[14:34]  * wrst stares at xTEMPLARx
[14:53]  * xTEMPLARx peaks out of his box
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> ever since lowering the system fonts of my machine here, I'm much happier with my screen :D
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> oh and I turned my desktop icons off just for you, wrst.
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> theyre still there, just not visible
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> wish Chrome would use the window manager's borders instead of its own
[14:54] <xTEMPLARx> at least it follows the color scheme somewhat
[14:55] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i thought chrome had that option?
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> eh?
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> to be honest, I"ve never looked for one
[14:55] <xTEMPLARx> so I dunno
[14:56] <wrst> in kde i have it doing it its in teh options
[14:56] <wrst> *the
[14:57] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you mean like this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/kde7.png
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> thats chromium though
[14:57] <xTEMPLARx> is chrome the same in that regard?
[14:57] <wrst> yes it is
[14:57] <wrst> its in the settings, and curious why do you run chrome i find chromium updates come my way faster with no extra repos?
[14:58] <xTEMPLARx> last I heard chromium wasn't being as actively maintained, and chrome works fine, so no reason to NOT use it.
[14:59] <wrst> oh yeah in the ubuntu repos its not being maintained
[14:59] <wrst> i remember that last time i attempted to run ubuntu
[14:59] <wrst> another reason i've decided against that
[15:00] <wrst> you had to add a ppa and that was sad that they would rather you use a closed sourced version than the true open source version
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> I wouldn't say that
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> because chrome itself isn't an automatic option
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> you have to seek it out as well
[15:00] <xTEMPLARx> its more like they'd prefer you use firefox
[15:00] <wrst> they advertise it with the installer
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> which installer?
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> not in the 12.10 I did at home
[15:01] <wrst> the ubuntu 12.04 isntaller did and it was on their website at one time
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> i had to go find it
[15:01] <xTEMPLARx> it wasn't an option :\
[15:03] <wrst> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features/web-browsing
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> huh
[15:03] <wrst> it was one of the things in the installer had firefox then had a pic of the chrome icon as an option
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> i wonder if it was there if you enabled third party sources
[15:03] <xTEMPLARx> and thats why I didn't see it
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> you have an elephant's memory, mr. wrst
[15:04] <wrst> i just remember stuff that hacks me off xTEMPLARx :)
[15:04] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:04] <wrst> i mean really they could push the open source version of the project and really no one would notice the difference i don't
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> why on earth would that hack you off?
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> you have a short fuse, methinks
[15:05] <wrst> because you would think ubuntu would use opensource and push opensource when at all possible
[15:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you been talking to my wife?
[15:05] <wrst> :)
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:05] <wrst> but really they use the same logo one is just blue
[15:05] <xTEMPLARx> no sir, that'd be inappropriate.  I had my wife talk to her
[15:05] <wrst> oh no they would both be mad then some how
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> thats true
[15:06]  * xTEMPLARx rethinks his position
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> found the option
[15:06] <xTEMPLARx> I was already using the option to use the system theme for the colors, which explains why it matched.  But now its using the same top bar too :D
[15:06] <wrst> see my anger helped you out ;)
[15:07] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[15:07] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/chromium/
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> archy archy archy
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> all in the family!
[15:08] <wrst> if they can do it ubuntu could!
[15:08] <wrst> and I'm not wanting to go all richard stallman on it but really
[15:08] <xTEMPLARx> too late
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> you already have RS in your nick
[15:09] <wrst> but no M :)
[15:09] <xTEMPLARx> whatever you got to say to yourself to sleep at night, man
[15:09] <wrst> ha h a
[15:10] <wrst> but i run chrome on windows at work so just call me hypocritical
[15:10]  * wrst does not want to compile software on windows
[15:10] <xTEMPLARx> no binaries available?
[15:11] <wrst> there are but they don't autuo update or didn't once upon a time
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> always an excuse
[15:12] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:12] <wrst> but really i'm not an opensource zealot but just strikes me if you are ubuntu instead of adevertising the orange and yellow logo you would do the blue logo  and just put Chromium the open source project behind Google Chrome and be done
[15:13] <xTEMPLARx> I'm sure there's more of a reason behind it than simple open or closed-source
[15:13] <wrst> i'm sure probably because they just don't want to have to keep another browser and support it and thats fine
[15:13] <wrst> and i really do get it
[15:14] <wrst> but after using debian a litlte bit this week i really get frustrated with ubuntu
[15:14] <wrst> but ubuntu isn't for me so much i don't guess
[15:14] <xTEMPLARx> traitorous pig-dog!
[15:14]  * xTEMPLARx makes phone calls to arrange the firing squad.
[15:14] <wrst> ha ha well i like my ubuntu server
[15:14] <wrst> i think they are just ruining their desktop one release at a time
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> gimme a bullet list
[15:19] <wrst> * Unity
[15:19] <wrst> that's my list
[15:19] <wrst> and as GNOME and Ubuntu get farther a part its going to be interesting, for one it looks like gnome is going to have systemd as a dependency possibly with the next realease, so lots of hacking to get it functional with upstart
[15:20] <wrst> and KDE on ubuntu is lackluster at best and pathetic at worse
[15:20] <wrst> so you don't hav ea good alternative of the full featured desktops, all that in my opinion of course
[15:20] <xTEMPLARx> due to lack of full support, since they're banking on Unity
[15:20] <wrst> which opinions are well like rear ends :)
[15:21] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: exactly so that leaves you going somewhere else or battling silly battles
[15:21] <xTEMPLARx> Okay, all of that makes sense
[15:21] <wrst> now xbuntu is probably the best of the alternate desktops but i'm not a huge xfce fan but if someone is its solid
[15:21] <wrst> again all my opinion :)
[15:22] <wrst> and some people love unity I have wanted to because i hope ubuntu is very successful but I just can't use it, it gets in the way
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> I was the same way with gnome shell
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> for a few minutes
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> but with Unity, every time I try it again that same few minutes goes by and I'm still just as annoyed
[15:22] <xTEMPLARx> gnome shell grew on me quickly
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> but, like you say, if they're fully supporting unity and gnome shell becomes a red-headed step-child
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> still, though, the support that ubuntu has is hard to ignore
[15:23] <xTEMPLARx> i.e., lots of softwares available pre-packaged in .deb
[15:24] <wrst> yes true xTEMPLARx, i have all the same stuff with arch so its really not a big difference once you get the system set up
[15:24] <xTEMPLARx> all?
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> I'm talking about 3rd party .debs here
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> for example, Steam for Linux
[15:25] <wrst> its there :)
[15:25] <xTEMPLARx> don't you tell stories!
[15:26] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/steam/
[15:26] <wrst> its not 100% needless to say but its there
[15:27] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i use ubuntuone in kde on arch and it works better than it did in kubuntu when i tried it granted that was a couple years ago
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> ubuntu one was something I wanted to like but dropbox wins in that regard
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> or rather, in that arena
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> poor choice of words there
[15:28] <xTEMPLARx> still, I did purchase an album from the ubuntu one music store
[15:28] <wrst> yes i use them both
[15:28] <wrst> dropbox is my go to and i use ubuntuone more for a backup of my documents and what not but not so much stuff i need synced
[15:29] <wrst> hello jfenn2199
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> dropbox is just too universal to ignore it as the primary solution
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> wb jfenn2199
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> my worship pastor at church uses it to disseminate sheet music and such to the instrumentalists
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> instrumentalists
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:30] <xTEMPLARx> fun word
[15:31] <wrst> nice word
[15:31] <wrst> yeah i use it allt he time to send files via the public link etc, and ubuntu one works nicely crossplatform and mobile but just not as good on the integration
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> i wish conky worked properly with gnome shell :(
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> mobile?  is there an iOS port?
[15:31] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:32]  * wrst has never had the patience for conky
[15:32] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yes there is
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> sho nuff
[15:32] <wrst> https://one.ubuntu.com/
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> GJ canonical!
[15:32] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i'm the one not using ubuntu here....
[15:32] <wrst> :P
[15:32] <xTEMPLARx> that didn't exist back in the day
[15:33] <xTEMPLARx> have you seen the new Nexus 4 from google?
[15:35] <wrst> yes wish i had seen it a little early i woudl have considered getting it and going the prepaid route with it
[15:35] <wrst> i love my s3 now that i have cyanogenmod on it but that would have saved me some work :)
[15:35] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> 299 for an unlocked phone
[15:36] <wrst> yeah that's killer
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> and using straight talk, 45 a month for unlimited calling and internet
[15:36] <wrst> could have saved a lot of money
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> and its a good-sized phone
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> nice rez on the screen
[15:36] <wrst> yep
[15:36] <wrst> very
[15:36] <xTEMPLARx> its probably the first android phone I've seen that's made me think "Hrmmm... "
[15:37] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i must say the SIII is no slouch once you get the samsung ROM ditched after that its a force
[15:38] <xTEMPLARx> its amazing how the big carrier's hamstring their phones
[15:39] <wrst> well that and this is more samsung doing it, the touchwhizz interface just isn't that great
[15:39] <wrst> plus its android 4.0.4 and i'm on 4.1.2 which has google now and all the good stuff
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> gotchya
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> sorry, but for technology, I dig Google's direction
[15:40] <xTEMPLARx> granted, they want all mah info!
[15:41] <xTEMPLARx> but still, they make great tools
[15:44] <wrst> google wants your info, apple wants all your money, your choice :)
[15:44] <wrst> and windows... well do they make mobile devices?
[15:47] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx i thought you were an apple guy ?
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> I love my ipad
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> and my iphone works amazingly well
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> so it'll be hard to convince me to go elsewhere
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> however, I can't afford a new iphone
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> i'm still using a 3GS
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> which is plenty fast and still able to play current apps
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> run*
[15:50] <wrst> i came close on an iphone but.... just couldn't see it really
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> but for 299 for what I consider to be a micro-tablet with phone service
[15:50] <wrst> and my wifes phone is great, but glad i went the way i did
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> that's not awful
[15:51] <xTEMPLARx> wonder if there's a version of OnSong for android
[15:51] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: my s3 is a little large but like you said its a micro tablet
[15:51] <wrst> what is onsong?
[15:51] <wrst> its not in the store
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> http://www.onsongapp.com/
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> no droid version
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> i wouldn't use it on the phone anyway
[15:52] <xTEMPLARx> just the ipad
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> so not sure why I even asked the question
[15:53] <wrst> that page turn would be nice but i pretty much do the rest with ccli, and dropbox
[15:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: seems like there are apps on android only that would keep you away from moving to iOS and apps on iOS that would keep you from moving to android?
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> onsong isn't about how you distribute the songs so much as just being a digital chord chart with an amazing repository of song charts available thru it.  granted, they come from a third-party source that you have to sub to, but that's okay.  it works and I dig it
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> but you're right on the app exclusivity side
[15:59] <xTEMPLARx> i had fun using ssh from my old iphone when I had Cydia installed on it
[16:00] <xTEMPLARx> but I felt like the phone was slow enough without asking it to do things it didn't need to try to do
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> http://bit.ly/Szg73a  <--- hilarious.  apologies for the "S" word in it, though.
[16:03] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah i use song select on my phone and have pdf's of everything on dropbox
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> PDFs work pretty well, too, but these actually tend to run faster since they're not pdfs and having to load them
[16:03] <xTEMPLARx> think of it in terms of loading text files versus pdfs
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> which most of the native onsong charts are (text that is)
[16:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i think my wife experiences that
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> it'll load PDFs too
[16:04] <wrst> i can do sheet music if need be also
[16:04] <wrst> plus using something a little more official from ccli
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> yeah
[16:06] <wrst> but the pedal... that's great
[16:06] <wrst> i would trade that in for the pedal i do believe
[16:06] <wrst> and i smeel somethign electrical... not good
[16:09] <xTEMPLARx> http://bit.ly/SzikM3
[16:11] <wrst> cool
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> hehe
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> i typed /list in my server window
[19:52] <xTEMPLARx> still going
[19:53] <Guest439> fail
[19:53] <wrst> howdy howdy
[19:53] <Ubik> and wtf it changed my nick i have no idea, lol
[20:03] <xTEMPLARx> It's crazy cool like that
[20:04] <Ubik> hah
[20:13] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  how many of you are there on here?
[20:15] <xTEMPLARx> I reckon he's left to go to Dairy Queen and enjoy him a frosty Blizzard.  Lucky dog.
[20:23] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: what do you mean?
[20:23] <xTEMPLARx> in #archlinux there's a "wesleystout" user
[20:24] <wrst> ahh yes thats on a debian server i forgot was running :)
[20:25] <wrst> i don't like archlinux i'm afraid to be in there so i use something else :)
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> so you use your REAL name in there
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> that makes sense
[20:27] <xTEMPLARx> XD
[20:28] <wrst> well no it doesn't xTEMPLARx reason i need to turn that server off
[20:28] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx what are you doing in #archlinux ?
[20:28] <wrst> i have never said a word in there
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> poking around
[20:28] <xTEMPLARx> seein' what kinda room it is
[20:29] <wrst> it is an interesting "community" pretty much read the manual
[20:29] <wrst> which they have a really good manual
[20:29] <wrst> so they are really right
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> that seems somewhat counter-community
[20:30] <wrst> yeah its not so much community
[20:30] <xTEMPLARx> like archlinux is run by former KGB agents
[20:31] <wrst> sorta
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> makes me wanna push buttons until I get kicked outa the room
[20:32] <xTEMPLARx> must...resist..urge..to troll
[20:37] <wrst> ha ha they pull the trigger fast
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> I bet I could interject in the current discussion with something like "Ah, but I don't ever HAVE that problem because I use Unity and Unity is the best etc etc etc..."
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> or I could ask how to install Unity on arch
[20:39] <xTEMPLARx> ooo
[20:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you can
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> sssh
[20:51] <wrst> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unity
[20:51] <xTEMPLARx> i can't do it
[21:04] <wrst> can't do what?
[21:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ^
[21:05] <xTEMPLARx> I started to pester the archlinux channel about installing unity on arch and playing dumb when they told me stuff... I was gonna start rambling about how I didn't know how to install this "ubuntu" program on arch and could somebody please just help me blah blah blah
[21:05] <xTEMPLARx> couldn't do it
[21:06] <wrst> yeah they just would have kicked you anyway
[21:07] <wrst> oh xTEMPLARx if you do !ubuntu in channel you get this link: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rbeqbj-n1Z0/Skeak1qBGyI/AAAAAAAAAeM/3k_ntrDWmOw/s1600-h/ubuntu.png
[21:07] <xTEMPLARx> rofl
[21:07] <wrst> gotta admit that is pretty good
[21:08] <xTEMPLARx> totally :D
[21:08] <wrst> i have considered isntalling unity just to see what it is like on arch
[21:08] <wrst> ubuntu one works rather nicely in arch
[22:00] <wrst> hello chris4585
[22:00] <chris4585> hey wrst
[22:00] <xTEMPLARx> night all
[22:02] <wrst> night xTEMPLARx, have a good weekendd
[22:02] <wrst> *weekend