[00:00] <penguin42> heck
[00:00] <AlanBell> the download easily outruns my wifi but it is reporting 25Mbit now, if I plug in to the router it will be 70mbit or so down
[00:00] <penguin42> AlanBell: So that lets us watch HD video of whatever you're seeing all the time?
[00:01] <Azelphur> according to bt infinity checker my flat should be capable of 66.9/20
[00:01] <Azelphur> but sky only do 40/something :(
[00:01] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/cam/pad well you can watch 640x480 of my front garden
[00:01] <Azelphur> hi dark garden
[00:02] <AlanBell> the camera has survived the cold temperatures so far
[00:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:05] <Azelphur> http://www.zdnet.com/sky-offers-secret-faster-broadband-to-new-customers-3040155114/
[00:05] <Azelphur> so looks like it's coming soon anyway
[00:09] <penguin42> It's odd, I thought the fibre stuff is much closer to BTs infrastructure than the ADSL2 stuff is
[00:33] <Azelphur> so after much investigation, it seems like I can have speed, bandwidth allowance, or cheap, pick any 2 :P
[00:33] <Azelphur> I think I'll sacrifice a little bit of speed, sky will no doubt up the offering at some point, and it's the easy route
[05:59] <bokjhv> Any-one about ?
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:12] <AlanBell> morning
[09:17] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> morning
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:11]  * MartijnVdS just came back from a 15k run
[10:11] <brobostigon> wow.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> training for the 20 again, early March
[10:12] <brobostigon> ah.
[10:22] <MooDoo> I've got to speeds, slow and stop ;)
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: oh, that's YOU in the street every time I'm trying to do some shopping? ;)
[10:23] <MooDoo> lol
[10:42] <AlanBell> popey theopensourcerer christmas trees are in sandy lane
[10:48] <popey> morning
[10:48] <MooDoo> morning alan
[11:18] <christel> AlanBell: how many did you cut down? :)
[11:22] <daubers> Morning
[11:23] <daubers> bug package question: Kernel update occured yesterday, but both of my proprietary drivers didn't get reinstalled because linux-headers wasn't pulled in. Should I file this against nvidia_current and the broadcom driver packager, or against the kernel, or against jockey?
[11:24] <daubers> (Much fun being booted to a cli with no netwoorking....)
[11:28] <jacobw2> morning
[11:30] <jacobw2> daubers: against the things that sound depend on specific kernel version, i think
[11:30] <jacobw2> daubers: s/sound/should
[11:32] <StevenR> well. that was less painful than it could have been (getting Virgin Media to make my 30Mbps broadband go faster than 1.5Mbps)
[11:37] <daubers> jacobw2: But surely that would mean that every time a new kernel is released, nvidia_current needs to be repackaged?
[11:40]  * daubers reports it against nvidia-current and lets others deal with it
[11:41] <jacobw2> daubers: if the kernel update breaks nvidia current
[11:42] <jacobw2> daubers: yeah, i think it's most likely to be handled by the nvidia team
[11:43] <daubers> jacobw2: It happened to the broadcom driver too :)
[11:58] <jacobw2> daubers: damn these binary blobs
[12:10] <AlanBell> christel: cut down 6 or so, brought one ho
[12:10] <AlanBell> home
[12:10] <AlanBell> it is 9ft tall and has to go in an 8ft room, so some adjustment required
[12:11] <StevenR> AlanBell: christmas tree?
[12:11] <AlanBell> StevenR: yup
[12:12] <AlanBell> free pick your own trees
[12:12] <StevenR> AlanBell: is there enough space above the ceiling to raise it by the required 1ft to fit the tree in? Don't forget fairy/star room too.
[12:13] <AlanBell> the "cut a hole in the ceiling" plan has been rejected
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> it is always easier to dig down than dig up... remove floorboards when nobody looking... exclaim "Oh! The tree did fit after all!"
[12:15] <AlanBell> the minecraft approach to christmas tree installation
[12:15] <AlanBell> don't stand on the bit you are digging, there might be lava
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> lol
[12:16] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:17] <StevenR> AlanBell: one would hope that you would not find lava under your floor
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Has the name for 13.10 been decided yet?
[12:26] <RaycisCharles> Somebody suggested Solid Snake...I like it.
[12:28] <bigcalm> It's like collapsing within the uncertainty principal. As soon as a name is suggested, the wave collapses and that name is removed from all possibilities
[12:28] <penguin42> the naming of releases is in the lap of the Mark
[12:29] <RaycisCharles> Oh dear.
[12:29] <RaycisCharles> He'll probably pick something dumb, then.
[12:29] <bigcalm> Self appointed benevolent dictators (for life) tend not to listen name suggestions
[12:30] <RaycisCharles> It might not matter if he manages to alienate users even more than he has already.
[12:30] <RaycisCharles> How about Ubuntu 13.10 Stubborn Shuttleworth?
[12:31] <jacobw2> Shimmering Swallow
[12:32] <jacobw2> Stoic Slothbear
[12:42] <penguin42> Something Speedy would be better
[12:45] <jacobw2> Slothbears are actually man eaters
[12:45] <penguin42> jacobw2: Well you'd be slothy if you're laying back trying to digest that man
[12:46] <jacobw2> "Captain Williamson in his Oriental Field Sports wrote of how sloth bears rarely killed their human victims outright, but would suck and chew on their limbs till they were reduced to bloody pulps."
[12:47] <penguin42> haha
[13:40] <SuperEngineer> My 2p's worth on 'Stating “Works with Linux” gains a sale (and respect)' http://superengr.wordpress.com/
[17:21] <shauno> anyone have a handy trick off-hand, to rename a directory full of files to match the output of shasum?  (eg, I have misnamed files, and a copy of 'shasum *' from how they should look)
[17:22] <penguin42> hmm fun problem
[17:22] <shauno> I can probably bodge something together, but if it already exists, it'd be much easier
[17:23] <jacobw2>  for i in $(ls); do mv $i "$(shasum $i)"; done;
[17:23] <penguin42> shauno: Howabout starting with something like mv $NAME `shasum $NAME| cut -d' ' -f1`
[17:23] <penguin42> jacobw2: nice
[17:23] <penguin42> jacobw2: But that's not what he wants
[17:24] <penguin42> jacobw2: He wants to go the otherway as well
[17:24] <shauno> yeah; that's pretty much the operation I'm trying to reverse
[17:24] <penguin42> jacobw2: i.e. already has an output of shasum for the whole directory and wants to look back up and rename to the entries that match
[17:24] <shauno> they've all been renamed to be 8.3-filename friendly, and I'm trying to restore sanity
[17:25] <penguin42> shauno: so then   for NAME in *; do mv $NAME `grep reffile ^$NAME|cut -d' ' -f2`
[17:25] <penguin42> shauno: Or something like that, with some checks :-)
[17:27] <jacobw2> i think that's the solution
[17:28] <jacobw2> use 'do echo "mv .."' to check the form first
[17:28] <penguin42> hehe yes
[17:28] <penguin42> and you need to check for the case where there is no match in the reference file
[17:29] <jacobw2> you'd get a missing argument error from mv
[17:30] <penguin42> true; it never quite seems a safe way to do things when moving files around
[17:32] <jacobw2> well, you could do 'cp ../new/$NAME' to avoid losing data
[17:32] <penguin42> or ln
[17:33] <jacobw2> if you deleted the old folder, you'd have a directory of correctly named but broken symlinks :)
[17:33] <jacobw2> unless you meant using hardlinks
[17:33] <shauno> hm, it's a shame cut won't take two spaces as a delimiter, -f2 doesn't like filenames with spaces
[17:34] <penguin42> shauno: awk will work with things like tabs, but hmm
[17:36] <penguin42> shauno: given the sum is the start of the line, I think you should be able to wrangle the start of the line off
[17:39] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps
[17:43] <shauno> well, it's not pretty, but appears to be working; for I in *; do mv "$I" "done/$(grep ^$(shasum "$I" | cut -d' ' -f1) ~/shasum.lst|sed 's/^.\{42\}//g')"; done
[17:43] <shauno> and yes, I'm working on a copy of the original, I'm not that brave :)
[17:44] <shauno> there must be a more efficient way that doesn't involve grepping the same file 55,000 times, but it's a one off, so I'll live
[17:45] <penguin42> shauno: isn't it amazing the number of places 42 comes in useful?
[17:45] <shauno> ;)
[17:46] <shauno> I did notice that's the only constant there.  a sha1sum is 40 characters long, and the separator is two spaces, rather than a tab as I thought
[17:51] <popey> pip pip bigcalm
[21:13] <n1md4> evening.  i've installed ubuntu minimal, but add-apt-repository is not workning "sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found".  I've isnstalled python-software-properties.
[21:17] <n1md4> python-software-common has the answer.
[21:17] <n1md4> solved.
[21:37] <yxkvast> brobostigon said that you where nice "chaps" that could help me install minetest on my computer
[21:39] <yxkvast> i dont even know the basics, and have no idea why someone would like to try to explane this to me
[21:39] <yxkvast> explain*
[21:39]  * yxkvast is going to get another beer
[21:41] <dwatkins> memtest, perhaps?
[21:43] <yxkvast> minetest, another variant of minecraft (a game).
[21:43] <dwatkins> oh right, I don't know what that is, sorry.
[21:43] <dwatkins> do the googles not help? ;)
[21:44] <brobostigon> https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable
[21:44] <yxkvast> we was going to play online, but i have played minecraft earlier and really like it, but my computer is not so good, so i have not played minecraft for a while, but minetest doesnt need much of a computer to run especially on ubuntu
[21:46] <yxkvast> https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/stable is there a file there or a script i need to download ?
[21:47] <dwatkins> There's a link part-way down 'read this about installing', yxkvast - hopefully that has all you need
[21:47] <dwatkins> sorry "read about installing" if you're searching the page
[21:48] <yxkvast> thanks :)
[21:49] <yxkvast> do i have to register to launchpad.net?
[21:49] <dwatkins> don't think so, just add the repository as it says
[21:54] <yxkvast> what to print in the terminal ?
[21:54] <dwatkins> urrm, I'm not sure what you're asking - it should give you a list of commands
[21:55] <yxkvast> https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/images/add-apt-repo1.png
[21:55] <yxkvast> should i just copy that ?
[21:56] <yxkvast> https://launchpad.net/+help-soyuz/images/add-apt-repo2.png
[21:56] <dwatkins> yes, that demonstrates the sudo command and what comes after it, which will run the apt-add-repository command with the necessary privileges, so copy the bits after the prompt and enter your password when asked
[21:58] <yxkvast> ok, ill try
[22:00] <yxkvast> i had the idea that the gwibbler was just an example that i was supposed to exchange with something else
[22:01] <dwatkins> !gwibbler
[22:01] <dwatkins> the bot doesn't know that package
[22:02] <Azelphur> anyone done any speedtest.nets on bt infinity?
[22:02] <daftykins> my mate has a 40/10 service with moded 'modem' to give line stats if y'need?
[22:02] <yxkvast> nothing of this make sense to me, what is an PPA (it starting to make little sense now, therefore i asked about the ppa so i can figure out what to do and not just do as i have been told to do)
[22:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: was interested in the 76
[22:03] <daftykins> 76 huh?
[22:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: bt infinity is 40/10 or 76/20
[22:03] <daftykins> ah ok
[22:04] <daftykins> cor you're greedy ;)
[22:04] <dwatkins> yxkvast: it's a Personal Package Archive, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[22:04] <yxkvast> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:user/ppa-name
[22:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: yep :D
[22:04] <daftykins> Azelphur: when he hosted a file for me from home the other day and i grabbed it at 900KB/sec+ i shed a tear :(
[22:04] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2182164792.png woa lol
[22:04] <dwatkins> Azelphur: wow, your upload is better than my download speed :)
[22:04] <daftykins> what do you see real-world values though? speedtest.net is pretty inaccurate imo
[22:05] <Azelphur> dwatkins: not mine, but that's the service I'm gonna get
[22:05] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2176761695.png :O
[22:11] <loaky> Is there anything you can run locally to test speed?
[22:11] <popey> yxkvast, brobostigon that ppa is old
[22:11] <Azelphur> loaky: yea, just go to http://speedtest.net
[22:12] <brobostigon> popey: my server will use the stable minetest server, server and client need to be the same version, therefore, etc.
[22:13] <popey> ok
[22:16] <popey> does minetest work on arm?
[22:16] <yxkvast> brobostigon, Is this correct: sudo-apt-respitory ppa:gwibber-daily/ppa ?
[22:17] <brobostigon> popey: good question, it is c++, so should be recompile-able.
[22:17] <popey> might give it a go
[22:17] <brobostigon> yxkvast: for gwibber that looks about right,
[22:18] <popey> yxkvast,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
[22:18] <yxkvast> what should i print instead od gwibbler ?
[22:18] <daftykins> Azelphur: are those both biz packages?
[22:19] <loaky> I read somewhere Minetest has trouble with Windows on ARM. I don't know whether you can draw any parallels though popey
[22:19] <yxkvast> so then i will print sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable, whatever we are doing will work perfectly ?
[22:19] <Azelphur> daftykins: not afaik
[22:19] <popey> yxkvast, the following commands:-
[22:19] <popey> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable
[22:19] <popey> sudo apt-get update
[22:19] <popey> sudo apt-get install minetestc55
[22:20] <yxkvast> popey, thanks:) i will try that
[22:20] <popey> just tested it here on ubuntu 12.04
[22:20] <loaky> Actually that was Minecraft so forget I mentioned it popey
[22:20]  * directhex moos
[22:22] <yxkvast> it is installing
[22:25] <yxkvast> is it intalled now, the game?
[22:25] <popey> yxkvast, what desktop you using?
[22:25] <yxkvast> cool, it showed up in the games
[22:25] <popey> ah cool
[22:26] <yxkvast> it is great that i have kind computer experts to help me
[22:27] <yxkvast> the computer has not yet loaded the game yet, but that is probably because the computer is made from two trashed computers
[22:28] <popey> it shouldn't take long to start
[22:28] <popey> starts instantly here
[22:30] <popey> It's a bit early development wise
[22:30] <popey> it oddly renders stuff nearby and stuff far away but not mid-range stuff
[22:31] <yxkvast> I will restart the computer, and se if the program starts as i should
[22:31] <popey> it shouldn't need a restart
[22:31] <yxkvast> but i think this is a good sign that i need to buy/build a new computer
[22:32] <popey> what spec is the current one?
[22:34] <yxkvast> idk
[22:35] <dwatkins> is there a command that will get a summary of the computer's specification in Ubuntu? A line or two that gives just the vital information (instead of a load of other stuff like cat /proc/cpuinfo does)?
[22:35] <daftykins> there's that lshw-gtk app i think?
[22:35] <daftykins> i feel like i said this before very recently
[22:35] <dwatkins> you may have done, daftykins - I'm often elsewhere
[22:35] <dwatkins> thanks, will check
[22:36] <daftykins> ah righty-o
[22:37] <yxkvast> i can send a pm if it makes any sense
[22:37] <dwatkins> yxkvast: if you think it needs replacing, it's quite likely it's not fast enough to run minecraft, sadly
[22:38] <yxkvast> i did send a pm to popey, if it did make any sense i can send those specs to others too
[22:38] <dwatkins> I was just curuous. Unfortunately the command I'm talking about outputs 350 lines by default and 33 lines with the '-short' option, but perhaps there are simpler ways like using pastebinit
[22:38] <popey> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz
[22:38] <dwatkins> ah right, that pretty much summs it up ;)
[22:39] <popey> sw
[22:39] <popey> bah
[22:39] <popey> there's the system info thing
[22:39] <popey> just open the dash and type "details"
[22:39] <popey> Intel® Core™ i7-2640M CPU @ 2.80GHz × 4
[22:39] <popey> is what it says for me
[22:39] <dwatkins> ah ok
[22:39] <dwatkins> I was hoping for a command line version too
[22:42] <popey> dmidecode
[22:42] <popey> lshw -html produces nicer output
[22:43] <dwatkins> ah yes, neat
[22:48] <yxkvast> thanks for the help with the software installations
[22:49] <yxkvast> i will take a look if i can update some of the hardware
[22:50] <yxkvast> on tuesday i will maybe have more updates on the hardware front
[22:50] <yxkvast> so if you have the server up and running in a week brobostigon  i maybe have made some chances with the computers
[22:51] <yxkvast> bye
[22:52] <dwatkins> c ya