[03:41] <davecheney> is their a quantal-server-armhf-image available ?
[03:41] <davecheney> for omap4
[03:46] <infinity> davecheney: http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/
[03:46] <infinity> davecheney: Or, if you're after netboot images, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/quantal/
[03:57] <davecheney> infinity: i tried the netboot last night
[03:57] <davecheney> it doesn't setup the uboot parition
[03:57] <infinity> Sure it does.
[03:57] <davecheney> nup
[03:57] <infinity> It *is* the uBoot partition
[03:57] <davecheney> right, but after you go through the installer
[03:58] <infinity> The only way for that to fail is if you either repartition the card, or remove it.
[03:58] <davecheney> the sdcard is just formatted like a usual quantal install
[03:58] <infinity> Oh.  Yeah.  Don't install to the SD card.
[03:58] <infinity> It's designed to install to other media.
[03:58] <davecheney> infinity: shuld I start with precise and dist-uprade instead ?
[03:58] <infinity> ...
[03:58] <infinity> The installers are identical.
[03:59] <infinity> Oh, unless you mean a precise preinstall.
[03:59] <davecheney> as in, start with the precise sever omap4 image
[03:59] <infinity> Why do you want to run from SD so badly?
[03:59] <davecheney> 'cos I only have a panda
[03:59] <infinity> ... and?
[03:59] <davecheney> yeah, I guess I can use outboard usb
[03:59] <infinity> I run all my Pandas from external media.  Makes them not suck. :P
[03:59] <davecheney> the internal card is farqing slow
[04:00] <davecheney> ok, that sounds like a plan
[04:00] <infinity> Yes, this is why we don't officially support installing to SD anymore.
[04:00] <infinity> It's an awful user experience.
[04:00] <davecheney> use the netboot installer, install to the usb drive
[04:00] <davecheney> then i need to adjust my uboot settings right ?
[04:00] <infinity> (That said, if you use netboot and then tell the installer to "install to largest contiguous free space" instead of "entire disk", it might work)
[04:00] <davecheney> or will the netboot installer do that for me ?
[04:00] <infinity> No, it'll do everything right for you.
[04:00] <davecheney> if i'm not an idiot an let it overwrite the card I just booted from :)
[04:01] <infinity> Just select the external disk and "entire disk", and it'll do the right thing and rewrite the SD card.
[04:01] <davecheney> okie dokes
[04:01] <davecheney> thanks mate
[04:01] <infinity> Even a USB thumb drive is a huge improvement over running from SD, but I do recommend an external hard drive (rotary is fine, SSD is a waste of money).
[04:01] <lilstevie> SSDs are faster than USB
[04:02] <davecheney> for all my machines they mount /home over nfs
[04:02] <davecheney> so I only use the sdcard for /
[04:02] <davecheney> and once everything is cached
[04:02] <davecheney> it's usable
[04:02] <lilstevie> hell even a lot of rotary disks have faster access times
[04:02] <infinity> Oh, if you're doing things like that, then yeah, you might want to try installing to SD, I suppose.
[04:03] <infinity> Like I said, we don't "officially" support it, but if you pick the "largest contiguous space" option instead of "entire disk", it may DTRT.
[04:03] <infinity> It used to.  But I haven't tested that in a while.
[04:03] <davecheney> i'd say usb ethernet and usb sata would be about as aweful
[04:03] <davecheney> infinity: i'll try largest
[04:03] <infinity> USB HDDs are ridiculously fast in comparison to SD, though, if you intend to do anything locally.
[04:04] <infinity> (Also, SD cards kinda burn out and explode with heavy use, but if you're essentially using it read-only, that's not as big a deal)
[04:04] <davecheney> infinity: btw, nexus 7 with lightdm shutdown is a pretty decent build host
[04:04] <davecheney> but again, mount your home from somewhere else
[04:04] <davecheney> that is an expensive flash card
[04:05] <infinity> Building over networks doesn't excite me terribly. :/
[04:05] <infinity> If I could both charge it *and* have a USB HDD plugged in at the same time, I'd love it.
[04:05] <davecheney> that would rquire some kind of bi sexual usb cable
[04:05] <infinity> Exactly.
[04:05]  * davecheney shudders 
[04:05] <infinity> I have enough build hosts lying around here, though.
[04:06] <infinity> And still considering jumping on the Chromebook bandwagon.
[04:06] <davecheney> if I could get someone to mule me one from the states, us!
[04:06] <davecheney> yes!
[04:06] <davecheney> i have the reddies in my hot little hand
[04:06] <davecheney> but you can't buy the buggers in AU
[04:07] <infinity> Yeah, can't buy them in Canada either, but getting friends to ship across that border is less hassle.
[04:07] <davecheney> i'll keep an eye out for folks making the trip across the ocean
[04:07] <davecheney> but I suspect it'll be UDS-R before I can get one
[04:07] <infinity> And I usually buy all my laptops in the US, just due to the fact that they always try to fleece us on local sales.
[04:08] <infinity> Our dollars are basically at parity right now, but everything's mysteriously 30% more expensive here.
[04:08] <davecheney> infinity: yes, the AUD is kicking the greenback's arse
[04:08] <davecheney> but for some reason there is a 10-20% living in australia tax
[04:08] <infinity> davecheney: Your tax makes some sense.  People have to send stuff to you in the middle of nowhere.
[04:09] <davecheney> nah, that is bullshit
[04:09] <infinity> davecheney: In my case, everything ships from the same warehouses (often, ironically, ones in Canada).
[04:09] <davecheney> taiwan is a lot closer to AU than Canada
[04:09] <davecheney> samsung are korean, i think
[04:09] <infinity> davecheney: Yes, but you're a population of 20M.  We're 350M.
[04:10] <infinity> davecheney: That *does* make a difference when it comes to how you can or can't ship bulk.
[04:10] <davecheney> 22million i'll have you know, we've been busy
[04:10] <davecheney> yeah, i'm just whinging
[04:10] <infinity> (I know it sucks, I used to live in Melbourne(
[04:10] <infinity> )
[04:11] <infinity> The trick was to have friends visit.  Or travel lots.
[04:11] <infinity> And always get stuff on the outside. :P
[04:11] <infinity> Except lambs.
[04:12] <davecheney> infinity: i've also got hold of an imx.53
[04:12] <davecheney> how do you run the sata port on there
[04:12] <davecheney> considering there is no power header
[04:21] <infinity> I have mine plugged into an internal->eSata adaptor, and have it plugged into an eSATA drive in a caddy.
[04:22] <davecheney> ahh, right, so your getting the power from the caddies wall wart
[04:22]  * infinity nods.
[04:22] <infinity> That's the only sane way to get power to anything on these boards.
[04:22] <infinity> Same for USB drives.
[04:22] <davecheney> yup
[04:23] <infinity> Driving them from the USB hub will end in tears.
[04:23] <davecheney> oh no, think of the children!
[04:24] <davecheney> infinity: doing largest looks like it'll work
[04:24] <davecheney> it started at partition 2 this time
[04:25] <davecheney> thanks for the tip
[04:25] <infinity> Yeah, this could all be made more elegant, but... The biggest consumers of netboot on omap/omap4 boards also happen to be people who preseed and do their own twisted magic anyway.
[04:26] <infinity> As such, it never became much of a priority to make this more user-friendly.
[04:26] <infinity> Or friendly at all. :P
[04:26] <davecheney> i think it's pretty decent
[04:26]  * davecheney has been playing with freebsd/arm
[04:26] <davecheney> that is _not_ user friendly
[04:26] <infinity> Oh, sure, we're more friendly than most everyone else.  But I hold myself to a higher standard than that. :P
[04:27]  * davecheney nods
[04:28] <infinity> Someone really needs to send me a Beagle xM.
[04:28] <infinity> This C4 I'm testing on makes me want to kick puppies.
[04:29] <infinity> I bet I could have kidnapped a bucket of XMs when I was in London last.  And I forgot.  Drat.
[04:33] <davecheney> c4 ?
[04:33] <davecheney> "when i doubt, c4!"
[04:34] <infinity> davecheney: Ancient beaglboard model, 750MHz, 256MB of RAM.
[04:34] <lilstevie> ew
[04:34] <infinity> davecheney: Not the most pleasant system to be testing my omap3 fixes on.
[04:34] <davecheney> oh sadface
[04:35] <davecheney> can't you use the loco ?
[04:35] <infinity> To test omap3 stuff?  That would be a cute trick.
[04:35] <infinity> Given that it's a different SoC. :)
[04:35] <davecheney> oh, sorry
[04:35] <davecheney> i keep forgetting that it's not Ti
[04:35] <infinity> Heh.
[04:36] <davecheney> but then again, there won't be any more OMAP boards now
[04:36] <davecheney> so i'd better get use to that
[04:36] <infinity> And I was so looking forward to the Panda5.
[04:37] <davecheney> have they just given up
[04:37] <infinity> No.
[04:37] <davecheney> i heard they were selling the OMAP5 rights
[04:37] <davecheney> or they were at least up for sale
[04:37] <infinity> I'm actually not sure of the current state of affairs.
[04:37] <davecheney> there is also the exyijis
[04:37] <davecheney> i have no idea how to spell that
[04:37] <davecheney> the quad cortex-a9
[04:37] <davecheney> from samsung
[04:38] <infinity> Exynos.
[04:38] <davecheney> yes
[04:42] <davecheney> ok, gotta fly, thanks for your help
[04:42] <davecheney> will report back when the net install is done
[18:46] <tassadar_> Will 12.10 version of ubuntu for nexus 7 get any updates or not?
[22:27] <xenome> does midori not support html5 anymore?  It seems to work great under the angstrom distribution