| MechanisM | Hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? I'm tried "sudo update-manager -d" it's showing popup with progress of apt-get update and then shows me option to upgrade to 13.04. I'm apllying, it's asks sudo password and disappearing. | 00:13 |
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| MechanisM | Nothing happens | 00:14 |
| mspencer | Hi, when I tried running ubuntu-bug -w on nautilus, I got the error "This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again." This occured in an install from a recent daily build ISO. I need to be able to use ubuntu-bug because I'm working on a bug fix in apport and need to be able to test it. Why is this happening and how do I fix it? | 02:14 |
| mspencer | The version of nautilus shown by apt-cache is 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu2 | 02:16 |
| MechanisM | hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? "update-manager -d" doesn't works for me. | 03:30 |
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| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:49 |
| penguin42 | Hey BK | 13:57 |
| BluesKaj | hi penguin42 | 14:08 |
| BluesKaj | wiped my 13.04 partition , it's become an exercise in frustration | 14:09 |
| BluesKaj | hope the alpha fixes the 3.7 kernel modules | 14:11 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: What are you seeing? | 14:12 |
| BluesKaj | nothing , the 3.7 kernel w=quits at my KB recognition the live daily cd doesn't get past the install menu page'[ | 14:13 |
| penguin42 | managed to get any diagnostics from it? | 14:14 |
| BluesKaj | no | 14:14 |
| penguin42 | hmm | 14:14 |
| BluesKaj | nop error messages | 14:14 |
| penguin42 | ok two suggestions; try the ubuntu-server daily cd and see if you can get any text output; and second idea is try a 3.7.x on your current installs | 14:14 |
| BluesKaj | no , I wont , I'm using 12.10 on a the same pc | 14:15 |
| penguin42 | ok; could try installing a 3.7.x on 12.10; you can still select the standard kernel from grub | 14:16 |
| * penguin42 has the opposite problem; my dad's machine won't boot with the standard 12.10 kernel | 14:17 | |
| BluesKaj | ummer | 14:18 |
| penguin42 | works fine on 3.7.x | 14:18 |
| BluesKaj | err bummer ...seems to be a HW kernel source driver problem | 14:19 |
| penguin42 | yeh that one is an intel graphics on sandybridge problem | 14:19 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, so you added the 3.7 and dumped the 3.5? | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | just added the 3.7, and it takes the default place on Grub, the other one is still there if I choose it from grub | 14:20 |
| penguin42 | you could also just try booting the raring server cd, don't do an install - just see if it's happy | 14:23 |
| penguin42 | mind you, you say the daily cd boots, it just fails some part during the install? Hmm - must be able to get some diags | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | why the server cd ? | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | no gui, tends just to stick with text; can't get any simpler | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, no , it never gets past the menu page | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | which menu? | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | install kubuntu , try kubuntu | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | hmmm | 14:25 |
| * BluesKaj doesn't feel like compiling a kernel atm ...think I'll just wait for the alpha and try again | 14:26 | |
| penguin42 | that could be X or the kernel | 14:26 |
| penguin42 | don't need to compile anything; just grab the daily | 14:26 |
| BluesKaj | if I boot from the 3.5 in grub I do get a screen but it's crappy res | 14:27 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ just grab the headers.._amd64, headers_all, image_amd64, and image-extra from there | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | I have a working 12.10 system here , I don't intend to use it for testing. I might try another daily build for the 13.04 partition , but that's all | 14:30 |
| penguin42 | sure | 14:31 |
| rocky_ | so... i'm trying to manually install nvidia-173 drivers (deb one is broken) and it's complaining about not being able to find kernel source even though i have linux-headers installed, anyone know what i'm missing? | 15:33 |
| BluesKaj | interesting , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ ,,404 not found , same with this https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/..the latter is Canadian University repos ...guess the 3.7 kernel is responsible for the hold on the daily images | 17:14 |
| BluesKaj | err https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/ | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Nah, it just moved http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | 17:15 |
| BluesKaj | the Simon Fraser U , as well ? | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | sfu that is | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | ok penguin42 , thanks | 17:24 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: the reason for the 404 is that the alternate images were killed | 17:57 |
| BluesKaj | aha yofel , I was looking for the alternate because of my older pc .. 5yrs old now | 17:59 |
| yofel | BluesKaj: there's still the netinst image if you need d-i | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | can't netinstall , i wiped the test partition..thought I'd start from scratch | 18:00 |
| BluesKaj | yofel, ^ | 18:01 |
| yofel | if you have no network, you'll need the desktop image. Maybe ubuntu-server might work too | 18:02 |
| penguin42 | but aren't there still server images if you want basic? | 18:02 |
| BluesKaj | I have a network ...I thought you were referring to upgrading from 12.10 | 18:03 |
| yofel | ah no, I meant the mini.iso | 18:03 |
| yofel | but now that I think about it, the server image might be a better choice | 18:04 |
| BluesKaj | ok , yofel didn't know there was an image that would do the net install for pre-releases | 18:05 |
| BluesKaj | I didn't know | 18:05 |
| BluesKaj | too late , I already burned the desktop image :) , if itdoesn't work I'll take alook at the server | 18:06 |
| yofel | the iso's there: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 18:07 |
| yofel | It's just not linked anywhere. (you get to it by taking the quantal mini.iso URL and changing the release) | 18:07 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: You 'burned' it ?! You still use those drinks mats for installation? | 18:42 |
| BluesKaj | penguin42, what ?? | 18:56 |
| IdleOne | He is surprised you still use CD's | 18:57 |
| BluesKaj | no usb boot available on this pc , penguin42 | 18:57 |
| penguin42 | ah, too bad - they're really a pain | 18:58 |
| BluesKaj | why not , from the probs I've seen with ppl trying to install with usb media , cds are still a virtue | 18:58 |
| VIVID | usb installs working great for me | 18:59 |
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| penguin42 | bah, CDs don't like me; I always end up burning 3 or so before finding the one version/good burn that works for me; and that's on any given combination of machines | 18:59 |
| BluesKaj | I told him my pc is 5yrs old ,and cds do the job nicely if the data is good | 19:00 |
| vivid | md5sum the iso | 19:00 |
| BluesKaj | vivid, no kidding | 19:01 |
| bjsnider | that must be an old pc if it has no usb boot option | 19:01 |
| bjsnider | like older than 8 years | 19:02 |
| BluesKaj | anyway I'll see in 2 mins if the latest build works | 19:02 |
| penguin42 | yeh thing is a high end PC from 5-6 years ago can actually still be pretty useful; just have a few annoying missing things | 19:02 |
| Daekdroom | I'm lucky that pendrive is detected as a HDD by this PC's BIOS given there's no USB boot option :D | 19:02 |
| Daekdroom | *my thumb drive | 19:03 |
| vivid | so ive been looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ is there a breakdown of the individual tasks somewhere? | 19:03 |
| penguin42 | vivid: If you follow the links through some of them have a launchpad page, and a graph showing each item | 19:04 |
| Daekdroom | vivid, in that very same page? | 19:04 |
| penguin42 | vivid: e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-raring-desktop-targets-for-embedded | 19:04 |
| vivid | yeah, i dont really care about the embedded though | 19:05 |
| penguin42 | oh yeh they're all there | 19:05 |
| vivid | im more curious about opengl/unity/compiz tasks | 19:05 |
| penguin42 | vivid: Yeh but just follow the ones you're interested in | 19:05 |
| vivid | i dont see where that would be | 19:05 |
| vivid | like, which link is leading to opengl/unity/compiz | 19:06 |
| vivid | only links are for embedded, flavors and kernel | 19:06 |
| penguin42 | vivid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/?searchtext=raring and search for what you want there | 19:08 |
| penguin42 | that page does for some reason seem to be primarily pointing to tablet stuff - someone seems to have a particular drive to get their nexus happy | 19:08 |
| BluesKaj | nope . the image is the same ...must be a freeze on , doesn't recogmize the wireless KB and freezes right there ..have power off and on to reboot | 19:10 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Have you got a plain old fashioned wired keyboard to try? | 19:10 |
| bjsnider | try with a universal serial bus keyboard | 19:10 |
| BluesKaj | and bjsnider I assure you there is no usb boot option in the bios on this pc | 19:10 |
| vivid | penguin42, ill look, just curious about the supposed changes to improve opengl and compiz performance | 19:11 |
| vivid | as you said, seems to be more focused on tablets... | 19:11 |
| bjsnider | if you have a usb drive plugged in and you hit f8 afte the bios screen to see the boot options what are they? | 19:11 |
| penguin42 | vivid: It'll probably be in there somewhere in the blueprints section if it's being done by canonical/ubuntu people; if it's coming out of the X foundation guys etc then it might not | 19:11 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: f8 etc is very bios specific, mine is f12, others are f1 etc | 19:12 |
| bjsnider | yeah, i know | 19:12 |
| bjsnider | a lot are f8 | 19:12 |
| bjsnider | the bios should tell you | 19:12 |
| BluesKaj | a serial bus KB is not practical for my situation ...I'm 10ft away from my plasma monitor | 19:12 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I think I'd try and get it to boot to a non-graphical boot and see if the kernel was recognising keyboard/mouse | 19:12 |
| BluesKaj | server edition then | 19:13 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: Or tweak the command line options | 19:13 |
| vivid | or mini or alternate iso | 19:13 |
| BluesKaj | alternate isn't working | 19:13 |
| bjsnider | yes but you could boot with it and then connect the wifi keyboard | 19:14 |
| bjsnider | or use both | 19:14 |
| vivid | or use a ps/2 keyboard | 19:14 |
| bjsnider | you can have it plugged in but not use it | 19:14 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I'd take the quiet and splash options off the boot line and see if you can see anything going past for starters; I'd certainly try with a wired keyboard | 19:15 |
| * penguin42 hits do-release-upgrade -d confirms and goes to get food; <gulp> | 19:16 | |
| BluesKaj | interesting , a wired KB is suggested by the same person who thought cds are old hat :) | 19:17 |
| BluesKaj | frankly I'm tired of fooling with 13.04 , I'll wait til the alpha is released on thurs . | 19:20 |
| penguin42 | BluesKaj: I like to be able to follow my data | 19:37 |
| penguin42 | bah, the update had stopped after spending some time calculating how many packages it needed and wanted another confirm | 19:41 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Ther eis a 'No candidate ver: language-pack-kde-en-base' that sounds bad | 19:41 |
| yofel | that doesn't exist anymore... | 19:42 |
| penguin42 | ah ok, that'll be why there is no candidate :-) | 19:42 |
| yofel | it would be good to know what tries to install it though | 19:43 |
| yofel | as rdepends returns nothing here | 19:43 |
| penguin42 | and the version I have looked old rc language-pack-kde-en-base 1:12.04+20120417 all KDE translations for language English | 19:44 |
| penguin42 | so that was Precise I guess | 19:44 |
| yofel | yeah, it ceased to exist when KDE moved to universe | 19:44 |
| penguin42 | ah ok | 19:44 |
| yofel | we're still ironing out translation issues, so please file bugs if you find something | 19:45 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Hey I only know en_GB so it's unlikely | 19:45 |
| yofel | I meant package issues like here too ;) | 19:46 |
| penguin42 | apt is just SO much nicer on an SSD | 19:57 |
| yofel | hehe | 19:57 |
| bjsnider | yeah, it's really fast | 19:58 |
| bjsnider | done almost before you imagine it's started | 19:58 |
| penguin42 | there should be some good devs who are forced to use a 6 year old machine with a 5400 RPM disk to make sure it doesn't slow down too much | 19:59 |
| BluesKaj | ahem , must have a fast 'net connection too | 20:00 |
| penguin42 | hmm, do you think there is a dev who would be prepared to use that spec of machine if someone got them a really fast net connection? | 20:00 |
| BluesKaj | dunno , would they ? | 20:01 |
| penguin42 | right, what are the bets on it coming back... | 20:18 |
| penguin42 | seems happy - 3.7.0-4-generic #12 | 20:19 |
| penguin42 | and the boot is fast! | 20:19 |
| yofel | boot is fast, and suspend on my thinkpad takes roughly 3s suddenly. 3.5 needed about 10s | 20:22 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Which TP have you got? | 20:22 |
| yofel | T510 | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Nod; my work machine recently got upgraded from a w500 to a w520; it's been quite a fight | 20:23 |
| penguin42 | yofel: You know, it's not just the boot that feels faster; I can't put my finger on it.... | 20:39 |
| penguin42 | but I like it | 20:40 |
| yofel | true, even KDE 4.9.80 has been running for a week without a single crash. now That feels oddly stable for a beta1... | 20:49 |
| penguin42 | and it's pre-alpha; that means something big has got to come in just before release to break it | 20:54 |
| penguin42 | heck, kvm-spice is just about holding together | 20:59 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Where do KDE bugs for current raring go; upstream KDE as normal? Ctrl-alt-l isn't locking for me even though settings-keybindings-global keyboard shortcuts-kscreenlocker has it set that way | 22:01 |
| yofel | upstream | 22:02 |
| penguin42 | ok, do it later | 22:02 |
| yofel | thanks | 22:02 |
| penguin42 | that's the only problem I've seen so far; some colours look a little darker in a few places; but nothing untowards - the pager looks slightly different, but again not problematic | 22:03 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Filed as kde bug 311050 | 23:41 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 311050 in locker "[Regression] ctrl-alt-l isn't locking the screen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311050 | 23:41 |
| penguin42 | good bot! | 23:41 |
| penguin42 | bah, just killed the Radeon driver, not done that for a few years | 23:54 |
| FernandoMiguel | heh | 23:57 |
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