[01:31] is it correct to file a bug against ubuntu-docs for errors in the wiki? === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === dlbike76_ is now known as dlbike76 === chilicuil is now known as chilicuil_away [06:17] hggdh ping === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:08] There seems to be a problem with the upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04. Here is the error message: http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found. Anybody know how to fix this? Thanks. [13:09] 11.04 is not supported anymore [13:10] you have to use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz [13:12] I am running 10.10 and would like to get to 11.10. Is my upgrade path via 11.04, or do I need to do a complete install of 11.04? Thanks. [13:12] the upgrade path is via 11.04 [13:12] but you are much to late [13:13] you have to upgrade via the archive [13:13] you are probably better of with a fresh install [13:14] I think you are right. I have a friend who can help me do that. I worry about getting everything backed up. Thanks again. [13:15] you could try to go directly ot 11.10 but the risk of that not working is higher [13:15] I'm looking now for docs on new installation of 11.10. Maybe it isn't so hard. [13:29] The best way for you will be doing a new installation of 12.10, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for installation help [13:29] OceanAcousticsGu ^^ [13:29] hmmm. Looking at that now. Thanks. [13:36] I'm thinking the LTS (12.04) version might be better for me. don't need the latest and greatest audio stuff etc. === elleuca is now known as Guest58808 [14:42] Any new ideas on this one? :) [14:42] oh, derp, copypaste not enabled between host/guest VM [14:43] anyway, launchpad bug #1085044 [14:43] Launchpad bug 1085044 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-experimental-310 (Ubuntu) "nvidia-experimental-310 does not provide nvidia-current" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085044 [14:43] Oh, nice one, ubottu [14:47] Walther, as jibel said, it's bumblebee bug. [14:49] the bumblebee dev(s) tend to disagree, from what i've talked with him [14:49] why? [14:52] https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/bumblebee-ppa/issues/1 [14:54] Walther, hm, you may want to post a link to those comments to the report. [14:56] done [14:58] Walther: Do you have a link to the bumblebee ppa itself; I'm curious which other packages are in there [15:00] penguin42: sorry, can't really paste links and can't be arsed to type the whole url (I'm on windows side, among other things my irc is in a virtual machine and paste doesn't work fr some reason [15:00] you should find it with a couple clicks / google search [15:00] Walther: Is it the stable one you're using; here: https://launchpad.net/~bumblebee/+archive/stable ? [15:00] should be it [15:02] Walther: Out of curiousity, which laptop? [15:03] Asus UX32VD, 13" fullHD, ivy bridge i7, nvidia 620m + installed a 256gb ssd on my own [15:04] Walther: Nod, I've had to fight a Thinkpad w520 recently that's a Sandybridge + nvidia; I switched it out of the Optimus mode [15:05] I rather like optimus, the sandy/ivy series of builtin gpu is pretty nice enough and guarantees a battery life [15:05] Walther: I suspect the only way you're going to get to the bottom of your bug is with one of the guys who put the package together; there is probably a lot of war stories of which things they had to make work and that drives the history of what they made it provide/depend/recommend etc [15:06] and when necessary, I should be able to use nvidia [15:07] well, to be perfectly honest, I appreciate the work of both devs (ubuntu/bumblebee), but I don't really care about neither's opinions on which side should fix it [15:07] i just kinda want to be the messenger and get the two groups talking and get it working :P [15:08] Walther: yeh but I think you're going to need to find a specialist who understands it, because it's probably pretty hairy [15:09] Most probably; and that's why i've been so active about this one- posting to launchpad, talking in all kinds of dev channels, etc [15:09] Walther: From my reading there's a problem on both sides; it seems reasonable to me for 'nvidia-current' to only be the 'current' one; so then what should bumblebee depend on; and I can't see there being anything sensible for it to depedn on [15:09] and yet on the other hand the experimental driver should be able to provide that metapackage [15:09] yes, I see it as well [15:10] Walther: Well I think they should all provide some common thing; but I've got sympathy that current should just be current not experimental [15:10] Walther: So that you could always get back to stable by installing nvidia-current [15:10] yeah... if it weren't for the big internet and big world out there, I wouldn't mind getting the guys from both teams to a pub and offer a round of beers and getting it all sorted [15:11] haha yes [15:11] Walther: But there's so many weird things on those packages it just has to be from experience; like I understand why it conflicts with fglrx, I don't understand why it rpovides it though [15:11] mmmh [15:16] Walther: The bumblebee guys could fix it by changing their dependencies to nvidia-current|nvidia-current-updates|nvidia-experiemental.... etc although they'd have to keep it up to date when new experiementals landed [15:17] yeah, and that would be difficult [15:18] it could probably be a bit easier for everyone if the -experimental would provide -current properly and cause less conflicts [15:18] but that's difficult as well [15:19] but hey, if bugs/issues were easy, they wouldn't be bugs or issues [15:19] merely papercuts [15:19] Walther: Hang on, I've just done an apt-cache show nvidia-experimental-310 on Quantal and it shows Provides: fglrx, fglrx-updates, nvidia-173, nvidia-173-updates, nvidia-96, nvidia-96-updates, nvidia-current, nvidia-current-updates, xorg-driver-video [15:20] Walther: So that looks like it does provide nvidia-current - so what's the problem? [15:20] penguin42: check the description; i've updated / clarified it [15:20] it does provide it, but it also manages to *conflict* it [15:22] hmm yes I'm not sure how that works [15:23] Walther: OK, so that seems correct according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual [15:24] but that's the 1st time I've read how that stuff works [15:24] but it doesn't seem to replace it correctly [15:25] anyway, i'm the wrong person for this; i'm merely a messenger ;) [15:26] Walther: Do you have somewhere the output of apt-cache show bumblebee-nvidia ? [15:26] sorry, I'm watching Torchwood on netflix and due silly silverlight requirements I'm booted on Windows side, and my Ubuntu VM understandably doesn't have the ppa set up [15:27] Walther: OK, so the bit that makes me worry is the line in one of your debug lines that says 'Broken bumblebee-nvidia:i386 Depends on nvidia-current [ i386 ] < 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu2 > ( restricted/misc ) (>= 260.19.12~)' [15:27] Walther: Makes me think that bumblebee is asking for a specific version of the driver, and that would explain it [15:28] it's asking for a version equal or newer than 260, should be easy to satisfy [15:28] those <> are just as brackets around the package name [15:28] Walther: But what's the 304.51 in that line? [15:29] amonakov would know better [15:30] Walther: Ah see comment #4 [15:30] Walther: That makes sense to me [15:31] doesn't make any sense to me though, which is why I'm the wrong person to explain this to :) [15:31] i only want this fixed and everybody happy, just a messenger [15:53] Walther, look at python-pycuda or boinc-nvidia-cuda for example they both depend on an unversioned nvidia-current and are installable with nvidia-experimental [16:34] hello [16:34] i'm triageing a bug but the status "Triaged" is disabled [16:34] why? [16:38] pietro98-albini, members of the Ubuntu Bug Control team can set to 'triaged' [16:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage for reference [16:38] ah, i haven't read that part [16:41] pietro98-albini: Just ask on here and tell us the bug number and tell us why you think it should be triaged, and what severity and we'll set it [16:44] pietro98-albini, which bug want you set to triaged? [16:46] the bug is #1085657, but don't set triaged, i setted "Incoplete" [16:48] if you say bug 1085657 the bot will give us a URL [16:48] Launchpad bug 1085657 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Update Manager fails." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085657 [16:48] nice bot [16:49] pietro98-albini, I just asked for sources.list to help fixing it. Actually the status should be invalid because it is not a bug but a user error. [16:49] ok [16:49] i'm new [16:51] that's ok; it takes a little while to get used to it [19:56] on ubuntu 12.10, when i try to install nvidia-173 package, i've "Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable" [19:58] sure that's on 12.10 ? [20:03] penguin42, yes [20:03] it's my actual trouble [20:03] i changed my ati 9600pro with an nvidia fx 5900, and i've that. [20:04] penguin42, if you want, i can paste some kind of log, [20:04] krabador: Probably better to find someone who knows the Nvidia stuff more [20:05] krabador: Looks like bug 1064192 [20:05] Launchpad bug 1064192 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu Quantal) "[update request] nvidia-173.14.36 adds support for xserver ABI 13 [quantal]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064192 [20:06] penguin42, yes... [20:06] krabador: Looks like someone is working on it; seems to say it's fixed in Raring and he's proposed a fix for Quantal; so nearly there [20:09] penguin42, i'm hoping, because nouveau are almost unusable with this card and unity [20:10] krabador: speed wise or something else? [20:11] krabador: Might be worth checking that it is supposedly providing the GL ok, and not falling back to entirely software [20:50] penguin42, really really slow === chilicuil_away is now known as chilicuil [21:38] Guys im having a strange problem today , when i try to start a video im crashing to the login screen . Do you have any advice what logs should i take a look? === chilicuil is now known as chilicuil_away