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| jtaylor | micahg: ping ipython backport | 21:34 |
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| micahg | jtaylor: hi, sorry, will try to take a look at bit later todya | 21:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | Is "Would like to have an updated version of $package in $release" a valid backport reason? | 21:58 |
| jtaylor | depends on the impact | 21:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | universe package ZNC | 21:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | an IRC boucner. | 21:59 |
| jtaylor | if no rdepends thats probably fine | 21:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | what's the command to check for rdeps again? | 21:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | oh wait | 21:59 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: as long as you do the reverse dependency testing, sure | 21:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | requestbackport... the message says this (havent filed yet): No reverse dependencies | 21:59 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, how thorough is requestbackport's rdeps checking? | 21:59 |
| micahg | should be pretty thorough | 22:00 |
| TheLordOfTime | okay, i've filed the backport request for ZNC (to Quantal), and i plan on testing it in about an hour and a half after i'm back at home. (build tests already were done though :P) | 22:06 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, for packages with debug symbols, is it OK to just check and see if it installs? Kinda hard to test debug symbols for whether it runs... | 22:32 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: yeah, that's fine | 22:33 |
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| TheLordOfTime | micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantal-backports/+bug/1085731 <-- all's checked, but if you're not busy, got a question (on a bug I referenced in the backport bug) | 23:37 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1085731 in Quantal Backports "Please backport znc 1.0-1 (universe) from raring" [Undecided,New] | 23:37 |
| * xnox ponders if I should be excited or cautious.... | 23:38 | |
| * xnox runs znc | 23:38 | |
| TheLordOfTime | its IRC bouncer software :P | 23:39 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: depending on build-essential is wrong | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, then what should it depend on? | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | other than the compilers? | 23:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | (which, right now, i don't have the list for) | 23:39 |
| micahg | you can depend on non-default compiler versions if need be | 23:40 |
| micahg | but that also seems wrong for a dev package | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, the -dev package contains the binary znc-buildmod | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | which depends on the compilers | 23:40 |
| micahg | a dev package just provides headers for other programs to use to build somethin else | 23:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | it's not a standard "dev" package | 23:40 |
| xnox | TheLordOfTime: does it ship source code? | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | indeed, but znc-dev isn't written that way | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | xnox, for ZNC? it does. | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | xnox, znc-buildmod is built in the build process. | 23:41 |
| micahg | if you're building, you'll have build-essential installed or you're doing it wrong | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | its installed with znc-deb | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | znc-dev | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | * | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | i'm not the writer of the package. | 23:41 |
| xnox | micahg: I bet it's something crazy like dkms modules. | 23:41 |
| TheLordOfTime | take it up with the debian maintainer, its updated there. | 23:41 |
| * xnox goes to pull-debian-source | 23:42 | |
| * micahg waits for the Debian bug to be closed as won't fix... | 23:42 | |
| micahg | hrm, a dev package shipping a bin file... | 23:43 |
| micahg | TheLordOfTime: we ship a compiler by default for dkms like purposes | 23:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, in *all* ubuntu ISOs? | 23:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | micahg, last i checked it doesn't install automagicallty | 23:44 |
| micahg | from Precise: apt-cache show gcc | grep Task | 23:45 |
| micahg | Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop-kde, xubuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-master, ubuntustudio-desktop | 23:45 |
| stgraber | IIRC it's in /pool so only installed if the installer detects the need for one of the dkms drivers | 23:45 |
| TheLordOfTime | then this is not satisfactory, given that: IF (gcc / g++ != installed all the time to all systems by default) THEN (znc's module-builder will not correctly work unless its installer package (znc-dev at the moment) is dependent on the compilers or dependent on build-essential) | 23:47 |
| micahg | hrm, well, I guess it can't be any worse than dkms (which has an alternate build dependency on build-essential) | 23:48 |
| TheLordOfTime | I'm going to talk via email with the debian maintainer to see whether they'd be willing to move away from the name of the "-dev" package and change it to something else, or include the module builder as part of just 'znc' | 23:49 |
| micahg | yeah, you'd probably want to break out the module building into another package | 23:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | its in -dev now | 23:49 |
| micahg | right | 23:49 |
| TheLordOfTime | i suggested a rename to them of -dev to -buildmod | 23:49 |
| micahg | well, -dev is still useful for in archive headers building | 23:50 |
| TheLordOfTime | well, we'll see what they say. | 23:50 |
| TheLordOfTime | in any case, that's the only open bug against it, fixable with a manual install of build-essential | 23:50 |
| TheLordOfTime | although i run an after-install script that pulls that in anyways for my VMs/containers/systems, so... :P | 23:51 |
| TheLordOfTime | (among other packages) | 23:51 |
| * micahg guesses depending on build-essential isn't as crazy as previously thought | 23:57 | |
| micahg | right, it's build depending that would be very wrong (but there's still one package that does it) | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | true, but its depending, not builddepping on it | 23:58 |
| TheLordOfTime | since the builders autopull compilers anyways, no? | 23:58 |
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