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psusiis it correct to file a bug against ubuntu-docs for errors in the wiki?01:31
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OceanAcousticsGuThere seems to be a problem with the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.  Here is the error message: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found.  Anybody know how to fix this?  Thanks.13:08
jtaylor11.04 is not supported anymore13:09
jtayloryou have to use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz13:10
OceanAcousticsGuI am running 10.10 and would like to get to 11.10.  Is my upgrade path via 11.04, or do I need to do a complete install of 11.04?  Thanks.13:12
jtaylorthe upgrade path is via 11.0413:12
jtaylorbut you are much to late13:12
jtayloryou have to upgrade via the archive13:13
jtayloryou are probably better of with a fresh install13:13
OceanAcousticsGuI think you are right.  I have a friend who can help me do that.  I worry about getting everything backed up.  Thanks again.13:14
jtayloryou could try to go directly ot 11.10 but the risk of that not working is higher13:15
OceanAcousticsGuI'm looking now for docs on new installation of 11.10.  Maybe it isn't so hard.13:15
mitya57The best way for you will be doing a new installation of 12.10, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for installation help13:29
mitya57OceanAcousticsGu ^^13:29
OceanAcousticsGuhmmm.  Looking at that now.  Thanks.13:29
OceanAcousticsGuI'm thinking the LTS (12.04) version might be better for me.  don't need the latest and greatest audio stuff etc.13:36
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WaltherAny new ideas on this one?  :)14:42
Waltheroh, derp, copypaste not enabled between host/guest VM14:42
Waltheranyway, launchpad bug #108504414:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 1085044 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-experimental-310 does not provide nvidia-current" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108504414:43
WaltherOh, nice one, ubottu14:43
mitya57Walther, as jibel said, it's bumblebee bug.14:47
Waltherthe bumblebee dev(s) tend to disagree, from what i've talked with him14:49
mitya57why?14:49
Waltherhttps://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ppa/issues/114:52
mitya57Walther, hm, you may want to post a link to those comments to the report.14:54
Waltherdone14:56
penguin42Walther: Do you have a link to the bumblebee ppa itself; I'm curious which other packages are in there14:58
Waltherpenguin42: sorry, can't really paste links and can't be arsed to type the whole url (I'm on windows side, among other things my irc is in a virtual machine and paste doesn't work fr some reason15:00
Waltheryou should find it with a couple clicks / google search15:00
penguin42Walther: Is it the stable one you're using; here: https://launchpad.net/~bumblebee/+archive/stable ?15:00
Walthershould be it15:00
penguin42Walther: Out of curiousity, which laptop?15:02
WaltherAsus UX32VD, 13" fullHD, ivy bridge i7, nvidia 620m + installed a 256gb ssd on my own15:03
penguin42Walther: Nod, I've had to fight a Thinkpad w520 recently that's a Sandybridge + nvidia; I switched it out of the Optimus mode15:04
WaltherI rather like optimus, the sandy/ivy series of builtin gpu is pretty nice enough and guarantees a battery life15:05
penguin42Walther: I suspect the only way you're going to get to the bottom of your bug is with one of the guys who put the package together; there is probably a lot of war stories of which things they had to make work and that drives the history of what they made it provide/depend/recommend etc15:05
Waltherand when necessary, I should be able to use nvidia15:06
Waltherwell, to be perfectly honest, I appreciate the work of both devs (ubuntu/bumblebee), but I don't really care about neither's opinions on which side should fix it15:07
Waltheri just kinda want to be the messenger and get the two groups talking and get it working :P15:07
penguin42Walther: yeh but I think you're going to need to find a specialist who understands it, because it's probably pretty hairy15:08
WaltherMost probably; and that's why i've been so active about this one- posting to launchpad, talking in all kinds of dev channels, etc15:09
penguin42Walther: From my reading there's a problem on both sides; it seems reasonable to me for 'nvidia-current' to only be the 'current' one; so then what should bumblebee depend on; and I can't see there being anything sensible for it to depedn on15:09
Waltherand yet on the other hand the experimental driver should be able to provide that metapackage15:09
Waltheryes, I see it as well15:09
penguin42Walther: Well I think they should all provide some common thing; but I've got sympathy that current should just be current not experimental15:10
penguin42Walther: So that you could always get back to stable by installing nvidia-current15:10
Waltheryeah... if it weren't for the big internet and big world out there, I wouldn't mind getting the guys from both teams to a pub and offer a round of beers and getting it all sorted15:10
penguin42haha yes15:11
penguin42Walther: But there's so many weird things on those packages it just has to be from experience; like I understand why it conflicts with fglrx, I don't understand why it rpovides it though15:11
Walthermmmh15:11
penguin42Walther: The bumblebee guys could fix it by changing their dependencies to nvidia-current|nvidia-current-updates|nvidia-experiemental.... etc although they'd have to keep it up to date when new experiementals landed15:16
Waltheryeah, and that would be difficult15:17
Waltherit could probably be a bit easier for everyone if the -experimental would provide -current properly and cause less conflicts15:18
Waltherbut that's difficult as well15:18
Waltherbut hey, if bugs/issues were easy, they wouldn't be bugs or issues15:19
Walthermerely papercuts15:19
penguin42Walther: Hang on, I've just done an apt-cache show nvidia-experimental-310 on Quantal and it shows Provides: fglrx, fglrx-updates, nvidia-173, nvidia-173-updates, nvidia-96, nvidia-96-updates, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-updates, xorg-driver-video15:19
penguin42Walther: So that looks like it does provide nvidia-current - so what's the problem?15:20
Waltherpenguin42: check the description; i've updated / clarified it15:20
Waltherit does provide it, but it also manages to *conflict* it15:20
penguin42hmm yes I'm not sure how that works15:22
penguin42Walther: OK, so that seems correct according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual15:23
penguin42but that's the 1st time I've read how that stuff works15:24
Waltherbut it doesn't seem to replace it correctly15:24
Waltheranyway, i'm the wrong person for this; i'm merely a messenger ;)15:25
penguin42Walther: Do you have somewhere the output of apt-cache show bumblebee-nvidia ?15:26
Walthersorry, I'm watching Torchwood on netflix and due silly silverlight requirements I'm booted on Windows side, and my Ubuntu VM understandably doesn't have the ppa set up15:26
penguin42Walther: OK, so the bit that makes me worry is the line in one of your debug lines that says 'Broken bumblebee-nvidia:i386 Depends on nvidia-current [ i386 ] < 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu2 > ( restricted/misc ) (>= 260.19.12~)'15:27
penguin42Walther: Makes me think that bumblebee is asking for a specific version of the driver, and that would explain it15:27
Waltherit's asking for a version equal or newer than 260, should be easy to satisfy15:28
Waltherthose <> are just as brackets around the package name15:28
penguin42Walther: But what's the 304.51 in that line?15:28
Waltheramonakov would know better15:29
penguin42Walther: Ah see comment #415:30
penguin42Walther: That makes sense to me15:30
Waltherdoesn't make any sense to me though, which is why I'm the wrong person to explain this to :)15:31
Waltheri only want this fixed and everybody happy, just a messenger15:31
jibelWalther, look at python-pycuda or boinc-nvidia-cuda for example they both depend on an unversioned nvidia-current and are installable with nvidia-experimental15:53
pietro98-albinihello16:34
pietro98-albinii'm triageing a bug but the status "Triaged" is disabled16:34
pietro98-albiniwhy?16:34
jibelpietro98-albini, members of the Ubuntu Bug Control team can set to 'triaged'16:38
jibelhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage for reference16:38
pietro98-albiniah, i haven't read that part16:38
penguin42pietro98-albini: Just ask on here and tell us the bug number and tell us why you think it should be triaged, and what severity and we'll set it16:41
jibelpietro98-albini, which bug want you set to triaged?16:44
pietro98-albinithe bug is #1085657, but don't set triaged, i setted "Incoplete"16:46
penguin42if you say bug 1085657   the bot will give us a URL16:48
ubot2Launchpad bug 1085657 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager fails." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/108565716:48
penguin42nice bot16:48
jibelpietro98-albini, I just asked for sources.list to help fixing it. Actually the status should be invalid because it is not a bug but a user error.16:49
pietro98-albiniok16:49
pietro98-albinii'm new16:49
penguin42that's ok; it takes a little while to get used to it16:51
krabadoron ubuntu 12.10, when i try to install nvidia-173 package, i've "Depends: xorg-video-abi-11  but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable"19:56
penguin42sure that's on 12.10 ?19:58
krabadorpenguin42, yes20:03
krabadorit's my actual trouble20:03
krabadori changed my ati 9600pro with an nvidia fx 5900, and i've that.20:03
krabadorpenguin42, if you want, i can paste some kind of log,20:04
penguin42krabador: Probably better to find someone who knows the Nvidia stuff more20:04
penguin42krabador: Looks like bug 106419220:05
ubot2Launchpad bug 1064192 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu Quantal) "[update request] nvidia-173.14.36 adds support for xserver ABI 13 [quantal]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106419220:05
krabadorpenguin42, yes...20:06
penguin42krabador: Looks like someone is working on it; seems to say it's fixed in Raring and he's proposed a fix for Quantal; so nearly there20:06
krabadorpenguin42, i'm hoping, because nouveau are almost unusable with this card and unity20:09
penguin42krabador: speed wise or something else?20:10
penguin42krabador: Might be worth checking that it is supposedly providing the GL ok, and not falling back to entirely software20:11
krabadorpenguin42, really really slow20:50
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zzecoolGuys im having a strange problem today , when i try to start a video im crashing to the login screen .  Do you have any advice what logs should i take a look?21:38
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