[07:57] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, hey
[07:58] <ajmitch> hello again
[07:58] <coolbhavi> seems like quadrispro cant make it
[07:59] <coolbhavi> #startmeeting ubuntu arb meeting
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[08:00] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, here is the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda
[08:00] <ajmitch> yep, I have it open
[08:01] <ajmitch> it's been awhile since the last meeting & the group has shrunk a little bit, not sure how relevant old action items are
[08:02] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, yes. So there are a couple of real burning issues: 1) the review process almost seems to be slowed down 2) the dev's who have submitted their packages as a part of app developer showdown are really angry
[08:03] <ajmitch> yes, I'm sorry that I haven't been doing a lot on the queue lately, I'm guessing that we've had 0 interest from other ubuntu developers to look over packages
[08:04] <coolbhavi> ajmitch,  thats perfectly fine :-) any thoughts on how to keep the reviews rolling over until we have the new arb process in place?
[08:05]  * ajmitch has been trying to look at tools more than the queue lately, but hasn't got much to show
[08:05] <ajmitch> there's no easy way to get the reviews done unless we just do them
[08:06] <ajmitch> even if I get you a queue that has lintian/licensecheck run & builds packages automatically, there's still a fair bit of manual work to do
[08:06]  * coolbhavi too is concentrating on getting arb profile into lintian so we can get another app review week going
[08:07] <ajmitch> that'll help a bit
[08:07] <ajmitch> most of the work items I have from UDS are related to tools like this
[08:08] <coolbhavi> any thoughts of about getting the queue closed for sometime (as in a freeze period) and concentrate on clearing the queue
[08:08] <coolbhavi> for some time?
[08:08] <coolbhavi> would that help?
[08:08] <ajmitch> we don't have a large number of new submissions, I think closing the queue could be seen fairly negatively
[08:09] <ajmitch> then again, it's not like we could make the reputation much worse :)
[08:10] <coolbhavi> hmm agreed it has negatives but the queue has around 100+ apps I believe
[08:11] <ajmitch> we did talk about this at UDS & considering closing the queue to be a bad idea
[08:11] <ajmitch> do you think we can just pick through the queue for packages that are 99% ready & get those in?
[08:12] <ajmitch> I'll try & get some of this automation in place asap so that we can see what's low-hanging fruit
[08:13] <coolbhavi> yes those in pending review and review in progress especially ones from app-developer-showdown might help
[08:15] <ajmitch> any ideas on convincing people that they should help out? :)
[08:15] <ajmitch> it's been a struggle since the ARB was introduced, so I'm not optimistic
[08:16] <coolbhavi> I'll add a action item for both then to identify packages which are already in shape
[08:17] <coolbhavi> yes but as you said it was a struggle as it requires some amount of motivation and free time
[08:17] <ajmitch> and for people to consider extras.u.c to be worthwhile
[08:18] <ajmitch> for most developers, new packages are a low priority anyway
[08:18] <coolbhavi> +1 added to that the queue is not so public facing
[08:20] <coolbhavi> #action ajmitch and coolbhavi to scout for some low hanging fruits in the queue to help clear the queue
[08:20] <meetingology> ACTION: ajmitch and coolbhavi to scout for some low hanging fruits in the queue to help clear the queue
[08:21] <coolbhavi> do you think a new round of recruitment can help in this regard?
[08:21] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, ^^
[08:22] <ajmitch> maybe a little bit, but we haven't really had anyone interested despite recent mails to the list about the process
[08:23] <coolbhavi> yes. but considering a 7 member team will be more effective than a 3 member team right now it might help
[08:24] <ajmitch> sure, if you can get 4 more people to step forward & commit
[08:24] <coolbhavi> I'll bring this up on the list then for discussion
[08:25] <coolbhavi> #action coolbhavi to mail the arb list about a new round of recruitment
[08:25] <meetingology> ACTION: coolbhavi to mail the arb list about a new round of recruitment
[08:25] <ajmitch> ok
[08:28] <ajmitch> has the TB approved the process change?
[08:28] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, the other two points were: still we have not got any formal signoff from the TB regarding new arb process and we were not able to meet frequently in the recent past
[08:29] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, can you help regarding reaching out to the TB for a formal approval?
[08:30] <ajmitch> yes, that's why I asked about the TB signoff, I know that it was mentioned in a TB meeting
[08:30] <ajmitch> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-November/001437.html is the last action on the TB list
[08:31] <ajmitch> I'll check & see if they want to approve it or if we just go with it
[08:31] <coolbhavi> great!
[08:31] <ajmitch> I suspect they'll be fine with us just going ahead, there were no objections on the list
[08:32] <coolbhavi> yes agreed but a formal signoff would be a good go ahead signal for us to atleast follow up on ubuntu-devel
[08:32] <ajmitch> right
[08:33] <ajmitch> so the other thing is more regular meetings
[08:33] <coolbhavi> I'll mark down an action for this
[08:34] <coolbhavi> #action ajmitch to check with the TB for approval of new arb process
[08:34] <meetingology> ACTION: ajmitch to check with the TB for approval of new arb process
[08:34] <coolbhavi> regarding meetings
[08:35] <coolbhavi> how about having meetings on sunday this time as long as a new recruitment run goes into pace?
[08:35] <ajmitch> fine by me
[08:36] <coolbhavi> great then! ll catch up with alessio too regarding this.
[08:37] <ajmitch> ok, hopefully he can make it to the next one
[08:37] <ajmitch> I'm guessing once a month is enough?
[08:38] <coolbhavi> right. but twice in a month for next couple of months maybe wont harm as it enables us to track the queue better I think. But then its your choice :)
[08:39] <ajmitch> christmas holidays are coming up, so twice a month will be pushing it
[08:40] <coolbhavi> :) fine then!
[08:40] <coolbhavi> any other things up for discussion?
[08:41] <ajmitch> I think that's about it
[08:42] <coolbhavi> thanks a lot ajmitch for coming in :) you are really one of the arb's rockstars :)
[08:42] <ajmitch> no, not really :P
[08:43] <coolbhavi> atleast you were one of those guys who formed the arb :) thanks a lot again!
[08:43] <coolbhavi> #endmeeting
[08:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Dec  2 08:43:29 2012 UTC.
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[08:43] <ajmitch> thanks for chairing, I'll try & get some stuff together soon to help with reviews
[08:43] <ajmitch> for now, I'm out, see you round
[08:43] <coolbhavi> no mention :-) ciao