[00:13] <MechanisM> Hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? I'm tried "sudo update-manager -d" it's showing popup with progress of apt-get update and then shows me option to upgrade to 13.04. I'm apllying, it's asks sudo password and disappearing.
[00:14] <MechanisM> Nothing happens
[02:14] <mspencer> Hi, when I tried running ubuntu-bug -w on nautilus, I got the error "This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again." This occured in an install from a recent daily build ISO. I need to be able to use ubuntu-bug because I'm working on a bug fix in apport and need to be able to test it. Why is this happening and how do I fix it?
[02:16] <mspencer> The version of nautilus shown by apt-cache is 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu2
[03:30] <MechanisM> hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? "update-manager -d" doesn't works for me.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:57] <penguin42> Hey BK
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hi penguin42
[14:09] <BluesKaj> wiped my 13.04 partition , it's become an exercise in frustration
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hope the alpha fixes the 3.7 kernel modules
[14:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What are you seeing?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> nothing , the 3.7 kernel w=quits at my KB recognition the live daily cd doesn't get past the install menu page'[
[14:14] <penguin42> managed to get any diagnostics from it?
[14:14] <BluesKaj> no
[14:14] <penguin42> hmm
[14:14] <BluesKaj> nop error messages
[14:14] <penguin42> ok two suggestions; try the ubuntu-server daily cd and see if you can get any text output; and second idea is try a 3.7.x on your current installs
[14:15] <BluesKaj> no , I wont , I'm using 12.10 on a the same pc
[14:16] <penguin42> ok; could try installing a 3.7.x on 12.10; you can still select the standard kernel from grub
[14:17]  * penguin42 has the opposite problem; my dad's machine won't boot with the standard 12.10 kernel
[14:18] <BluesKaj> ummer
[14:18] <penguin42> works fine on 3.7.x
[14:19] <BluesKaj> err bummer ...seems to be a HW kernel source driver problem
[14:19] <penguin42> yeh that one is an intel graphics on sandybridge problem
[14:20] <BluesKaj> penguin42, so you added the 3.7 and dumped the 3.5?
[14:20] <penguin42> just added the 3.7, and it takes the default place on Grub, the other one is still there if I choose it from grub
[14:23] <penguin42> you could also just try booting the raring server cd, don't do an install - just see if it's happy
[14:24] <penguin42> mind you, you say the daily cd boots, it just fails some part during the install? Hmm - must be able to get some diags
[14:24] <BluesKaj> why the server cd ?
[14:24] <penguin42> no gui, tends just to stick with text; can't get any simpler
[14:24] <BluesKaj> penguin42, no , it never gets past the menu page
[14:25] <penguin42> which menu?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> install kubuntu , try kubuntu
[14:25] <penguin42> hmmm
[14:26]  * BluesKaj doesn't feel like compiling a kernel atm ...think I'll just wait for the alpha and try again
[14:26] <penguin42> that could be X or the kernel
[14:26] <penguin42> don't need to compile anything; just grab the daily
[14:27] <BluesKaj> if I boot from the 3.5 in grub I do get a screen but it's crappy res
[14:27] <penguin42> BluesKaj: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/   just grab the headers.._amd64, headers_all, image_amd64, and image-extra from there
[14:30] <BluesKaj> I have a working 12.10 system here , I don't intend to use it for testing. I might try another daily build for the 13.04 partition , but that's all
[14:31] <penguin42> sure
[15:33] <rocky_> so... i'm trying to manually install nvidia-173 drivers (deb one is broken) and it's complaining about not being able to find kernel source even though i have linux-headers installed, anyone know what i'm missing?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> interesting , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ ,,404 not found , same with this https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/..the latter is Canadian University repos ...guess the 3.7 kernel is responsible for the hold on the daily images
[17:15] <BluesKaj> err  https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/
[17:15] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Nah, it just moved http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[17:16] <BluesKaj> the Simon Fraser U , as well ?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> sfu that is
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ok penguin42 , thanks
[17:57] <yofel> BluesKaj: the reason for the 404 is that the alternate images were killed
[17:59] <BluesKaj> aha yofel , I was looking for the alternate because of my older pc .. 5yrs old now
[17:59] <yofel> BluesKaj: there's still the netinst image if you need d-i
[18:00] <BluesKaj> can't netinstall , i wiped the test partition..thought I'd start from scratch
[18:01] <BluesKaj> yofel, ^
[18:02] <yofel> if you have no network, you'll need the desktop image. Maybe ubuntu-server might work too
[18:02] <penguin42> but aren't there still server images if you want basic?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> I have a network ...I thought you were referring to upgrading from 12.10
[18:03] <yofel> ah no, I meant the mini.iso
[18:04] <yofel> but now that I think about it, the server image might be a better choice
[18:05] <BluesKaj> ok , yofel didn't know there was an image that would do the net install for pre-releases
[18:05] <BluesKaj> I didn't know
[18:06] <BluesKaj> too late , I already burned the desktop image :) , if itdoesn't work I'll take alook at the server
[18:07] <yofel> the iso's there: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[18:07] <yofel> It's just not linked anywhere. (you get to it by taking the quantal mini.iso URL and changing the release)
[18:42] <penguin42> BluesKaj: You 'burned' it ?! You still use those drinks mats for installation?
[18:56] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what ??
[18:57] <IdleOne> He is surprised you still use CD's
[18:57] <BluesKaj> no usb boot available on this pc , penguin42
[18:58] <penguin42> ah, too bad - they're really a pain
[18:58] <BluesKaj> why not , from the probs I've seen with ppl trying to install with usb media , cds are still a virtue
[18:59] <VIVID> usb installs working great for me
[18:59] <penguin42> bah, CDs don't like me; I always end up burning 3 or so before finding the one version/good burn that works for me; and that's on any given combination of machines
[19:00] <BluesKaj> I told him my pc is 5yrs old ,and cds do the job nicely if the data is good
[19:00] <vivid> md5sum the iso
[19:01] <BluesKaj> vivid, no kidding
[19:01] <bjsnider> that must be an old pc if it has no usb boot option
[19:02] <bjsnider> like older than 8 years
[19:02] <BluesKaj> anyway I'll see in 2 mins if the latest build works
[19:02] <penguin42> yeh thing is a high end PC from 5-6 years ago can actually still be pretty useful; just have a few annoying missing things
[19:02] <Daekdroom> I'm lucky that pendrive is detected as a HDD by this PC's BIOS given there's no USB boot option :D
[19:03] <Daekdroom> *my thumb drive
[19:03] <vivid> so ive been looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/   is there  a breakdown of the individual tasks somewhere?
[19:04] <penguin42> vivid: If you follow the links through some of them have a launchpad page, and a graph showing each item
[19:04] <Daekdroom> vivid, in that very same page?
[19:04] <penguin42> vivid: e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-raring-desktop-targets-for-embedded
[19:05] <vivid> yeah, i dont really care about the embedded though
[19:05] <penguin42> oh yeh they're all there
[19:05] <vivid> im more curious about opengl/unity/compiz tasks
[19:05] <penguin42> vivid: Yeh but just follow the ones you're interested in
[19:05] <vivid> i dont see where that would be
[19:06] <vivid> like, which link is leading to opengl/unity/compiz
[19:06] <vivid> only links are for embedded, flavors and kernel
[19:08] <penguin42> vivid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/?searchtext=raring  and search for what you want there
[19:08] <penguin42> that page does for some reason seem to be primarily pointing to tablet stuff - someone seems to have a particular drive to get their nexus happy
[19:10] <BluesKaj> nope . the image is the same ...must be a freeze on , doesn't recogmize the wireless KB and freezes right there ..have power off and on to reboot
[19:10] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Have you got a plain old fashioned wired keyboard to try?
[19:10] <bjsnider> try with a universal serial bus keyboard
[19:10] <BluesKaj> and bjsnider I assure you there is no usb boot option in the bios on this pc
[19:11] <vivid> penguin42, ill look, just curious about the supposed changes to improve opengl and compiz performance
[19:11] <vivid> as you said, seems to be more focused on tablets...
[19:11] <bjsnider> if you have a usb drive plugged in and you hit f8 afte the bios screen to see the boot options what are they?
[19:11] <penguin42> vivid: It'll probably be in there somewhere in the blueprints section if it's being done by canonical/ubuntu people; if it's coming out of the X foundation guys etc then it might not
[19:12] <penguin42> bjsnider: f8 etc is very bios specific, mine is f12, others are f1 etc
[19:12] <bjsnider> yeah, i know
[19:12] <bjsnider> a lot are f8
[19:12] <bjsnider> the bios should tell you
[19:12] <BluesKaj> a serial bus KB is not practical for my situation ...I'm 10ft away from my plasma monitor
[19:12] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I think I'd try and get it to boot to a non-graphical boot and see if the kernel was recognising keyboard/mouse
[19:13] <BluesKaj> server edition then
[19:13] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Or tweak the command line options
[19:13] <vivid> or mini or alternate iso
[19:13] <BluesKaj> alternate isn't working
[19:14] <bjsnider> yes but you could boot with it and then connect the wifi keyboard
[19:14] <bjsnider> or use both
[19:14] <vivid> or use a ps/2 keyboard
[19:14] <bjsnider> you can have it plugged in but not use it
[19:15] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I'd take the quiet and splash options off the boot line and see if you can see anything going past for starters; I'd certainly try with a wired keyboard
[19:16]  * penguin42 hits do-release-upgrade -d   confirms and goes to get food; <gulp>
[19:17] <BluesKaj> interesting , a wired KB is suggested by the same person who thought cds are old hat :)
[19:20] <BluesKaj> frankly I'm tired of fooling with 13.04 , I'll wait til the alpha is released on thurs .
[19:37] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I like to be able to follow my data
[19:41] <penguin42> bah, the update had stopped after spending some time calculating how many packages it needed and wanted another confirm
[19:41] <penguin42> yofel: Ther eis a 'No candidate ver: language-pack-kde-en-base' that sounds bad
[19:42] <yofel> that doesn't exist anymore...
[19:42] <penguin42> ah ok, that'll be why there is no candidate :-)
[19:43] <yofel> it would be good to know what tries to install it though
[19:43] <yofel> as rdepends returns nothing here
[19:44] <penguin42> and the version I have looked old rc  language-pack-kde-en-base                                     1:12.04+20120417                    all                                 KDE translations for language English
[19:44] <penguin42> so that was Precise I guess
[19:44] <yofel> yeah, it ceased to exist when KDE moved to universe
[19:44] <penguin42> ah ok
[19:45] <yofel> we're still ironing out translation issues, so please file bugs if you find something
[19:45] <penguin42> yofel: Hey I only know en_GB so it's unlikely
[19:46] <yofel> I meant package issues like here too ;)
[19:57] <penguin42> apt is just SO much nicer on an SSD
[19:57] <yofel> hehe
[19:58] <bjsnider> yeah, it's really fast
[19:58] <bjsnider> done almost before you imagine it's started
[19:59] <penguin42> there should be some good devs who are forced to use a 6 year old machine with a 5400 RPM disk to make sure it doesn't slow down too much
[20:00] <BluesKaj> ahem , must have a fast 'net connection too
[20:00] <penguin42> hmm, do you think there is a dev who would be prepared to use that spec of machine if someone got them a really fast net connection?
[20:01] <BluesKaj> dunno , would they ?
[20:18] <penguin42> right, what are the bets on it coming  back...
[20:19] <penguin42> seems happy - 3.7.0-4-generic #12
[20:19] <penguin42> and the boot is fast!
[20:22] <yofel> boot is fast, and suspend on my thinkpad takes roughly 3s suddenly. 3.5 needed about 10s
[20:22] <penguin42> yofel: Which TP have you got?
[20:23] <yofel> T510
[20:23] <penguin42> yofel: Nod;  my work machine recently got upgraded from a w500 to a w520; it's been quite a fight
[20:39] <penguin42> yofel: You know, it's not just the boot that feels faster; I can't put my finger on it....
[20:40] <penguin42> but I like it
[20:49] <yofel> true, even KDE 4.9.80 has been running for a week without a single crash. now That feels oddly stable for a beta1...
[20:54] <penguin42> and it's pre-alpha; that means something big has got to come in just before release to break it
[20:59] <penguin42> heck, kvm-spice is just about holding together
[22:01] <penguin42> yofel: Where do KDE bugs for current raring go; upstream KDE as normal?   Ctrl-alt-l isn't locking for me even though settings-keybindings-global keyboard shortcuts-kscreenlocker has it set that way
[22:02] <yofel> upstream
[22:02] <penguin42> ok, do it later
[22:02] <yofel> thanks
[22:03] <penguin42> that's the only problem I've seen so far; some colours look a little darker in a few places; but nothing untowards - the pager looks slightly different, but again not problematic
[23:41] <penguin42> yofel: Filed as kde bug 311050
[23:41] <penguin42> good bot!
[23:54] <penguin42> bah, just killed the Radeon driver, not done that for a few years
[23:57] <FernandoMiguel> heh