[04:55] <magespawn> later all, off to work
[05:14] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn superfly and others
[05:17] <nlsthzn> good morning... or should I say it would be once I have gone and slept a few :)
[05:23] <Kilos> eish
[06:22] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[06:29] <Kilos> did you darem get some sleep superfly ?
[06:30] <superfly> yes
[06:47] <Kilos> superfly, server edition uses less resources to install hey?
[06:51] <Kilos-> im gonna try install 12.10 server on the 2 TB drive
[06:52] <Kilos-> grr maverick hung and no ctrl+alt+F1 or anything else
[06:52] <Kilos-> grrr
[06:54] <Kilos> aw kernel requires a X86-64 CPU and mine is a i686
[06:54]  * Kilos cries
[07:09] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:09] <mazal> Môre oom
[07:14] <Kilos> wassup mazal 
[07:14] <mazal> Busy making breakfast
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[08:32] <Kilos> hi Guest52814 
[08:32] <Kilos> not smiling?
[08:54] <Kilos> hi timkeller 
[09:07] <Kilos> bbl
[09:10] <nuvolari> o/
[09:10] <nuvolari> aloha
[09:10] <nuvolari> hello from the DLUG end of year meeting
[09:58] <superfly> Moo
[09:59] <mazal> Maaz , extraneous
[09:59] <Maaz> mazal: Huh?
[09:59] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos MOOOO
[09:59] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[09:59] <superfly> hi mazal
[09:59] <mazal> Hi superfly 
[09:59] <mazal> Do you know how I can use Maaz's dictionary
[10:00] <mazal> Trying to figure out a command in a man page , but dunno what extraneous means
[10:00] <mazal> Maaz , what does extraneous mean ?
[10:00] <Maaz> mazal: Erk, dunno
[10:00] <Kilos> haha superfly you pulling a cow on me?
[10:01] <Kilos> Maaz, define extraneous
[10:01] <Maaz> Kilos: Extraneous \Ex*tra"ne*ous\, a. [L. extraneus, from extra. See {Extra-}, {Strange}.] Not belonging to, or dependent upon, a thing; without or beyond a thing; not essential or intrinsic; foreign; as, to separate gold from extraneous matter. [1913 Webster]  Nothing is admitted extraneous from the indictment. --Landor. -- {Ex*tra"ne*ous*ly}, adv. [1913 Webster],
[10:01] <Maaz> extraneous adj 1: not pertinent to the matter under consideration; "an issue extraneous …
[10:01] <Kilos> nie relevant nie miskien mazal 
[10:01] <mazal> Ag dankie oom Kilos 
[10:01] <mazal> Now I'm even more confused
[10:01] <Kilos> yw
[10:02] <Kilos> what a fat upgrade. 83M one hit
[10:02] <mazal> I want to add an option to my rsync scripts to delete files in the destination that doesn't exist on the source
[10:02] <Kilos> sjoe and firefox and opera are locked to onld version
[10:02] <mazal> So I'm thinking that I must add --delete
[10:02] <Kilos> add --delete at the end i think
[10:02] <mazal> That says "Deletes extraneous files"
[10:03] <mazal> That's the closest I can get in the man page
[10:03] <Kilos> ya thats it
[10:03] <mazal> Nothing that says "files that don't exist"
[10:03] <Kilos> at the end of your command add --delete
[10:03] <mazal> k 
[10:03] <superfly> Kilos: 83 megs is a slim upgrade... I remember doing an upgrade that totalled about 5 gigs
[10:04] <Kilos> ouch superfly on what
[10:04] <superfly> mazal: it means unnecessary files
[10:04] <Kilos> win8\
[10:04] <Kilos> hehe
[10:04] <superfly> Kilos: at the time, Kubuntu, over 3G
[10:04] <Kilos> wow so big
[10:05] <Kilos> you must have tons of stuff that upgrades
[10:05] <superfly> I had lots of games installed
[10:05] <Kilos> ah
[10:06] <Kilos> i just installed 12.04 kde on a 500GB drive so i can fight the 2 TB from there
[10:06] <Kilos> wish all these big drives were mine
[10:06] <Kilos> dunno what id do with them though
[10:08] <Kilos> so lekker i just drag/dropped /packsp/ from here on unity to the kde desktop
[10:08] <mazal> Dit werkie :(
[10:08] <Kilos> so cheap update/upgrade coming
[10:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:09] <Kilos> wag ek soek bietji
[10:09] <Kilos> e
[10:10] <Kilos> aw wrong drive
[10:10] <Kilos> it must work man
[10:10] <Kilos> whats your full command
[10:10] <mazal> I have put the --delete in 3 different places now , but don't wonna work
[10:11] <mazal> rsync -av --delete /source/ /destination
[10:11] <Kilos> i wonder if -av makes a diffs
[10:11] <mazal> I have tried the --delete infrom of the -av as well and at the back of the command as well
[10:11] <mazal> infront even
[10:12] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /destination/ --delete
[10:13] <mazal> That don't work
[10:13] <mazal> Did try it at the back
[10:13] <Kilos> wait i go check on maverick. got the commands somewhere
[10:13] <mazal> That's why I hate man pages
[10:13] <Kilos> then the files you want out arent extraneous
[10:13] <mazal> They don't really help
[10:13] <superfly> eish, Kilos and rsync...
[10:14] <Kilos> hehe
[10:14] <Kilos> saves me tons of data superfly 
[10:14] <Kilos> tons and tons
[10:14] <psydroid> hi Kilos mazal and superfly
[10:14] <mazal> Lo psydroid 
[10:14] <Kilos> 3.7gig precise 
[10:14] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[10:14] <mazal> Gonna go look for an example on google
[10:16] <mazal> This seems interesting :
[10:16] <mazal> "If the sending side detects any I/O errors, then the deletion of any files at the destination will be automatically disabled. This is to prevent temporary filesystem fail‐
[10:16] <mazal> ures (such as NFS errors) on the sending side from causing a massive deletion of files on the destination. You can override this with the --ignore-errors option.
[10:16] <mazal> With --ignore-errors added the old files in my home were finally deleted. I think this is because I always would have at least one error from a Firefox temp file or some such that had vanished while rsync was running. I hope this helps someone- this was driving me nuts for a while."
[10:16] <mazal> Gonna try that
[10:17] <superfly> That's a dangerous option
[10:18] <Kilos> sjoe now you got syncd errors too
[10:20] <Kilos> oh superfly can i run my kde backup on to ians drive or will it cause errors looking for miles
[10:22] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not sure what you mean?
[10:23] <Kilos> i have a backup of my kubuntu and was wondering if it would work onto the kubuntu i just installed for him on his drive
[10:24] <Kilos> as in can you use your backup to the pros pc?
[10:25] <mazal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1401629/
[10:25] <mazal> That's how it looks now , and it works
[10:25] <superfly> Kilos: how do you, "use your backup to ..."?
[10:26] <Kilos> oh ok. superfly you make a backup of your pc to a stick and then give it to someone else
[10:26] <superfly> and then...?
[10:27] <Kilos> can they use it without it looking for raoul
[10:27] <Kilos> they use it to backup onto their pc
[10:27] <Kilos> as  in it will have all your settings etc
[10:28] <Kilos> for quassel and the pidgin equivalent thing you use
[10:28] <Kilos> something k. i forget 
[10:29] <Kilos> whew this is hard to explain
[10:30] <Kilos> as in i use a backup from my kde drive to unity and it gave it 10 workspaces
[10:31] <mazal> Ek ga eers kos soek
[10:43] <Symmetria> ugh
[10:43] <Symmetria> heh, coding this bgp listener is interesting, but a lot more work than I thought, the number of headers involved in bgp are... substantial, and half of them are variable length things 
[10:44] <Symmetria> helluva lot of bit checking as well to figure out which headers you are using
[11:03] <Kilos> wbb
[11:03] <Symmetria> lol, decided Im gonna get lazy and hack quagga bgpd 
[11:03] <Symmetria> to do what I ned
[12:18] <Kerbero> hehe
[12:18] <Kerbero> good luck
[12:37] <Kilos> afternoon peeps
[12:40] <Kilos> sigh quassel without sound again
[12:40] <Kilos> Maaz: seen inetpro
[12:40] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 14 hours, 50 minutes and 22 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-30 13:50:22 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-11-21 16:15:22 PST
[12:42] <Kilos> so mazal what did i miss
[12:54] <Kilos> oh my. no one talking to me
[12:54]  * Kilos sulks
[14:06] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping (if you're around)
[14:07] <superfly> tumbleweed: unping (I answered my own question)
[15:11] <tumbleweed> superfly: :)
[16:06] <nlsthzn> lol
[16:26] <Kilos> evening peeps
[16:32] <superfly> hi Kilos
[16:33] <Kilos> hiya superfly: running kde here on a 500GB drive of ians and testdisk foremost and photorec are working great and quick
[16:34] <superfly> Kilos: cool beans
[16:34] <Kilos> dunno what his client is gonna say when they get it back without winsucks on
[16:34] <Kilos> hehe
[16:34] <Kilos> but ive lost the little desktop window
[16:35] <Kilos> got all the commands on it
[16:35] <Kilos> sigh
[16:35] <Kilos> actually funny
[16:35] <Symmetria> wooot hacked up code ftw 
[16:35] <Kilos> same happened on my kde drive
[16:35] <Symmetria> heh, so, I figured a nice solutions to my bgp logging stuff
[16:36] <Kilos> you winning Symmetria
[16:36] <Kilos> ?
[16:36] <Symmetria> I haxed the quagga daemon so that instead of debugging to terminal, it could debug to database, and then just added the additional fields I needed logged to the debugging code
[16:36] <Symmetria> and then just forced debug always on :p
[16:36] <Symmetria> kilos lol, yeah, Im winning by cheating :p
[16:36] <Kilos> ah
[16:36] <Kilos> if it works thats ok
[16:50] <Kilos> i restart quick
[17:03] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[17:03]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:06] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[17:06] <Maaz> superfly: Righto
[17:07] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and superfly!
[17:07] <Kilos> Maaz: thank you
[17:07] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[17:11] <superfly> Maaz: baie dankie
[17:11] <Maaz> Plesier superfly
[18:48] <Kilos> whew no one with anything to say
[18:48] <kodez> greetings everyone
[18:58] <Kilos> hi kodez
[18:58] <kodez> hi kilos, how are you?
[18:58] <Kilos> good ty and you kodez
[18:59] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking
[18:59] <Kilos> whats was wrong yesterday?
[18:59] <kodez> i am learning jquery-mobile and i can safely say, i have a nice learning curve
[19:00] <Kilos> good
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro: ping
[19:01]  * inetpro stretches his self
[19:01] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[19:01] <Kilos> hmmm he's ducking the bullets
[19:01] <Kilos> hehe
[19:01] <inetpro> what's up doc?
[19:01] <Kilos> were you asleep inetpro?
[19:02] <inetpro> nee
[19:02] <inetpro> nie regtig nie
[19:02] <inetpro> but just came into the channel a few minutes ago
[19:02] <inetpro> was busy reading the backlogs
[19:02] <Kilos> i need help with same missing little desktop window
[19:02] <inetpro> ai
[19:02] <Kilos> been hunting for hours
[19:03] <inetpro> forget it Kilos, you don't really need it
[19:03] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[19:03] <nlsthzn> hey inetpro , thanks :)
[19:03] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[19:03] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos 
[19:03] <Kilos> man how do i drag and drop stuff to and from desktop then
[19:04] <inetpro> why?
[19:04] <Kilos> or does the main one work now that the little one is gone
[19:04] <inetpro> why does anyone ever want to drag and drop stuff from the desktop?
[19:04] <Kilos> onto other drives etc
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: when you are in Dolphin you just press F3
[19:05] <Kilos> otherwise i gotta work out paths and commands
[19:05] <inetpro> then you have can set two different folder destinations and drag and drop with ease
[19:06] <Kilos> ah that be kinda clever
[19:06] <Kilos> ty
[19:06] <inetpro> like midnight commander from back in the old days
[19:06] <Kilos> never heard ot it
[19:06] <Kilos> of either
[19:07] <inetpro> ai
[19:07] <Kilos> hiya magtie
[19:07] <inetpro> magtie: goeie naand
[19:07] <magtie> hi almal
[19:08] <nlsthzn> alo
[19:09] <inetpro> nlsthzn: what's up doc?
[19:09] <Kilos> nlsthzn: you kan say tannie
[19:09] <Kilos> she be my size
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe
[19:10] <nlsthzn> heya auntie magtie , welcome :)
[19:10] <nlsthzn> inetpro, not to much... on leave at the moment so feeling good :)
[19:10] <Kilos> lekker hey
[19:10] <inetpro> mooi
[19:15] <Kilos> wonder what magespawnis up to
[19:15] <Kilos> poaching again
[19:15] <Kilos> hey smile4everyou up late
[19:16] <Kilos> mmm quassel bit behind xchat i see
[19:17] <Kilos> only adds space after tab nick complete if you strat with the nick
[19:17] <Kilos> start
[19:33] <smile4ever> doei! :p
[19:35] <inetpro> smile4ever: dit is somer in Suid Afrika
[19:35] <smile4ever> :)
[19:36] <inetpro> ai
[19:36] <inetpro> 01/12 00:22:08 <smile> Is er al snow in suid-afrika?
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: die arme knapie weet seker nie eens waar ons bly nie
[19:38] <Kilos> wie inetpro?
[19:38] <inetpro> die smile knapie
[19:38] <Kilos> o 
[19:38] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[19:38] <Kilos> hy het my blog gelees
[19:39] <inetpro> en?
[19:39] <inetpro> wat het dit met sneeu uit te waai?
[19:39] <Kilos> lol dit was in die begin toe hy ons net gevind het
[19:39] <Kilos> hyt my hele tyd ge pm
[19:40] <Kilos> toe gee ek hom die blog om besig te hou
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: 01/12 00:22:08 <smile> Is er al snow in suid-afrika?
[19:40] <Kilos> en dit se ek is in pta
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: dit was vanoggend
[19:40] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:40] <Kilos> sal my epos addy vir hom gee
[19:41] <Kilos> lyk my nie die vlieg hou van rsync nie
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom?
[19:41] <Kilos> wag
[19:42] <Kilos> eish verkeerde skyf
[19:42] <Kilos> hyt gese eish kilos you and your rsync
[19:42] <Kilos> haha
[19:44] <inetpro> Kilos: in watter konteks?
[19:44] <Kilos> maybe he has a beter tool
[19:44] <inetpro> miskien jy gebruik dit verkeerd?
[19:44] <Kilos> ek en mazal het gepraat van rsync waarmee hy nie kon --delete nie
[19:45] <Kilos> gaan lees die logs man
[19:45] <Kilos> of skim hulle en kom trap my weer uit
[19:46] <inetpro> ai
[19:46] <Kilos> wat is verkeerd met
[19:46] <Kilos> sudo rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /destination/
[19:47] <Kilos> inetpro: ^^
[19:47] <Kilos> n vriend het my so geleer
[19:51] <inetpro> Kilos: ai
[19:51] <Kilos> inetpro: wat nou
[19:51] <Kilos> ai
[19:52] <Kilos> het hy my verkeerd geleer
[19:52] <inetpro> nie regtig nie
[19:53] <inetpro> maar dit is belankrik om die ding te verstaan en nie mense dinge laat doen sonder om te waarsku
[19:53] <inetpro> dinge kan maklik skeef loop
[19:53] <inetpro> maklik om foutiewe opsies te gebruik
[19:54] <inetpro> maar lyk my mazal het reggekom
[19:55]  * inetpro het nog nooit --ignore-error nodig gehad nie
[19:57] <inetpro> if you use rsync I would recommend that you always use the -n option to do a dry run before you do the real thing
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: nou wat nou?
[19:59] <Kilos> ek besig om sudo gedit /etc/scalpel/scalpel.conf
[20:00] <Kilos> makliker as kate
[20:00] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom sudo gedit ...?
[20:00] <Kilos> dis in my blog so gewees
[20:01] <Kilos> en kde het nie gedit nie
[20:01] <Kilos> to instaleer ek dit
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: as jy nie van vi hou nie kan jy altyd nano gebruik
[20:02] <Kilos> lol, wat is fout met gedit
[20:02] <inetpro> as jy sudo gebruik is jy op die cli
[20:02] <inetpro> hoekom nie 'n cli editor gebruik nie?
[20:03] <Kilos> ek moet nog leer
[20:03]  * mazal like nano
[20:03] <mazal> Hallo julle
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: tik die volgende
[20:04] <inetpro> nano kilos.txt
[20:04] <mazal> Oom Kilos jy moet eintlik nooit 'n gui editor gebruik vir scripts nie
[20:05] <mazal> Sommige verander die formatting en dan werk die script nie
[20:05] <Kilos> ai
[20:05] <Kilos> gedit werk nog altyd vir my
[20:05] <inetpro> dankie mazal
[20:05] <Kilos> inetpro: jy het my geleer daarmee
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: dit was destyds toe jy nog nie geweet het van cli nie
[20:06] <Kilos> toe ek nog dommer as nou was
[20:06] <mazal> Ek het eenkeer my alie af gesukkel , en toe ek eventually my script in vi oopmaak toe sien ek hy is vol weird karakters wat nie in die gui gewys het nie
[20:06] <mazal> En dan is daar die afkap van lang lyne ook wat pla
[20:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: onthou jy hoeveel keer ek probeer het om jou van vi te leer?
[20:08] <mazal> Van daai dag is dit net nano of vi vir my
[20:08] <Kilos> wel dan was ek vir n hele klompie jare net gelukkig
[20:08] <Kilos> ja man en vim
[20:08] <Kilos> dit bly nie in kop nie
[20:08] <mazal> Ek het geen idee wat met die formatting gebeur het nie , maar al wat ek weet die weird karakters het nie gewys in die hui editor nie
[20:09] <Kilos> tot die slng kon nie hou vas kry nie
[20:09] <inetpro> lol
[20:11] <mazal> Ekke gaan inkruip
[20:11] <mazal> Lekker slaap almal
[20:12] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[20:12] <inetpro> na mazal
[20:12] <inetpro> nag*
[20:19] <Kilos> nag julle almal. ek gaan dyk nou
[20:19] <Kilos> sal more weer kom loer
[20:19] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[20:19] <Kilos> nag goosie
[20:24] <nlsthzn> night all