
| Rhonda | Will take me a bit. We have "ports" support in the packages code on packages.debian.org, so there's not too much to do here, I just have to give it a good whack at the right spot to make it work properly. | 09:53 |
| infinity | We don't actually treat our ports as second-class citizens. | 09:53 |
| Laney | it must already be working for .u.c somehow because powerpc | 09:53 |
| infinity | If they can just be mushed together into one, that would be nice. | 09:53 |
| infinity | (On ftpmaster, it's all one archive, we only split it for mirrors) | 09:54 |
| Rhonda | weeeelllll | 09:54 |
| Rhonda | And packages.debian.org seemingly only shows ports for unstable | 09:54 |
| Rhonda | Laney: Where do you see powerpc listed? | 09:54 |
| Laney | Search the contents of packages -> architecture | 09:54 |
| Rhonda | Right, but there are no packages therein | 09:55 |
| Laney | perhaps it's listed but doesn't work - i didn't try a search :-) | 09:55 |
| Rhonda | packages.ubuntu.com/irssi does list powerpc only at the top as selection (together with armel, FWIW) | 09:56 |
| infinity | The links at the top seem to have not much to do with functionality of the site. :) | 09:56 |
| Rhonda | Ah, wait, it has "arch all" packages for hardy in its list :P | 09:57 |
| Rhonda | s/for hardy // | 09:57 |
| infinity | Rhonda: Just combining dists from archive and ports should DTRT. | 09:57 |
| infinity | Rhonda: Perhaps even almost magically, though I've never looked at the packages.d.o code. :/ | 09:57 |
| infinity | (Though, I guess the links to "download this package" would still need love..) | 09:58 |
| Rhonda | What was the hostname again, sulfur was the old one :) | 09:58 |
| Rhonda | jubany | 09:59 |
| * Laney sheds a tear for sulfur | 09:59 | |
| infinity | jubany was quite the upgrade... | 09:59 |
| infinity | Unless it got stripped down before it was given to you. | 09:59 |
| Rhonda | I would have liked to help, but I never heard anything back to my canonical sysadmin application. :P | 09:59 |
| infinity | That used to launchpad's master postgresql instance. | 09:59 |
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| aboudreault | Laney, yes, we are already committers in DebianGIS | 13:42 |
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| robottinosino | I am having problems with texlive-base (http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400458/), I am assuming this is a common issue? Saw a few bugs filed about this.. | 20:33 |
| tumbleweed | Laney: it's less useful than you think, though. last upload is often not what you want to see | 20:47 |
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| robottinosino | Is this a bug? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400458/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400609/ | 21:26 |
| tumbleweed | why does this remind me of askubuntu.com? :) | 21:28 |
| tumbleweed | robottinosino: all we can see is that the last thing executed was /etc/libpaper.d/texlive-base - that's the next thing to investigate | 21:29 |
| robottinosino | sounds great. :) if you can guide me, I am here to troubleshoot this :) | 21:30 |
| robottinosino | i honestly think this may be common to many machines, not just mine | 21:30 |
| robottinosino | dpkg status gives me this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400638/ | 21:32 |
| tumbleweed | robottinosino: set -x in /etc/libpaper.d/texlive-base and run it | 21:33 |
| robottinosino | (Status: install ok half-configured) - sure, will do... | 21:33 |
| robottinosino | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1400645/ | 21:34 |
| robottinosino | I have seen more than one bug related to this (example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648278 from askubuntu, which you know - but there are others) | 21:36 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 648278 in texlive-base "texlive-base fails to install" [Serious,Fixed] | 21:36 |
| robottinosino | solution does not work for me, is it possible? | 21:37 |
| tumbleweed | doesn't look related to me | 21:37 |
| robottinosino | Well, sorry for steering the issue away from the right path then. I apologise. | 21:38 |
| robottinosino | tumbleweed: are you able to reproduce it? the (Status: install ok half-configured) I mean | 21:38 |
| tumbleweed | robottinosino: no, can't reproduce it | 21:38 |
| tumbleweed | that last command sholud have returned a4, don't know why it didn't | 21:38 |
| robottinosino | does it help to get a list of my installed packages? | 21:39 |
| robottinosino | do i do that with a `dpkg --get-selections` ? | 21:39 |
| tumbleweed | doubt it. I can't see anything obvious, and don't really know much about the tex / papersize bits | 21:41 |
| robottinosino | None of these issues/bugs are related? https://www.google.es/search?q="dpkg-query+--status+texlive-base" | 21:42 |
| tumbleweed | it'd be easy enough to make it install (you can exit 0 early in /etc/libpaper.d/texlive-base ), but I still don't know why it's failing | 21:42 |
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| robottinosino | very odd. :( | 21:47 |
| robottinosino | tumbleweed: thanks for your help anyway | 21:59 |
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| jtaylor | if a sru depends on another sru do I have to put in versioned (build-) depends? | 23:13 |
| ScottK | If it will FTBFS on the older version no. If it will misbuild, yes. | 23:24 |
| ScottK | b-d versioning shouldn't be about bugs or archive skew, but sometimes you have no choice. | 23:24 |
| jtaylor | why not for ftbs? | 23:24 |
| ScottK | Because then you could just retry it | 23:26 |
| ScottK | No harm done. | 23:26 |
| ScottK | If it will misbuild with the older one, then add the version limit to avoid a misbuild. | 23:26 |
| jtaylor | so its not like e.g debian exp were it will use unstable unless its versioned? | 23:26 |
| ScottK | Correct. | 23:27 |
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