[00:18] <v1adimir> puff: hmm, a laptop.. MAYBE you might need to disabled the on-die graphics - do you have a dedicated adapter, or the built-in one with shared system memory?
[00:18] <v1adimir> that could be the issue, one of the two above
[00:19] <puff> I'm not sure what either of those is :-).
[00:19] <v1adimir> .. if it's loading both drivers on boot; or if the shared-memory setup/card is scr3wing with it
[00:19] <puff> Okay, some new data... swapped the displayport cable for the vga cable, plugged directly into the thinkpad.  On the up side, this time the dell monitor actually woke up and said it was receiving a VGA signal.  On the down side, now I odn't even get a GUI login screen.
[00:20] <puff> v1adimir: Good question... I have no idea where I'd find the answer to that.
[00:20] <v1adimir> puff: sorry I would have to search for it also, but just thought maybe it's something like that
[00:20] <puff> lsmod shows both vesafb and nvidia modules.
[00:21] <puff> Guess it's tiem to blow away xorg.conf again.
[00:23] <v1adimir> lspci -v | grep -i vga shows what?
[00:24] <puff> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Device 1057 (rev a1)
[00:25] <v1adimir> what driver (in use) does this show: sudo lshw -C video
[00:25] <v1adimir> driver=nvidia?
[00:26] <v1adimir> i mean under the configuration: line
[00:32] <puff> Yeah, driver=nvidia.
[00:33] <xubuntu580> Hello i need some help with xubuntu 12.10
[00:34] <xubuntu580> i want to start thunderbird minimazed on login
[00:34] <xubuntu580> any help?
[00:38] <puff> xubuntu580:
[00:40] <puff> xubuntu580:  xfce4-autostart-editor
[00:40] <lighta> hoi, hey guys does someone know what the issue with : "‘__fdelt_warn’ declared with attribute"
[00:41] <lighta> only got this warn on ubuntu can't see why
[00:41] <puff> xubuntu580: hm, I can't seem to find that on mine.
[00:41] <puff> xubuntu580: As for minimized, I would guess you'd have to use some parameter in the command line of whatever actually does the autostart.
[00:43] <xubuntu580> can you tell me how to do this?
[00:55] <puff> xubuntu580: upper left corner of your screen is a button labeled Applications, click it and then Settings, Settings Manager.  The settings window will pop up.   The fourth-from-last icon is labeled "Sessions and Startup"
[00:56] <puff> xubuntu580: Click "Sessiion and Startup", then select the tab labeled "Application Autostart"
[00:57] <puff> xubuntu580: Find thunderbird in the list, make sure the checkbox at the left edge of the list is checked for thunderbird, then select the lnie and click on the "Edit" button below the list.
[00:59] <puff> xubuntu580: Then figure out the command-line option to start thunderbird minimized, and add it to the "Command:" field in the edit box.
[01:00] <puff> xubuntu580: I just took a quick look at google... This page mgiht be useful:  http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments_%28Thunderbird%29
[01:01] <puff> xubuntu580: Also, found one page that suggested "-silent" might do it.
[01:01] <puff> Oh well, gotta go now.
[02:21] <buar> hi, is russian speak man on this channel? (sorry my bad eng)
[02:23] <buar> what is the most needed soft for the office comp? i use this OS only now
[02:23] <Unit193> !ru | buar
[02:23] <Unit193> buar: Maybe Libreoffice?
[02:24] <buar> thanks
[02:25] <buar> libreoffice and gimp installed
[02:26] <buar> what soft is good and simple for edit and view picture?
[02:26] <Unit193> Simple, don't know.
[02:28] <buar> example, picasa for xp, is it fir ubuntu?
[02:29] <buar> *for
[02:31] <Unit193> There is no picasa for Ubuntu.
[02:31] <buar> Unit193, what you use for pictures editing?
[02:35] <caboose> I like signing on for support, typing my question, thinking of an additional thing to try, and fixing my own problem. Thank you all for being here, even though I didn't end up needing you. :)
[02:36] <Krandal> I also came here to "kill time", caboose. I just re-installed Xubuntu. XD (reboot time)
[02:37] <tomatopotato> im here t fix my karma and see if anything is true about it lol
[02:37] <tomatopotato> so when i can help im trying to
[03:44] <overtone> hi all, i have a question about wireless drivers
[03:45] <overtone> i install xubuntu recently, and used "rfkill" to unblock the wifi
[03:45] <overtone> and i thought installing the same wireless driver that my windows vista OS uses would do the trick
[03:45] <overtone> but it didn't
[03:45] <overtone> so i'm wondering what wireless driver to install
[03:46] <holstein> i usually try the XP one if i need a windows onw
[03:46] <overtone> (FYI i'm running dual-boot vista and xubuntu on a hp machine)
[03:46] <overtone> how would i look that up, holstein?
[03:46] <holstein> overtone: doesnt matter what other os's you have on the machine
[03:47] <holstein> overtone: i go to the manufacturer
[03:47] <overtone> so i install any XP driver, and that should work?
[03:49] <holstein> overtone: you can try it.. it really should never work, but sometimes it can
[03:49] <holstein> overtone: the manufacturer should provide a functioning driver for the operating system you are choosing to use.. but there are usually ways to get them working..
[03:50] <overtone> so in my case, is the manufacturer hp?
[03:51] <overtone> or would it be intel, because i have an intel processor....
[03:52] <usr13_> overtone: What are you looking for?
[03:52] <overtone> i see you've just joined, so i'll explain again
[03:52] <overtone> i'm looking for a wireless driver that's compatible with xubuntu
[03:53] <overtone> i'm running dual-boot vista and xubuntu on a HP machine
[03:53] <usr13_> lspci |grep ireless
[03:53] <overtone> and i've downlowded the app about windows wireless
[03:53] <overtone> i just need a wireless driver
[03:53] <usr13_> overtone: for Linux?  Or MS Windows?
[03:53] <holstein> ndisgtk = "the app about windows wireless overtone ?
[03:53] <overtone> i want to be able to run wireless on xubuntu, which isnt' working right noew
[03:54] <overtone> i'm referring to "windows wireless drivers"
[03:54] <overtone> in other words, yes
[03:54] <usr13_> overtone: What is it?  Tell us what is the wireless chip.  lspci |grep ireless
[03:54] <overtone> let me check, i emailed it to myself
[03:55] <overtone> Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN
[03:55] <overtone>  	5.10.38.14
[03:55] <holstein> !broadcom
[03:55] <overtone> what will that do?
[03:55] <holstein> i typically just wire up to internet and install the firmware
[03:55] <usr13_> overtone: lspci |grep pastebinit
[03:56] <overtone> yeah i'm connected right now via ethernet
[03:56] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[03:56] <usr13_> holstein: Has he determined for sure that the card will require ndiswrapper?
[03:56] <holstein> overtone: i would check as usr13_ is suggesting
[03:56] <holstein> usr13_: i dont think so
[03:56] <overtone> ok, so that's the other problem
[03:57] <overtone> i try sudo commands and it says i don't have permission
[03:57] <usr13_> overtone: lspci |grep ireless  #And send us the resulting URL.  (Paste it here.)
[03:57] <overtone> ok one second
[03:58] <holstein> overtone: you'll need sudo permission
[03:58] <usr13_> overtone: lspci |pastebinit  #And send us the resulting URL.
[03:59] <overtone> "lspci |grep ireless" didn't return anything
[03:59] <usr13_> overtone: lspci |pastebinit  #And send us the resulting URL.
[03:59] <overtone> ok the paste binit returned a URL
[03:59] <usr13_> Show us
[04:00] <usr13_> Paste it here.
[04:01] <overtone> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1398340/
[04:01] <usr13_> overtone: Ok, it's a BCM4312
[04:02] <overtone> if i download that, will the "windows drivers" app recognize it?
[04:02] <holstein> so.. sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[04:02] <usr13_> overtone: What is your OS?  12.04 ?
[04:02] <overtone> yeah
[04:02] <usr13_> or ________________?
[04:02] <holstein> overtone: the windows driver app lets you use a windows driver.. but you likely wont need to
[04:03] <usr13_> overtone: firefox https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx  Scroll down to where it says: "11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) - 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal)"  Read...
[04:05] <overtone_> hi, sorry i got booted off by this shitty hotel connection
[04:06] <overtone_> the install command didn't work
[04:06] <holstein> overtone: no worries.. keep the language clean here though
[04:06] <overtone_> gotcha, sorry
[04:06] <holstein> overtone: you can elaborate as to the error
[04:06] <holstein> overtone_: open a terminal.. and copy paste
[04:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[04:07] <usr13_> overtone_: You will need an internet connection for it to work.  Can you plug into a wired connection to internet?
[04:07] <overtone_> hm copy paste doesn't seem to be working
[04:07] <overtone_> i'm wired on ethernet right now
[04:08] <holstein> overtone_: sudo apt-get update
[04:08] <usr13_> sudo apt-get update
[04:08] <usr13_> overtone_: ^^^^^
[04:08] <overtone_> them problem seems to be here:
[04:08] <overtone_> "No chroot environment found. Starting norma installation"
[04:08] <overtone_> "An unsupported BCM4312 Low-Power (LP-PHY) device was found.
[04:08] <holstein> overtone_: start from the beginning.. did you install the OS?
[04:08] <usr13_> overtone_: What?  "chroot"  ... "Starting norma installation"?
[04:09] <overtone_> Yeah, that's the error message i got
[04:09] <holstein> overtone_: use pastebin
[04:09] <overtone_> sorry, what's the whole command
[04:09] <overtone_> ?
[04:09] <usr13_> overtone_: Have you sucessfully installed xubuntu 12.10?
[04:09] <holstein> overtone_: open a terminal run.. sudo apt-get update.. past that in
[04:09] <overtone_> i wanted to get the LTS
[04:09] <holstein> paste*
[04:09] <usr13_> sudo apt-get update
[04:09] <overtone_> i've updated 172 updates from the wired connection
[04:10] <usr13_> overtone_: Are you 12.04?
[04:10] <overtone_> yes
[04:10] <usr13_> Did you do:  sudo apt-get update   ?
[04:10] <holstein> overtone_: sure.. just open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get update" and press enter.. and share the results
[04:10] <overtone_> yeah it's sitll working now
[04:10] <usr13_> overtone_: Ok that is the first step.  see if it works after that.
[04:10] <holstein> overtone_: apt-get update doesnt update your computer... or the packages.. it updates the package list
[04:11] <overtone_> reedsorensen@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get update Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise InRelease Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates InRelease Ign http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports InRelease Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise Release.gpg Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-updates Release.gpg [198 B] Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise-backports Release.gpg [198 B] Ign http://security.ubu
[04:11] <holstein> !pastebin | overtone_
[04:11] <usr13_> overtone_: If it does not, go back to  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx   and follow instructions, (right below where it says, "11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) - 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal)"
[04:12] <overtone_> do i really need to go read those websites?
[04:12] <overtone_> i mean, no problem if so, but...
[04:12] <holstein> overtone_: you dont really *need* wifi
[04:12] <overtone_> ha good point
[04:12] <usr13_> overtone_: But see if it works first.  (You'll probably be told to reboot after the upgrades are done).
[04:12] <overtone_> hold on
[04:15] <overtone_> i'm going to try rebooting
[04:15] <overtone_> brb
[04:22] <overtone> hi i'm back
[04:22] <overtone> still not working
[04:22] <overtone> what was that about b43 firmware?
[04:25] <overtone> (or any other suggestions, of course...)
[04:26] <holstein> !broadcom | overtone
[04:26] <holstein> there are a few different packages you can try
[04:27] <holstein> i suggested the one i did because i have that chip and several other broadcoms and its the one that works best usually
[04:27] <holstein> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
[04:36] <overtone> hey guess what
[04:36] <overtone> i'm connected by wireless
[04:36] <overtone> !
[04:36] <holstein> yup... enjoy!
[04:36] <overtone> the "bcmwl" package did it
[04:36] <overtone> one other (relatively minor) issue
[04:37] <overtone> i downloaded something called 80211g on my desktop
[04:37] <overtone> and i says i don't have permission to delete it
[04:37] <holstein> sudo rm it
[04:37] <overtone> can you show me the command?
[04:37] <holstein> sudo rm /path/to/file
[04:38] <holstein> sudo rm ~/Desktop/802...
[04:38] <holstein> you should be able to type 802 and hit tab
[04:39] <Joe____> Hi, I am haveing trouble ejecting my external HD. I am in a "try xubuntu" mode so it is not installed at the moment.
[04:40] <overtone> it says:
[04:40] <holstein> Joe____: whats the trouble? i usually open the file manager and hit the ^ button for eject
[04:40] <overtone> "rm: cannot remove '/home/reedsorensen/Desktop/80211g;: Is a directory
[04:40] <holstein> Joe____: you can right click on the icon
[04:40] <holstein> overtone: sudo rmdir
[04:41] <holstein> overtone: nevermind.. lemme get you a commend
[04:41] <holstein> command*
[04:41] <overtone> and now: "rmdir: failed to remove '/home/reedsorensen/Desktop/80211g;: Directory not empty
[04:41] <overtone> ok
[04:41] <Joe____> ahh I was confused
[04:41] <Joe____> I figured it out ty
[04:42] <holstein> overtone: sudo rm -rf /home/reedsorensen/Desktop/80211g
[04:43] <holstein> overtone: you want to be *cautious* of that command.. the rm -rf
[04:43] <Joe____> Thankyou holstein, somehow the eject function magically started working after I logged in here^^
[04:43] <overtone> ok i was about to hit enter
[04:43] <holstein> overtone: if you sudo rm -rf break something you shouldnt.. it'll break it
[04:43] <overtone> what do you mean cautious?
[04:43] <holstein> overtone: anytime you are running sudo, you need to be cautious
[04:43] <overtone> yeah i just downloaded something from intell
[04:43] <overtone> 80211g is a result of that
[04:44] <overtone> so i think it should be fine
[04:44] <holstein> overtone: if you sudo rm -rf /important/files/that/ shouldnt be rm'd.. they will be rm'd and the install will break
[04:44] <overtone> wasn't essential to begin with
[04:44] <overtone> ok i'm going to go ahead
[04:44] <holstein> overtone: im not saying, nor implaying those files are important.. not understanding the command you are running and using it elsewhere could be bad
[04:45] <overtone> yeah that's one of those "known unknowns" for me
[04:45] <overtone> i'd check before running it again
[04:45] <holstein> google is your friend.. or come here and someone will give you a heads up
[04:45] <overtone> yeah this has been really helpful
[04:45] <overtone> (read: worked)
[04:46] <overtone> a couple of guys earlier today were totally useless
[04:46] <holstein> well, we are all volunteers, doing what we can
[04:46] <overtone> yeah i get that
[04:47] <overtone> yup it's gone now
[04:48] <overtone> i can't thank you enough
[04:48] <overtone> i've been working on this for the last 2 days
[04:48] <overtone> pending getting rid of xubuntu
[04:49] <holstein> consider how long you used whatever operating system you used before xubuntu without wifi.. and without understanding how to delete files
[04:50] <holstein> try and just give it time.. either it works for you or it doesnt.. but i assure you, it works
[04:51] <overtone> yep definitely a learning curve
[04:51] <overtone> any suggestions on books/reading material for how to get over that curve more quickly?
[04:51] <overtone> i'm fine with computers generally, but xubuntu is new to me
[04:52] <holstein> depends on what you are doing.. i say, just keep it simple.. and be patient and just ask here or in #ubuntu
[04:52] <overtone> alright
[04:52] <holstein> say what you want about ubuntu/cannonical.. the community is what keeps us all around here
[04:53] <overtone> i'd be more skeptical if you recommended i buy a book actually, because one of the reasons i've switched form windows is because it's open source lol
[04:53] <overtone> yup
[04:53] <overtone> thus, the reason i did xubuntu instead of lubuntu
[04:53] <overtone> who are you to this project, may i ask?
[04:53] <holstein> i bought a book.. "how linux works".. great read, but i could have gotten it all online
[04:54] <overtone> kk
[04:54] <holstein> i like having reference material like that, but it really depends.. i have some server specific books... etc
[04:54] <holstein> overtone: i am in a lot of support channels.. as a volunteer. i work a lot with ubuntustudio which has xfce as xubuntu does
[04:55] <overtone> ok sounds like that would come later, if at all
[04:55] <overtone> nice
[04:55] <overtone> well i appreciate the help
[04:55] <overtone> sleep time for now
[04:55] <holstein> overtone: anytime.. enjoy!
[04:55] <overtone> gotta reboot the brain
[05:26] <InsaneAsylum> Hi...
[05:29] <InsaneAsylum> bipolar when did they let you out?
[06:27] <yhusha> hmm the up and down arrow keys stopped working for up and down scrolling: the up and down arrow keys are what control audio volume when combined with "Fn"  and that still works thogh
[06:27] <yhusha> anything?
[06:27] <yhusha> the gui is e17
[06:42] <well_laid_lawn> yhusha: you can run   xev   in a termnial and see if the keys still work
[07:06] <yhusha> ok so did xev but none of it seemed to point toward a bad key
[07:08] <yhusha> http://pastebin.com/kfeLWtPG results for xev
[07:18] <yhusha> qwxd
[07:37] <XRS1> why do System Monitor and gparted report different values for drive space used / free?
[07:39] <XRS1> and my Compaq Evo n610c laptop fails to resume from sleep. all I get is a black desktop and a movable mouse cursor. how can i go about finding out why / fixing it?
[07:50] <TheSheep> XRS1: they look at the disk at different levels, gparted looks at the physical space, system monitor looks at free space in the filesystem
[07:50] <TheSheep> XRS1: I would search the forums for your laptop make and model
[07:50] <TheSheep> XRS1: or you can experiment with boot options
[07:50] <TheSheep> !boot | XRS1
[07:57] <XRS1> its an old laptop. not seeing anything about this issue. (sleep worked fine until i started using 12.10)
[08:35] <XRS1> well i figured out how to adjust the swappiness, remove cups from startup, and move /tmp to ram
[08:37] <XRS1> not seeing much about sleep problems in 12.10
[08:48] <Os_Maleus> hi together!
[08:48] <Os_Maleus> is anybody using Zotero in Firefox? how can it happen that I am not able to make notes to the datasets? do I need to install there some different tool?
[09:40] <Os_Maleus> baizon, bipolar, do are You using Zotero?
[09:52] <baizon> Os_Maleus: no
[11:49] <templari75> hi
[11:50] <templari75> is it possible to install Xubuntu from network
[11:51] <Unit193> Are you talking about mini.iso/netinst or PXE?
[11:59] <TheSheep> !install | templari75
[12:22] <templari75> thanks see u
[15:37] <barney> trying to get gnome-color-manager to start  .. it is fully installed but how do I view my current color profile?
[15:38] <GridCube> color profile?
[15:38] <GridCube> O_o thats for gnome
[15:39] <GridCube> you are not using gnome
[15:39] <barney> will it not function under xubuntu?
[15:40] <GridCube> why should it?
[15:40] <GridCube> its not gnome
[15:40] <barney> OK .. then how can I view my color profile?
[15:40] <GridCube> theres no color profile
[15:41] <GridCube> here, read this, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Colour_management
[15:41] <barney> Thanks .. will take a look
[15:51] <humpty> anyone familiar with kernel modules and the various crypto frameworks, or should i go bug the ubuntu channel?
[15:53] <knome> what about #ubuntu-kernel?
[15:53] <humpty> good advice!
[15:54] <barney> GridCube: Thanks .. becoming more clear ... how do I determine which monitor color profile is currently being used?
[15:55] <GridCube> i don't know sorry
[16:30] <xubuntu040> hello to all
[16:30] <knome> hullo.
[16:31] <xubuntu040> how much / space is needed for install xubuntu?
[16:32] <Pici> !requirements
[16:32] <knome> well actually, http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[16:32] <xubuntu040> thanks
[16:32] <knome> that faction seems to be outdated
[16:33] <drc> xubuntu040: remember, there is a difference between a "minimal" requirement and a "comfortable" one.
[16:33] <xubuntu040> i was had partition with 10gb and i get it full
[16:34] <Pici> knome: fix it then!
[16:34] <xubuntu040> now i repard on 25gb
[16:34] <knome> Pici, updated the factoid
[16:34] <drc> xubuntu040: did you have a seperate /home partition or was in included with /
[16:34] <Pici> knome: yay
[16:34] <knome> !requirements
[16:34] <knome> an...
[16:34] <xubuntu040> yes
[16:34] <knome> refixed.
[16:34] <xubuntu040> i haved 30gb home
[16:34] <drc> xubuntu040: yes to which?
[16:35] <drc> ah
[16:35] <drc> ok
[16:37] <a5m0> hi guys, i was trying to get opengl to work right on my intel 4000 graphics and ran this command, but now i boot to a black screen sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-core
[16:37] <a5m0> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-intel
[16:39] <GridCube> reinstall the xorg-core
[16:39] <duka1000> do u try startx command
[16:39] <a5m0> that's the second command i listed
[16:39] <a5m0> i have no cli duka1000
[16:40] <GridCube> a5m0, yes you do, press ctrl-alt-f1
[16:40] <a5m0> GridCube, nope screen is still black
[16:40] <GridCube> then you found a different problem than xorg related one
[16:40] <a5m0> i am also on xorg-edgers
[16:41] <a5m0> well that's all i did to cause this
[16:41] <a5m0> was trying to remove/install
[16:41] <GridCube> then you should be able to reach a tty
[16:42] <a5m0> i have over the network yes
[16:42] <a5m0> tried a reinstall, nothing changed
[16:42] <a5m0> startx -> /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc: 3: exec: /usr/bin/X: not found
[16:42] <GridCube> do whereis X
[16:43] <a5m0> X: /usr/share/man/man7/X.7.gz
[16:43] <GridCube> it should say, X: /usr/bin/X /usr/bin/X11/X /usr/share/man/man7/X.7.gz
[16:43] <GridCube> so you lost X
[16:43] <GridCube> i would recommend you to do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:44] <GridCube> it should reinstall everything for xubuntu to work again
[16:44] <a5m0> and bring back thunderbird and tumberld -_- but oh well, if it works i'd be happy
[16:44] <duka1000> do that command repair sistem?
[16:45] <GridCube> it should re-install everything, but i wont change config files
[16:46] <duka1000> thats great
[16:46] <duka1000> im noob here
[16:46] <duka1000> ;D
[16:46] <duka1000> i was many time do reinstall becose minor mestakes
[16:47] <a5m0> it doesn't do a full reinstall
[16:47] <GridCube> no, just the things that are missing
[16:47] <duka1000> i understaind that
[16:47] <duka1000> must go need to reboot
[16:47] <duka1000> :D
[16:48] <a5m0> this is closer to a full reinstall -> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -a
[16:48] <GridCube> good luck
[16:48] <a5m0> coll GridCube i've got a booting GUI again :D let's see if opengl wants to play nice now
[16:50] <GridCube> :)
[16:50] <GridCube> good luck to you too
[17:53] <koen_> does polkit prevent opening a serial line (ttyS0), even when the user part of the group 'dialout' and 'sudo'?
[18:18] <a5m0> are these drivers different than the xorg-edgers? http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ I'm looking for the best drivers so i can do some better gaming :/
[18:33] <pjotter> Hello everyone. Does anybody know of a recent problem concerning flash and Xubuntu? Most of the flashplayers (e.g. youtube) have suddenly become slow and buggy on every system that runs Xubuntu?
[18:38] <a5m0> pjotter, i have not noticed that on my laptop, what browser is this in?
[18:39] <pjotter> I use firefox
[18:39] <pjotter> I just noticed this about a week ago.
[18:39] <pjotter> Prior to that, everything worked fine.
[18:39] <a5m0> see how it is in chrome
[18:39] <a5m0> google supports their version of flash
[18:39] <pjotter> never installed it ;)... just a moment
[18:43] <pjotter> Yes, in Chrome, flash works as usual. The issue is with the new firefox then. Thanks ;)
[18:44] <a5m0> np
[18:44] <Yotson> nope, youtube is slow as normal here. (atom netbook, firefox)
[18:44] <a5m0> Yotson, chrome!
[18:45] <Yotson> yeahyeah. i'm stubborn. :P
[18:45] <pjotter> Maybe I'll revert to an older version of firefox.. or just wait for a new update taht fixes the problem.
[18:45] <pjotter> I still like good old firefox ;)
[19:42] <xubuntu820> hi guys i have downloaded the xubuntu software but dont know how to install it into a bootable cd...any help? thanks
[19:43] <baizon> xubuntu820: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[20:40] <EvanCarroll> how do I reset all of my XFCE4-panels?
[20:40] <EvanCarroll> I want them to go back to the default settings
[20:41] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, log in as guest, go to ~/.config/xfce4/panel replace all the files to /home/youruser/.config/xfce4/panel
[20:42] <GridCube> or delete all the files on ~/.config/xfce4/
[20:42] <GridCube> and relogin
[20:44] <EvanCarroll> I'm trying that, shouldn't just killing and restarting xfce4-panel work?
[20:44] <GridCube> noç
[20:45] <GridCube> s/ç//
[20:45] <EvanCarroll> 7~there is nothing in that folder.
[20:45] <EvanCarroll> directory*
[20:45] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, how did you tried to open it?
[20:47] <EvanCarroll> kill and restart
[20:47] <EvanCarroll> kill xfce4-panel ; xfce4-panel
[20:48] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, i mean the folder
[20:49] <GridCube> that wont help to restore configs
[20:49] <Unit193> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml too isn't it?
[20:49] <GridCube> it will just restart it
[20:49] <GridCube> Unit193, probably
[20:49] <GridCube> thats probably the one i was missing the other day
[20:55] <EvanCarroll> didn't work either.
[20:55] <EvanCarroll> fucking shit
[20:55] <EvanCarroll> this should not be this complex.
[20:56] <EvanCarroll> gconf-tool2 --recusive-unset /xfce4 should reset everything.
[20:56] <bazhang> EvanCarroll, no cursing
[21:04] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, just delete all the files under ~/.config/xfce4/ and relogin
[21:04] <GridCube> aint that hard
[21:04] <EvanCarroll> I don't want to relogin
[21:04] <EvanCarroll> How do I do it without that.
[21:04] <GridCube> you cant
[21:04] <GridCube> deal with it
[21:04] <Unit193> xfce4-panel -r
[21:05] <GridCube> Unit193, that wont reset panels to default settings
[21:05] <GridCube> he lost the settings, they need to be regenerated
[21:05] <Unit193> I'd bet not, but if you wanted to do it without logging out and back in, that's as close as you'll get (and may not work at all. :P )
[21:06] <EvanCarroll> you can't regenerate the settings without logging off? where are the old ones stored? I've nuked everything
[21:06] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, i told you already they are at ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[21:07] <GridCube> that means /home/yourusername/.config/xfce4/panel
[21:10] <EvanCarroll> That's clearly not true, unless they're being stored in memory and this program is establishing a socket connection.. I've nuked those files and restarted and it looks the same. They are being stored elsewhere.
[21:11]  * GridCube gives up
[21:13] <EvanCarroll> are you a user or a developer?
[21:13] <null1024> EvanCarroll: they'd be stored in memory, no logoff means it won't recheck things
[21:15] <EvanCarroll> that's nonsense.
[21:15] <EvanCarroll> figured it out.
[21:15] <EvanCarroll> killall xfconfd; killall xfce4-panel; rm -rf ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml; xfce4-panel;
[21:15] <EvanCarroll> Try it.
[21:16] <EvanCarroll> Bork your panel and run that.
[21:16] <EvanCarroll> actually you should probably switch the order of the killalls.
[21:17] <EvanCarroll> but anyway, xfconfd (a conf daemon) stores the /xfce4/xfconf settings in memory xfce4-panel talks to it using a socket. killing the panel, the daemon, removing the settings, and restarting the panel will do the job. It'll regenerate it without logging off.
[21:17] <puff> Afternoon.
[21:17] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, :D well i didnt knew that
[21:17] <EvanCarroll> now a better idea, why does something small like a panel, on somethign professedly light weight like XFCE requie a daemon.
[21:18] <GridCube> theres #xfce-devel for that question
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> GridCube: "I don't know" is acceptable, "you cant" is silly. that feature is pretty basic I just didn't undrestand that communication was done to a conf daemon.
[21:18] <GridCube> yes sorry 'bout that
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> np
[21:18] <EvanCarroll> thanks for the attempt anyway
[21:19] <EvanCarroll> that's really rather complex, so xfce4-panel stores it's stuff in both gconf2- stuff, and in the daemon?
[21:20] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, do you care if i use your workaround as a solution for that issue in the future (probably inluding it on the xubuntu's faq)?
[21:20] <EvanCarroll> I bet xfce4/xfce4-panel is legacy and not used at all.
[21:20] <EvanCarroll> Not at all. Anything I can do to help.
[21:20] <GridCube> :) great, thanks
[21:20] <EvanCarroll> I'm not sure what other programs talk to xfconfd
[21:22] <Unit193> EvanCarroll: xfce4-power-manager xfprint xfce4-session xfce4-notifyd thunar-volman xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts xfce4-mixer xfce4-appfinder xfce4-desktop ristretto xsettings xfwm4 displays xfce4-panel
[21:23] <Unit193> (At least, those all have channels on this computer)
[21:23] <EvanCarroll> Right, so killing xfconfd does what to them?
[21:23] <EvanCarroll> I have no idea.
[21:24] <GridCube> probably nothing if it comes back
[21:24] <EvanCarroll> The fucntionality to reload or drop settings from xfconfd is aparently not there yet. I killed it and let it reload from disk which drops the client programs.
[21:25] <EvanCarroll> I'd still like to know what xfce2 ships with xfconfd and gconf*
[21:25] <EvanCarroll> seems like a either way, I got what I wanted =)
[21:26] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/xfconf-query
[21:39] <puff> I've been trying to get an external monitor working with my thinkpad t520 running xubuntu 11.10.  I've installed the nvidia drivers but xserver segfaults.  Details at http://www.darksleep.com/puff/nvidia_segfault.txt. Anybody have (useful :-) advice?
[21:43] <EvanCarroll> GridCube: here is my write up of the answer http://askubuntu.com/a/224037/29097
[21:44] <EvanCarroll> puff: file the bug with X
[21:45] <GridCube> EvanCarroll, thank you very much :) this will probably get to the next xubuntu faq :)
[21:45] <GridCube> P: today we released the 12.10 ones
[21:46] <GridCube> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1210-quantal-quetzal/
[22:39] <Zelouille> Hello. I've posted some days ago about Maximus not working perfectly with Xfce. It don't remove the window-decorations of (most) opened windows, so you have to unmaximize then maximize in order do so.
[22:42] <Zelouille> I've dowloaded the sources and got it to compile. I've found the line that don't work properly. I got it to work fine (for me at least).
[22:48] <Zelouille> I'm not a developper at all, so... i need a bit help to make a usefull bugreport etc.
[22:53] <drc> Zelouille: Start here http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/  If you questions after that, I'm sure someone will help you.
[22:58] <Zelouille> drc, i'm gonna read that. Thank you.
[22:59] <drc> NP  Enjoy.
[23:12] <buar> hi, who can help me with driver for printer canon ip1800?
[23:13] <Unit193> buar: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersCanon ?
[23:14] <buar> i will try, but this model is not supported by company
[23:15] <Unit193> No idea about official methods, but there is this http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/10/how-to-install-canon-pixma-ip1800.html
[23:17] <buar> when i did it:"sudo apt-add-repository ppa:michael-gruz/canon
[23:17] <buar> sudo apt-get update
[23:17] <buar> sudo apt-get install cnijfilter-ip1800series"
[23:18] <buar> that write, that ppd is not find
[23:20] <buar> i think, there are some modification on this repository
[23:21] <Unit193> Doesn't have it up for Quantal, there may be a way to pull it in, but even this method isn't supported.
[23:24] <buar> unit193, if you do not complicate, help me with this page https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz
[23:24] <buar> this man can give this driver
[23:25] <buar> i should exit now, i return some minute
[23:30] <Unit193> Blast...
[23:31] <Unit193> Well it's in the oneiric repo at https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/canon/+files/cnijfilter-ip1800series_2.70-3ubuntu4_amd64.deb or https://launchpad.net/~michael-gruz/+archive/canon/+files/cnijfilter-ip1800series_2.70-3ubuntu4_i386.deb