| psusi | is it correct to file a bug against ubuntu-docs for errors in the wiki? | 01:31 |
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| dlbike76 | hggdh ping | 06:17 |
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| OceanAcousticsGu | There seems to be a problem with the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04. Here is the error message: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found. Anybody know how to fix this? Thanks. | 13:08 |
| jtaylor | 11.04 is not supported anymore | 13:09 |
| jtaylor | you have to use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz | 13:10 |
| OceanAcousticsGu | I am running 10.10 and would like to get to 11.10. Is my upgrade path via 11.04, or do I need to do a complete install of 11.04? Thanks. | 13:12 |
| jtaylor | the upgrade path is via 11.04 | 13:12 |
| jtaylor | but you are much to late | 13:12 |
| jtaylor | you have to upgrade via the archive | 13:13 |
| jtaylor | you are probably better of with a fresh install | 13:13 |
| OceanAcousticsGu | I think you are right. I have a friend who can help me do that. I worry about getting everything backed up. Thanks again. | 13:14 |
| jtaylor | you could try to go directly ot 11.10 but the risk of that not working is higher | 13:15 |
| OceanAcousticsGu | I'm looking now for docs on new installation of 11.10. Maybe it isn't so hard. | 13:15 |
| mitya57 | The best way for you will be doing a new installation of 12.10, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for installation help | 13:29 |
| mitya57 | OceanAcousticsGu ^^ | 13:29 |
| OceanAcousticsGu | hmmm. Looking at that now. Thanks. | 13:29 |
| OceanAcousticsGu | I'm thinking the LTS (12.04) version might be better for me. don't need the latest and greatest audio stuff etc. | 13:36 |
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| Walther | Any new ideas on this one? :) | 14:42 |
| Walther | oh, derp, copypaste not enabled between host/guest VM | 14:42 |
| Walther | anyway, launchpad bug #1085044 | 14:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1085044 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-experimental-310 does not provide nvidia-current" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085044 | 14:43 |
| Walther | Oh, nice one, ubottu | 14:43 |
| mitya57 | Walther, as jibel said, it's bumblebee bug. | 14:47 |
| Walther | the bumblebee dev(s) tend to disagree, from what i've talked with him | 14:49 |
| mitya57 | why? | 14:49 |
| Walther | https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ppa/issues/1 | 14:52 |
| mitya57 | Walther, hm, you may want to post a link to those comments to the report. | 14:54 |
| Walther | done | 14:56 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Do you have a link to the bumblebee ppa itself; I'm curious which other packages are in there | 14:58 |
| Walther | penguin42: sorry, can't really paste links and can't be arsed to type the whole url (I'm on windows side, among other things my irc is in a virtual machine and paste doesn't work fr some reason | 15:00 |
| Walther | you should find it with a couple clicks / google search | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Is it the stable one you're using; here: https://launchpad.net/~bumblebee/+archive/stable ? | 15:00 |
| Walther | should be it | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Out of curiousity, which laptop? | 15:02 |
| Walther | Asus UX32VD, 13" fullHD, ivy bridge i7, nvidia 620m + installed a 256gb ssd on my own | 15:03 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Nod, I've had to fight a Thinkpad w520 recently that's a Sandybridge + nvidia; I switched it out of the Optimus mode | 15:04 |
| Walther | I rather like optimus, the sandy/ivy series of builtin gpu is pretty nice enough and guarantees a battery life | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | Walther: I suspect the only way you're going to get to the bottom of your bug is with one of the guys who put the package together; there is probably a lot of war stories of which things they had to make work and that drives the history of what they made it provide/depend/recommend etc | 15:05 |
| Walther | and when necessary, I should be able to use nvidia | 15:06 |
| Walther | well, to be perfectly honest, I appreciate the work of both devs (ubuntu/bumblebee), but I don't really care about neither's opinions on which side should fix it | 15:07 |
| Walther | i just kinda want to be the messenger and get the two groups talking and get it working :P | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | Walther: yeh but I think you're going to need to find a specialist who understands it, because it's probably pretty hairy | 15:08 |
| Walther | Most probably; and that's why i've been so active about this one- posting to launchpad, talking in all kinds of dev channels, etc | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | Walther: From my reading there's a problem on both sides; it seems reasonable to me for 'nvidia-current' to only be the 'current' one; so then what should bumblebee depend on; and I can't see there being anything sensible for it to depedn on | 15:09 |
| Walther | and yet on the other hand the experimental driver should be able to provide that metapackage | 15:09 |
| Walther | yes, I see it as well | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Well I think they should all provide some common thing; but I've got sympathy that current should just be current not experimental | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | Walther: So that you could always get back to stable by installing nvidia-current | 15:10 |
| Walther | yeah... if it weren't for the big internet and big world out there, I wouldn't mind getting the guys from both teams to a pub and offer a round of beers and getting it all sorted | 15:10 |
| penguin42 | haha yes | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | Walther: But there's so many weird things on those packages it just has to be from experience; like I understand why it conflicts with fglrx, I don't understand why it rpovides it though | 15:11 |
| Walther | mmmh | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | Walther: The bumblebee guys could fix it by changing their dependencies to nvidia-current|nvidia-current-updates|nvidia-experiemental.... etc although they'd have to keep it up to date when new experiementals landed | 15:16 |
| Walther | yeah, and that would be difficult | 15:17 |
| Walther | it could probably be a bit easier for everyone if the -experimental would provide -current properly and cause less conflicts | 15:18 |
| Walther | but that's difficult as well | 15:18 |
| Walther | but hey, if bugs/issues were easy, they wouldn't be bugs or issues | 15:19 |
| Walther | merely papercuts | 15:19 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Hang on, I've just done an apt-cache show nvidia-experimental-310 on Quantal and it shows Provides: fglrx, fglrx-updates, nvidia-173, nvidia-173-updates, nvidia-96, nvidia-96-updates, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-updates, xorg-driver-video | 15:19 |
| penguin42 | Walther: So that looks like it does provide nvidia-current - so what's the problem? | 15:20 |
| Walther | penguin42: check the description; i've updated / clarified it | 15:20 |
| Walther | it does provide it, but it also manages to *conflict* it | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | hmm yes I'm not sure how that works | 15:22 |
| penguin42 | Walther: OK, so that seems correct according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual | 15:23 |
| penguin42 | but that's the 1st time I've read how that stuff works | 15:24 |
| Walther | but it doesn't seem to replace it correctly | 15:24 |
| Walther | anyway, i'm the wrong person for this; i'm merely a messenger ;) | 15:25 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Do you have somewhere the output of apt-cache show bumblebee-nvidia ? | 15:26 |
| Walther | sorry, I'm watching Torchwood on netflix and due silly silverlight requirements I'm booted on Windows side, and my Ubuntu VM understandably doesn't have the ppa set up | 15:26 |
| penguin42 | Walther: OK, so the bit that makes me worry is the line in one of your debug lines that says 'Broken bumblebee-nvidia:i386 Depends on nvidia-current [ i386 ] < 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu2 > ( restricted/misc ) (>= 260.19.12~)' | 15:27 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Makes me think that bumblebee is asking for a specific version of the driver, and that would explain it | 15:27 |
| Walther | it's asking for a version equal or newer than 260, should be easy to satisfy | 15:28 |
| Walther | those <> are just as brackets around the package name | 15:28 |
| penguin42 | Walther: But what's the 304.51 in that line? | 15:28 |
| Walther | amonakov would know better | 15:29 |
| penguin42 | Walther: Ah see comment #4 | 15:30 |
| penguin42 | Walther: That makes sense to me | 15:30 |
| Walther | doesn't make any sense to me though, which is why I'm the wrong person to explain this to :) | 15:31 |
| Walther | i only want this fixed and everybody happy, just a messenger | 15:31 |
| jibel | Walther, look at python-pycuda or boinc-nvidia-cuda for example they both depend on an unversioned nvidia-current and are installable with nvidia-experimental | 15:53 |
| pietro98-albini | hello | 16:34 |
| pietro98-albini | i'm triageing a bug but the status "Triaged" is disabled | 16:34 |
| pietro98-albini | why? | 16:34 |
| jibel | pietro98-albini, members of the Ubuntu Bug Control team can set to 'triaged' | 16:38 |
| jibel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage for reference | 16:38 |
| pietro98-albini | ah, i haven't read that part | 16:38 |
| penguin42 | pietro98-albini: Just ask on here and tell us the bug number and tell us why you think it should be triaged, and what severity and we'll set it | 16:41 |
| jibel | pietro98-albini, which bug want you set to triaged? | 16:44 |
| pietro98-albini | the bug is #1085657, but don't set triaged, i setted "Incoplete" | 16:46 |
| penguin42 | if you say bug 1085657 the bot will give us a URL | 16:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1085657 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager fails." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085657 | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | nice bot | 16:48 |
| jibel | pietro98-albini, I just asked for sources.list to help fixing it. Actually the status should be invalid because it is not a bug but a user error. | 16:49 |
| pietro98-albini | ok | 16:49 |
| pietro98-albini | i'm new | 16:49 |
| penguin42 | that's ok; it takes a little while to get used to it | 16:51 |
| krabador | on ubuntu 12.10, when i try to install nvidia-173 package, i've "Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable" | 19:56 |
| penguin42 | sure that's on 12.10 ? | 19:58 |
| krabador | penguin42, yes | 20:03 |
| krabador | it's my actual trouble | 20:03 |
| krabador | i changed my ati 9600pro with an nvidia fx 5900, and i've that. | 20:03 |
| krabador | penguin42, if you want, i can paste some kind of log, | 20:04 |
| penguin42 | krabador: Probably better to find someone who knows the Nvidia stuff more | 20:04 |
| penguin42 | krabador: Looks like bug 1064192 | 20:05 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1064192 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu Quantal) "[update request] nvidia-173.14.36 adds support for xserver ABI 13 [quantal]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064192 | 20:05 |
| krabador | penguin42, yes... | 20:06 |
| penguin42 | krabador: Looks like someone is working on it; seems to say it's fixed in Raring and he's proposed a fix for Quantal; so nearly there | 20:06 |
| krabador | penguin42, i'm hoping, because nouveau are almost unusable with this card and unity | 20:09 |
| penguin42 | krabador: speed wise or something else? | 20:10 |
| penguin42 | krabador: Might be worth checking that it is supposedly providing the GL ok, and not falling back to entirely software | 20:11 |
| krabador | penguin42, really really slow | 20:50 |
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| zzecool | Guys im having a strange problem today , when i try to start a video im crashing to the login screen . Do you have any advice what logs should i take a look? | 21:38 |
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