[08:07] <Unit193> knome: Two merge proposals for xubuntu-docs, not both from me.  Is there someone that needs to be poked? :P
[08:14] <Unit193> knome: Actually, a few more changes would have to be made in order to use correct relative links.
[10:50] <knome> Unit193, cheers
[10:58] <Unit193> Would you like the second?
[10:58] <knome> haven't looked at them
[10:58] <knome> :P
[10:59] <Unit193> Well, second thought, relative links rather than file:///usr/bleh/boogle/xubuntu-docs/desktop-guide/
[11:00] <knome> well yeah
[11:00] <knome> i don't know
[11:00] <knome> we need to look if that's ok :)
[11:01] <knome> actually
[11:01] <knome> most of the links are created by docbook
[11:01] <knome> so we don't need to worry about those
[11:01] <knome> there's only a few spots where we need to write the links ourself
[11:01] <Unit193> Talking about the one in about/xubuntu-index.html
[11:02] <knome> i don't think i mind it being either way, but we might restructure the files, so wouldn't worry too much about that now
[11:12] <astraljava> Unit193: Reading the backlog, yeah I seem to remember xz being a topic on -devel at least on two separate occasions, but I lack the recollection of the outcome.
[11:13] <Unit193> It's a no go if you want to rsync, and even if you don't, you still may not get it.
[18:10] <koen_> is it appropriate to ask questions in here?
[18:11] <micahg> if they're specific to xubuntu development, sure
[18:12] <koen_> it isn't, but i have a short one: does polkit prevent opening a serial line (ttyS0), even when the user is part of the groups 'dialout', 'adm' and 'sudo'?
[18:13] <knome> if it isn't, then it's not appropriate even if it's a short one...
[18:13] <koen_> apologies, but i have difficulties finding someone to answer that question. never mind...
[18:14] <knome> maybe find a polkit expert
[18:17] <micahg> try #ubuntu maybe?
[18:20] <koen_> micahg: i tried other channels. polkit documentation is outdated, devel mailing list stopped in june; google doesn't find anything related... ah wel..
[18:21] <koen_> and nothing in any logs. so i'm supposed to use a kernel debugger to find out why a modern linux can't open a serial line?
[18:22] <knome> this is not the right place to whine about it
[18:22] <koen_> soit, i'm off...
[18:30] <adnan> rude knome tsk tsk tsk :P
[18:30] <adnan> :-)
[18:30] <micahg> he was just finnishing him :)
[18:30] <pleia2> lol
[18:30] <drc> oh snap :)
[18:31]  * micahg hugs knome
[18:31] <knome> micahg, i see what you did there with the pun...
[18:31]  * knome hugs micahg back
[18:32] <adnan> oh i see the pun too
[18:32] <drc> It took me 3 looks, I missed the first, couldn't believe the second :)
[18:33] <adnan> i feel sorry for the guy man
[18:33] <adnan> :(
[18:33] <micahg> yeah, but no one in here can help
[18:33] <drc> But he was told, right up front.
[18:34] <knome> he was crossposting, then he asked if it's ok to ask, then we told "if it has to do with x devel", it didn't but he asked anyway, etc...
[18:34] <adnan> I'm just too sensitive I guess :'(
[18:34] <adnan> off to make myself a dinner
[18:34] <knome> bon appetit
[18:34] <adnan> ty
[18:35] <micahg> ftr, I'm sure finnish people are very nice as knome is in person :)
[18:35] <knome> micahg, i
[18:35] <knome> eugh
[18:36] <knome> i'm not so convinced about finnish people being nice, but thanks ;)
[18:38] <astraljava> micahg: I'm not sure I follow. Finns, knome, nice?! Does not compute.
[18:53] <adnan> #xubuntu-offtopic !
[18:59] <pleia2> good answer for #3? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-November/008540.html
[18:59] <pleia2> (is this just a case of people accidentally deleting it?)
[19:00] <pleia2> and is this really the easiest? or should we just drop this question? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2012-November/008548.html
[19:18] <drc> pleia2: I would add: Use Panel>Panel Prefs>Items to move it to a location of your preferences.  Many people expect to see it in the default location, and adding it will put it on the far left, iirc.
[19:19] <drc> er...far RIGHT :(
[19:20] <pleia2> drc: for which?
[19:20] <drc> Number 3
[19:20] <pleia2> oh, I see
[19:21] <drc> If they delete it and don't know how to getit back, they probably don't know who to move it to where they expect it.
[19:22] <drc> s/who/how
[19:25] <pleia2> looks like #8 isn't so easy, there are some scripts and tools to do it, but meh
[19:27] <pleia2> knome: can you take a peek at the FAQ now? I think they're ready
[19:29] <knome> pleia2, start 2A: "Due to constraints unavoidable by the Xubuntu team, ..." or sth similar?
[19:29] <pleia2> yeah, no one gave me a reason so I don't know why ;)
[19:30] <pleia2> ok, fixed up
[19:30] <knome> pleia2, indicator wrapper is gtk3, messaging indicator is not
[19:31] <pleia2> ah
[19:31] <pleia2> that won't do
[19:31] <knome> would you release the edit lock?
[19:31] <knome> i'll do some slight fixes for the layout
[19:31] <micahg> knome: other way
[19:31] <pleia2> yeah, closed the window
[19:31] <knome> micahg, oh, right. whatever O:)
[19:34] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?p=1514&preview=true ?
[19:35] <pleia2> looks good
[19:36] <knome> shall i publish?
[19:36] <pleia2> yes please
[19:36] <knome> done
[19:36] <knome> hmm..
[19:36] <knome> oh right, cache
[19:37] <knome> tweeted
[19:37] <knome> lol
[19:37] <knome> so did somebody else
[19:37] <pleia2> not me
[19:37] <knome> hmm, weird
[19:37] <knome> i removed the tweet
[19:37] <knome> both disappeared
[19:37] <knome> o.O
[19:38] <knome> twitter fail i suppose
[19:38] <knome> thanks pleia2 for the work
[19:38] <drc> one question: should the answers be seperated from the question (right now I see the question ans the start of the answer on the same line.
[19:39] <pleia2> which question and what browser?
[19:39] <knome> you mean should the answers be intended?
[19:39] <knome> err
[19:39] <knome> indented
[19:40] <drc> Maybe I'm looking at the old FAQ?  And yes, indented, seperate line, something to distinguish the question from the answer. 
[19:41] <drc> hmm...bet I'm looking at an old FAQ :(
[19:42] <knome> none of the faqs have indented answers
[19:42] <adnan> looks okay to me the way it is right now
[19:42] <adnan> larger text makes it easier to distinguish questions from answers imho
[19:43] <drc> OK, I'll shut up...Obviously I looking at an old URL.
[19:44] <pleia2> drc: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1210-quantal-quetzal/
[19:45] <drc> Yup, I was looking at  http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/
[19:46]  * drc shuffles back to the dungeion.
[19:46] <adnan> xD
[19:47] <knome> drc, that's the FAQ *category*
[19:47] <drc> yeah, I know...now
[19:47] <knome> :)
[19:48] <drc> Like I said, 1) shut up, 2) dungeon, 3) check the links :(
[19:49] <adnan> wasn't it at least a bit strange, why the "questions" didn't have question marks in them?
[19:49] <adnan> and why did they have FAQ in them xD
[19:50] <adnan> just kidding <3 you :)
[19:53] <bluesabre_> pleia2, knome: for #7, why don't we have them go to Settings Manager > Software Sources?
[19:54] <pleia2> bluesabre_: I suspect people are more familiar with the software center, so it's familiar
[19:54] <pleia2> (and that's how the Ubuntu instructions do it)
[19:54] <bluesabre_> ah, ok
[19:54] <bluesabre_> that's cool then :)
[20:31] <astraljava> _Are_ people actually familiar with it? All I hear is whining about why Synaptic isn't there, why SC is so slow etc. ad nauseum.
[20:32] <adnan> i saw software center first time in my life when I installed 12.04
[20:32] <adnan> and I always use apt from terminal so I wouldn't know
[20:32] <pleia2> astraljava: I don't think you talk to normal people much :)
[20:33] <astraljava> I rest my case.
[20:33] <pleia2> we're not exactly the target audience ;)
[20:33] <astraljava> 'Twas heavy.
[20:33] <genii-around> Heh
[20:33] <adnan> astraljava, indeed, all these package names make people confused
[20:34] <pleia2> it's the default software thingy in Xubuntu, plenty of people use defaults and are used it it because they know it from Ubuntu, I really don't think the thousands of people doing this are *actually* complaining about synaptic, just a select few
[20:34] <adnan> I've had people at my uni mock me because I use terminal to shutdown my laptop lol
[20:35] <adnan> less to say they're third year of computer science and still do not know what does word "thread" mean for example
[20:35] <adnan> but yeah
[20:35] <astraljava> Terminal just makes so much more sense. Except on Macs.
[20:35] <adnan> ey, btw, is hibernate feature getting fixed anytime soon
[20:36] <adnan> yeah astraljava 
[20:36] <adnan> happens that you need to run xfce4-power-manager as root to be able to hibernate it
[20:37] <astraljava> I lost touch on that, when I lost access to a "normal" laptop.
[20:37] <adnan> what kind of laptop do you have
[20:37] <astraljava> MacBook Pro, from work.
[20:37] <adnan> ah 
[20:39] <adnan> guessing you're not allowed to install other os-es on it?
[20:39] <GridCube> i very rarely use the usc, but given the influx of gaming and stuff, i think it pressence its mandatory
[20:39] <Unit193> Sleep fails on mine, which is really annoying...
[20:39] <astraljava> adnan: I might be, but it might be pushing it, cause we're generally supposed to test new versions of our products on the latest OS X. And I'm still running Lion...
[20:40] <astraljava> But *psssst* don't tell anyone.
[20:40] <adnan> Unit193, does it give some kind of error or?
[20:40] <adnan> s/error/error message
[20:40] <adnan> haha
[20:40] <Unit193> adnan: Nope, just the monitor doesn't come back, restarting lightdm doesn't help. :P
[20:41] <adnan> yeah
[20:41] <adnan> had the similar issue long time ago
[20:41] <adnan> and I had to install some 3rd party suspend software
[20:41] <adnan> that actually made it work
[20:41] <astraljava> Unit193: That's because it doesn't wanna sleep in Ohio.
[20:41] <adnan> haha
[20:42] <Unit193> astraljava: Goes down fine. ;)
[20:43] <astraljava> Oh ok, then it doesn't wanna come back out of unconsciousness.
[20:43] <adnan> Unit193, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume#Dead.2C_Blank.2C_or_Black_Screen_on_Resume
[20:43] <adnan> try that
[20:44] <adnan> might help ya
[20:45] <Unit193> Sure, will try that tonight.  Used to work is the bummer.
[20:45] <adnan> :-)
[20:45] <adnan> hopefully it helps
[20:46] <adnan> any chance of having restart later button on software updater
[20:46] <adnan> http://screencloud.net/v/t3tM
[21:21] <GridCube> knome, evancarroll found a quick workaround to restore default panels without need to relogin and without changing anything else:  killall xfce4-panel; killall xfconfd; rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml; xfce4-panel;
[21:22] <knome> aha
[21:22] <GridCube> pleia2, ^ that could go to the faq
[21:24] <pleia2> we already published the faq!
[21:24] <GridCube> o:
[21:24] <pleia2> I've been begging people for weeks to help me :P
[21:24] <GridCube> we did?
[21:27] <GridCube> oh :D well
[22:38] <ochosi> adnan: report a bug in launchpad about it, that's something we don't influence at all, it's from ubuntu
[22:39] <adnan> mhm
[22:39] <ochosi> but i agree that only having that one option sucks quite a bit