[00:00] <shauno>  well, it is midnight
[08:07] <diplo> Morning
[08:14] <popey> yo
[08:39] <AlanBell> morning
[08:48] <popey> hmmm
[08:48] <popey> !ping
[08:48] <popey> yay
[08:50] <directhex> !peng
[08:54] <pndemc> I installed Zpanel on my ubuntu server, and now I can't launch my game servers, it keeps telling me "No such file or directory" when it gets to either ./steam or ./srcds_run. Does anyone know what could be causing this?
[08:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:59] <kvarley> Why when setting up an SSL certificate for my domain do I need to specify a subdomain as well?
[08:59] <kvarley> MooDoo: Hi
[09:02] <MooDoo> :)
[09:03] <MooDoo> kvarley: because the SSL is normally tied to the subdomain and the domain.
[09:09] <kvarley> MooDoo: Ah ok, I did it. I was just wondering :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> kvarley: sweet :D
[09:21] <SuperMatt> woo, finally part of the steam linux beta
[09:23] <popey> :)
[09:23] <popey> SS3 is fun
[09:26] <SuperMatt> indeed it is
[09:27] <SuperMatt> I'd been playing it witgh non-beta status
[09:27] <SuperMatt> but I'm glad now to officially be part of it
[09:27] <SuperMatt> now to submit my plethora of bugs
[09:36] <czajkowski> Morning folks!
[09:43] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:44] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, folks! :-D
[09:45] <MooDoo> :)
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:47] <ikonia> Any of you guys got a recommendation for a "dellwarehouse.com" type of site for Lenovo gear
[09:47] <ikonia> I need to pickup a very speicifc laptop make/model from lenvo for a gift and I'm shopping around for good places to buy
[09:55]  * popey pokes ikonia with a pm
[10:02] <directhex> wiiu!
[10:04] <gord> someone pointed out to me the other day that nintendo are going to have a really hard time with wiiu game sequels... new Super Mario Bros U2: Bono world
[10:10] <popey> the wii mini is an odd device
[10:10] <popey> are there lots of people who clamour for a wii without online capability?
[10:11] <popey> if it were ~40$ cheaper I can imagine it flying off the shelves for use in bedrooms, spare rooms etc
[10:22] <gord> i think its for the xmas family market not for the people who want to still be playing it in febuary market
[10:29] <bigcalm> Not a good start to the day: can't mount my samba shares
[10:30] <christel> popey: get yourself a babysitter tomorrow night and bring clare to hindhead and attend the freenode christmas do! people have become all sick and pulled out so i am left with several meals going spare and this upsets me!
[10:33] <czajkowski> christel: you back in the UK
[10:33] <christel> yes maam!
[10:33] <christel> you can come tomorrow too!
[10:33] <christel> :P
[10:34] <MooDoo> christel: create ubuntu-uk doggy bags ;)
[10:34] <christel> haha
[10:34]  * czajkowski will be living in hampshire as of 6pm today 
[10:34] <czajkowski> I am still in two minds about this
[10:34] <christel> czajkowski: PERFECT! then you MUST come
[10:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski: moved house?
[10:35] <christel> it can double as the WELCOME BAKC czajkowski PARTY
[10:35] <czajkowski> might try as other half wont be around
[10:35] <christel> yay :D
[10:35] <czajkowski> christel: can you mail with location so I can figure out directions
[10:35] <christel> yesss
[10:35] <czajkowski> I live [...]close to the train station :)
[10:35] <czajkowski> MooDoo: yup
[10:36] <czajkowski> ah I can the #19 bus directly there
[10:37] <christel> ooh :D
[10:37] <christel> there is a busstop outside my house i think
[10:37] <christel> well, on the main road (i am set back a bit from the main road)
[10:37] <czajkowski> well plugged in the name of the area no idea if its right
[10:51] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:52] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'Ow am ya
[10:55] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: hellooooooo
[10:59] <mungojerry> went to london devops meeting yesterday, was v good
[11:06] <directhex> popey, the wii mini has bizarre timing too. are there really that many houses that wanted a wii but don't have one due to size?
[11:06] <directhex> it's not as if the sensor bar's shrunk
[11:06] <MooDoo> hello davmor2 yes i'm gine, christel was just inviting the planet to a christmas party ;) lol
[11:07] <dwatkins> directhex: perhaps it's cheaper too
[11:07] <directhex> dwatkins, a little, but the existing wii is already heavily discounted
[11:07] <directhex> like, under a hundred quid
[11:07] <directhex> the price dropped when they removed gamecube support
[11:07] <dwatkins> yeah, oh my, a Lego Wii controller...
[11:09] <popey> they removed gc support?
[11:09] <popey> was that done in a hardware rev?
[11:10] <dwatkins> I guess Dolphin must work well enough as an emulator... ;)
[11:11] <bigcalm> Workstation reboot and the samba shares connect this time. Grr
[11:12] <directhex> popey, removed in the first wii revision without a stand
[11:12] <directhex> i think that was used in mario & sonic at the olympic games bundles
[11:13] <bigcalm> Cupcake for breakfast - living the life
[11:16] <dwatkins> dreaming the rainbow
[11:16] <davmor2> dwatkins: oh you have a packet of skittles then
[11:16] <dwatkins> davmor2: sadly not, they have too much sugar for my liking
[11:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: sugar my butt, it's too much rainbow for you to handle ;)
[11:23] <MooDoo> and that was meant for dwatkins lol
[11:24] <dwatkins> MooDoo: haha, if only
[13:23] <bootinfdsds> anybody about ?
[13:23] <bashrc> no
[13:24] <bootinfdsds> :(
[13:24] <bootinfdsds> AlanBell, Did you get some coins from the IoM today ?
[13:25] <AlanBell> ooh, dunno, not been home yet :)
[13:25] <AlanBell> but thanks!
[13:26] <bootinfdsds> Oh Ok .. well tell me when you do, thank-you.
[13:29] <bootinfdsds> AlanBell,  The IoMLUG has beemn called off till next year, TBHonest Dan never really gave it a chance and so I have formed a G-LUG group of a couple of people. We're mostly online but were looking to-do more in the new year.
[13:30] <bootinfdsds> Apart from the iom.lug.org.uk being a contradiction in terms, I feel as though the community could be better versed with a GLUG.im for serving the Manx community.
[13:34] <bashrc> Is the isle of man embracing linux?
[13:38] <popey> does the G in G-LUG mean GNU perchance bootinfdsds ?
[13:49] <davmor2> popey: Nope it stands for Gangnam
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> Gangnam-LUG?
[14:20] <brobostigon> now that, would be so sad.
[14:20] <AlanBell> oppa linux style
[14:25] <DJones> Argh, dual screen set up nicely & all working yesterday, now just have to fix the pebkac that keeps leaving me in the wrong window on the wrong screen
[14:31] <SuperMatt> are programs loading on the wrong screen?
[14:35] <DJones> NO, programs are on the right screen, its just the user thats forgetting which screen/window/app is active
[14:37] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[14:37] <SuperMatt> I tend to set mine up with "working" apps on the left hand screen, and my browser and email client sit on the right
[14:40] <DJones> I do the opposite, personal apps (polly, thunderbird, pidgin, irssi) on the left screen, work/business apps, Libreoffice etc on the right, and then use the left screen for browsing if I need to research something
[14:40] <DJones> For some reason, I look at the left screen more often :)
[14:42] <SuperMatt> I couldn't begin to understandn why
[14:42] <gord> might be a bit sacrilegious to say here, but windows 8 is *really* nice on multi-monitor. you can basically turn one monitor into a really nice big tablet and the other stays as a "regular" ui
[14:58] <czajkowski> anyone know how one contacts amazon
[14:58] <czajkowski> I have been shipped someones kiddie xmas gifts
[14:59] <czajkowski> about 4 board games
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: there's a "return items" thing in the box with them
[14:59] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/css/returns/homepage.html/ref=hy_f_4
[15:00] <gord> is it not someone near to you that you can just pop round to their house?
[15:00] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: nope
[15:00] <czajkowski> gord: nope it's a french order
[15:00] <czajkowski> all the games are in french
[15:00] <gord> ha
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: they also have a "Contact us" -> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/contact-us/ref=hp_ss_comp_cu?ie=UTF8&nodeId=471044 for me
[15:00] <gord> that is quite lost
[15:01] <popey> heh, we got wrong stuff one year
[15:02] <popey> loads of books I would have ordered anyway
[15:02] <czajkowski> whoo have them calling me now
[15:02] <czajkowski> popey: aye just dont want someone missing their kids presents
[15:02] <czajkowski> looks nice stuff and cost them a cuple of hundred euros
[15:02] <czajkowski> as I can see that receipt
[15:09] <czajkowski> ok seems I can keep the stuff or donate to charity
[15:09] <czajkowski> as there is no returns label n the box
[15:09] <czajkowski> so they can't generate a label for me as I cant give them a reference number
[15:09] <czajkowski> popey: would therealpopey like them for her school class they are all in french ?
[15:23] <gord> every time i call amazon up about, well, anything, they just tell me to keep it and they'll send another. i love amazon
[15:24] <gord> apart from the kindle that i smashed, but they still just replaced it for free with no quibbles
[15:31] <popey> czajkowski, ooh! that'd be lovely, that do french.. what are they? books?
[15:32] <czajkowski> popey: board games
[15:35] <popey> oh sweet, yeah, if you don't want them I'm sure the school would love them, thanks
[15:39] <czajkowski> grand
[15:39] <czajkowski> done
[15:39] <czajkowski> and sorted
[15:39] <czajkowski> :)
[15:39] <czajkowski> one less thing to worry about
[15:39] <czajkowski> just dont like things going to waste and unlike jon I don't horde things up for years!
[15:39] <czajkowski> he's rather special you know
[15:39] <popey> :)
[15:54] <popey> http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2012/11/30/sputnik-pricing-update.aspx
[15:54] <popey> \o/
[16:03] <SuperMatt> popey: that's wonderful news
[16:04] <SuperMatt> now my question. In Fedora 18, tty1 is the gui, but it's tty7 on ubuntu. Is there a reason why it's still tty7?
[16:05] <popey> what's the rationale for changing it?
[16:05] <shauno> I'd assume some combination of entrenched inertia, and "if it ain't broke"
[16:06] <gord> if they changed it there would be a lot of "omg my computer is broken i can't get back to my desktop" support issues
[16:06] <SuperMatt> well, I just would have thought people would expect the main place for doing things would exist a 1, not 7
[16:06] <BigRedS> I think once you've got the hang of TTYs you pretty quickly remember the guis on 7
[16:07] <BigRedS> actually, I don't. I always go for 8 first...
[16:07] <shauno> on the other hand, I'd expect anyone who's actually dropping down to a tty to know what/why
[16:14] <cocoa117> what's the best way to execute a command without user interaction, e.g. create folder mkdir /srv/abc/abc
[16:14] <cocoa117> i mean through SSH
[16:17] <popey> cocoa117, nohup?
[16:18] <cocoa117> popey, ssh test@test..., then what
[16:18] <popey> oh, you want to run a command on a remote box?
[16:19] <popey> ssh user@host -e '/bin/bash -c <command>'
[16:19] <cocoa117> popey, yes, all i need was copy file to a server using SCP, but then there are sometimes the folder i want to copy to might not exist yet
[16:20] <popey> I'd use rsync :)
[16:20] <popey> it will create the folders
[16:20] <cocoa117> popey, ennn, probably a good idea, never cross my mind, :)
[16:21] <cocoa117> rsync with ssh, :), i try that
[16:29] <cocoa117> popey, is there a parameter i need to use with rsync to make sure it create folder if it doesn't exist on the server side?
[16:31] <popey> cocoa117, look at -R in the man page.. may help
[16:33] <dwatkins> wouldn't that be '-r'? I use that and rsync creates directories where needed.
[16:56] <popey> gord, you still use your x220 much or have you moved on?
[16:59] <cocoa117> popey, en, rsync don't really solve my issue here, the initial login folder need to exist first
[17:12] <directhex> wiiiiiiii!
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Woo! http://qi.com/the-qi-advent-calendar
[17:16] <gord> popey, yeah i still use it all the time, i tried to replace it with a tablet, but that didn't go well, so i'm still using it
[17:16] <popey> gord, is yours the i7?
[17:17] <gord> i3
[17:17] <popey> ah
[17:18] <gord> my x220 purchase was based mostly on "oh crap my laptop just died and there is a sprint just around the corner, what is the cheapest but nice machine i can get"
[19:34] <jacobw2> evening
[19:34] <brobostigon> evening jacobw2
[19:35] <directhex> so, only directhex has a launch-day wii u?
[19:36] <jacobw2> a what now?
[19:38] <directhex> that's a yes, then
[19:47] <davmor2_> directhex: has a wii on launch-day, Man you need to contain your excitement better
[19:56] <andrews> hi all - can anyone help me?  I have an external usb Samsung S2 harddrive which I am trying to get working in Linux so I can wipe it (its come from a windows NTFS system) but Ubuntu wont let me do anything with it - I can see it in the "computer" section but cant actually do anything with it.  Can anyone tell me in laymans terms how to get it working?
[19:59] <directhex> andrews, click the dash button, and type "part" - with luck you should have gparted partition editor installed
[19:59] <directhex> andrews, you can use this to reformat any partitions on the drive using the filesystem of your choice
[20:01] <andrews> thanks for this, though sorry for sounding like a plonker, whats the dash button?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> andrews: the one in the top left
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> the one with the Ubuntu logo
[20:03] <andrews> ah cheers.  found the disk utility - that will do it wont it?
[20:04] <jacobw2> yeah
[20:05] <jacobw2> andrews: you can use NTFS with Linux, but it's easier to use filesystem with POSIX permissions like ext4
[20:06] <andrews> thanks, I want to wipe the drive to back up my imac - as such it wont read the current ntfs system
[20:06] <andrews> so i have to use my ubuntu laptop to wipe the drive
[20:07] <directhex> you probably want FAT32 then, if it's for use with multiple OSes
[20:07] <directhex> note: 4gb maximum size for a single file on FAT32
[20:11] <andrews> once i can get my mac to see it, i can re-format it again hopefully, though think that my mac has put a Oxaf partition there.
[20:11] <popey> evening
[20:13] <brobostigon> evening popey
[20:19] <mgdm>  I lile how I can order shoes off Amazon
[20:19] <mgdm> that way I don't need to go to a shoe shop
[20:21] <popey> ooh!
[20:21] <dwatkins> what if they don't fit?
[20:21] <popey> i didnt know this!
[20:21] <mgdm> dwatkins: they will, I have had the same type before :)
[20:21] <dwatkins> ah good, mgdm - I've noticed even for a given manufacturer, the same numbered size is often quite different.
[20:22] <mgdm> I've been wearing this type in this size since I was about 12
[20:22] <mgdm> it's my go-to shoe
[20:22] <mgdm> :)
[20:23]  * popey adds loads of shoes to his wish-list
[20:23] <mgdm> hehe
[20:24] <mgdm> at the risk of a flaming, anyone going to FOSDEM who does PHP... you have about 4 hours to submit a talk to the PHP devroom...
[20:25] <dwatkins> which ones, mgdm?
[20:27] <mgdm> dwatkins: Adidas Sambas :)
[20:27] <dwatkins> I like Converse, but I tend to wear trainers mostly.
[20:27] <mgdm> Converse last me about 2 months
[20:29] <jacobw2> http://www.merrell.com/UK/en-GB/Product.mvc.aspx/25951M/59647/Mens/Moab-Waterproof?dimensions=0
[22:37] <bootinfdsds> no-one about !