[00:13] Hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? I'm tried "sudo update-manager -d" it's showing popup with progress of apt-get update and then shows me option to upgrade to 13.04. I'm apllying, it's asks sudo password and disappearing. [00:14] Nothing happens [02:14] Hi, when I tried running ubuntu-bug -w on nautilus, I got the error "This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again." This occured in an install from a recent daily build ISO. I need to be able to use ubuntu-bug because I'm working on a bug fix in apport and need to be able to test it. Why is this happening and how do I fix it? [02:16] The version of nautilus shown by apt-cache is 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu2 [03:30] hello, how to upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04? "update-manager -d" doesn't works for me. === Gasseus is now known as Guest1938 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:49] Hiyas all [13:57] Hey BK [14:08] hi penguin42 [14:09] wiped my 13.04 partition , it's become an exercise in frustration [14:11] hope the alpha fixes the 3.7 kernel modules [14:12] BluesKaj: What are you seeing? [14:13] nothing , the 3.7 kernel w=quits at my KB recognition the live daily cd doesn't get past the install menu page'[ [14:14] managed to get any diagnostics from it? [14:14] no [14:14] hmm [14:14] nop error messages [14:14] ok two suggestions; try the ubuntu-server daily cd and see if you can get any text output; and second idea is try a 3.7.x on your current installs [14:15] no , I wont , I'm using 12.10 on a the same pc [14:16] ok; could try installing a 3.7.x on 12.10; you can still select the standard kernel from grub [14:17] * penguin42 has the opposite problem; my dad's machine won't boot with the standard 12.10 kernel [14:18] ummer [14:18] works fine on 3.7.x [14:19] err bummer ...seems to be a HW kernel source driver problem [14:19] yeh that one is an intel graphics on sandybridge problem [14:20] penguin42, so you added the 3.7 and dumped the 3.5? [14:20] just added the 3.7, and it takes the default place on Grub, the other one is still there if I choose it from grub [14:23] you could also just try booting the raring server cd, don't do an install - just see if it's happy [14:24] mind you, you say the daily cd boots, it just fails some part during the install? Hmm - must be able to get some diags [14:24] why the server cd ? [14:24] no gui, tends just to stick with text; can't get any simpler [14:24] penguin42, no , it never gets past the menu page [14:25] which menu? [14:25] install kubuntu , try kubuntu [14:25] hmmm [14:26] * BluesKaj doesn't feel like compiling a kernel atm ...think I'll just wait for the alpha and try again [14:26] that could be X or the kernel [14:26] don't need to compile anything; just grab the daily [14:27] if I boot from the 3.5 in grub I do get a screen but it's crappy res [14:27] BluesKaj: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ just grab the headers.._amd64, headers_all, image_amd64, and image-extra from there [14:30] I have a working 12.10 system here , I don't intend to use it for testing. I might try another daily build for the 13.04 partition , but that's all [14:31] sure [15:33] so... i'm trying to manually install nvidia-173 drivers (deb one is broken) and it's complaining about not being able to find kernel source even though i have linux-headers installed, anyone know what i'm missing? [17:14] interesting , http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/ ,,404 not found , same with this https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/..the latter is Canadian University repos ...guess the 3.7 kernel is responsible for the hold on the daily images [17:15] err https://mirror.its.sfu.ca/mirror/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/daily/current/ [17:15] BluesKaj: Nah, it just moved http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ [17:16] the Simon Fraser U , as well ? [17:16] sfu that is [17:24] ok penguin42 , thanks [17:57] BluesKaj: the reason for the 404 is that the alternate images were killed [17:59] aha yofel , I was looking for the alternate because of my older pc .. 5yrs old now [17:59] BluesKaj: there's still the netinst image if you need d-i [18:00] can't netinstall , i wiped the test partition..thought I'd start from scratch [18:01] yofel, ^ [18:02] if you have no network, you'll need the desktop image. Maybe ubuntu-server might work too [18:02] but aren't there still server images if you want basic? [18:03] I have a network ...I thought you were referring to upgrading from 12.10 [18:03] ah no, I meant the mini.iso [18:04] but now that I think about it, the server image might be a better choice [18:05] ok , yofel didn't know there was an image that would do the net install for pre-releases [18:05] I didn't know [18:06] too late , I already burned the desktop image :) , if itdoesn't work I'll take alook at the server [18:07] the iso's there: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ [18:07] It's just not linked anywhere. (you get to it by taking the quantal mini.iso URL and changing the release) [18:42] BluesKaj: You 'burned' it ?! You still use those drinks mats for installation? [18:56] penguin42, what ?? [18:57] He is surprised you still use CD's [18:57] no usb boot available on this pc , penguin42 [18:58] ah, too bad - they're really a pain [18:58] why not , from the probs I've seen with ppl trying to install with usb media , cds are still a virtue [18:59] usb installs working great for me === VIVID is now known as vivid [18:59] bah, CDs don't like me; I always end up burning 3 or so before finding the one version/good burn that works for me; and that's on any given combination of machines [19:00] I told him my pc is 5yrs old ,and cds do the job nicely if the data is good [19:00] md5sum the iso [19:01] vivid, no kidding [19:01] that must be an old pc if it has no usb boot option [19:02] like older than 8 years [19:02] anyway I'll see in 2 mins if the latest build works [19:02] yeh thing is a high end PC from 5-6 years ago can actually still be pretty useful; just have a few annoying missing things [19:02] I'm lucky that pendrive is detected as a HDD by this PC's BIOS given there's no USB boot option :D [19:03] *my thumb drive [19:03] so ive been looking at http://status.ubuntu.com/ is there a breakdown of the individual tasks somewhere? [19:04] vivid: If you follow the links through some of them have a launchpad page, and a graph showing each item [19:04] vivid, in that very same page? [19:04] vivid: e.g. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-raring-desktop-targets-for-embedded [19:05] yeah, i dont really care about the embedded though [19:05] oh yeh they're all there [19:05] im more curious about opengl/unity/compiz tasks [19:05] vivid: Yeh but just follow the ones you're interested in [19:05] i dont see where that would be [19:06] like, which link is leading to opengl/unity/compiz [19:06] only links are for embedded, flavors and kernel [19:08] vivid: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/?searchtext=raring and search for what you want there [19:08] that page does for some reason seem to be primarily pointing to tablet stuff - someone seems to have a particular drive to get their nexus happy [19:10] nope . the image is the same ...must be a freeze on , doesn't recogmize the wireless KB and freezes right there ..have power off and on to reboot [19:10] BluesKaj: Have you got a plain old fashioned wired keyboard to try? [19:10] try with a universal serial bus keyboard [19:10] and bjsnider I assure you there is no usb boot option in the bios on this pc [19:11] penguin42, ill look, just curious about the supposed changes to improve opengl and compiz performance [19:11] as you said, seems to be more focused on tablets... [19:11] if you have a usb drive plugged in and you hit f8 afte the bios screen to see the boot options what are they? [19:11] vivid: It'll probably be in there somewhere in the blueprints section if it's being done by canonical/ubuntu people; if it's coming out of the X foundation guys etc then it might not [19:12] bjsnider: f8 etc is very bios specific, mine is f12, others are f1 etc [19:12] yeah, i know [19:12] a lot are f8 [19:12] the bios should tell you [19:12] a serial bus KB is not practical for my situation ...I'm 10ft away from my plasma monitor [19:12] BluesKaj: I think I'd try and get it to boot to a non-graphical boot and see if the kernel was recognising keyboard/mouse [19:13] server edition then [19:13] BluesKaj: Or tweak the command line options [19:13] or mini or alternate iso [19:13] alternate isn't working [19:14] yes but you could boot with it and then connect the wifi keyboard [19:14] or use both [19:14] or use a ps/2 keyboard [19:14] you can have it plugged in but not use it [19:15] BluesKaj: I'd take the quiet and splash options off the boot line and see if you can see anything going past for starters; I'd certainly try with a wired keyboard [19:16] * penguin42 hits do-release-upgrade -d confirms and goes to get food; [19:17] interesting , a wired KB is suggested by the same person who thought cds are old hat :) [19:20] frankly I'm tired of fooling with 13.04 , I'll wait til the alpha is released on thurs . [19:37] BluesKaj: I like to be able to follow my data [19:41] bah, the update had stopped after spending some time calculating how many packages it needed and wanted another confirm [19:41] yofel: Ther eis a 'No candidate ver: language-pack-kde-en-base' that sounds bad [19:42] that doesn't exist anymore... [19:42] ah ok, that'll be why there is no candidate :-) [19:43] it would be good to know what tries to install it though [19:43] as rdepends returns nothing here [19:44] and the version I have looked old rc language-pack-kde-en-base 1:12.04+20120417 all KDE translations for language English [19:44] so that was Precise I guess [19:44] yeah, it ceased to exist when KDE moved to universe [19:44] ah ok [19:45] we're still ironing out translation issues, so please file bugs if you find something [19:45] yofel: Hey I only know en_GB so it's unlikely [19:46] I meant package issues like here too ;) [19:57] apt is just SO much nicer on an SSD [19:57] hehe [19:58] yeah, it's really fast [19:58] done almost before you imagine it's started [19:59] there should be some good devs who are forced to use a 6 year old machine with a 5400 RPM disk to make sure it doesn't slow down too much [20:00] ahem , must have a fast 'net connection too [20:00] hmm, do you think there is a dev who would be prepared to use that spec of machine if someone got them a really fast net connection? [20:01] dunno , would they ? [20:18] right, what are the bets on it coming back... [20:19] seems happy - 3.7.0-4-generic #12 [20:19] and the boot is fast! [20:22] boot is fast, and suspend on my thinkpad takes roughly 3s suddenly. 3.5 needed about 10s [20:22] yofel: Which TP have you got? [20:23] T510 [20:23] yofel: Nod; my work machine recently got upgraded from a w500 to a w520; it's been quite a fight [20:39] yofel: You know, it's not just the boot that feels faster; I can't put my finger on it.... [20:40] but I like it [20:49] true, even KDE 4.9.80 has been running for a week without a single crash. now That feels oddly stable for a beta1... [20:54] and it's pre-alpha; that means something big has got to come in just before release to break it [20:59] heck, kvm-spice is just about holding together [22:01] yofel: Where do KDE bugs for current raring go; upstream KDE as normal? Ctrl-alt-l isn't locking for me even though settings-keybindings-global keyboard shortcuts-kscreenlocker has it set that way [22:02] upstream [22:02] ok, do it later [22:02] thanks [22:03] that's the only problem I've seen so far; some colours look a little darker in a few places; but nothing untowards - the pager looks slightly different, but again not problematic [23:41] yofel: Filed as kde bug 311050 [23:41] KDE bug 311050 in locker "[Regression] ctrl-alt-l isn't locking the screen" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311050 [23:41] good bot! [23:54] bah, just killed the Radeon driver, not done that for a few years [23:57] heh