/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/12/01/#ubuntu-za.txt

magespawnlater all, off to work04:55
Kiloshiya nlsthzn superfly and others05:14
nlsthzngood morning... or should I say it would be once I have gone and slept a few :)05:17
Kiloseish05:23
superflyhi Kilos 06:22
Kilosdid you darem get some sleep superfly ?06:29
superflyyes06:30
Kilossuperfly, server edition uses less resources to install hey?06:47
Kilos-im gonna try install 12.10 server on the 2 TB drive06:51
Kilos-grr maverick hung and no ctrl+alt+F1 or anything else06:52
Kilos-grrr06:52
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
Kilosaw kernel requires a X86-64 CPU and mine is a i68606:54
* Kilos cries06:54
Kiloshi mazal 07:09
mazalMôre oom07:09
Kiloswassup mazal 07:14
mazalBusy making breakfast07:14
Kiloshehe07:14
=== SmilyBorg_l1 is now known as SmilyBorg
=== SmilyBorg is now known as Guest52814
Kiloshi Guest52814 08:32
Kilosnot smiling?08:32
Kiloshi timkeller 08:54
Kilosbbl09:07
nuvolario/09:10
nuvolarialoha09:10
nuvolarihello from the DLUG end of year meeting09:10
superflyMoo09:58
mazalMaaz , extraneous09:59
Maazmazal: Huh?09:59
superflyMaaz: tell Kilos MOOOO09:59
Maazsuperfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode09:59
superflyhi mazal09:59
mazalHi superfly 09:59
mazalDo you know how I can use Maaz's dictionary09:59
mazalTrying to figure out a command in a man page , but dunno what extraneous means10:00
mazalMaaz , what does extraneous mean ?10:00
Maazmazal: Erk, dunno10:00
Kiloshaha superfly you pulling a cow on me?10:00
KilosMaaz, define extraneous10:01
MaazKilos: Extraneous \Ex*tra"ne*ous\, a. [L. extraneus, from extra. See {Extra-}, {Strange}.] Not belonging to, or dependent upon, a thing; without or beyond a thing; not essential or intrinsic; foreign; as, to separate gold from extraneous matter. [1913 Webster]  Nothing is admitted extraneous from the indictment. --Landor. -- {Ex*tra"ne*ous*ly}, adv. [1913 Webster],10:01
Maazextraneous adj 1: not pertinent to the matter under consideration; "an issue extraneous …10:01
Kilosnie relevant nie miskien mazal 10:01
mazalAg dankie oom Kilos 10:01
mazalNow I'm even more confused10:01
Kilosyw10:01
Kiloswhat a fat upgrade. 83M one hit10:02
mazalI want to add an option to my rsync scripts to delete files in the destination that doesn't exist on the source10:02
Kilossjoe and firefox and opera are locked to onld version10:02
mazalSo I'm thinking that I must add --delete10:02
Kilosadd --delete at the end i think10:02
mazalThat says "Deletes extraneous files"10:02
mazalThat's the closest I can get in the man page10:03
Kilosya thats it10:03
mazalNothing that says "files that don't exist"10:03
Kilosat the end of your command add --delete10:03
mazalk 10:03
superflyKilos: 83 megs is a slim upgrade... I remember doing an upgrade that totalled about 5 gigs10:03
Kilosouch superfly on what10:04
superflymazal: it means unnecessary files10:04
Kiloswin8\10:04
Kiloshehe10:04
superflyKilos: at the time, Kubuntu, over 3G10:04
Kiloswow so big10:04
Kilosyou must have tons of stuff that upgrades10:05
superflyI had lots of games installed10:05
Kilosah10:05
Kilosi just installed 12.04 kde on a 500GB drive so i can fight the 2 TB from there10:06
Kiloswish all these big drives were mine10:06
Kilosdunno what id do with them though10:06
Kilosso lekker i just drag/dropped /packsp/ from here on unity to the kde desktop10:08
mazalDit werkie :(10:08
Kilosso cheap update/upgrade coming10:08
Kilossjoe10:09
Kiloswag ek soek bietji10:09
Kilose10:09
Kilosaw wrong drive10:10
Kilosit must work man10:10
Kiloswhats your full command10:10
mazalI have put the --delete in 3 different places now , but don't wonna work10:10
mazalrsync -av --delete /source/ /destination10:11
Kilosi wonder if -av makes a diffs10:11
mazalI have tried the --delete infrom of the -av as well and at the back of the command as well10:11
mazalinfront even10:11
Kilossudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /destination/ --delete10:12
mazalThat don't work10:13
mazalDid try it at the back10:13
Kiloswait i go check on maverick. got the commands somewhere10:13
mazalThat's why I hate man pages10:13
Kilosthen the files you want out arent extraneous10:13
mazalThey don't really help10:13
superflyeish, Kilos and rsync...10:13
Kiloshehe10:14
Kilossaves me tons of data superfly 10:14
Kilostons and tons10:14
psydroidhi Kilos mazal and superfly10:14
mazalLo psydroid 10:14
Kilos3.7gig precise 10:14
Kiloshi psydroid 10:14
mazalGonna go look for an example on google10:14
mazalThis seems interesting :10:16
mazal"If the sending side detects any I/O errors, then the deletion of any files at the destination will be automatically disabled. This is to prevent temporary filesystem fail‐10:16
mazalures (such as NFS errors) on the sending side from causing a massive deletion of files on the destination. You can override this with the --ignore-errors option.10:16
mazalWith --ignore-errors added the old files in my home were finally deleted. I think this is because I always would have at least one error from a Firefox temp file or some such that had vanished while rsync was running. I hope this helps someone- this was driving me nuts for a while."10:16
mazalGonna try that10:16
superflyThat's a dangerous option10:17
Kilossjoe now you got syncd errors too10:18
Kilosoh superfly can i run my kde backup on to ians drive or will it cause errors looking for miles10:20
superflyKilos: I'm not sure what you mean?10:22
Kilosi have a backup of my kubuntu and was wondering if it would work onto the kubuntu i just installed for him on his drive10:23
Kilosas in can you use your backup to the pros pc?10:24
mazalhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/1401629/10:25
mazalThat's how it looks now , and it works10:25
superflyKilos: how do you, "use your backup to ..."?10:25
Kilosoh ok. superfly you make a backup of your pc to a stick and then give it to someone else10:26
superflyand then...?10:26
Kiloscan they use it without it looking for raoul10:27
Kilosthey use it to backup onto their pc10:27
Kilosas  in it will have all your settings etc10:27
Kilosfor quassel and the pidgin equivalent thing you use10:28
Kilossomething k. i forget 10:28
Kiloswhew this is hard to explain10:29
Kilosas in i use a backup from my kde drive to unity and it gave it 10 workspaces10:30
mazalEk ga eers kos soek10:31
Symmetriaugh10:43
Symmetriaheh, coding this bgp listener is interesting, but a lot more work than I thought, the number of headers involved in bgp are... substantial, and half of them are variable length things 10:43
Symmetriahelluva lot of bit checking as well to figure out which headers you are using10:44
Kiloswbb11:03
Symmetrialol, decided Im gonna get lazy and hack quagga bgpd 11:03
Symmetriato do what I ned11:03
Kerberohehe12:18
Kerberogood luck12:18
=== WOLFEYES is now known as Kilos
Kilosafternoon peeps12:37
Kilossigh quassel without sound again12:40
KilosMaaz: seen inetpro12:40
MaazKilos: inetpro was last seen 14 hours, 50 minutes and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-30 13:50:22 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-11-21 16:15:22 PST12:40
Kilosso mazal what did i miss12:42
Kilosoh my. no one talking to me12:54
* Kilos sulks12:54
superflytumbleweed: ping (if you're around)14:06
superflytumbleweed: unping (I answered my own question)14:07
tumbleweedsuperfly: :)15:11
nlsthznlol16:06
Kilosevening peeps16:26
superflyhi Kilos16:32
Kiloshiya superfly: running kde here on a 500GB drive of ians and testdisk foremost and photorec are working great and quick16:33
superflyKilos: cool beans16:34
Kilosdunno what his client is gonna say when they get it back without winsucks on16:34
Kiloshehe16:34
Kilosbut ive lost the little desktop window16:34
Kilosgot all the commands on it16:35
Kilossigh16:35
Kilosactually funny16:35
Symmetriawooot hacked up code ftw 16:35
Kilossame happened on my kde drive16:35
Symmetriaheh, so, I figured a nice solutions to my bgp logging stuff16:35
Kilosyou winning Symmetria16:36
Kilos?16:36
SymmetriaI haxed the quagga daemon so that instead of debugging to terminal, it could debug to database, and then just added the additional fields I needed logged to the debugging code16:36
Symmetriaand then just forced debug always on :p16:36
Symmetriakilos lol, yeah, Im winning by cheating :p16:36
Kilosah16:36
Kilosif it works thats ok16:36
Kilosi restart quick16:50
KilosMaaz: coffee on17:03
* Maaz puts the kettle on17:03
superflyMaaz: coffee please17:06
Maazsuperfly: Righto17:06
MaazCoffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!17:07
KilosMaaz: thank you17:07
MaazKilos: Sure17:07
superflyMaaz: baie dankie17:11
MaazPlesier superfly17:11
Kiloswhew no one with anything to say18:48
kodezgreetings everyone18:48
Kiloshi kodez18:58
kodezhi kilos, how are you?18:58
Kilosgood ty and you kodez18:58
kodezi am better than yesterday, thanks for asking18:59
Kiloswhats was wrong yesterday?18:59
kodezi am learning jquery-mobile and i can safely say, i have a nice learning curve18:59
Kilosgood19:00
Kilosinetpro: ping19:00
* inetpro stretches his self19:01
inetprogood morning Kilos19:01
Kiloshmmm he's ducking the bullets19:01
Kiloshehe19:01
inetprowhat's up doc?19:01
Kiloswere you asleep inetpro?19:01
inetpronee19:02
inetpronie regtig nie19:02
inetprobut just came into the channel a few minutes ago19:02
inetprowas busy reading the backlogs19:02
Kilosi need help with same missing little desktop window19:02
inetproai19:02
Kilosbeen hunting for hours19:02
inetproforget it Kilos, you don't really need it19:03
inetpronlsthzn: wb19:03
nlsthznhey inetpro , thanks :)19:03
Kiloshi nlsthzn19:03
nlsthznhiya uncle Kilos 19:03
Kilosman how do i drag and drop stuff to and from desktop then19:03
inetprowhy?19:04
Kilosor does the main one work now that the little one is gone19:04
inetprowhy does anyone ever want to drag and drop stuff from the desktop?19:04
Kilosonto other drives etc19:04
inetproKilos: when you are in Dolphin you just press F319:05
Kilosotherwise i gotta work out paths and commands19:05
inetprothen you have can set two different folder destinations and drag and drop with ease19:05
Kilosah that be kinda clever19:06
Kilosty19:06
inetprolike midnight commander from back in the old days19:06
Kilosnever heard ot it19:06
Kilosof either19:06
inetproai19:07
Kiloshiya magtie19:07
inetpromagtie: goeie naand19:07
magtiehi almal19:07
nlsthznalo19:08
inetpronlsthzn: what's up doc?19:09
Kilosnlsthzn: you kan say tannie19:09
Kilosshe be my size19:09
Kiloshehe19:09
nlsthznheya auntie magtie , welcome :)19:10
nlsthzninetpro, not to much... on leave at the moment so feeling good :)19:10
Kiloslekker hey19:10
inetpromooi19:10
Kiloswonder what magespawnis up to19:15
Kilospoaching again19:15
Kiloshey smile4everyou up late19:15
Kilosmmm quassel bit behind xchat i see19:16
Kilosonly adds space after tab nick complete if you strat with the nick19:17
Kilosstart19:17
smile4everdoei! :p19:33
inetprosmile4ever: dit is somer in Suid Afrika19:35
smile4ever:)19:35
inetproai19:36
inetpro01/12 00:22:08 <smile> Is er al snow in suid-afrika?19:36
inetproKilos: die arme knapie weet seker nie eens waar ons bly nie19:37
Kiloswie inetpro?19:38
inetprodie smile knapie19:38
Kiloso 19:38
inetproKilos: ^^19:38
Kiloshy het my blog gelees19:38
inetproen?19:39
inetprowat het dit met sneeu uit te waai?19:39
Kiloslol dit was in die begin toe hy ons net gevind het19:39
Kiloshyt my hele tyd ge pm19:39
Kilostoe gee ek hom die blog om besig te hou19:40
inetproKilos: 01/12 00:22:08 <smile> Is er al snow in suid-afrika?19:40
Kilosen dit se ek is in pta19:40
inetproKilos: dit was vanoggend19:40
Kiloshahaha19:40
Kilossal my epos addy vir hom gee19:40
Kiloslyk my nie die vlieg hou van rsync nie19:41
inetproKilos: hoekom?19:41
Kiloswag19:41
Kiloseish verkeerde skyf19:42
Kiloshyt gese eish kilos you and your rsync19:42
Kiloshaha19:42
inetproKilos: in watter konteks?19:44
Kilosmaybe he has a beter tool19:44
inetpromiskien jy gebruik dit verkeerd?19:44
Kilosek en mazal het gepraat van rsync waarmee hy nie kon --delete nie19:44
Kilosgaan lees die logs man19:45
Kilosof skim hulle en kom trap my weer uit19:45
inetproai19:46
Kiloswat is verkeerd met19:46
Kilossudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /destination/19:46
Kilosinetpro: ^^19:47
Kilosn vriend het my so geleer19:47
inetproKilos: ai19:51
Kilosinetpro: wat nou19:51
Kilosai19:51
Kiloshet hy my verkeerd geleer19:52
inetpronie regtig nie19:52
inetpromaar dit is belankrik om die ding te verstaan en nie mense dinge laat doen sonder om te waarsku19:53
inetprodinge kan maklik skeef loop19:53
inetpromaklik om foutiewe opsies te gebruik19:53
inetpromaar lyk my mazal het reggekom19:54
* inetpro het nog nooit --ignore-error nodig gehad nie19:55
inetproif you use rsync I would recommend that you always use the -n option to do a dry run before you do the real thing19:57
inetproKilos: nou wat nou?19:59
Kilosek besig om sudo gedit /etc/scalpel/scalpel.conf19:59
Kilosmakliker as kate20:00
inetproKilos: hoekom sudo gedit ...?20:00
Kilosdis in my blog so gewees20:00
Kilosen kde het nie gedit nie20:01
Kilosto instaleer ek dit20:01
inetproKilos: as jy nie van vi hou nie kan jy altyd nano gebruik20:01
Kiloslol, wat is fout met gedit20:02
inetproas jy sudo gebruik is jy op die cli20:02
inetprohoekom nie 'n cli editor gebruik nie?20:02
Kilosek moet nog leer20:03
* mazal like nano20:03
mazalHallo julle20:03
inetproKilos: tik die volgende20:04
inetpronano kilos.txt20:04
mazalOom Kilos jy moet eintlik nooit 'n gui editor gebruik vir scripts nie20:04
mazalSommige verander die formatting en dan werk die script nie20:05
Kilosai20:05
Kilosgedit werk nog altyd vir my20:05
inetprodankie mazal20:05
Kilosinetpro: jy het my geleer daarmee20:05
inetproKilos: dit was destyds toe jy nog nie geweet het van cli nie20:05
Kilostoe ek nog dommer as nou was20:06
mazalEk het eenkeer my alie af gesukkel , en toe ek eventually my script in vi oopmaak toe sien ek hy is vol weird karakters wat nie in die gui gewys het nie20:06
mazalEn dan is daar die afkap van lang lyne ook wat pla20:06
Kilossjoe20:07
inetproKilos: onthou jy hoeveel keer ek probeer het om jou van vi te leer?20:07
mazalVan daai dag is dit net nano of vi vir my20:08
Kiloswel dan was ek vir n hele klompie jare net gelukkig20:08
Kilosja man en vim20:08
Kilosdit bly nie in kop nie20:08
mazalEk het geen idee wat met die formatting gebeur het nie , maar al wat ek weet die weird karakters het nie gewys in die hui editor nie20:08
Kilostot die slng kon nie hou vas kry nie20:09
inetprolol20:09
mazalEkke gaan inkruip20:11
mazalLekker slaap almal20:11
mazalSleep well everyone20:12
inetprona mazal20:12
inetpronag*20:12
Kilosnag julle almal. ek gaan dyk nou20:19
Kilossal more weer kom loer20:19
Kiloslekker slaap20:19
Kilosnag goosie20:19
nlsthznnight all20:24

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