| Unit193 | knome: Two merge proposals for xubuntu-docs, not both from me. Is there someone that needs to be poked? :P | 08:07 |
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| Unit193 | knome: Actually, a few more changes would have to be made in order to use correct relative links. | 08:14 |
| knome | Unit193, cheers | 10:50 |
| Unit193 | Would you like the second? | 10:58 |
| knome | haven't looked at them | 10:58 |
| knome | :P | 10:58 |
| Unit193 | Well, second thought, relative links rather than file:///usr/bleh/boogle/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/ | 10:59 |
| knome | well yeah | 11:00 |
| knome | i don't know | 11:00 |
| knome | we need to look if that's ok :) | 11:00 |
| knome | actually | 11:01 |
| knome | most of the links are created by docbook | 11:01 |
| knome | so we don't need to worry about those | 11:01 |
| knome | there's only a few spots where we need to write the links ourself | 11:01 |
| Unit193 | Talking about the one in about/xubuntu-index.html | 11:01 |
| knome | i don't think i mind it being either way, but we might restructure the files, so wouldn't worry too much about that now | 11:02 |
| astraljava | Unit193: Reading the backlog, yeah I seem to remember xz being a topic on -devel at least on two separate occasions, but I lack the recollection of the outcome. | 11:12 |
| Unit193 | It's a no go if you want to rsync, and even if you don't, you still may not get it. | 11:13 |
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| koen_ | is it appropriate to ask questions in here? | 18:10 |
| micahg | if they're specific to xubuntu development, sure | 18:11 |
| koen_ | it isn't, but i have a short one: does polkit prevent opening a serial line (ttyS0), even when the user is part of the groups 'dialout', 'adm' and 'sudo'? | 18:12 |
| knome | if it isn't, then it's not appropriate even if it's a short one... | 18:13 |
| koen_ | apologies, but i have difficulties finding someone to answer that question. never mind... | 18:13 |
| knome | maybe find a polkit expert | 18:14 |
| micahg | try #ubuntu maybe? | 18:17 |
| koen_ | micahg: i tried other channels. polkit documentation is outdated, devel mailing list stopped in june; google doesn't find anything related... ah wel.. | 18:20 |
| koen_ | and nothing in any logs. so i'm supposed to use a kernel debugger to find out why a modern linux can't open a serial line? | 18:21 |
| knome | this is not the right place to whine about it | 18:22 |
| koen_ | soit, i'm off... | 18:22 |
| adnan | rude knome tsk tsk tsk :P | 18:30 |
| adnan | :-) | 18:30 |
| micahg | he was just finnishing him :) | 18:30 |
| pleia2 | lol | 18:30 |
| drc | oh snap :) | 18:30 |
| * micahg hugs knome | 18:31 | |
| knome | micahg, i see what you did there with the pun... | 18:31 |
| * knome hugs micahg back | 18:31 | |
| adnan | oh i see the pun too | 18:32 |
| drc | It took me 3 looks, I missed the first, couldn't believe the second :) | 18:32 |
| adnan | i feel sorry for the guy man | 18:33 |
| adnan | :( | 18:33 |
| micahg | yeah, but no one in here can help | 18:33 |
| drc | But he was told, right up front. | 18:33 |
| knome | he was crossposting, then he asked if it's ok to ask, then we told "if it has to do with x devel", it didn't but he asked anyway, etc... | 18:34 |
| adnan | I'm just too sensitive I guess :'( | 18:34 |
| adnan | off to make myself a dinner | 18:34 |
| knome | bon appetit | 18:34 |
| adnan | ty | 18:34 |
| micahg | ftr, I'm sure finnish people are very nice as knome is in person :) | 18:35 |
| knome | micahg, i | 18:35 |
| knome | eugh | 18:35 |
| knome | i'm not so convinced about finnish people being nice, but thanks ;) | 18:36 |
| astraljava | micahg: I'm not sure I follow. Finns, knome, nice?! Does not compute. | 18:38 |
| adnan | #xubuntu-offtopic ! | 18:53 |
| pleia2 | good answer for #3? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-November/008540.html | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | (is this just a case of people accidentally deleting it?) | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | and is this really the easiest? or should we just drop this question? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-November/008548.html | 19:00 |
| drc | pleia2: I would add: Use Panel>Panel Prefs>Items to move it to a location of your preferences. Many people expect to see it in the default location, and adding it will put it on the far left, iirc. | 19:18 |
| drc | er...far RIGHT :( | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | drc: for which? | 19:20 |
| drc | Number 3 | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | oh, I see | 19:20 |
| drc | If they delete it and don't know how to getit back, they probably don't know who to move it to where they expect it. | 19:21 |
| drc | s/who/how | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | looks like #8 isn't so easy, there are some scripts and tools to do it, but meh | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | knome: can you take a peek at the FAQ now? I think they're ready | 19:27 |
| knome | pleia2, start 2A: "Due to constraints unavoidable by the Xubuntu team, ..." or sth similar? | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | yeah, no one gave me a reason so I don't know why ;) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | ok, fixed up | 19:30 |
| knome | pleia2, indicator wrapper is gtk3, messaging indicator is not | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | ah | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | that won't do | 19:31 |
| knome | would you release the edit lock? | 19:31 |
| knome | i'll do some slight fixes for the layout | 19:31 |
| micahg | knome: other way | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | yeah, closed the window | 19:31 |
| knome | micahg, oh, right. whatever O:) | 19:31 |
| knome | http://xubuntu.org/?p=1514&preview=true ? | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | looks good | 19:35 |
| knome | shall i publish? | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | yes please | 19:36 |
| knome | done | 19:36 |
| knome | hmm.. | 19:36 |
| knome | oh right, cache | 19:36 |
| knome | tweeted | 19:37 |
| knome | lol | 19:37 |
| knome | so did somebody else | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | not me | 19:37 |
| knome | hmm, weird | 19:37 |
| knome | i removed the tweet | 19:37 |
| knome | both disappeared | 19:37 |
| knome | o.O | 19:37 |
| knome | twitter fail i suppose | 19:38 |
| knome | thanks pleia2 for the work | 19:38 |
| drc | one question: should the answers be seperated from the question (right now I see the question ans the start of the answer on the same line. | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | which question and what browser? | 19:39 |
| knome | you mean should the answers be intended? | 19:39 |
| knome | err | 19:39 |
| knome | indented | 19:39 |
| drc | Maybe I'm looking at the old FAQ? And yes, indented, seperate line, something to distinguish the question from the answer. | 19:40 |
| drc | hmm...bet I'm looking at an old FAQ :( | 19:41 |
| knome | none of the faqs have indented answers | 19:42 |
| adnan | looks okay to me the way it is right now | 19:42 |
| adnan | larger text makes it easier to distinguish questions from answers imho | 19:42 |
| drc | OK, I'll shut up...Obviously I looking at an old URL. | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | drc: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1210-quantal-quetzal/ | 19:44 |
| drc | Yup, I was looking at http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ | 19:45 |
| * drc shuffles back to the dungeion. | 19:46 | |
| adnan | xD | 19:46 |
| knome | drc, that's the FAQ *category* | 19:47 |
| drc | yeah, I know...now | 19:47 |
| knome | :) | 19:47 |
| drc | Like I said, 1) shut up, 2) dungeon, 3) check the links :( | 19:48 |
| adnan | wasn't it at least a bit strange, why the "questions" didn't have question marks in them? | 19:49 |
| adnan | and why did they have FAQ in them xD | 19:49 |
| adnan | just kidding <3 you :) | 19:50 |
| bluesabre_ | pleia2, knome: for #7, why don't we have them go to Settings Manager > Software Sources? | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | bluesabre_: I suspect people are more familiar with the software center, so it's familiar | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | (and that's how the Ubuntu instructions do it) | 19:54 |
| bluesabre_ | ah, ok | 19:54 |
| bluesabre_ | that's cool then :) | 19:54 |
| astraljava | _Are_ people actually familiar with it? All I hear is whining about why Synaptic isn't there, why SC is so slow etc. ad nauseum. | 20:31 |
| adnan | i saw software center first time in my life when I installed 12.04 | 20:32 |
| adnan | and I always use apt from terminal so I wouldn't know | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | astraljava: I don't think you talk to normal people much :) | 20:32 |
| astraljava | I rest my case. | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | we're not exactly the target audience ;) | 20:33 |
| astraljava | 'Twas heavy. | 20:33 |
| genii-around | Heh | 20:33 |
| adnan | astraljava, indeed, all these package names make people confused | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | it's the default software thingy in Xubuntu, plenty of people use defaults and are used it it because they know it from Ubuntu, I really don't think the thousands of people doing this are *actually* complaining about synaptic, just a select few | 20:34 |
| adnan | I've had people at my uni mock me because I use terminal to shutdown my laptop lol | 20:34 |
| adnan | less to say they're third year of computer science and still do not know what does word "thread" mean for example | 20:35 |
| adnan | but yeah | 20:35 |
| astraljava | Terminal just makes so much more sense. Except on Macs. | 20:35 |
| adnan | ey, btw, is hibernate feature getting fixed anytime soon | 20:35 |
| adnan | yeah astraljava | 20:36 |
| adnan | happens that you need to run xfce4-power-manager as root to be able to hibernate it | 20:36 |
| astraljava | I lost touch on that, when I lost access to a "normal" laptop. | 20:37 |
| adnan | what kind of laptop do you have | 20:37 |
| astraljava | MacBook Pro, from work. | 20:37 |
| adnan | ah | 20:37 |
| adnan | guessing you're not allowed to install other os-es on it? | 20:39 |
| GridCube | i very rarely use the usc, but given the influx of gaming and stuff, i think it pressence its mandatory | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | Sleep fails on mine, which is really annoying... | 20:39 |
| astraljava | adnan: I might be, but it might be pushing it, cause we're generally supposed to test new versions of our products on the latest OS X. And I'm still running Lion... | 20:39 |
| astraljava | But *psssst* don't tell anyone. | 20:40 |
| adnan | Unit193, does it give some kind of error or? | 20:40 |
| adnan | s/error/error message | 20:40 |
| adnan | haha | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | adnan: Nope, just the monitor doesn't come back, restarting lightdm doesn't help. :P | 20:40 |
| adnan | yeah | 20:41 |
| adnan | had the similar issue long time ago | 20:41 |
| adnan | and I had to install some 3rd party suspend software | 20:41 |
| adnan | that actually made it work | 20:41 |
| astraljava | Unit193: That's because it doesn't wanna sleep in Ohio. | 20:41 |
| adnan | haha | 20:41 |
| Unit193 | astraljava: Goes down fine. ;) | 20:42 |
| astraljava | Oh ok, then it doesn't wanna come back out of unconsciousness. | 20:43 |
| adnan | Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume#Dead.2C_Blank.2C_or_Black_Screen_on_Resume | 20:43 |
| adnan | try that | 20:43 |
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| adnan | might help ya | 20:44 |
| Unit193 | Sure, will try that tonight. Used to work is the bummer. | 20:45 |
| adnan | :-) | 20:45 |
| adnan | hopefully it helps | 20:45 |
| adnan | any chance of having restart later button on software updater | 20:46 |
| adnan | http://screencloud.net/v/t3tM | 20:46 |
| GridCube | knome, evancarroll found a quick workaround to restore default panels without need to relogin and without changing anything else: killall xfce4-panel; killall xfconfd; rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml; xfce4-panel; | 21:21 |
| knome | aha | 21:22 |
| GridCube | pleia2, ^ that could go to the faq | 21:22 |
| pleia2 | we already published the faq! | 21:24 |
| GridCube | o: | 21:24 |
| pleia2 | I've been begging people for weeks to help me :P | 21:24 |
| GridCube | we did? | 21:24 |
| GridCube | oh :D well | 21:27 |
| ochosi | adnan: report a bug in launchpad about it, that's something we don't influence at all, it's from ubuntu | 22:38 |
| adnan | mhm | 22:39 |
| ochosi | but i agree that only having that one option sucks quite a bit | 22:39 |
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