[01:31] <psusi> is it correct to file a bug against ubuntu-docs for errors in the wiki?
[06:17] <dlbike76> hggdh ping
[13:08] <OceanAcousticsGu> There seems to be a problem with the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04.  Here is the error message: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404  Not Found.  Anybody know how to fix this?  Thanks.
[13:09] <jtaylor> 11.04 is not supported anymore
[13:10] <jtaylor> you have to use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[13:12] <OceanAcousticsGu> I am running 10.10 and would like to get to 11.10.  Is my upgrade path via 11.04, or do I need to do a complete install of 11.04?  Thanks.
[13:12] <jtaylor> the upgrade path is via 11.04
[13:12] <jtaylor> but you are much to late
[13:13] <jtaylor> you have to upgrade via the archive
[13:13] <jtaylor> you are probably better of with a fresh install
[13:14] <OceanAcousticsGu> I think you are right.  I have a friend who can help me do that.  I worry about getting everything backed up.  Thanks again.
[13:15] <jtaylor> you could try to go directly ot 11.10 but the risk of that not working is higher
[13:15] <OceanAcousticsGu> I'm looking now for docs on new installation of 11.10.  Maybe it isn't so hard.
[13:29] <mitya57> The best way for you will be doing a new installation of 12.10, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for installation help
[13:29] <mitya57> OceanAcousticsGu ^^
[13:29] <OceanAcousticsGu> hmmm.  Looking at that now.  Thanks.
[13:36] <OceanAcousticsGu> I'm thinking the LTS (12.04) version might be better for me.  don't need the latest and greatest audio stuff etc.
[14:42] <Walther> Any new ideas on this one?  :)
[14:42] <Walther> oh, derp, copypaste not enabled between host/guest VM
[14:43] <Walther> anyway, launchpad bug #1085044
[14:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1085044 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-experimental-310 does not provide nvidia-current" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085044
[14:43] <Walther> Oh, nice one, ubottu
[14:47] <mitya57> Walther, as jibel said, it's bumblebee bug.
[14:49] <Walther> the bumblebee dev(s) tend to disagree, from what i've talked with him
[14:49] <mitya57> why?
[14:52] <Walther> https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ppa/issues/1
[14:54] <mitya57> Walther, hm, you may want to post a link to those comments to the report.
[14:56] <Walther> done
[14:58] <penguin42> Walther: Do you have a link to the bumblebee ppa itself; I'm curious which other packages are in there
[15:00] <Walther> penguin42: sorry, can't really paste links and can't be arsed to type the whole url (I'm on windows side, among other things my irc is in a virtual machine and paste doesn't work fr some reason
[15:00] <Walther> you should find it with a couple clicks / google search
[15:00] <penguin42> Walther: Is it the stable one you're using; here: https://launchpad.net/~bumblebee/+archive/stable ?
[15:00] <Walther> should be it
[15:02] <penguin42> Walther: Out of curiousity, which laptop?
[15:03] <Walther> Asus UX32VD, 13" fullHD, ivy bridge i7, nvidia 620m + installed a 256gb ssd on my own
[15:04] <penguin42> Walther: Nod, I've had to fight a Thinkpad w520 recently that's a Sandybridge + nvidia; I switched it out of the Optimus mode
[15:05] <Walther> I rather like optimus, the sandy/ivy series of builtin gpu is pretty nice enough and guarantees a battery life
[15:05] <penguin42> Walther: I suspect the only way you're going to get to the bottom of your bug is with one of the guys who put the package together; there is probably a lot of war stories of which things they had to make work and that drives the history of what they made it provide/depend/recommend etc
[15:06] <Walther> and when necessary, I should be able to use nvidia
[15:07] <Walther> well, to be perfectly honest, I appreciate the work of both devs (ubuntu/bumblebee), but I don't really care about neither's opinions on which side should fix it
[15:07] <Walther> i just kinda want to be the messenger and get the two groups talking and get it working :P
[15:08] <penguin42> Walther: yeh but I think you're going to need to find a specialist who understands it, because it's probably pretty hairy
[15:09] <Walther> Most probably; and that's why i've been so active about this one- posting to launchpad, talking in all kinds of dev channels, etc
[15:09] <penguin42> Walther: From my reading there's a problem on both sides; it seems reasonable to me for 'nvidia-current' to only be the 'current' one; so then what should bumblebee depend on; and I can't see there being anything sensible for it to depedn on
[15:09] <Walther> and yet on the other hand the experimental driver should be able to provide that metapackage
[15:09] <Walther> yes, I see it as well
[15:10] <penguin42> Walther: Well I think they should all provide some common thing; but I've got sympathy that current should just be current not experimental
[15:10] <penguin42> Walther: So that you could always get back to stable by installing nvidia-current
[15:10] <Walther> yeah... if it weren't for the big internet and big world out there, I wouldn't mind getting the guys from both teams to a pub and offer a round of beers and getting it all sorted
[15:11] <penguin42> haha yes
[15:11] <penguin42> Walther: But there's so many weird things on those packages it just has to be from experience; like I understand why it conflicts with fglrx, I don't understand why it rpovides it though
[15:11] <Walther> mmmh
[15:16] <penguin42> Walther: The bumblebee guys could fix it by changing their dependencies to nvidia-current|nvidia-current-updates|nvidia-experiemental.... etc although they'd have to keep it up to date when new experiementals landed
[15:17] <Walther> yeah, and that would be difficult
[15:18] <Walther> it could probably be a bit easier for everyone if the -experimental would provide -current properly and cause less conflicts
[15:18] <Walther> but that's difficult as well
[15:19] <Walther> but hey, if bugs/issues were easy, they wouldn't be bugs or issues
[15:19] <Walther> merely papercuts
[15:19] <penguin42> Walther: Hang on, I've just done an apt-cache show nvidia-experimental-310 on Quantal and it shows Provides: fglrx, fglrx-updates, nvidia-173, nvidia-173-updates, nvidia-96, nvidia-96-updates, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-updates, xorg-driver-video
[15:20] <penguin42> Walther: So that looks like it does provide nvidia-current - so what's the problem?
[15:20] <Walther> penguin42: check the description; i've updated / clarified it
[15:20] <Walther> it does provide it, but it also manages to *conflict* it
[15:22] <penguin42> hmm yes I'm not sure how that works
[15:23] <penguin42> Walther: OK, so that seems correct according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual
[15:24] <penguin42> but that's the 1st time I've read how that stuff works
[15:24] <Walther> but it doesn't seem to replace it correctly
[15:25] <Walther> anyway, i'm the wrong person for this; i'm merely a messenger ;)
[15:26] <penguin42> Walther: Do you have somewhere the output of apt-cache show bumblebee-nvidia ?
[15:26] <Walther> sorry, I'm watching Torchwood on netflix and due silly silverlight requirements I'm booted on Windows side, and my Ubuntu VM understandably doesn't have the ppa set up
[15:27] <penguin42> Walther: OK, so the bit that makes me worry is the line in one of your debug lines that says 'Broken bumblebee-nvidia:i386 Depends on nvidia-current [ i386 ] < 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu2 > ( restricted/misc ) (>= 260.19.12~)'
[15:27] <penguin42> Walther: Makes me think that bumblebee is asking for a specific version of the driver, and that would explain it
[15:28] <Walther> it's asking for a version equal or newer than 260, should be easy to satisfy
[15:28] <Walther> those <> are just as brackets around the package name
[15:28] <penguin42> Walther: But what's the 304.51 in that line?
[15:29] <Walther> amonakov would know better
[15:30] <penguin42> Walther: Ah see comment #4
[15:30] <penguin42> Walther: That makes sense to me
[15:31] <Walther> doesn't make any sense to me though, which is why I'm the wrong person to explain this to :)
[15:31] <Walther> i only want this fixed and everybody happy, just a messenger
[15:53] <jibel> Walther, look at python-pycuda or boinc-nvidia-cuda for example they both depend on an unversioned nvidia-current and are installable with nvidia-experimental
[16:34] <pietro98-albini> hello
[16:34] <pietro98-albini> i'm triageing a bug but the status "Triaged" is disabled
[16:34] <pietro98-albini> why?
[16:38] <jibel> pietro98-albini, members of the Ubuntu Bug Control team can set to 'triaged'
[16:38] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage for reference
[16:38] <pietro98-albini> ah, i haven't read that part
[16:41] <penguin42> pietro98-albini: Just ask on here and tell us the bug number and tell us why you think it should be triaged, and what severity and we'll set it
[16:44] <jibel> pietro98-albini, which bug want you set to triaged?
[16:46] <pietro98-albini> the bug is #1085657, but don't set triaged, i setted "Incoplete"
[16:48] <penguin42> if you say bug 1085657   the bot will give us a URL
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1085657 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager fails." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085657
[16:48] <penguin42> nice bot
[16:49] <jibel> pietro98-albini, I just asked for sources.list to help fixing it. Actually the status should be invalid because it is not a bug but a user error.
[16:49] <pietro98-albini> ok
[16:49] <pietro98-albini> i'm new
[16:51] <penguin42> that's ok; it takes a little while to get used to it
[19:56] <krabador> on ubuntu 12.10, when i try to install nvidia-173 package, i've "Depends: xorg-video-abi-11  but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable"
[19:58] <penguin42> sure that's on 12.10 ?
[20:03] <krabador> penguin42, yes
[20:03] <krabador> it's my actual trouble
[20:03] <krabador> i changed my ati 9600pro with an nvidia fx 5900, and i've that.
[20:04] <krabador> penguin42, if you want, i can paste some kind of log,
[20:04] <penguin42> krabador: Probably better to find someone who knows the Nvidia stuff more
[20:05] <penguin42> krabador: Looks like bug 1064192
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064192 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu Quantal) "[update request] nvidia-173.14.36 adds support for xserver ABI 13 [quantal]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064192
[20:06] <krabador> penguin42, yes...
[20:06] <penguin42> krabador: Looks like someone is working on it; seems to say it's fixed in Raring and he's proposed a fix for Quantal; so nearly there
[20:09] <krabador> penguin42, i'm hoping, because nouveau are almost unusable with this card and unity
[20:10] <penguin42> krabador: speed wise or something else?
[20:11] <penguin42> krabador: Might be worth checking that it is supposedly providing the GL ok, and not falling back to entirely software
[20:50] <krabador> penguin42, really really slow
[21:38] <zzecool> Guys im having a strange problem today , when i try to start a video im crashing to the login screen .  Do you have any advice what logs should i take a look?