[21:34] <jtaylor> micahg: ping ipython backport
[21:35] <micahg> jtaylor: hi, sorry, will try to take a look at bit later todya
[21:58] <TheLordOfTime> Is "Would like to have an updated version of $package in $release" a valid backport reason?
[21:58] <jtaylor> depends on the impact
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> universe package ZNC
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> an IRC boucner.
[21:59] <jtaylor> if no rdepends thats probably fine
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> what's the command to check for rdeps again?
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> oh wait
[21:59] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: as long as you do the reverse dependency testing, sure
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> requestbackport... the message says this (havent filed yet): No reverse dependencies
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, how thorough is requestbackport's rdeps checking?
[22:00] <micahg> should be pretty thorough
[22:06] <TheLordOfTime> okay, i've filed the backport request for ZNC (to Quantal), and i plan on testing it in about an hour and a half after i'm back at home.  (build tests already were done though :P)
[22:32] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, for packages with debug symbols, is it OK to just check and see if it installs?  Kinda hard to test debug symbols for whether it runs...
[22:33] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: yeah, that's fine
[23:37] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, https://bugs.launchpad.net/quantal-backports/+bug/1085731  <-- all's checked, but if you're not busy, got a question (on a bug I referenced in the backport bug)
[23:38]  * xnox ponders if I should be excited or cautious....
[23:38]  * xnox runs znc
[23:39] <TheLordOfTime> its IRC bouncer software :P
[23:39] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: depending on build-essential is wrong
[23:39] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, then what should it depend on?
[23:39] <TheLordOfTime> other than the compilers?
[23:39] <TheLordOfTime> (which, right now, i don't have the list for)
[23:40] <micahg> you can depend on non-default compiler versions if need be
[23:40] <micahg> but that also seems wrong for a dev package
[23:40] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, the -dev package contains the binary znc-buildmod
[23:40] <TheLordOfTime> which depends on the compilers
[23:40] <micahg> a dev package just provides headers for other programs to use to build somethin else
[23:40] <TheLordOfTime> it's not a standard "dev" package
[23:41] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: does it ship source code?
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> indeed, but znc-dev isn't written that way
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, for ZNC?  it does.
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> xnox, znc-buildmod is built in the build process.
[23:41] <micahg> if you're building, you'll have build-essential installed or you're doing it wrong
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> its installed with znc-deb
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> znc-dev
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> *
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> i'm not the writer of the package.
[23:41] <xnox> micahg: I bet it's something crazy like dkms modules.
[23:41] <TheLordOfTime> take it up with the debian maintainer, its updated there.
[23:42]  * xnox goes to pull-debian-source
[23:42]  * micahg waits for the Debian bug to be closed as won't fix...
[23:43] <micahg> hrm, a dev package shipping a bin file...
[23:44] <micahg> TheLordOfTime: we ship a compiler by default for dkms like purposes
[23:44] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, in *all* ubuntu ISOs?
[23:44] <TheLordOfTime> micahg, last i checked it doesn't install automagicallty
[23:45] <micahg> from Precise: apt-cache show gcc | grep Task
[23:45] <micahg> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop-kde, xubuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-master, ubuntustudio-desktop
[23:45] <stgraber> IIRC it's in /pool so only installed if the installer detects the need for one of the dkms drivers
[23:47] <TheLordOfTime> then this is not satisfactory, given that: IF (gcc / g++ != installed all the time to all systems by default) THEN (znc's module-builder will not correctly work unless its installer package (znc-dev at the moment) is dependent on the compilers or dependent on build-essential)
[23:48] <micahg> hrm, well, I guess it can't be any worse than dkms (which has an alternate build dependency on build-essential)
[23:49] <TheLordOfTime> I'm going to talk via email with the debian maintainer to see whether they'd be willing to move away from the name of the "-dev" package and change it to something else, or include the module builder as part of just 'znc'
[23:49] <micahg> yeah, you'd probably want to break out the module building into another package
[23:49] <TheLordOfTime> its in -dev now
[23:49] <micahg> right
[23:49] <TheLordOfTime> i suggested a rename to them of -dev to -buildmod
[23:50] <micahg> well, -dev is still useful for in archive headers building
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> well, we'll see what they say.
[23:50] <TheLordOfTime> in any case, that's the only open bug against it, fixable with a manual install of build-essential
[23:51] <TheLordOfTime> although i run an after-install script that pulls that in anyways for my VMs/containers/systems, so... :P
[23:51] <TheLordOfTime> (among other packages)
[23:57]  * micahg guesses depending on build-essential isn't as crazy as previously thought
[23:58] <micahg> right, it's build depending that would be very wrong (but there's still one package that does it)
[23:58] <TheLordOfTime> true, but its depending, not builddepping on it
[23:58] <TheLordOfTime> since the builders autopull compilers anyways, no?