[00:01] <juanlas> thanks mr-rich I can try that
[00:07] <crackerjackz> how do i upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10?
[00:08] <mr-rich> crackerjackz: in the software center ...
[00:11] <andygraybeal_> ot, is there a button that attaches to usb and when i press it i can run a shell command?
[00:11] <crackerjackz> mr-rich: i don't see an option like i normally would to upgrade in the update manager and i don't see anything in the ubuntu software center
[00:11] <ActionParsnip> crackerjackz: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1403417/
[00:12] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:12] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:12] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:12] <ntxcr>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:12] <jzbaxo>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:12] <crackerjackz> ActionParsnip: thank you
[00:12] <k1l> spammertime? :/
[00:13] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <ntxcr>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <jzbaxo>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <ntxcr>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:13] <jzbaxo>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:14] <IT-L> :D
[00:14] <Riley88> hey guys i just got a new win7 laptop with uefi i tried dual booting 12.10 but grub dosnt showup so i dissabled  secure boot and chose erase and install but it still wont show up
[00:15] <IT-L> my ubunto OS sends an error in USB booting mode
[00:16] <IT-L> config file not found
[00:16] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:16] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:16] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:16] <vznadz>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:16] <bwornm>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:16] <JohnWHSmith> You can edit the boot menu once booted on Win7. Wait, just checking the name of the program..
[00:16] <Riley88> what
[00:17] <JohnWHSmith> EasyBSD, by Neosmart. It allows you to edit the UEFI boot menu.
[00:17] <IT-L> what is the config file?
[00:17] <mr-rich> time for some kick/ban action ...
[00:17] <JohnWHSmith> Basically, GRUB won't show up. You've got to add a GRUB option to the boot menu using EasyBCD of equivalent.
[00:17] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <vznadz>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <bwornm>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <vznadz>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <wguhbc>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <lfkxh>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <bwornm>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <pdccaim>  .̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨̨
[00:17] <FloodBot1> vznadz: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:17] <IT-L> hm
[00:17] <FloodBot1> wguhbc: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:18] <FloodBot1> lfkxh: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:18] <FloodBot1> bwornm: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:18] <FloodBot1> pdccaim: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:18] <IT-L> pof
[00:18] <IT-L> No ops?
[00:18] <Riley88> would i be safe to just do a full install with secure boot disabled
[00:18] <Riley88> its an asus btw
[00:18] <almoxarife> !ops
[00:18] <Riley88> with intel i5
[00:19] <JohnWHSmith> I got a VAIO with i7 and new UEFI system. Got the same problem, but EasyBCD fixed it kinda easily.
[00:19] <JohnWHSmith> Even though it requires me to boot on windows first.
[00:19] <IT-L> *@c-98-239-31-32.hsd1.ms.comcast.net
[00:19] <IT-L> his host is open!
[00:19] <Riley88> what thats ridiculous
[00:20] <Riley88> johmwhsmith would i be safe just doing a full install
[00:20] <JohnWHSmith> I meant I had to boot on windows the first time :)
[00:20] <Riley88> oh
[00:20] <Riley88> i dissabled secure boot in bios already
[00:20] <JohnWHSmith> I don't do that anymore, just the first time, to add GRUB option in boot menu, using EasyBCD, which is a windows software.
[00:21] <IT-L> what is secure boot in BIOS ?
[00:21] <JohnWHSmith> Well, you can't really access BIOS under a UEFI-based system can you?
[00:21] <Riley88> u have to buy that though
[00:21] <JohnWHSmith> that?
[00:22] <Riley88> easybcd
[00:22] <JohnWHSmith> Free software :)
[00:22] <JohnWHSmith> Freeware* sorry x)
[00:22] <Riley88> im on neosmart.net and its telling me to buy it
[00:22] <JohnWHSmith> I didn't, and I didn't crack it. Hold on, just checking.
[00:23] <dr_willis> scamware ;-)
[00:23] <JohnWHSmith> Got it. Download for non-commercial use.
[00:23] <Riley88> hold on i found a softonic link
[00:23] <JohnWHSmith> On Neosmart download page, you can register a non-commercial usage licence :)
[00:23] <IT-L> i cant use USB booting, i got error: config file not found :(
[00:24] <JohnWHSmith> And this licence's free :)
[00:24] <Riley88> nope its taking me to there website
[00:24] <Riley88> and they wont 25$
[00:24] <Riley88> want
[00:25] <JohnWHSmith> Must be a mistake. Wait.
[00:25] <IT-L> O_o
[00:25] <IOmegaZ> is there a compiz for the latest ubuntu?
[00:25] <JohnWHSmith> http://neosmart.net/Download/Register/1
[00:25] <JohnWHSmith> There ?
[00:25] <JohnWHSmith> All you got to do is typing your name and email.
[00:25] <JohnWHSmith> I remember doing that as well.
[00:25] <jamamp> I have a problem. MacBookPro 6,2 recent install of ubuntu 12.10. first boot all sound worked fine. After reboot the sound keys and skype sounds do not work. Flash and system test sounds work fine. anyone know a quick fix?
[00:26] <JohnWHSmith> Sound card drivers...?
[00:27] <jamamp> Well I'm thinking it's PulseAudio, because Adobe flash in chrome and the system test sounds work perfectly. And I do not know exactly where to get the right drivers
[00:27] <ActionParsnip> jamamp: try:   killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*      wait 10 seconds and reboot
[00:28] <JohnWHSmith> How rough... X)
[00:28] <jamamp> ActionParsnip, will do, thank you.
[00:29] <dr_willis> IOmegaZ: compiz is in 12.10
[00:31] <Rustyblade3> Hey guys I have Ubuntu 12.10 and I am running it alongside Windows 7. How can I increase the Ubuntu partition without losing data?
[00:31] <jamamp> ActionParsnip, you are a saint! Idk if that's a permanent fix or not but thank you so much
[00:32] <Dougie187> Is there an easy way to force apport to generate a bug report?
[00:32] <Dougie187> or, to force a program to "unexpectedly close" to trigger apport?
[00:32] <trism> Dougie187: just do: ubuntu-bug package_name;
[00:32] <ActionParsnip> jamamp: should be fine :)
[00:32] <Rustyblade3> Hey guys I have Ubuntu 12.10 and I am running it alongside Windows 7. How can I increase the Ubuntu partition without losing data?
[00:33] <Dougie187> trism: does that go through all of the steps? like core dumps and the whole 9 yards?
[00:33] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: can you take it from the win partition?
[00:33] <trism> Dougie187: well, there might be a dump in /var/crash, you can also do: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/crashfile
[00:33] <Rustyblade3> What do you mean by that?
[00:33] <Rustyblade3> Yeah I have enough space
[00:33] <Dougie187> trism: well, I want to mimic what would happen when it tries to generate the crash file.
[00:34] <trism> Dougie187: why?
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> Rustyblade3: your backups will maintain data intgrity
[00:34] <Rustyblade3> So I backup the whole system
[00:34] <Rustyblade3> And then make a new partition?
[00:34] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: i mean that to increase size you must gain it from somewhere, so if there is unused that is the best, otherwise one of the partitions needs to get slimmer
[00:34] <ActionParsnip> Rustyblade3: you SHOULD have backed up whatever is important to you
[00:35] <Rustyblade3> Yeah I have enough space to take it from windows :D
[00:35] <Dougie187> It's kind of a long story. But... I was banned from Diablo 3, and I didn't do anything. So I'm trying to figure out if generating a core dump can trigger warden to think you're hacking.
[00:35] <Dougie187> trism: ^^
[00:35] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: what ActionParsnip... said too
[00:35] <Rustyblade3> Well so can I do it without backing up?
[00:36] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: sure, its your call
[00:36] <Rustyblade3> Sure then show me
[00:36] <JohnWHSmith> ... or perhaps you could contact Blizzard banning department or something like that? x)
[00:36] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: but if it all goes to hell, it was your call
[00:36] <Rustyblade3> Ok....
[00:37] <Rustyblade3> Lemme think about this..
[00:37] <almoxarife> Rustyblade3: simple way is to use 'gparted' livecd, need to get the iso and burn it to cd/usb, then run it
[00:37] <trism> Dougie187: well you could do something silly like launch the program and: kill -s 11 pid;
[00:37] <Dougie187> ok cool
[00:37] <JohnWHSmith> I really like "silly" there x)
[00:40] <kiwi9400> Hey there, could somebody tell me which files in the Unity source are relevant to the globalmenu?
[00:41] <Rustyblade3> Can I make a backup on the Windows Partition
[00:41] <JohnWHSmith> Backup your Ubuntu installation from Win?
[00:42] <Rustyblade3> Can I increase my partition size without losing data?
[00:42] <kiwi9400> Short answer, yes.
[00:43] <Rustyblade3> How? :D
[00:44] <JohnWHSmith> I'm sure gParted will be glad to do it for you.
[00:44] <Rustyblade3> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[00:44] <Rustyblade3> Oh yeah I get this when i type "sudo apt-get install gparted"
[00:44] <Rustyblade3> root@ubuntu:/home/sam# sudo apt-get install gparted
[00:44] <Rustyblade3> Reading package lists... Done
[00:44] <Rustyblade3> root@ubuntu:/home/sam# e... 0%
[00:45] <k1l> Rustyblade3: noone can guarantee that. make sure you have a backup
[00:45] <Rustyblade3> Its stuck there...
[00:45] <JohnWHSmith> At least... it "works" XD
[00:45] <k1l> !root | Rustyblade3
[00:45] <JohnWHSmith> Yeah, always back up when managing partitions. Who knows...
[00:45] <k1l> Rustyblade3: dont login as root :/
[00:45] <JohnWHSmith> sudo when logged as root is a bit too much, btw
[00:45] <JohnWHSmith> that's it x)
[00:46] <k1l> noo
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> Its still stuck there
[00:46] <k1l> log out of root account. you shouldnt even got one
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> I did...
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> sam@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install gparted
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> [sudo] password for sam:
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> Reading package lists... Done
[00:46] <Rustyblade3> sam@ubuntu:~$ dency tree... 0%
[00:46] <FloodBot1> Rustyblade3: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:46] <blackbuntu> root login is a no no
[00:46] <JohnWHSmith> sudo apt-get update first ?
[00:47] <JohnWHSmith> You might be able to download gParted from the Software Centre if you're running a graphical interface.
[00:48] <JohnWHSmith> It might give more explicit error messages x)
[00:48] <k1l> Rustyblade3: you are sure you dont have several instances from the packages system open?
[00:48] <Fedora> apt-get lube
[00:48] <ActionParsnip> Rustyblade3: what is the output of:   lsb_release -sc
[00:48] <k1l> Fedora: troll somewhere else
[00:48] <IOmegaZ> hi
[00:49] <JohnWHSmith> Hi.
[00:49] <Rustyblade3> i installed it nvm
[00:49] <Fedora> shit this chan slow as fuck!!
[00:49] <IOmegaZ> just installed ubuntu but no sound?
[00:49] <JohnWHSmith> non-installed sound drivers ?
[00:49] <TheLordOfTime> !language | F
[00:49] <k1l> !language | Fedora
[00:49] <ActionParsnip> Fedora: if people don't need to type, why should they....think about it
[00:50] <TheLordOfTime> bleh, keyboard's brokenish again
[00:50] <SolarisBoy> typing is a lot of work
[00:50] <IOmegaZ> i am doing the software updater
[00:50] <SolarisBoy> IOmegaZ: im doing the girl at dominoes
[00:50] <IOmegaZ> good for you
[00:50] <IOmegaZ> you want a gold medal?
[00:51] <k1l> Rustyblade3: and i would suggest to get a backup and resize the windows OS from within windows
[00:51] <SolarisBoy> a little bit
[00:51] <k1l> !ot | SolarisBoy IOmegaZ
[00:51] <SolarisBoy> im sorry
[00:51] <Rustyblade3> Wait so how do I increase the size using GParted?
[00:51] <SolarisBoy> that was uncalled for
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> Rustyblade3: you cannot resize your Ubuntu parttions if you are booted to the OS on that partition
[00:51] <JohnWHSmith> Boot on Windows, and use the *vomits* Windows tool for partition management.
[00:51] <Rustyblade3> So I gotta do it from windows then?
[00:51] <JohnWHSmith> And pray. x)
[00:52] <Rustyblade3> Yeah....
[00:52] <JohnWHSmith> First backup. Then pray, sorry. x)
[00:52] <k1l> Rustyblade3: shrink the windows partition from windows
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> Rustyblade3: you can resize windows from Windows, you'll need to resize your Ubuntu partitions from livecd
[00:52] <Rustyblade3> Wish me luck guys ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[00:52] <k1l> Rustyblade3: for the ubuntu partitions boot a live-cd/stick and enlarge the ubuntu partitions
[00:52] <JohnWHSmith> I could tell you "see you soon", but I'm not sure about it.. x)
[00:53] <Rustyblade3> Yeah me too....
[00:53] <Rustyblade3> Gulps...
[00:53] <Rustyblade3> HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[00:53] <Rustyblade3> And from that day forth Rustyblade3 was never heard from again....
[00:53] <JohnWHSmith> I'm not giving you any other advice : last time I touched my Linux partitions from Windows, I lost everything, include GRUB x)
[00:53] <Guest85048> hi guys, first time i use ubunto on a vb, could you tell me how to speed up the vb?
[00:54] <JohnWHSmith> Windows : the art of over-warning when useless, and of silence when vital.
[00:54] <ActionParsnip> JohnWHSmith: got backup......
[01:03] <yamazaki> does anyone know of any resources about making your own liveCD? eg pre-loaded with certain apps
[01:04] <k1l> yamazaki: you mean remastersys?
[01:04] <IdleOne> !remaster | yamazaki
[01:05] <yamazaki> most perfect. thank you!
[01:06] <darkhalo117> Anybody here play Foldit? I'm having trouble running it. I get a script error
[01:07] <darkhalo117> "Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
[01:13] <ActionParsnip> !info foldit
[01:13] <mega1> would anyone know what is wrong with wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/libusb/files/libusb-1.0/libusb-1.0.8/libusb-1.0.8.tar.bz2/download
[01:16] <ejo> the downloaded file itself or the page?
[01:16] <darkhalo117> I found the problem. They don't provide a x32 binary
[01:16] <ejo> s/page/mirror
[01:16] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: yes, the binary is only 64bit
[01:17] <blackbuntu> i love it , when the person needing help actually finds the answer
[01:17] <blackbuntu> linux is always a learning experience
[01:17] <lordleemo> what http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/libusb/libusb-1.0/libusb-1.0.8/libusb-1.0.8.tar.bz2?r=&ts=1354410844&use_mirror=freefr
[01:18] <ActionParsnip> mega1: wget -O ~/Downloads/libusb-1.0.8.tar.bz2 http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/libusb/libusb-1.0/libusb-1.0.8/libusb-1.0.8.tar.bz2?r=&ts=1354411027&use_mirror=garr
[01:18] <darkhalo117> I agree
[01:18] <rredd4> how is ubuntu live cd formatted?  it mounts and boot on my macbook.  My usb hard drive won't boot, it is ext4
[01:19] <darkhalo117> Linux makes me feel really dumb sometimes. It's a love hate thing.
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: you'll learn as you use the OS
[01:19] <ActionParsnip> rredd4: did you install Ubuntu to the Ext4 partition?
[01:19] <blackbuntu> lol@dark , yeah i know what ya mean , you can have it setup the way you want and then the next thing you know , boom up jumps an error
[01:20] <keithclark> I want to setup a multimedia server on a headless, server machine that I have.  What is the best program for that?
[01:20] <rredd4> ActionParsnip  I installed 11.1 on my usb drive and selected ext4 journ.
[01:21] <rredd4> ActionParsnip  so i guess the answer is yes
[01:24] <darkhalo117> @blackbuntu once I got the file system down and the way things are organized, the things I do on Ubuntu get more and more complex
[01:24] <ActionParsnip> rredd4: do you need to hold a button at boot to make the mac boot the USB?
[01:25] <darkhalo117> Running games on Ubuntu is probably a prime example
[01:25] <rredd4> yes option, but it did not show up.  ActionParsnip
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: not had an issue with games
[01:25] <blackbuntu> darkhalo117,  yup i know exactly what ya mean
[01:25] <icank> hi
[01:26] <rredd4> ActionParsnip  when i have the usb drive connected, osx asks to "ignore, eject, or format"
[01:26] <ftruzzi> Hi! I just installed ubuntu and formatted my previous linux (archlinux), I used syslinux there, and I think ubuntu didnt changed my MBR, idk when I tryed to boot, it sayed a error message saying that I have multiple partitions and I should select or something... , anyone knows how I can fix this?
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> rredd4: do youo have grub installed to the MBR of the drive
[01:27] <rredd4> yes
[01:27] <myton> 12.10 live cd "try" option asking for login
[01:27] <L3mce> ftruzzi: you arent talking about the grub menu are you?
[01:28] <myton> think so
[01:28] <ActionParsnip> myton: press CTRL+ALT+F1  and run:  passwd ubuntu      then set the password and press cTRL+ALT+F7 and log in as ubuntu with the password you set
[01:28] <ftruzzi> L3mce: no! it appears that message when u have no system installed
[01:28] <ftruzzi> I should write it down ;<
[01:28] <L3mce> k... just checking.
[01:28] <myton> ActionParsnip, trying it
[01:29] <ftruzzi> L3mce: ubuntu use grub or syslinux or lilo?
[01:29] <L3mce> ftruzzi: It uses grub2
[01:29] <L3mce> Can install it manually.
[01:30] <ftruzzi> L3mce: akward it should install it when you install ubuntu! Yeah I will need to do it, I think syslinux showed up but since there is no more /boot with information it just stayed there with no clue to what to do
[01:30] <L3mce> I have a script you can run from a live cd that will guide you through it... or do it automatically if there is only one OS and partition avail.
[01:31] <mega1> does the command svn not work in server 12
[01:31] <ftruzzi> L3mce: I have 5 partitions, main (linux), /home, swap, windows, and data
[01:31] <myton> ActionParsnip, I'm in. Thanks for the help.
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> mega1: there is no 'server 12'
[01:31] <L3mce> It will walk you through it
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> myton: sweet
[01:31] <ftruzzi> nice
[01:31] <ActionParsnip> mega1: do you mean Ubuntu Server 12.04?
[01:33] <mega1> yes
[01:35] <mega1> i was trying svn co http://www.... and it says svn command not found
[01:40] <blackbuntu> looks like everyone is leaving
[01:40] <Riley88> hey guys i got it working just cant duel boot  i guess
[01:40] <Riley88> uefi sucks lol
[01:40] <blackbuntu> lol
[01:41] <Riley88> i have to say usb 3.0 is freakin amazing
[01:41] <Riley88> 6minutes to copy a 27gig file
[01:42] <CodeWar> while purging old kernels using regex I accidentally removed the current kernel. I m guessing on next reboot I m toast. How do I reinstall the current kernel (I m on Ubuntu 12.10)
[01:42] <newroad> hello everyone, I'm having an issue related to x64 and Wine. If I run: sudo winetricks d3dx9 vcrun2005 vcrun2008, I get this error: wine cmd.exe /c echo '%ProgramFiles%' returned empty string
[01:42] <CodeWar> dpkg --list  | grep linux-image    shows nothing
[01:42] <CodeWar> *sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.0*   thats how I removed my kernels
[01:42] <newroad> If I try without the sudo, I get: mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/user/.cache/winetricks/directx9': Permission denied
[01:43] <gajbooks> CodeWar: You install Debian.
[01:43] <ActionParsnip> newroad: why are you using sudo with wine stuf??
[01:44] <newroad> I'm having an issue trying to install Borderlands. when it gets to the end of the install, it tries to install Visual Studio libraries and hands.
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> newroad: you don't need sudo to run wine stuff, you have probably made your ~/.wine folder be owned by root because you are using root when it's not needed.
[01:44] <newroad> I read this was related to an issue with x64 wine now seeing the program files filder?
[01:44] <ActionParsnip> newroad: again, why are you using sudo with wine?
[01:45] <newroad> I don't know, I'm a noob man
[01:45] <newroad> what should I do?
[01:45] <trism> CodeWar: sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic; should do the trick
[01:45] <crackerjackz> newroad: just run wine
[01:45] <crackerjackz> w/o sudo
[01:45] <gajbooks> Answers to everyones problems: Install slackware/Debian.
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> newroad: little tip: don't go throwing sudo around when it's not needed. You wiLL cause issues
[01:45] <budmang> Hey Guys, Im installing ubuntu 12.04 as I do always.... but this raid/box states I need an EFI partition? Is this easy? I dont see much or major processes to get it to work
[01:45] <ftruzzi_> L3mce: can u pvp me? I dont know how to open it in webchat
[01:45] <blackbuntu> probly what newroad did is gave it root permissions and he needs to edit it back to his name
[01:45] <newroad> here's what it says if i run without sudo:
[01:45] <newroad> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/user/.cache/winetricks/directx9': Permission denied
[01:45] <ActionParsnip> newroad: sudo is ONLY needed when you need access to something that isn't owned by you and you need to make changes to it
[01:46] <CodeWar> trism, yes that worked, thanks!
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> newroad: like system upgrades and writing files outside of your user home.
[01:46] <gajbooks> budmang: Are you not using guided?
[01:46] <budmang> no I guess I shoudl.. I normally do a 4GB swap and /root its always worked.
[01:46] <newroad> but i am geting permission denied without sudo
[01:46] <ActionParsnip> newroad: the entirety of your wine folder is inside of your home folder, your user has full access to this, so sudo isn't needed
[01:47] <ftruzzi_> L3mce: I think that when u chroot in ubuntu partition, it doesnt have grub by default (only in the livecd)
[01:47] <crackerjackz> try sudo mkdir /home/user/.cache/winetricks/directx9
[01:47] <crackerjackz> and then run wine maybe
[01:47] <gajbooks> budmang: You change a partition and it should give you an EFI boot partition option or something.
[01:47] <ActionParsnip> newroad: yes, you are getting permission denied because you probably ran the first wine command you ran using sudo, this will run it as root so the ~/.wine folder will be owned by root so youruser now is denied access
[01:47] <budmang> I looked F... Ill check again
[01:47] <ActionParsnip> newroad: you have created the issue
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> newroad: you don't use sudo for EVERY command line command, you will break your OS
[01:48] <newroad> actionpartnership, no need to be abusive
[01:48] <ziantos> newroad: You can use chown to change the owner back to you. This time you'll have to do sudo since you don't own it.
[01:48] <ActionParsnip> newroad: when was I abusive? I'm stating the issue and why what you have been doing is causing an issue
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> newroad: how is that abusinve?
[01:49] <newroad> just to be clear, i never used sudo, I tried to install originally with playonlinux
[01:49] <crackerjackz> newroad: he's tryin to help you
[01:49] <newroad> I know, and I appreciate that
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> newroad: try:  sudo chown -R user:user ~/.wine
[01:49] <newroad> let's just figure this out
[01:49] <ActionParsnip> newroad: when was I abusive?
[01:49] <limester123> hey
[01:49] <EduardKhil> There is a troll in your midst.
[01:50] <newroad> Action, that helped, I have a new error now though:
[01:50] <ActionParsnip> hi limester123 :)
[01:50] <limester123> lol, i have a quick gcc question, im wondering if you can help me out
[01:50] <ActionParsnip> newroad: when was I abusive to you?
[01:50] <darkhalo117> Some people don't respond well to constructive criticism. He's right in making it an important point not to use sudo on every command
[01:50] <limester123> i want to compile a .c file to .o
[01:50] <newroad> http://pastebin.com/pP7mkZLU
[01:51] <limester123> typically, this would look like:
[01:51] <crackerjackz> peace and love
[01:51] <ActionParsnip> limester123: gcc filename.cpp
[01:51] <limester123> gcc -c main.c
[01:51] <newroad> Action, my point is i don't need to be told over and over i did something wrong, let's just move on
[01:51] <limester123> but i would like to specify the .o file
[01:51] <limester123> how do i do this?
[01:51] <Elladan> limester123, gcc -c foo.c -o foo.o
[01:51] <ActionParsnip> newroad: I just wantto clear up when I was abusive, as you pointed out..
[01:52] <newroad> just forget it man, its not big deal
[01:52] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip: move on.
[01:52] <limester123> ahh, ok thanks Elladan and Action
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> newroad: run:   sudo chown -R user:user /home/user/.cache/winetricks
[01:52] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: I just don't appreciate being accused of soething when its clearly not the case
[01:52] <newroad> Thanks Action, looks like its working :)
[01:53] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip: he misread your intent for a moment, he now sees that you were being helpful and not trying to be a jerk.
[01:53] <imagine1> hi, is it possible to make a single binary file with no dependancies?
[01:53] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: maybe but its less than fair isn't it
[01:53] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip: had you been abusive I would have told you so  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> IdleOne: exactly, so people can call me abusive when I'm not.....weird
[01:54] <ActionParsnip> newroad: if data is being manipulated in your home folder, you don't need sudo
[01:54] <imagine1> is it possible to make a single, large binary file that has all of the necessary libraries built in (so they dont need to be installed as different packages)?
[01:54] <IdleOne> ActionParsnip: no, but he moved on from it. Let's all move on
[01:54] <newroad> i understand now
[01:55] <ActionParsnip> newroad: and I wans't abusive...but hey....moving on....
[01:55] <darkhalo117> Ok guys what's the best option for playing .mkv files? I usually just use flv but I am wanting to try new programs
[01:55] <newroad> vcrun2005 install completed, but installed file /home/user/.wine/dosdevices/c:/windows/winsxs/x86_Microsoft.VC80.MFC_1fc8b3b9a1e18e3b_8.0.50727.6195_x-ww_150c9e8b/mfc80.dll not found
[01:55] <newroad> hmm
[01:55] <darkhalo117> Xbmc?
[01:56] <darkhalo117> I like xbmc because it has a media center feel and that's what the pc is going to be. Any alternatives?
[01:56] <ActionParsnip> newroad: you can download that DLL and shove it in that folder
[01:57] <newroad> ok
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: boxee
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: I use vlc with web UI. I control it from my Android phone.
[01:58] <ActionParsnip> darkhalo117: http://alternativeto.net/software/xbmc-media-center/
[02:01] <Elladan> Dur so jockey is part of "Software Sources" now?
[02:02] <Elladan> What's the CLI command to manage goofy drivers now?
[02:04] <SierraAR> Quick question. Should I install Oracle Java 7 Runtime or OpenJDK Java 7 Runtime? Not sure what the difference (If any) there is. Using Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[02:04] <ziantos> JDK is if you will be doing development.
[02:05] <escott> Elladan, jockey itself is gone. some other application is replacing it but otherwise YES
[02:05] <thekkid_> .
[02:05] <darkhalo117> Vlc can control xbmc?! I even have it installed already! Haha
[02:06] <Elladan> escott, yeah, I just want to know what random application I need to use when X11 asplodes next time.
[02:06] <SierraAR> ziantos, ok, was just wondering. I have the oracle one installed, but I've noticed every website/tutorial I come across says openjdk
[02:06] <newroad> i'm going to try to reboot and reinstall this game, thanks guys
[02:11] <ftruzzi_> anyone knows how to fix grub2 ? I have a syslinux here in MBR and I cant install grub2 ?<
[02:11] <ftruzzi_> I mean, I can! I just don`t know how
[02:12] <Elladan> ftruzzi_, I've done it before using grub-install
[02:12] <ftruzzi_> Elladan: grub-install is failling :x
[02:12] <Elladan> ftruzzi_, You probably need to use the --root-directory option if you're using a boot disk of some sort.
[02:13] <Elladan> ftruzzi_, I don't really know anything more off the top of my head though. :-(
[02:13] <texta> How can I get /dev/audio up and running with pulse/alsa
[02:13] <ftruzzi_> grub-install --target=i369-pc --directory=/grub --recheck --debug /dev/sda , i got source_dir doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory
[02:13] <Elladan> ftruzzi_, You sure /grub is right?  I've got /boot/grub
[02:14] <Elladan> ftruzzi_, Also if you're using a boot disk it might need to be where you mounted your /dev/sda1 to...
[02:15] <Occi> Hi, I can't seem to get vaapi working on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, getting a xlib error, what could it be? http://pastie.org/private/bhuuxclbklvvtveyo6ofug
[02:16] <brady1> is it just me... or does the ubuntu software updater want me to download ALOT of updates.
[02:17] <brady1> it seems like every day it wants me to download another 50 megs of stuff
[02:17] <keithclark> anyone here familiar with mediatomb?
[02:18] <darkhalo117> Well I would assume it's because they want to fix something that is broken or vulnerable
[02:18] <quante> Hello, all. I am currently running Elementary OS Luna and I installed dconf-editor. however, when I open it, when I click on a path, nothing happens. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[02:18] <darkhalo117> I consider updates a good thing. But that's just me
[02:19] <blackbuntu> texta: go to this link and scroll down to alsa configuration
[02:19] <blackbuntu> texta:     -->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio
[02:19] <quante> Oh just kidding.
[02:19] <quante> I derped.
[02:21] <blackbuntu> brady1: if you are on the new ubuntu , it is in beta still so there will probly be alot of updates
[02:21] <brady1> 12.10
[02:22] <blackbuntu> brady1: quantal ???
[02:22] <newroad> sigh, even after fixing directory permissions and installing Visual C++, when I try to install Borderlands, it crashes at "Internal errors - invalid parameters received"
[02:23] <brady1> umm.. i can never remember those crazy names.
[02:23] <newroad> it crashes right at the end of the install when Borderlands tries to install the Visual C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable
[02:23] <brady1> i mean seriously. who names a distribution beefy miracle.  Linux needs better marketing.
[02:24] <blackbuntu> brady1: yup it is quantal , it is still in beta
[02:24] <blackbuntu> lol
[02:24] <blackbuntu> thats why i stick with lucid   lol
[02:25] <newroad> is there a wine IRC channel?
[02:25] <blackbuntu> mIRC
[02:25] <brady1> there should be, it would certainly be useful.
[02:25] <blackbuntu> newroad: mIRC
[02:27] <brady1> i use ubuntu with gnome 3.6 installed, and although i like it, i miss my compiz
[02:28] <newroad> blackubuntu: huh?
[02:28] <mega1> how do i make a script run in server 12.04
[02:29] <brady1> i wish there was some sort of fusion of ubuntu (the unity hud, control panels, compiz support)  with gnome 3.6 , kinda all smashed together.
[02:29] <blackbuntu> brady1: if you was using classic you could use compiz
[02:31] <ring0> newroad, #winehq
[02:34] <newroad> thx ring
[02:34] <PoolShark_> hi all
[02:38] <hugenumbers> What is a good audio player to be controlled by an app on my phone?
[02:50] <ftruzzi>  /q L3mce
[02:53] <sin_tax> Is there any command that will repeat the 'welcome' summary of an ubuntu server via SSH?
[03:01] <Pinkamena_D> hello, i have a problem where sometimes after resuming my laptop, it will not ask for the password, it will just work normally. This hardly ever happens, i think about two times sience i installed, but still it seems like a major security flaw.
[03:01] <Pinkamena_D> is this bug well known?
[03:04] <escott> sin_tax, should just be /etc/motd
[03:04] <Pinkamena_D> i think this is linked to the fact that ubuntu take a moment to load the password screen after resume. it actually shws what was last on the screen for a few seconds before asking for password. (something else i don't really like very much)
[03:06] <escott> Pinkamena_D, but but but... did you see the way the screen rolls up after you put in the password. did you see how pretty that was
[03:07] <jester_> any luck with intel ati hybrid graphics anyone?
[03:07] <Pinkamena_D> lol, no need to be like that, i am not deeply annoyed or anything, just trying to point out a bug if no one else noticed it
[03:07] <Pinkamena_D> =D
[03:07] <sin_tax> escott, thanks, that seems to be it, is there a way to run the MOTD again without exiting and relogging into the server?
[03:08] <escott> Pinkamena_D, actual security and functionality of screensavers have gone completely out the window ever since they switched away from xscreensaver. its been all downhill since then
[03:10] <escott> sin_tax, cat /etc/motd if it is a file, execute it if it is an executable
[03:10] <escott> !motd
[03:11] <escott> not really sure how it is configured
[03:11] <sin_tax> oh interesting, I guess it is a file; I assumed it was an executable since it is dynamic
[03:11] <sin_tax> Thanks escott I will look into it
[03:12] <escott> sin_tax, there is the possibility for both. no idea how it all works.. but its called message of the day
[03:12] <sin_tax> yeah you've given me enough info to go off into google world
[03:12] <jebb> Im trying to pxe boot from a ubuntu tftp server but it times out when it try's to connect to the tftp server.
[03:12] <jebb> any ideas why
[03:15] <sklz> anyone here
[03:16] <almoxarife> finally found a use for lxde-buntu on the droid, libreoffice, yeah buddy, no more of the funky free apps that dont compare :)
[03:19] <sklz> does anyone know how I can find help setting up dual monitors on my ubuntu 11
[03:19] <escott> sklz, setting up how
[03:19] <sklz> I've been dealing with this issue all day
[03:20] <sklz> I tried setting up a second monitor on my pc
[03:20] <rhin0> sklz you need the driver for dual monitors
[03:20] <escott> sklz, unless you are using nvidia drivers shouldn't be much of an issue
[03:20] <rhin0> hardware driver
[03:20] <sklz> ubuntu 14 box
[03:20] <sklz> sorry 12
[03:20] <rhin0> "twinview"
[03:20] <rhin0> enable monitor in nvidia driver settings
[03:20] <sklz> then i booted to an old usb thumb that has 11.01
[03:21] <sklz> and the monitors worked together just fine without me doing anything
[03:21] <sklz> so I reverted my box to 11
[03:21] <sklz> now i can see both extended but the resolutions don't work its messy
[03:21] <rhin0> after downloading driver (with nvidia) you get "nvidia x server settings" .. within that you configure/enable 2nd monitor
[03:21] <rhin0> then you save xconf.org
[03:21] <escott> !details | sklz
[03:24] <Braden`> Hello
[03:24] <Braden`> What is the best method to create a root jail?
[03:24] <escott> Braden`, root cannot be jailed
[03:24] <sajan> Braden`, what do you mean by a root jail?  If you give someone root access...they have root access.
[03:25] <sajan> Braden`, are you wanting to create a virtual machine?  Or are you wanting to do jails like a BSD?
[03:25] <lapion> well sajan unless you create a chroot....
[03:25] <escott> lapion, root cannot be jailed by chroot
[03:26] <sajan> Exactly.  The purpose of the root account is that it can do anything.
[03:26] <Braden`> oh
[03:26] <Braden`> My apologies, let me rephrase my question
[03:26] <sajan> Braden`, what are you trying to do more specifically?
[03:27] <Braden`> I have some developers whom I want to give a very limited access to my machine so that they can ssh in and compile C++ programs.
[03:27] <Braden`> I would like them to operate in a jail
[03:27] <escott> Braden`, thats hardly limited
[03:27] <Braden`> escott:  Its more limited than them seeing everything
[03:27] <escott> Braden`, if you are going to give them access to a compiler you might as well just give them a normal user account
[03:28] <escott> Braden`, ie. if you dont want them to run program X. they can just upload the source to X and compile it and run their own copy. done
[03:28] <Braden`> hmm
[03:29] <escott> Braden`, if you want an effective restriction while giving them a compiler you need to setup a VM or use containers like openvz
[03:29] <Braden`> I don't have the system resources for that
[03:30] <Braden`> Server only has 1 gig of ram of which mysql consumes most
[03:30] <escott> Braden`, then its not an appropriate machine to act as a compile engine
[03:31] <Braden`> Ok
[03:31] <Braden`> I will heed your advice and think of some other solution
[03:32] <escott> Braden`, chroot almost never works on modern systems. its too complex to give anyone anything marginally useful without opening it up to anything
[03:33] <escott> Braden`, virtualization or containers are good. or give them a normal user account and just trust that you installed good packages and can secure your filesystem
[03:33] <escott> Braden`, in your case you might look at purchasing time on things like Amazon EC2
[03:33] <white_magic> how can I check if an external wifi adapter i connected is recognized by Ubuntu? Also, how can I set it to to be the primary one?
[03:34] <escott> white_magic, does it appear in ifconfig and iwconfig
[03:34] <Josh4789> Hello
[03:35] <Braden`> escott:  I am not confident on that.  Industrious people can always find ways around normal user accounts
[03:36] <Josh4789> Can anybody help me set up a Compaq IJ650 Printer on Ubuntu 12.04 Server i cant figure it out
[03:36] <escott> Braden`, those same industrious people can crack your chroot in half the time
[03:36] <Braden`> escott:  Aye, noted :/
[03:39] <white_magic> escott: it does not, so I guess i need to install the drivers for it
[03:40] <devish> hostane -f gives me name or serice not known , what could have gone wrong
[03:40] <devish> any ideas
[03:40] <sklz> question: -- If I want to copy the display settings from a usb installer to my desktop wich files should i copy?
[03:41] <escott> sklz, there are none to copy
[03:41] <szal> under normal circumstances, that is
[03:41] <sklz> really?
[03:42] <szal> unless you run the proprietary NVIDIA driver, it's usually all plug-and-play autoconfig
[03:42] <sklz> so my thumb drive works fine when i boot into it for my dual displays but when I login to my desktop the monitors don't extend
[03:44] <sklz> there has to be a config file somewhere to mock the thumb drive
[03:44] <adknight87> Hmm
[03:47] <escott> sklz, no there isnt
[03:48] <sklz> escott I thought everything in linux was saved to a config file
[03:48] <usr13> Anyone know how to do pier to pier video-conferencing, (just within a LAN).  Maybe using something like Ekiga.  (I'm supposing it might require setting up some sort of Voip server with in the LAN.)  In other words, I'm looking for a video-conferencing solution for use [only] inside a LAN.
[03:48] <escott> sklz, no. x has been autoconfig for about 5-6 years now
[03:49] <escott> usr13, peer to peer not pier to pier
[03:49] <usr13> escott: Thank you.  peer to peer.... got it.
[03:50] <escott> usr13, and thats not what peer to peer means
[03:50] <usr13> escott: Well, maybe not.  Scratch that part.
[03:50] <escott> usr13, pretty much all video conferencing is peer to peer in the sense that the data stream doesn't go through anyone else. but within a subnet is easy. you don't need to do anything special to traverse NATs
[03:50] <usr13> What I want is audio and video across [inside] the LAN.
[03:51] <sklz> escott thx
[03:51] <escott> usr13, so anything should work. Ekiga should be fine. see if you can make direct calls to ip addresses with ekiga
[03:51] <usr13> escott: Doesn't even need to traverse a NAT, just within the LAN.
[03:51] <usr13> escott: Yea, ok.  I'll just install it and expiriment with it.
[03:52] <usr13> Thanks.
[03:52] <oscar> CECILIA
[03:52] <escott> usr13, point is the only purpose of a central server is NAT traversal and username lookups. if you know who you want to call and where they are the central server is useless
[03:52] <szal> escott: not that long.. but 3 or 4 years could well be
[03:53] <escott> usr13, something like bonjour can let you broadcast the service and username on the local domain
[03:53] <Slashmonkey> Slashmonkey
[03:53] <escott> szal, long enough i've lost count... ie back when i was still using gentoo. don't think ive used a Xorg.conf since switching to ubuntu
[03:54] <escott> usr13, http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Avahi
[03:54] <ranjan_> Hi all
[03:55] <usr13> escott: That looks interesting.
[04:04] <James_Carter> !help I have a ubuntu usb created and used it to install ubuntu on my desktop, but it will not work on laptop. It shows SYSLINUX 'text' and nothing else
[04:05] <James_Carter> anyone here?
[04:05] <sklz> what
[04:06] <James_Carter> I have a ubuntu usb created and used it to install ubuntu on my desktop, but it will not work on laptop. It shows SYSLINUX 'text' and nothing else
[04:08] <sklz> James_Carter,
[04:08] <sklz> James_Carter,  is it compatible processor?
[04:08] <James_Carter> idk intel atom
[04:08] <devish> elb: awesome it works /exit
[04:08] <delfincek> hello.. what is the name of SKYPE in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[04:09] <James_Carter> backtrack links?
[04:10] <delfincek> is there any prog. like skype at all?
[04:10] <James_Carter> should be
[04:10] <szal> James_Carter: whole sentences?
[04:10] <James_Carter> anyone have links for backtrack isos?
[04:11] <szal> !backtrack
[04:12] <crimsonmane> James_Carter: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=link+for+backtrack+iso
[04:13] <James_Carter> lol thnx
[04:13] <crimsonmane> :)
[04:13] <James_Carter> do u need backtrack iso to run it in VMware?
[04:13] <anisha> can anyone tell me how i can get the list of users on this channel to show on the right side of this window?
[04:13] <anisha> it used to show earlier, for the life of me i can't figure out why it doesn't now
[04:14] <James_Carter> is it blank?
[04:14] <crimsonmane> James_Carter: yes.
[04:14] <anisha> there's just.. nothing
[04:14] <crimsonmane> James_Carter: you can't install an OS to VMware without an ISO
[04:14] <anisha> the grey chat window goes all the way
[04:14] <blackshirt> halo jejakasenyum
[04:15] <causative> how do I configure the menu bar at the top in 12.04?
[04:15] <blackshirt> halo fauzan
[04:15] <causative> i.e. configure what shows on it, etc.
[04:15] <crimsonmane> anisha: what are you using, xchat?
[04:15] <blackshirt> indo neh :d
[04:15] <James_Carter> check the tool links at top of IRC
[04:15] <plustax> Question. I use team viewer from my phone to my laptop but I don't want to leave my laptop completely on. Is there any way to wake my laptop up from a suspend or hibernation from my phone with team viewer? I feel like leaving my laptop fully on would eventually mess up my battery
[04:16] <plustax> Would it hurt to leave my laptop on allvtge time and would it be better to remove the battery and run on Ac?
[04:16] <crimsonmane> anisha: click View, then deselect the Nicks, then View again and re-select the Nicks. Let me know if that helps or not.
[04:16] <budmang> plustax: remove the batter if you dont want the batttery messed up
[04:17] <plustax> budmang: okay what do you recommend I do for sleep settings? Can team viewer wake it from sleep?
[04:17] <budmang> You would need to ask teamviwer.. but probbaly not.. you could setup some kinda WAKE on LAN if your PC supports it.
[04:18] <plustax> Hmm. Never heard of anything like that
[04:18] <Shirakawasuna> Is using LVM across multiple disks riskier, since it only takes one disk to fail for the whole thing to be borked? I do backups regularly, but preventing crashes is also nice.
[04:18] <crimsonmane> team viewer cannot wake the computer from sleep
[04:18] <James_Carter> why is ubuntu slower than windows on my comp?
[04:18] <plustax> crimsonmane: well let me ask you this. Would you leave your laptop on in my situation or no?
[04:19] <sklz> anisha that depends what client you are using
[04:19] <Alice_linux> hi sweethearts, why my xubuntu boots into black screen, I have to manually restart lightdm?
[04:19] <causative> James_Carter, you could try turning off window effects
[04:19] <plustax> James is it 64 bit windows and 32 bit Ubuntu?
[04:19] <escott>  Shirakawasuna many people layer LVM and mdadm
[04:19] <James_Carter> window effecrs?
[04:19] <causative> what specifically is slower?
[04:19] <James_Carter> i only have ubuntu
[04:19] <James_Carter> everything is slow
[04:19] <Alice_linux> hi sweethearts, why my xubuntu boots into black screen, I have to manually restart lightdm?
[04:19] <James_Carter> my apps lag and everything
[04:19] <escott> James_Carter, slow is a very subjective thing.
[04:20] <sklz> James_Carter, thats a really broad statement. Ubuntu usually boots a lot faster than any windows
[04:20] <sklz> is that the prob you have?
[04:20] <escott> James_Carter, is it latency or throughput or what
[04:20] <L3mce> James_Carter: probably related to your GPU. lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:20] <plustax> James_Carter: are you running a 64 or 32 bit system and are you using the correct distro for that?
[04:20] <md_5> Any idea why when skype is open HTTP and HTTPS just breaks?
[04:20] <Alice_linux> hi sweethearts, why my xubuntu boots into black screen, I have to manually restart lightdm?
[04:20] <James_Carter> my boot is slow too...and whenm i go to log in it has black sceen for like 10 seconds
[04:20] <Shirakawasuna> escott: yes. I'm very interested in using it to span a couple drives. I don't really have a purpose for RAID (home machine) though.
[04:20] <md_5> hangs on opening socket
[04:20] <James_Carter> 32 bit
[04:20] <James_Carter> i believe its correct distro
[04:20] <L3mce> James_Carter: probably related to your GPU. lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:21] <Alice_linux> hi sweethearts, why my xubuntu boots into black screen, I have to manually restart lightdm?
[04:21] <Shirakawasuna> or at least I wouldn't without buying another 2 HDs, which I don't think my MB can support
[04:21] <plustax> James_Carter: did you install using wubi?
[04:21] <Shirakawasuna> currently there's 4 in there
[04:21] <James_Carter> YUMI
[04:21] <sklz> James_Carter, could be windows is running 64bit and linux on 32?
[04:21] <Alice_linux> Can someone please tell me why my xubuntu boots into black screen every time, and I have to manually restart lightdm in order to get into xubuntu desktop?
[04:21] <James_Carter> i only have ubuntu no windows anymore
[04:21] <escott> Shirakawasuna, there is a risk yes. i dont know enough about ext4 to say how well it handles having a big chunk of the disk disappear, but it won't see through the LVM layer to know where it is putting its superblocks. it would be a good idea to manually force superblocks onto each disk
[04:21] <L3mce> sklz that wont actually make a difference with what he is describing.
[04:21] <plustax> Sklz that's what I'm thinking
[04:22] <plustax> James_Carter: you were probably running 64 windows before.
[04:22] <junglefrog> why does autostart.sh not work in openbox in 12.10
[04:22] <sklz> James_Carter, if u have never defraged your pc that could be why then
[04:22] <James_Carter> prolly idk it was old windows XP 2005
[04:22] <plustax> James_Carter: make and model of your PC please.
[04:22] <James_Carter> how do i defrag on ubuntu?
[04:22] <plustax> Or which processor you have
[04:22] <James_Carter> ok hold on
[04:22] <Razi> Hi
[04:22] <L3mce> sklz: plustax... you are both incorrect. Please stop misleading the gentleman.
[04:22] <escott> !defrag | James_Carter sklz
[04:23] <sklz> James_Carter, what version of ubuntu are u running
[04:23] <James_Carter> 12.10
[04:23] <Alice_linux> Can someone please tell me why my xubuntu boots into black screen every time, and I have to manually restart lightdm in order to get into xubuntu desktop?
[04:23] <escott> !repeat | Alice_linux
[04:23] <Alice_linux> Can someone please tell me why my xubuntu 12.10 boots into black screen every time, and I have to manually restart lightdm in order to get into xubuntu desktop?
[04:23] <plustax> L3mce: if he was running win64 on a 64 but capable system and he replaced it with ubuntu32 then that's his issue.
[04:23] <L3mce> you are incorrect.
[04:23] <sklz> L3mce, thanks !
[04:23] <James_Carter> see im tryin to open sysatem settings to get info and major lag
[04:24] <plustax> L3mce: please enlighten us then
[04:24] <L3mce> I am not here to debate. If you want your problem identified I am happy to help James_Carter.
[04:24] <sklz> he said windows xp I don't think that runs 64bit
[04:24] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I haven't done a ton of things on that level (and haven't used LVM). Are you saying I should create at least two partitions, one for each disk?
[04:24] <James_Carter> plz help..u seem very confident
[04:24] <Alice_linux>  Can someone please tell me why my xubuntu 12.10 boots into black screen every time, and I have to manually restart lightdm in order to get into xubuntu desktop?
[04:24] <L3mce> I need the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:25] <L3mce> James_Carter: ^
[04:25] <James_Carter> wats that?
[04:25] <James_Carter> go to terminal?
[04:25] <szal> sklz, L3mce: XP 64bit existed, but was a specialty OS unlikely to have ended up on a lot of machines.. so when the talk is of XP, it's more than likely 32bit
[04:25] <L3mce> in a terminal... you will type/copy past that
[04:25] <Shirakawasuna> Alice_linux: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a clean start and see if it hits any errors: (EE). If it doesn't, you can rule out X as the problem.
[04:25] <L3mce> !ot | szal
[04:25] <James_Carter> ok hold on...be awhile cuz it lags lol
[04:25] <Shirakawasuna> Alice_linux: which leaves lightdm / xfce
[04:25] <szal> !botabuse | L3mce
[04:26] <James_Carter> how would i add terminal to my sidebar nav?
[04:26] <plustax> Drag and drop it from applications if using unity
[04:26] <escott> Shirakawasuna, neither have I. you might check in #ubuntu-server, but I know you can adjust where ext keeps its backup superblocks and it would seem a good idea to make sure those land on different physical disks. that said LVM is really intended for situations where you plan to grow the logical disk. so people use it when they plan to upgrade a machine over years and gradually replace disks with larger ones as they fail. I would not p
[04:26] <escott> lan to do that without raid
[04:26] <James_Carter> unity?
[04:26] <Alice_linux> should i nano it when prompt at login?
[04:26] <L3mce> James_Carter: if you type term it will come up with the terminal, you can drag and drop it... but for now we just need it open.
[04:27] <bobweaver> how do I watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI
[04:27] <Alice_linux> Shirakawasuna
[04:27] <Alice_linux> can i paste you the file as it is too long
[04:27] <James_Carter> ok
[04:27] <James_Carter> wat output u need?
[04:28] <delfincek> hello
[04:28] <escott> Alice_linux, just "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[04:28] <delfincek> is there any virus/malware scanner 4 linux ubuntu 12.04 LTS?
[04:28] <escott> !antivirus | delfincek
[04:28] <Alice_linux> escott, can I forward you the text of the file?
[04:28] <L3mce> James_Carter: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[04:28] <user123abc> hi, I really like the 12.10 gnome-terminal font. I'd like to get the same look in urxvt/xterm. has anyone had success doing this?
[04:28] <bobweaver> !info shorewall
[04:29] <escott> Alice_linux, i don't want to read all that. run the grep command first and see if it outputs anything
[04:29] <James_Carter> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series] [1002:5954]
[04:29] <Alice_linux> okay
[04:29] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Interesting, got it. I think I might just not need LVM, not necessarily worth the trouble. I'll keep that in mind when I set up servers, though. It sounds invaluable to keeping a server up an running.
[04:29] <Alice_linux> escott
[04:30] <Alice_linux> escott : 	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[04:30] <Alice_linux> [    39.709] Initializing built-in extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[04:30] <anisha> send anisha [/home/CPD/example1.c]
[04:30] <bobweaver> what is figlet ? \
[04:30] <escott> Alice_linux, you are looking for lines that contain (EE) other than the first one you pasted
[04:30] <L3mce> James_Carter: the only driver available to you on that chipset is the open source radeon driver. ATI dropped support for that series a long time ago. I recommend not bothering with unity and instead installing... well frankly due to the age of the gpu, xfce... kde will be a tad laggy, but will work.
[04:30] <escott> Alice_linux, if there aren't any then X encountered no errors
[04:30] <James_Carter> install kde?
[04:30] <Alice_linux> that was the output after grep EE
[04:31] <escott> !info figlet | bobweaver
[04:31] <Alice_linux> so escott what should I do next?
[04:31] <L3mce> James_Carter: My recommendation for optimal performance would be xfce. Kde will work but be a bit laggy when scrolling in firefox for instance... and video will struggle a bit harder.
[04:31] <bobweaver> how to make bvies head ecott
[04:31] <bobweaver> bevis
[04:32] <bobweaver> is that cowsay ?
[04:32] <bobweaver> what is cpowsay ?
[04:32] <bobweaver> cowsay ?
[04:32] <escott> bobweaver, why don't you !info cowsay | bobweaver yourself
[04:32] <Alice_linux> escott? what should I do next?
[04:33] <bobweaver> apt-cache poilcy caowsay
[04:33] <bobweaver> cowsay
[04:33] <escott> Alice_linux, hard to say. my guess is that some service is failing and upstart is not starting lightdm. you might check the syslog and see if any service is failing to start
[04:33] <Alice_linux> how do I do that?
[04:33] <sklz> Does anyone know of a way to copy my Display settings from a flash drive to my desktop?
[04:33] <James_Carter> L3mce: So wat is xfce and kde? drivers? how would i install them?
[04:34] <escott> Alice_linux, im not particularly skilled in debugging upstart
[04:34] <Alice_linux> okay
[04:34] <L3mce> James_Carter: they are desktop environments. You are currently using unity. They are alternatives. There are several. Those are my recommendations.
[04:34] <bobweaver> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1403762/
[04:34] <Shirakawasuna> Alice_linux: when you manually start lightdm, what command do you use?
[04:34] <L3mce> !xfce > James_Carter
[04:35] <Alice_linux> sudo service lightdm restart
[04:35] <James_Carter> ok so how would i go about getting them? do i have to uninstall unity?
[04:35] <L3mce> !kde > James_Carter
[04:35] <Guest43656> i need server
[04:35] <escott> Alice_linux, next time before doing that you might check the status of lightdm
[04:35] <Alice_linux> how?
[04:35] <L3mce> I would expect the links ubottu just sent you will answer your questions, and no, you do not need to uninstall your current DE
[04:35] <L3mce> James_Carter: ^
[04:35] <Guest43656> Is it one works surfer
[04:35] <Guest43656> Is it one works surfer
[04:35] <Guest43656> Is it one works surfer
[04:36] <FloodBot1> Guest43656: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:36] <plustax> Unity can be pretty resource heavy on an older system. Its the graphic user interface. If you're an android user, think of it as changing launchers
[04:36] <James_Carter> ok thnx L3mce hopefully this works
[04:36] <Guest43656> Is it one works surfer
[04:36] <bobweaver> NS plustax
[04:36] <Guest43656> Is it one works services
[04:36] <Guest43656> Is it one works services4
[04:36] <Guest43656> Is it one works services4222
[04:36] <Guest43656> Is it one works services4
[04:36] <L3mce> np James_Carter. Again you can install both of them and then choose which you boot into to test them out for yourselves.
[04:36] <FloodBot1> Guest43656: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:36] <bobweaver> plustax,  umm atrix 2 ?
[04:37] <plustax> bobweaver: galaxy nexus
[04:37] <escott> Alice_linux, initctl list
[04:37] <bobweaver> nice g3 ?
[04:37] <L3mce> s/yourselves/yourself/
[04:37] <Alice_linux> then what?
[04:37] <plustax> bobweaver: I wish I want the note 2
[04:37] <bobweaver> plustax,  then what there is no FW ?
[04:37] <plustax> Fw?
[04:38] <James_Carter> type this "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" into term?
[04:38] <bobweaver> firmware
[04:38] <Braden`> Is there a way to generate manpages for c++?
[04:38] <plustax> Oh I'm running jellybean aokp milestone 1
[04:38] <escott> Braden`, meaning what?
[04:38] <Braden`> maybe from a cplusplus.com or something
[04:38] <L3mce> yes James_Carter
[04:38] <Braden`> Online documentation
[04:38] <Braden`> I supposedly have c++ manpages already installed, but am unsure how to use them
[04:38] <Braden`> I tried man std::cout
[04:38] <Braden`> to no avail
[04:39] <bobweaver> plustax,  you are chrooted with vnc on phone ?
[04:39] <Alice_linux> escott, i am going to try that now. be right back!
[04:39] <James_Carter> linux is cool!!! lol
[04:39] <plustax> bobweaver: I am
[04:39] <L3mce> James_Carter: KDE will be more familiar to you. It is laid out more like windows. xfce is very minimal, kde has a lot of bells and whistles... unity is on a slightly different plane.
[04:39] <James_Carter> i feel like a genius xD
[04:39] <bobweaver> plustax,  what aremel are you using ?
[04:39] <escott> Braden`, see apropos
[04:39] <James_Carter> im doin xfce u said thats less laggy than kde right?
[04:39] <sklz> why do so many things don't work in ubuntu 12 that were fine for 11?
[04:40] <plustax> Stock aokp kernel bobweaver
[04:40] <bobweaver> plustax,  icecream ?
[04:40] <James_Carter> so once i install do i have to reboot?
[04:40] <bobweaver> !icecream
[04:41] <bobweaver> ubottu,  sometimes I ought
[04:41] <James_Carter> is the quake terminal cool?
[04:41] <James_Carter> i saw it in software center
[04:41] <bobweaver> James_Carter,  only if yu think so
[04:42] <bobweaver> you *
[04:42] <Bustacap> You mean guake terminal?
[04:42] <James_Carter> lol well ivenever tryed it
[04:42] <James_Carter> idk...but it said quake type terminal
[04:42] <Braden`> escott:  Thank you!
[04:42] <bobweaver> James_Carter, you also see terminator or how ever it is spleled
[04:42] <Braden`> Didn't find it so apparently I don't have the necessary manpages, but that utility is nice
[04:42] <bobweaver> !info termanator
[04:42] <James_Carter> yeh
[04:43] <James_Carter> were u can run several terms at once
[04:43] <bobweaver> James_Carter,  what bout screen ?
[04:43] <James_Carter> wat is quantal?
[04:43] <bobweaver> on top
[04:43] <James_Carter> !info quantal
[04:43] <James_Carter> screen?
[04:43] <heoyea> tmux
[04:44] <`z> hello! i've got a problem with hal (i guess). whenever i try to mount a removable disk from nautilus or thunar, it mounts it in /media/derp/<name> instead of /media/<name>
[04:44] <`z> making derp a file causes it to error instead of reverting back to /media/*
[04:44] <bobweaver> heoyea,  you kidz and your fancy tools :)
[04:45] <escott> `z, so whats your problem
[04:45] <`z> escott, how do i set the default hotplug mountpoint to /media/*
[04:45] <L3mce> James_Carter: you can run as many terminals in your desktop(s) as you want... screen is a very cool utility that does a lot. man screen            in terminal
[04:45] <`z> instead of /media/derp/*
[04:45] <RickZilla> Running 12.10, recent install, every once in awhile I'll come across a web page with a button that links to something like apt://nameofapp, and when I click on it it asks me what application I should associate it with. What are my choices here?
[04:45] <bobweaver> rotflol heoyea
[04:45] <escott> `z, why would you want that
[04:45] <`z> RickZilla, probably ubuntu software center
[04:45] <`z> escott, because right now, all my removable devices are stuck in /media/derp/
[04:46] <RickZilla> k, how would I go about associating that?
[04:46] <escott> `z, and what is wrong with that. thats the correct place
[04:46] <`z> so i have to go into /media/derp/usb1 to access my files
[04:46] <`z> instead of /media/usb1
[04:46] <L3mce> RickZilla: apt should not be a prefix... and if it were trusted it would be in your repository... and if it is not... I am not sure you WANT to associate it with something.
[04:46] <`z> i think you're misunderstanding my question.
[04:47] <James_Carter> L3mce: so once xfce is done then wat?
[04:47] <RickZilla> L3mce Here's an example: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/supertuxkart/
[04:47] <`z> escott, what i want is to have all my removable disks mounted in a directory in /media, not /media/derp
[04:48] <Alice_linux> escott
[04:48] <Alice_linux> the last line was ureadahead stop/waiting
[04:48] <James_Carter> man i wish i could trade in ALL my old computers/laptops/asessories/etc for one badazz computer lol
[04:48] <Alice_linux> the last line was "ureadahead stop/waiting"
[04:48] <James_Carter> can u buy a computer with linux OS preinstalled?
[04:49] <`z> James_Carter, sure
[04:49] <RickZilla> Dell used to offer that, I don't know if they do any more
[04:49] <user123abc> James_Carter, system76 makes ubuntu computers nowadays
[04:49] <James_Carter> really? which distros?
[04:49] <`z> James_Carter, ubuntu
[04:49] <`z> system76 makes em
[04:49] <felixhandte> Hey guys, I'm getting a kernel panic (http://felixhandte.com/imgs/kernel-panic-2.jpg) when I try to boot into Ubuntu 12.10 off my drive or a live USB on a new build. However, memtest86+ and stresslinux both seem to work just fine. Anyone willing to help me diagnose?
[04:49] <James_Carter> how good r the computers hardware wise?
[04:50] <`z> James_Carter, decent
[04:50] <Mango_Man> ubuntu gaming laptops? why buy a linux gaming laptop when there aren't any games on linux
[04:50] <`z> quite high powered
[04:50] <`z> Mango_Man, steam for linux
[04:50] <L3mce> James_Carter: on the login screen, can you click the gear icon and select xfce?
[04:50] <James_Carter> like? lol
[04:50] <Mango_Man> yeah, but not many on steam for linux yet
[04:50] <Mango_Man> i've yet to try tf2 on S4L
[04:50] <user123abc> Mango_Man, I'd do that if I planned to dualboot windows for gaming, but I preferred to do my real work in Linux
[04:50] <heoyea> is a scam
[04:50] <James_Carter> ok thnx l3mce...oh and were is the restart/shutdown option on here lol
[04:50] <RickZilla> I'm two windows apps from ditching it all together, maybe some day, but not yet
[04:51] <L3mce> where is here James_Carter?
[04:51] <Mango_Man> yeah, the only good windows apps are Unity and Steam
[04:51] <James_Carter> windows blows!
[04:51] <escott> Alice_linux, i don't care about the last line. what about the lightdm line
[04:51] <user123abc> felixhandte, that looks nasty - if no one here can help maybe #linux can help
[04:51] <RickZilla> I use Lightroom extensively for what I do...nothing else compares in Linux
[04:52] <user123abc> RickZilla, have you tried running windows in a VM?
[04:52] <user123abc> RickZilla, for non-gaming stuff, it works great
[04:52] <James_Carter> r there any like alt OSs other than mac/windows/linux?
[04:52] <Alice_linux> i will check again
[04:52] <bobweaver> I want to DL my own vid from yTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pER9B5Jo5dI) maybe I should use script http://paste.ubuntu.com/1403782/   should I use env ?
[04:52] <L3mce> RickZilla: if you just install from software center you wont have to deal with associating whatever file it is downloading... though I would expect it to dl a .deb, which should automatically associate with the gnu package manager... probably synaptic... not sure.
[04:52] <user123abc> RickZilla, "windows" becomes just another application that runs in your linux environment
[04:52] <heoyea> James_Carter: BSD, reactOS, Haiku
[04:53] <bobweaver> what do you think?
[04:53] <James_Carter> r they opensource?
[04:53] <heoyea> James_Carter: ye
[04:53] <James_Carter> u tryed em?
[04:53] <Mango_Man> or you could write your own OS :D
[04:53] <user123abc> James_Carter, plan9
[04:53] <heoyea> yep
[04:53] <bobweaver> Mango_Man,  how to do that ?
[04:53] <johnshaft> Test
[04:53] <bobweaver> !test
[04:54] <Mango_Man> bobweaver: osdev
[04:54] <Mango_Man> that's what i hear
[04:54] <johnshaft> :-) cheers
[04:54] <bobweaver> Mango_Man, http://xkcd.com/705/
[04:55] <escott> `z, really dont see why you would want to do that. having those in /media is very problematic. the config would somehow be related to udisks but no idea where
[04:55] <`z> escott, i don't really see how it would be problematic seeing that it's the default
[04:55] <`z> /media/<labelname>
[04:56] <RickZilla> n/m, found out how to do it. btw, apt:// is a real url https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptURL
[04:56] <`z> but thanks, will try looking some more
[04:56] <escott> `z, was the default. problem is why should another use be able to see that i mounted anything
[04:56] <`z> i see
[04:56] <`z> okay then
[04:56] <James_Carter> ok my sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop is done...were is restart/shutdown?
[04:56] <bobweaver> I want to DL my own vid from yTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pER9B5Jo5dI) maybe I should use script http://paste.ubuntu.com/1403782/   should I use env ?
[04:57] <L3mce> James_Carter: in unity?
[04:57] <bobweaver> should I use something else is there any thing else ?
[04:57] <James_Carter> yeh
[04:57] <IdleOne> bobweaver: youtube-dl
[04:57] <James_Carter> ohh lol nvm found it
[04:58] <James_Carter> :P
[04:58] <James_Carter> ill be bak
[04:58] <Poindexter_> Is there an Ubuntu user groups reader and the main question is there a free usenet server to log into?
[04:58] <bobweaver> thanks IdleOne  seems like the api cahnged over night could be wrong also seems like pacakge you yviewer and all tath is not working
[04:59] <bobweaver> like all th eapi public changed
[04:59] <bobweaver> api *
[04:59] <bobweaver> can see in dash
[04:59] <heoyea> bobweaver: run sudo youtube-dl -U to update
[04:59] <bobweaver> I will try
[05:00] <bobweaver> pthanks
[05:00] <bobweaver> pbuilder --thanks
[05:00] <RickZilla> Recommendation for something besides Unity? Cinnamon, perhaps? I've only ever used that in Linux Mint
[05:00] <escott> Poindexter_, there was pan. not sure if that project is still alive
[05:00] <escott> !info pan
[05:01] <heoyea> RickZilla: xfce
[05:01] <blackshirt> gnome-shell
[05:01] <L3mce> RickZilla: depends on your desires. There are a LOT of DEs. For the record those two are not supported here.
[05:01] <Poindexter_> Escott I used Pan a few years back but Comcast dropped Usergroups. Pissed  for that.
[05:01] <bobweaver> heoyea,  https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/ubuntutv/+files/unity-scope-youtube_0.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[05:02] <L3mce> RickZilla: personally I am fond of KDE.
[05:02] <bobweaver> just like ggole weather
[05:02] <otend> Is it safe to remove ubuntu-desktop if I am using a different DE?
[05:02] <bobweaver> afride to say name
[05:02] <otend> Or will it screw everything up?
[05:02] <escott> Poindexter_, *that* bothered you? not the charging twice what every other country charges for a tenth the speed
[05:02] <otend> or, actually, to rephrase it
[05:02] <otend> if I am using xubuntu-desktop
[05:02] <bobweaver> also watchseries scope
[05:03] <James_Carter> lol wow!!! way toooo fast xD
[05:03] <heoyea> bobweaver: dont need to use any lens or scope is basically just links to open web browser
[05:03] <bobweaver> heoyea,  https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/ubuntutv
[05:03] <James_Carter> thnx L3mce...but this envirnment is ugly :/ lol any fast cool ones?
[05:03] <bobweaver> see W lens are great ?
[05:04] <otend> I'm trying to nuke Pulseaudio, and I need to know if that package is vital.
[05:04] <L3mce> James_Carter: Like I said... it is a very minimal environment. It doesnt need much so it flies. Lubuntu is even thinner actually. KDE is a little bit heavy, but brings all the eyecandy your equipment can support.
[05:04] <Poindexter_> Escott Comcast changed the email port without telling it's customers as well.
[05:04] <James_Carter> wats xbunutu like?
[05:04] <otend> middle-of-the-road
[05:04] <L3mce> James_Carter: and again... there are several DEs.
[05:04] <otend> it's nice
[05:04] <otend> in my opinion, at least
[05:04] <heoyea> bobweaver: UbuntuTV not even out yet, still alpha
[05:04] <L3mce> James_Carter: xubuntu is essentially what you are running now. Ubuntu with the xfce interface... more or less
[05:04] <escott> Poindexter_, again. *that* bothered you? you must be the only customer who actually uses their services
[05:05] <James_Carter> this DE is easier to navigate thru
[05:05] <bobweaver> sorry it is never going to happen at this rate
[05:05] <otend> I'm going to take this as a yes
[05:05] <escott> otend, yes it is vital
[05:05] <otend> Oh.
[05:05] <Poindexter_> Escott, you take what is available at the time.
[05:05] <L3mce> James_Carter: trying different DEs is free btw ;) you can just install kubuntu-desktop and see if you like it better
[05:05] <bobweaver> heoyea,  killing unity 2d was not a good idea ?
[05:06] <James_Carter> cool...is thr like a place that shows all the DEs and has displays?
[05:06] <otend> I'm asking because I'm getting pretty constant audio bugs, and people are informing me that Pulseaudio causes problems.
[05:06] <L3mce> Not exactly... as they extend beyond what is supported here James_Carter.
[05:06] <L3mce> !derivatives
[05:06] <escott> otend, there are a lot of people who complain about pulse/systemd because they don't like poettering. it solves a very difficult problem and it does a good just at it these days. removing it is probably just going to make things worse
[05:07] <heoyea> bobweaver: both garbage anyways
[05:07] <bobweaver> heoyea,  yuo are right 2d sux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0
[05:07] <otend> joy
[05:07] <otend> maybe asking for a direct fix would be easier.
[05:07] <bobweaver> eff all the 2d dvs
[05:07] <James_Carter> oh is thr a backtrack DE?
[05:07] <bobweaver> we sux
[05:07] <Poindexter_> Thanks anyways for the input Escott. :)
[05:08] <otend> I'm rather consistently having severe audio problems, ranging from headphone out randomly dying for hours at a time to programs muting each other by taking over the sound output.  are there ways to fix this that I can be stepped through?
[05:08] <L3mce> yes James_Carter... but it is off topic here
[05:08] <escott> Poindexter_, usenet isn't that popular these days, but im sure there are free usenet servers out there you can connect to
[05:08] <James_Carter> off topic? cuz its a penetration type thing?
[05:08] <otend> !derivatives
[05:08] <escott> otend, "programs... taking over sound output" sounds like they aren't going through pulse. not that pulse is messing things up
[05:09] <bobweaver> heoyea,  we make be garbge but we run on gles unity 3d does that or is it llvm
[05:09] <L3mce> James_Carter: because this is the official ubuntu support channel, and it is not supported here as the bot said.
[05:09] <bobweaver> ;!info llvm
[05:09] <otend> actually, I checked the Pulse mixer.  ALSA's plugin is being activated.  I'm not sure what's going on here, and I'm not necessarily blaming pulse.
[05:09] <bobweaver> !info llvm
[05:09] <bobweaver> !info metacity
[05:09] <SuperNoeMan> bazhang: wow oh my gosh
[05:10] <bobweaver> !info wayland
[05:10] <SuperNoeMan> bazhang: you've been here for so long
[05:10] <otend> Honestly, I'm just left here confused and puzzled (or confuzzled, as Max Horowitz would say)
[05:10] <SuperNoeMan> do you have a job in ubuntu or open source that has you on here so much always helping?
[05:10] <escott> otend, pulse emulates 99% of alsa and provides that emulated driver to the applications to connect to
[05:10] <Poindexter_> Escott Linus Torvolds introduced Linux on the News Groups.
[05:10] <L3mce> escott: ?
[05:11] <escott> otend, sounds like some of your applications are not talking to pulse and trying to go direct to alsa and breaking things
[05:11] <Poindexter_> I am saddened that it is not offered that by some service providers.
[05:11] <otend> this is going to be a fun night, isn't it?
[05:12] <bobweaver> !info qtwayland effen mother iceWM I mean Wm
[05:12] <escott> otend, sound in general often is. i would start by checking that your programs are using pulse, pulse should be able to show you what applications are trying to send it streams
[05:12] <James_Carter> is there a uninstall programs thing here?
[05:12] <bobweaver> !info qtwayland
[05:12] <bobweaver> what what what
[05:12] <otend> doesn't Wayland only exist currently in a joke OS?
[05:12] <bobweaver> then how are we going to port to it ?
[05:12] <L3mce> James_Carter: apt-get remove <package name>
[05:12] <Rakko> I'd like to tell X to treat my display as *smaller* than it physically is. I've found some 2005-era information about using xorg.conf for that; but I'm wondering how I should do it nowadays. Does the xorg.conf method still work?
[05:12] <L3mce> James_Carter: sudo
[05:13] <James_Carter> well is thr a place with all the package names lol
[05:13] <bobweaver> ~$ apt-cache search wayland qt
[05:13] <bobweaver> qtwayland - Qt support for the Wayland windowing system
[05:13] <otend> hrm
[05:13] <L3mce> Rakko: are you trying to overcome TV overscan?
[05:13] <bobweaver> maybe 2d can run on that ?
[05:13] <escott> L3mce, ?
[05:13] <Rakko> L3mce: no; broken right side of LCD monitor
[05:13] <otend> nevermind, then
[05:13] <otend> (I've only seen it in Rebecca Black OS)
[05:14] <escott> otend, wayland will replace X in 5-10 years. it just hit 1.0 so its got a ways to go still
[05:14] <bobweaver> otend,  you are right walyen is a joke !
[05:14] <L3mce> escott: Your explanation of pulse was not my understanding. I was curious if you were using the description as an easy explaination or if my understanding might be mistaken... I think I am off topic...
[05:14] <bobweaver> just like metacity
[05:14] <bobweaver> !info metacity
[05:15] <Rakko> what does wayland have in its favor that things like fresco didn't?
[05:15] <escott> L3mce, pulse provides a libpulse with entry points for most libalsa functions and then internally handles resampling issues before calling libalsa itself
[05:15] <bobweaver> !info libnux
[05:15] <bobweaver> !info libnux-3.0-dev
[05:16] <James_Carter> ight well im off peeps
[05:16] <bobweaver> !info libnux-3.0
[05:16] <bobweaver> er
[05:16] <bobweaver> !info libnux-3.0-common
[05:17] <bobweaver> !info weston - reference implementation of a wayland compositor
[05:17] <bobweaver> qtwayland weston - reference implementation of a wayland compositor
[05:17] <bobweaver> qtwayland
[05:17] <L3mce> Rakko: you will need to create a custom modeline and add it to xorg.conf, yes. The tools you will need are cvt and xrandr... You will need a modeline calculator and to understand what it is doing. What you are doing is abnormal. You cannot hurt the monitor so long as it is not a CRT.
[05:17] <escott> bobweaver, stop SPAMMING
[05:18] <bobweaver> btw my pay check for the week is now 67 usd
[05:18] <bobweaver> sorry escott
[05:18] <Rakko> L3mce: Thanks. Can I put just that modeline in xorg.conf, or do I need to include all the stanzas like we used to?
[05:18] <bobweaver> I will stop
[05:19] <escott> bobweaver, you can /msg ubottu and have a private chat with it
[05:19] <L3mce> I am not sure exactly what you mean by stanzas. An example xorg.conf modeline is         Modeline        "1920x1080" 148.5 1920 1960 2016 2200 1080 1082 1088 1125
[05:20] <bobweaver>  /msg escott yeah I know I am overwelmed atm
[05:20] <Rakko> L3mce: I mean all the config sections for video card, monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc.
[05:20] <L3mce> Rakko: once using an xorg.conf, you will want as complete and accurate an xorg.conf as possible.
[05:20] <Rakko> meh. ok
[05:20] <escott> Rakko, i would assume you would, otherwise how would it know what display to apply that to
[05:20] <L3mce> Rakko: what is your gpu? lspci -nn | grep VGA
[05:20] <escott> Rakko, a simpler way is to make an xrandr command and put that in the xinit scripts
[05:21] <Rakko> oh, escott, cool
[05:21] <escott> Rakko, never really understood how this works but perhaps somewhere in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[05:21] <L3mce> escott: is undoubtedly correct... I just work with xorg.confs because I am stubborn.
[05:21] <Rakko> escott: would I just pipe in the modeline I create with cvt (to xrandr)?
[05:21] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I decided I do actually want to try lvm rather than juggle which data folders I want on which drive. Do you know whether I can put everything in lvm, or does /boot need to be a normal partition?
[05:22] <Shirakawasuna> my plan is to just set up LVM over two drives, rsync all my files over to it, and see if it boots
[05:22] <Shirakawasuna> well, and edit fstab
[05:22] <escott> Rakko, xrandr has a different syntax. you may not need all of the modeline, usually thinks like horizontal/vertical timing is not needed
[05:22] <L3mce> Rakko: you would create it with cvt but you will need to use a modeline calculator to change the output size.
[05:22] <ftruzzi> hey, how can I get my numeric keyboard to work? (num lock keys)
[05:22] <escott> Shirakawasuna, it helps to have a /boot
[05:22] <Rakko> L3mce: I have Intel GM965 Express
[05:23] <Guest72488> numlockx
[05:23] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Got it. So I'm safe to make a /boot partition and lvm partition on one drive, then just an lvm partition on another, and make one logical volume over the two to make /
[05:23] <L3mce> Rakko: ok... well you will want to initially create the xorg.conf by exiting X, and typing Xorg -configure... this will dump a basic xorg.conf into ~/xorg.conf.new     you would modify it from there.
[05:24] <Rakko> oh, I forgot about that
[05:24] <L3mce> Rakko: however I would expore the xinit scripts
[05:24] <escott> Shirakawasuna, that should work fine. my only concern is when the volume spans two disks its hard to say where the superblocks are landing
[05:24] <L3mce> just dumping an xrandr line there
[05:25] <msccreater> i can't install skype, can someone give me a help?
[05:25] <Shirakawasuna> escott: that's in terms of the filesystem, yes?
[05:25] <Shirakawasuna> escott: How do I go about setting up what you said earlier, if that fixes it? (specifying superblocks to not span the physical drives)
[05:25] <Rakko> is there a built-in app to get the x coord of the pointer?
[05:26] <L3mce> Rakko: ok to pm? I will give you the cvt and xrandr commands, you will have to play with the modeline calculations yourself.
[05:26] <escott> Shirakawasuna, yes. if / spans two disks, and all the superblocks are on the first disk which then fails you may not be able to recover anything at all. but if a backup superblock is on the second disk that would improve recovery of files on that disk
[05:26] <Rakko> sure. thanks
[05:26] <escott> Shirakawasuna, thats dark magic tune2fs or mkfs that I dont know
[05:26] <Shirakawasuna> escott: It might not be a huge risk, since I do regular backups
[05:27] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I have 4 drives - 2 would have this LVM setup, the other 2 (identical to the first 2) would be just for backup
[05:27] <escott> Shirakawasuna, if they are backup why not run mdadm in raid1
[05:28] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I like them to be offset by a week or so, so that it's a real backup - if I screw something up, the week old version is likely to have a non-screwed-up version
[05:28] <Shirakawasuna> e.g. I delete a movie on accident, it's on the other drive(s)
[05:29] <heoyea> Rakko: xdotool getmouselocation
[05:29] <Rakko> thanks heoyea
[05:29] <fantie> tvtime is not receiving a signal from my capture card. Not sure if my capture card is installed properly. Need help.
[05:29] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Is that reasonable? I'm open to better options of course.
[05:29] <escott> Shirakawasuna, seems a bit silly. rsync with --link-dest can keep backups at minimal additional disk usage
[05:30] <escott> Shirakawasuna, blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html
[05:31] <Shirakawasuna> escott: This is a media pc, it holds mostly movies. Wouldn't an option like that explode pretty quickly as I add / remove large files?
[05:32] <msccreater> who use skype? i have a problem when i install skype, the error says depend on skype-bin  but i can't install it neither!
[05:32] <escott> Shirakawasuna, no because its all hardlinks
[05:32] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you need to understand how hardlinks work. look at that blog posting. halfway down he has diagrams
[05:33] <amu> Hi everybody!
[05:33] <escott> Shirakawasuna, your total disk usage will be size of the union of your current copy and all backups, not the sum
[05:33] <amu> I installed xfswitch-plugin and it also installed some gnome packages. It messed up my xfce. Now I'm getting "Failed to load session gnome". How can I fix this? thanks!
[05:34] <amu> I'm thinking to remove all gnome-related packages. But I don't know how. "sudo apt-get remove gnome*"?
[05:34] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Right, so doesn't that mean that if I delete a 1.5Gb file and then do said backup, the backup is now at least 1.5Gb?
[05:34] <L3mce> no amu... that shouldnt be necessary... what is the output of cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[05:35] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I think I might see what you're thinking of - I could run that script weekly, so I have a delayed copy of anything that gets changed, and delete the two-week-old backup
[05:35] <amu> L3mce, xdm
[05:35] <Shirakawasuna> I'd end up with the same situation I have now but with the advantage of RAID
[05:35] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you can do it a couple ways. The first backup has the current file as its link-dest and takes 0 disk space
[05:36] <Shirakawasuna> yes
[05:36] <escott> Shirakawasuna, then you have to decide how many backups you want to keep, and what you are doing more often (adding files or deleting them)
[05:36] <L3mce> hmmm... amu not sure... it should not be trying to load gnomeish things I would not expect...
[05:36] <amu> I have to confess, it is linux mint xfce ...
[05:36] <escott> Shirakawasuna, suppose you keep only one backup. then all you do for backup purposes is delete the old one and create a new one
[05:36] <LeeRock> I have some how lost my top menu bar in 10.04
[05:36] <escott> Shirakawasuna, it basically just delays your deletes until the next backup
[05:36] <newroad> anyone know why even though i have nvidia-current installed, I get this if I open nvidia server settings: You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[05:36] <bobweaver> you know what i did every thing they asked
[05:37] <Shirakawasuna> escott: indeed, that's a much better idea than what I'm doing now!
[05:37] <amu> L3mce, it was mdm first, then I installed lightdm, xdm
[05:37] <Shirakawasuna> I imagine there's a gui-based option for this as well, which may make it easier to manage deleting older backups
[05:38] <Shirakawasuna> is the primary advantage of RAID the redundancy for drive failure? Do I get any other perks?
[05:38] <newroad> if i run nvidia-xconfig like it asks, it claims that isn't a valid command!
[05:38] <L3mce> I am unfortunately unsure how to start troubleshooting if xdm is your default dm...
[05:38] <L3mce> amu: ^
[05:38] <escott> Shirakawasuna, if you have multiple backups then you need to list each and every backup as a --link-dest that will presumably make the backup process slower
[05:39] <escott> Shirakawasuna, deleting old backups is easy
[05:39] <amu> L3mce, thanks anyway
[05:39] <escott> Shirakawasuna, rm -rf /path/to/backup/20121005
[05:39] <bobweaver> what what what
[05:39] <Shirakawasuna> escott: indeed, but I'd rather not write the script that figures out the 'oldest' of e.g. three backups, and deletes it :)
[05:39] <amu> L3mce, you were the only guy who wanted to help so far ;)
[05:39] <Shirakawasuna> I'm sure I could do it, but I assume there's an rsync time machine gui equivalent
[05:40] <Shirakawasuna> that article links to one, cool
[05:41] <escott> Shirakawasuna, its all really easy. you have a snapshot folder with timestamped folders YYYYMMDD. you can ls | tail -n-K | xargs rm -rf and that blows away all but the last K copies
[05:42] <fantie> can someone help me install my hauppauge wintv-hvr-2250 tv turner card? i can't figure it out
[05:42] <escott> fantie, you might check the video4linux website v4l
[05:42] <newroad> anyone know why even though i have nvidia-current installed, I get this if I open nvidia server settings: You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[05:43] <newroad> if i run nvidia-xconfig like it asks, it claims that isn't a valid command!
[05:43] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Well, it'd take a few things. 1) script figures out current day, puts it in YYYYMMDD format, makes the backup dir. 2) run the rsync command w/ that dir name (easy once it's a variable), 3) the solution you just provided.
[05:44] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I know it's fairly easy...
[05:44] <escott> Shirakawasuna, in any case. go with mdadm+lvm and use rsync with link-dest. the only part im not familiar with is having multiple link-dests in a single rsync command
[05:44] <otend> okay, this is just weird
[05:44] <otend> after reconfiguring MPD for ALSA instead of Pulse again, and rebooting, I've managed to lose my theming, but have everything work properly otherwise
[05:45] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you also have to decide how you want to layer mdadm and lvm. i think you can put it either way lvm on top of mdadm or mdadm on top of lvm.
[05:45] <escott> Shirakawasuna, lvm on top of mdadm is easier to administer as you will only have 2 mdadm devices (one for each pair of disks)
[05:45] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I think the rsync command will be pretty easy since I'm syncing all of /. It'd just be something like rsync -avz --numeric-ids --link-dest=/backup/20121201 .
[05:45] <sam__> I am trying to install MATE and it says that some packages can not be athenticated
[05:46] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the other way gives you more flexibility. you can raid1+0 one logical volume and raid0 another
[05:46] <Shirakawasuna> if I underestand it right at least
[05:46] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i wouldn't do it for all of /. what exactly will you do with all those files
[05:46] <Shirakawasuna> escott: well it'd be all of / minus a few useless dirs like /tmp and /sys (and /backup of course)
[05:46] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i would focus on just the media files. if you want to do that for all of / look at something like btrfs which has snapshotting
[05:47] <sam__> hello I am trying to install MATE and it says that some packages can not be athenticated
[05:47] <Shirakawasuna> btrfs is still unstable, isn't it?
[05:47] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the problem with rsync backup of / is what is the usecase? the system doesn't boot. the rsync backup wont help there. a program is broken, well you can't just grab libraries out of /var/lib that will break dpkg
[05:48] <escott> Shirakawasuna, btrfs is still slow
[05:48] <hash> Yay my names back to normal
[05:48] <escott> Shirakawasuna, stability is in the eye of the beholder
[05:49] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i say forget backing up / (unless it is a btrfs style snapshot) and use things like etc-keeper to backup crucial stuff in /
[05:49] <escott> Shirakawasuna, no point in backup up a bunch of system libraries that only cost you a few minutes to redownload
[05:50] <escott> !mate | sam
[05:50] <hash> ok so i have a 120GB IDE drive, and no IDE slots, I was thinking of getting a pci-e to ide adapter, would I be able to install ubuntu on that ide drive and boot from it?
[05:51] <escott> hash, the adapter will cost you more than a new drive
[05:52] <hash> really I saw some online for like 15 dollars
[05:53] <Shirakawasuna> escott: Well, I will at least one to backup e.g. /home.
[05:53] <escott> hash, and a 1TB drive is <$100 which is <$10 for 120GB
[05:53] <Shirakawasuna> which includes the media files
[05:53] <escott> roughly speaking
[05:53] <escott> Shirakawasuna, yes, backup home (skipping things like the mozilla directory cause it changes all the time)
[05:53] <hash> Yeah i can see that But i dont think i have any free sata ports
[05:54] <Shirakawasuna> escott: indeed.
[05:54] <escott> hash, you can certainly do it. it should boot. but at $15 its a toilet quality card and its costing you more per GB than getting a disk upgrade
[05:55] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I'm a little confused about how I would use --link-dest to do this, in this case. What I want, effectively, is a way to store only the files that have changed in a given interval, as a backup. I won't have room for a full backup of /home...
[05:56] <hash> I see ur point escott,
[05:56] <escott> Shirakawasuna, link-dest just tells rsync to check in that folder for a similarly named file to see if a hardlink can be made to that file instead. evidently you can have multiple link-dest's and rsync will handle that. so you have a link-dest for the actual $HOME and a link-dest for each snapshot
[05:56] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[05:56] <escott> Shirakawasuna, any file that appears in the snapshot should appear in one of those
[05:56] <hash> u cant chain sata drives can u?
[05:56] <escott> Shirakawasuna, in fact you dont need the second one. every file you snapshot is in the current folder
[05:56] <escott> stupid me
[05:57] <Shirakawasuna> escott: doesn't that imply that my backup dir will always be at least the same size as the source dir?
[05:57] <escott> hash, no its not that much like SCSI
[05:57] <escott> Shirakawasuna, no each backup is free. it just defers the delete
[05:57] <amanSharma> I am unable to transfer files by pidgin on irc ? After accepting transfer it makes no progress on both sides.
[05:57] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the kernel only deletes files when there are no hardlinks to it
[05:57] <hash> i didnt think so
[05:58] <escott> Shirakawasuna, so each snapshot increments the hardlink counter, and defers the actual deletion until it is removed from all snapshots it appears in
[05:58] <escott> Shirakawasuna, backups are free (more or less), deletes don't save you space until you delete the snapshots
[05:59] <Rakko> is this about a specific rsync application, escott ?
[06:00] <escott> Rakko, no
[06:00] <Shirakawasuna> escott: So let's say I've run it once. That means there's a dir in /backup/20121201 that just contains a ton of hard links (mirroring the directory structure of e.g. /home) taking up no extra space. If I delete /home/Movie1.mkv, it disappears from /home but is still on the disk, because /backup/20121201 has a hard link to it. Then I make a new backup and delete the old one - now the kernel deletes the actual file and space is
[06:00] <Shirakawasuna>  freed up.
[06:00] <Shirakawasuna> escott: is that correct?
[06:00] <escott> Shirakawasuna, yes
[06:01] <Shirakawasuna> cool
[06:01] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the backups arent completely free. you cannot hardlink directories (except as root and its a bad idea) so there is some administrative overhead for each folder
[06:02] <Shirakawasuna> I assume that just means some extra backup time + a little bit of space
[06:02] <escott> Shirakawasuna, but unless you have oodles of directories with few files in them its small compared to what is being backed up
[06:03] <Shirakawasuna> most likely I shouldn't have anything like that, but I assume it would just slow things down and use a modest amount of space
[06:03] <escott> Shirakawasuna, a snapshotting fs like btrfs takes this same logic and embeds it into the filesystem, so then backups are instantaneous and completely free
[06:03] <escott> Shirakawasuna, its 4kb for each directory
[06:04] <zykotick9> escott: i've never tried btrfs, but i gotta say zfs on opensolaris was kinda cool - reminded me of windows "system restore" actually.
[06:04] <Shirakawasuna> that's acceptable
[06:04] <Shirakawasuna> a million dirs = 4 Gb
[06:05] <escott> zykotick9, i use btrfs on my laptop. fsync just kills the system, but otherwise its acceptable. the main frustration is applications like firefox who think they are gods messiah and fsync every ***** second
[06:06] <escott> zykotick9, really makes me want to punch a firefox dev in the face for not at least making that something that can easily be disabled
[06:06] <Shirakawasuna> I'm kind of confused about what to do the first time it's run, escott. --link-dest is supposed to point to a previous backup, but one won't exist.
[06:07] <escott> Shirakawasuna, in your case --link-dest should ALWAYS point to the current copy
[06:07] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you will NEVER have a file in your snapshot that does not come from the current copy
[06:07] <Shirakawasuna> so --link-dest=/home
[06:07] <Shirakawasuna> ?
[06:07] <zykotick9> escott: be nice.  firefox devs deserve our respect ;)
[06:07] <escott> Shirakawasuna, yes
[06:07] <escott> zykotick9, id buy the guy a beer afterwards. just want to knock a tooth out first
[06:07] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[06:07] <zykotick9> escott: ;)
[06:08] <Shirakawasuna> I can see how trying to do this with more than one dir would be troublesome
[06:08] <Shirakawasuna> I'll have to consolidate things into /home
[06:08] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you can use a --exclude-from=FILENAME to exclude directories that you dont want to backup. lots of the .* files are good candidates for that
[06:10] <Shirakawasuna> escott: sure, but I like to backup a few things... /home , /usr/local, /laptopbackup.
[06:10] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you could have one for each.
[06:10] <escott> Shirakawasuna, im out for the night. only remaining decision for you is LVM on top of MDADM or MDADM on top of LVM
[06:10] <Shirakawasuna> that would make three separate backups to run the script on
[06:11] <Shirakawasuna> any recommendations on which is better, escott?
[06:11] <Shirakawasuna> I've never used RAID
[06:12] <escott> Shirakawasuna, LVM on top of MDADM is easier to administer. you are treating each pair of disks as a single disk so you only have Disks/2 raid arrays.
[06:12] <escott> Shirakawasuna, MDADM on top of LVM lets you mix-and-match the RAID level to the LVM logical.
[06:12] <escott> Shirakawasuna, so if you create 4 LVM logicals and pin them to the 4 different disks then you can run RAID1+0 across those 4 disks
[06:13] <Shirakawasuna> hm
[06:13] <escott> Shirakawasuna, but the complexity is now you must have 4 LVM setups (so you can make sure the logicals hit the different disks) and a RAID for each partition you want to expose to the OS
[06:13] <Shirakawasuna> isn't the rule 1 filesystem per logical?
[06:13] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i've never done it that way
[06:14] <Shirakawasuna> I'm setting up LVM so that I can avoid keeping track of which files are on which filesystem
[06:14] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i think LVM on top of MDADM is probably more your speed.
[06:15] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you make sda/sdb into md0 with fixed RAID1
[06:15] <escott> Shirakawasuna, then you make sdc/sdd into md1 with fixed RAID1
[06:15] <escott> Shirakawasuna, then LVM spans across md0,md1
[06:15] <Shirakawasuna> ah, I see
[06:15] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the other way around you get md devices using LVM logicals and you need to make sure those logicals are in the correct place
[06:16] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[06:16] <Shirakawasuna> another consideration is that I don't have any way to keep my data separate
[06:17] <escott> Shirakawasuna, keep it separate?
[06:17] <Shirakawasuna> sorry
[06:17] <Shirakawasuna> I mean I can't move my files off the disks temporarily
[06:17] <Shirakawasuna> if I set up RAID first, then LVM, how would I preserve the integrity of my files?
[06:18] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you should invest in some external storage anyways. drive failures are closely correlated to environmental factors (heat/vibration) when one disk in the case goes bad the others are probably getting close
[06:18] <escott> Shirakawasuna, the RAID is your backup
[06:18] <Shirakawasuna> indeed I should invest in external storage
[06:19] <escott> Shirakawasuna, RAID1 ensures you always have *a* copy unless you get simultaneous failures
[06:19] <Shirakawasuna> Yes, I understand.
[06:19] <Shirakawasuna> but I think I still need an external HD to solve the current issue
[06:19] <Shirakawasuna> can't set up RAID, then LVM, without wiping all of the drives clean
[06:20] <Shirakawasuna> but I could set up LVM, then RAID, without wiping the drives clean
[06:20] <pbt> !topic
[06:20] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you can transition to raid1 without deleting
[06:21] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you just create degraded
[06:21] <fantie> escott, I checked out video4linux website and tried it. I get a bunch of errors like this: Permission denied
[06:21] <fantie> cp: cannot create regular file
[06:21] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I'm imagining this: I RAID1 my 2 new drives (they're identical and the same size as the old drives). Then I sync files over from my current drives. Then I RAID1 my current drives.
[06:22] <escott> fantie, without knowing what you did i cant help. and im going to bed anyways
[06:22] <Shirakawasuna> escott: But then I set up LVM and format, and all my files disappear
[06:22] <fantie> have a good night
[06:22] <Shirakawasuna> escott: also, thanks for the help and have a good night as well!
[06:22] <escott> Shirakawasuna, sure. but im saying you can take a disk that has data on it, and is mbr partitioned, and make it mdadm without touching the data
[06:22] <kernel-phorbin> how to get better sound ?
[06:23] <escott> Shirakawasuna, then add the disk to the array
[06:23] <kernel-phorbin> http://gamehendge.org/files/The_Man_Who_Stepped_Into_Yesterday.mp3
[06:23] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you assemble degraded
[06:23] <kernel-phorbin> how to get sound on that ^^^
[06:24] <kernel-phorbin> is there a eq for browser ?
[06:24] <escott> Shirakawasuna, there are some risks there. i think mdadm uses the pbr to store array guids. and if lvm also stored information in that... things would break
[06:24] <Shirakawasuna> escott: I see. So perhaps I could set up RAID1 on both drives (data intact and a copy on each RAID1 'group'), then set up LVM on just the first pair, transfer my files over. Then extend the volume group
[06:24] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i doubt it does, but you should confirm you can do this safely. i've done it multiple times with ext filesystem
[06:24] <Shirakawasuna> I'd use ext4
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> alsa-mixer does no good
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> I *WANT A EQ IN SOUND
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> *
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> I *WANT A EQ IN SOUND *
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> in the pannel
[06:25] <escott> Shirakawasuna, im saying /dev/sda2 becomes part of /dev/md0 and so mdadm puts stuff in the pbr of sda2. the filesystem on sda2 is LVM so LVM better not have anything in that pbr because MDADM needs to put its stuff there
[06:25] <kernel-phorbin> panel *
[06:26] <kernel-phorbin> not sure why not all other great distros have it just like this distro
[06:26] <escott> Shirakawasuna, i've never heard of someone converting a raw partition to an LVM partition if that is what you were suggesting
[06:26] <Shirakawasuna> escott: yes, so you're saying I should be slightly worried about lvm on top of mdadm and should double check that this is something that works. I likely can't investigate the lower-level technical details efficiently, but I can see if others have had success
[06:26] <kernel-phorbin> str distro = "any IIS "
[06:26] <kernel-phorbin> OS
[06:27] <escott> Shirakawasuna, On many occasions I have converted a raw ext to ext on mdadm RAID1 its easy-peasy
[06:27] <escott> Shirakawasuna, you need to check if you can convert raw LVM to LVM on mdadm RAID1 in the same way
[06:27] <kernel-phorbin> semms like only OS with out EQ is *nix based distros ? how to fix?
[06:27] <kernel-phorbin> seems *
[06:28] <escott> Shirakawasuna, anyways leave you with this link. goodnight and goodluck https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Convert_a_single_drive_system_to_RAID
[06:29] <Shirakawasuna> escott: thanks!
[06:29] <Shirakawasuna> ah, too late
[06:29] <kernel-phorbin> the wind from beyond the mountain
[06:30] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/system-wide-pulseaudio-equalizer.html
[06:31] <kernel-phorbin> that is pulse which is better pulse or alsa ?
[06:31] <kernel-phorbin> !better | bobweaver
[06:32] <kernel-phorbin> I mean maybe I should just use clenintine ?  maybe there is no good EQ for nux ?
[06:33] <kernel-phorbin> bottom line is this there *should* be a EQ in sound menu
[06:33] <kernel-phorbin> just like any other prop OS
[06:33] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, the package for oneiric will do:  https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/webupd8/+files/pulseaudio-equalizer_2.7.0.2-2%7Ewebupd8%7Eoneiric3_all.deb
[06:33] <zykotick9> kernel-phorbin: fyi, "which is better pulse or alsa" makes NO sense.  pulse uses alsa.  pulse is a replacement for esd.
[06:34] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, download it, installi it and see for yourself
[06:34] <zykotick9> kernel-phorbin: fyi2, there is a pulse eq out there...
[06:34] <Erin> kernel-phorbin, EQ is better done on the H/W end anyway
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> ~$ lsb_release -a
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> No LSB modules are available.
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> Description:	Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> Release:	13.04
[06:34] <kernel-phorbin> Codename:	raring
[06:34] <FloodBot1> kernel-phorbin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:34] <felixhandte> Ok, now it gets interesting. My system will boot off a 10.04 live usb, but panics on a 12.10 live usb (I haven't bisected further).
[06:35] <kernel-phorbin> stupid bot I should have pastebin that Or go to +1
[06:35] <kernel-phorbin> I suck
[06:35] <Erin> I agree
[06:35] <kostkon> :P
[06:35] <Erin> Sounds like you are doing alot of complaining but your knowledge level is low
[06:35] <kernel-phorbin> I begg it all trune for you
[06:36] <kernel-phorbin> Erin,  the wolf you might be surprised .... ..
[06:37] <Erin> What ?
[06:37] <ibaykoc_> hey i just installed ubuntu 12.04 and it seems doesnt run smoothly any help?
[06:37] <Erin> ibaykoc_, describe run smoothly ?
[06:37] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  tell us more plz
[06:37] <ibaykoc_> i mean it has some lags
[06:38] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  in waht ?
[06:38] <Erin> still not specific
[06:38] <kernel-phorbin> what ? *
[06:38] <kernel-phorbin> !details
[06:38] <ibaykoc_> in open apps
[06:38] <ibaykoc_> in pop up
[06:38] <kernel-phorbin> what kinda apps ?
[06:38] <kernel-phorbin> py ?
[06:39] <ibaykoc_> all apps
[06:39] <Erin> Oh lordy lordy
[06:40] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  can you run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p ?
[06:40] <ibaykoc_> when i minimize the apps the transition is laggy
[06:40] <kernel-phorbin> all yeses ?
[06:40] <ibaykoc_> how?
[06:40] <zykotick9> ibaykoc_: unless you run proprietary nvidia on a recent gpu, don't expect unity to run quickly.  other desktop enviroments have lower system requirements (especially graphics wise).
[06:40] <ibaykoc_> sory this is my very first time
[06:40] <kernel-phorbin> I just showed you ibaykoc_
[06:41] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[06:41] <kernel-phorbin> all yes's ?
[06:41] <kostkon> zykotick9, unity runs fine on intel gpus
[06:41] <Ozera> Could anyone help me install vcrun2010 via wintricks? It keeps failing. Here s the error: http://pastebin.com/ZHzXeVKj
[06:42] <ibaykoc_> kernel i dont understand, where i shoul put that words?
[06:42] <Erin> kostkon, I second that.
[06:42] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  in the termial .... cral+alt+t
[06:42] <Erin> runs fine on my machine with intel hd 4000
[06:43] <Ozera> I have installed msxml3 but i still cant get it to work
[06:43] <ibaykoc_> ok got it
[06:43] <Ozera> it would be much appreciated if anyone could help me.
[06:43] <kernel-phorbin> where is my lighter
[06:43] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, under the table
[06:43] <Erin> inside your bong
[06:44] <Ozera> i'm on ubuntu 12.04
[06:44] <ibaykoc_> kernel, it said all yes
[06:44] <kernel-phorbin> nither
[06:44] <kernel-phorbin> neither *
[06:44] <ibaykoc_> is there something wrong?
[06:44] <fantie> I'm trying to install by tv turner card using the instructions found here http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200 under making it work easily. When I run tv time to see if the card works I get an error: saa 7164[0]:inappropriate ioctl4 device
[06:47] <kernel-phorbin> Erin,  kernel-phorbin   I know why you've come here .. I'll help you with your quest to gain the knowledge that you lack I call upon my faithful friend the mockingbird To fly and seize the helping book and bring it to your shack And a tree of knowledge in your soul will grow And the Helping Friendly Book (deb maintainers )will plant the seed But I warn you that all knowledge seeming innocent and pure Becomes a deadly weapon in the hands
[06:47] <kernel-phorbin>  of avarice
[06:48] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, are you some kind of bot
[06:48] <kernel-phorbin> not atm
[06:48] <kernel-phorbin> I hope not
[06:48] <kostkon> 50/50?
[06:48] <Tm_T> kernel-phorbin: please stick in the channel topic
[06:48] <Erin> kernel-phorbin, acid tripping ?
[06:49] <kernel-phorbin> will do TM_T ,
[06:49] <ibaykoc_> kernel-phorbin, it said all yes
[06:49] <Tm_T> same goes to you other stoo, thanks
[06:49] <kernel-phorbin> will do Tm_T  * drup drup I am dumb
[06:50] <kernel-phorbin> sorry hard night hard last 6m
[06:50] <kernel-phorbin> Tm_T,
[06:50] <kernel-phorbin> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[06:51] <Gabisk8> hey
[06:51] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, 6 minutes?
[06:51] <ibaykoc_> how to use irc on empathy?
[06:51] <rellis> Hello. Is there any solution to joining an adhoc network under 12.04 using 80211nl driver?
[06:51] <Reed_Solomon> if my home directory is encrypted, and I mount a drive to say /home/me/somejunk, will that drive also be encrypted?  if i unmount it and remount it to /media/somejunk, will that work?
[06:51] <Erin> Can someone ban this dude ?
[06:51] <kostkon> rellis, add a new account and select irc from the list of protocols
[06:52] <kostkon> rellis, then fill the rest of the required info
[06:52] <Gabisk8> lol
[06:53] <rellis> koston: what do you mean add a new account? where?
[06:53] <kostkon> oops
[06:53] <kostkon> wrong nick :P
[06:53] <kernel-phorbin> kostkon,  sure write this WOOPS soory we WANT TO USE A GFX that is buggy instead of well know good stuff lets just hope that this next 5 yr are good
[06:53] <rellis> heh np
[06:54] <ibaykoc_> is there any apps that can  use IRC?
[06:54] <kernel-phorbin> !info lib-nux-3.0.3
[06:55] <kernel-phorbin> sory
[06:55] <kernel-phorbin> !info libnux-3.0-dev
[06:56] <kostkon> ibaykoc_, try xchat along with xchat-indicator.
[06:56] <ibaykoc_> kostkon, how?
[06:56] <kostkon> ibaykoc_, much a better option compared to empathy
[06:56] <kostkon> ibaykoc_, install it and run it
[06:57] <ibaykoc_> how? sorry this is my verry first
[06:57] <kernel-phorbin> ibaykoc_,  go crazy use phenny
[06:57] <kostkon> ibaykoc_, install these two packages, xchat and xchat-indicator using the software centre
[06:58] <kostkon> ibaykoc_, or if you want to do it quickly, in the terminal, give the following command:  sudo apt-get install xchat xchat-indicator
[06:58] <kernel-phorbin> dbus listens to both no matter what you install ?  ^^^^^^
[06:59] <kostkon> kernel-phorbin, that's an irc bot
[07:01] <iqbal> great it works thanks
[07:02] <iqbal> but still have one problem, my ubuntu still laggy, any help?
[07:02] <kostkon> iqbal, what graphics card do you have
[07:02] <pbt> !topic
[07:04] <aetcore> hey what do people use for there IRC Client? apart from IRSSI?
[07:04] <aetcore> their**
[07:04] <pbt> aetcore: weechat is nice
[07:04] <pbt> aetcore: also erc
[07:05] <robertzaccour> I FOUND A LINK WITH A PPA THAT WORKS FOR INSTALLING NETFLIX FOR THOSE THAT ARE WONDERING ABOUT THAT
[07:05] <robertzaccour> THIS IS SO AWESOME!
[07:05] <jamamp> im using xchat right now. Colloquy for osx
[07:05] <aetcore> pbt: thanks, i will look into those
[07:05] <kostkon> robertzaccour, at iheartubuntu :P
[07:06] <iqbal_> my ubuntu is laggy , any help?
[07:06] <aetcore> yeah i used limechat on mac, but now im trying to find something similar if i can
[07:06] <robertzaccour> kostkon, YEP YEP :)
[07:06] <IdleOne> !caps | robertzaccour
[07:06] <robertzaccour> IS IT BECAUSE CAPS TAKE UP MORE SPACE? I DON'T SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS
[07:08] <IdleOne> robertzaccour: it is because caps as you well know are considered to be yelling on IRC and you know better than to do this.
[07:09] <robertzaccour> IdleOne, yelling in text would include a !
[07:10] <crackerjackz> can someone help me find a working driver for my Conexant CX20549?
[07:10] <crackerjackz> on ubuntu 12.10, 32 bit
[07:11] <ibaykoc> my ubuntu is laggy, i use 1,6 ghz dual core processor, any help?
[07:11] <crackerjackz> ibaykoc: what desktop envioronment are you using?
[07:11] <robertzaccour> crackerjackz, My printer used to work with a ppa, then later worked automatically, then later didn't work in Ubuntu at all. I understand how frustrating it is when hardware gets dropped, especially when the printer is less than a couple years old :(
[07:12] <ibaykoc> crackerjackz: 12.04 LTS 32 bit
[07:13] <crackerjackz> no no i mean like are you using unity, gnome, xfce..etc?
[07:13] <worm> ibaykoc: Are you still using the default desktop environment?
[07:13] <worm> That is called Unity.
[07:13] <ibaykoc> oh i use VESA: RS780M
[07:13] <ibaykoc> worm: yes
[07:14] <worm> All right, crackerjackz, it seems like ibaykoc is using Unity.
[07:14] <ibaykoc> whats it mean?
[07:14] <crackerjackz> how much ram do you have?
[07:14] <ibaykoc> 4 gb ram
[07:15] <worm> !unity | ibaykoc
[07:15] <ibaykoc> this my very first time use ubuntu
[07:15] <crackerjackz> try xfce4
[07:16] <ibaykoc> how?
[07:16] <crackerjackz> sudo apt-get install
[07:16] <crackerjackz> run that in a terminal
[07:16] <worm> crackerjackz: Are you sure you need to let him change into a new desktop environment?
[07:16] <worm> That might be really annoying.
[07:17] <ibaykoc> i did, it said 0 at all
[07:17] <kostkon> ibaykoc, press the dash button and search for "software sources"
[07:17] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: I recommend xubuntu
[07:17] <newroad> hello, how can I find my xorg.conf file? it appears to be missing from /etc/X11
[07:17] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <ibaykoc> kostkon: nothing appear
[07:18] <crackerjackz> worm: i think xfce is more lightweight and easier to use. he said everything was slow so maybe he'll like it better
[07:18] <worm> So how about fluxbox? It is much more light weight than almost every other desktop environments.
[07:18] <crackerjackz> fluxbox is awesome but not as userfriendly
[07:18] <crackerjackz> i like e16 (enlightenment)
[07:19] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: 'dual core' could actually mean a weak or a fairly good processor. What does `cat /proc/cpuinfo` say (or if you know what processor it is, which is it?)
[07:19] <ibaykoc> how this ubuntu is laggy for me?
[07:19] <kostkon> ibaykoc, the first thing you need to do i think is to check what driver is being used for your radeon card
[07:20] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: AMD Turion(tm) Neo X2 Dual Core Processor L625 × 2
[07:20] <ibaykoc> Kostkon, so what should i do?
[07:20] <newroad> hello, how can I find my xorg.conf file? it appears to be missing from /etc/X11/ .. is it possible I have no xorg.conf file?
[07:21] <worm> ibaykoc:  Actually we are checking if your hardware meet the requirement of Unity. Please be patient.
[07:21] <ibaykoc> worm: ok thanks
[07:22] <linuxdude> Hello
[07:23] <kostkon> ibaykoc, open the software centre, select edit → software sources, then click on the last tab
[07:24] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: OK yeah, that's a very weak cpu
[07:24] <worm> newroad: Did you read the manual page of "xorg.conf"? It has been described there.
[07:24] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: has unity ever run well using that processor?
[07:24] <worm> newroad: type "man xorg.conf" to see the manual page.
[07:25] <ibaykoc> Kostkon: thers no edit button
[07:25] <vtec_> i need some help with installing java on ubuntu, anyone available to help me please?
[07:25] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: ok thanks
[07:25] <worm> !java | vtec_
[07:27] <yhusha> why is this error happening: /home/yhusha/home/yhusha/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso: No such file or directory
[07:27] <yhusha>  when this is typed: sudo mount -o loop ~/home/yhusha/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso /tmp/liveusb
[07:27] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: I'm asking if you have run unity on this computer before, and if it worked well
[07:27] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: with that cpu I definitely recommend using xfce instead, but if you *really* want unity and it's worked before, we can look at other options.
[07:28] <TakeItEZ> yhusha: either "~" or /home/username, not both. ~ expands to /home/username
[07:28] <heoyea> yhusha: try using Tab to autocomplete
[07:28] <yhusha> yes the tab feature wasn't working with the~
[07:29] <heoyea> yhusha: cuz it doesnt exist
[07:29] <yhusha> nice
[07:29] <vtec_> worm, i am unsure of which directions to follow. I just need basic java to run a .jar
[07:29] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: this is my first time using this, and not run very smoothly
[07:29] <vtec_> I see plenty options
[07:29] <yhusha> yes ~ messes up the read
[07:29] <worm> vtec_: Then you just need a JRE.
[07:30] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: makes sense
[07:30] <worm> vtec_: sudo apt-get install default-jre
[07:30] <mark_bonneaux> does anyone here know much about os4?
[07:30] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: so you should definitely use a lighter-weight desktop environment
[07:31] <kostkon> Shirakawasuna, it's powerful enough for unity. the problem is with the graphics card and its driver
[07:31] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: Xfce? ok i'll try it
[07:31] <Shirakawasuna> kostkon: It's very unlikely to be powerful enough to work efficiently with unity. The thing is almost off the scale of badness
[07:31] <vtec_> it's telling me i may want to run apt-get -f install
[07:31] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: xfce or lxde
[07:31] <vtec_> did such, now waiting for it to be done
[07:31] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: I prefer xfce myself
[07:31] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: ok thanks
[07:32] <Shirakawasuna> ibaykoc: the first step is sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop. You can revert to standard ubuntu any time (ubuntu-desktop)
[07:32] <ProfessorBacon> internet
[07:32] <Shirakawasuna> it's weaker than a pentium 4 mobile processor
[07:32] <Shirakawasuna> pentium III even
[07:33] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna: downloading
[07:33] <Shirakawasuna> cool
[07:33] <vtec_> Is there any reason I can't see my Windows partition files? trying to transfer over some files but I can't see them anywhere.
[07:33] <Gadzook8> They have lubuntu, lightweight ubuntu.
[07:33] <robertzaccour> my first pc had a pentium 4 128 MB RAM 30 GB hard drive and xp
[07:33] <robertzaccour> back in 2003 and cost over 600 I think
[07:34] <heoyea> vtec_: think u need ntfs-3g for that
[07:34] <vtec_> found in software center?
[07:34] <heoyea> vtec_: ye
[07:35] <vtec_> thankyou very much
[07:35] <subhojit777> hi I installed ubuntu 12.10 on a brand new HP 2116 2000 series laptop, and it is having graphics problems. Theres no login screen and it always says that  graphics configuration has not been detected
[07:35] <Gadzook8> Yup your right srry.
[07:35] <heoyea> vtec_: also to launch jar files, u can do java -jar /path/to/file.jar
[07:35] <ibaykoc> about ubuntu android, hows that work?
[07:36] <worm> ibaykoc: Which application are you installing? xfce is enough. xubuntu-desktop may install excess apps.
[07:36] <ibaykoc> worm: im installing xubuntu now
[07:36] <Shirakawasuna> you can clean up the excess apps later if you want
[07:36] <Shirakawasuna> I assume you still want an ubuntu-ie experience
[07:36] <worm> ibaykoc: I think that install xfce is enough...
[07:37] <heoyea> or install xfce4
[07:37] <ibaykoc> im on it
[07:37] <Shirakawasuna> meh
[07:37] <Shirakawasuna> it's just a small bit of hard drive space
[07:37] <Shirakawasuna> you can run pure xfce as well, with xubuntu-desktop installed
[07:37] <heoyea> double the apps like editors file manager ...etc
[07:37] <Shirakawasuna> and you can revert very very easily using the list of xubuntu-desktop apps
[07:38] <heoyea> since he already got ubuntu
[07:38] <ibaykoc> whats the different betwen unity and xfce?
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> xubuntu's apps are different from ubuntu's and xfce's, heoa_
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> *heoy
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> lol, I give up :)
[07:38] <ibaykoc> lol
[07:38] <kostkon> !tab | Shirakawasuna
[07:38] <worm> But some conflict on choosing to use which for something... I really hate that. Thunar or Nautilus?
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> yeah I used tab, kostkon
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> jesus
[07:38] <kostkon> :/
[07:38] <Shirakawasuna> you guys need to rely less on bots
[07:39] <worm> However to type long lines is a kind of time consuming.
[07:39] <worm> Bots are time saving.
[07:39] <ibaykoc> so, whats the different?
[07:39] <Shirakawasuna> meh. I see no downside to installing xubuntu-desktop, trying xubuntu and xfce and seeing what works best for you. It's just limiting your options to try pure xfce only, which is by default a bit less user friendly and refined
[07:40] <Shirakawasuna> $.02 over
[07:40] <kostkon> ibaykoc, now logout, and in the login screen press the ubuntu logo that's on the right side of the login box and select xfce/xubuntu from thelist of options
[07:41] <ibaykoc> kostkon, now? but im in installing xubuntu right now
[07:41] <kostkon> ibaykoc, oh still installing ok :P
[07:41] <worm> ibaykoc: If you are still fetching files, you can press Ctrl+C to terminate that.
[07:42] <ibaykoc> ok thanks, but i wont :D
[07:44] <maplesoft> how do i get all the processes related to (for example) mysql ?
[07:45] <heoyea> maplesoft: htop tree view
[07:45] <maplesoft> heoyea: how exactly for mysql?
[07:45] <maplesoft> heoyea:  isnt it something like ps aux | grep?
[07:46] <almoxarife> maplesoft: only if you want to make it difficult
[07:46] <maplesoft> almoxarife:  ok. whats the exact command for finding mysql processes
[07:47] <r2b2_nz> hi everyone - just wondering if anyone is able to help with my wifi issues (that is, the onboard wifi doesn't seem to be picked up properly)
[07:47] <almoxarife> maplesoft: you could even use a nice gui like gnome-system-monitor with the tree option, that would be a gui though, not sexy
[07:47] <ibaykoc> do i need to restart after finish downloading xubuntu?
[07:47] <maplesoft> almoxarife:  i just need the proces number. so i can kill it
[07:47] <jamamp> maplesoft, try 'ps aux | grep mysql' maybe?
[07:47] <TakeItEZ> maplesoft: pgrep mysql
[07:48] <almoxarife> maplesoft: you could even use a nice gui like gnome-system-monitor with the tree option, that would be a gui though, not sexy <-- yep, gives you process number too'
[07:48] <yhusha> when typing in terminal /home typing /h followed by tab finish out /home but this /home/y followed by tab will not provide /home/yhusha
[07:48] <TakeItEZ> maplesoft: pgrep mysql   or if you want just to kill those: pkill mysql
[07:52] <Flannel> yhusha: Do you have more than one user that starts with 'y'?  If so, pushing tab TWICE in that situation (/home/y[tab][tab]) will provide a list of things you might be wanting.
[07:53] <Flannel> yhusha: but, if this is specifically about that folder, and not just a general tab-complete question, you can use "~" to reference your home folder.
[07:54] <heoyea> maplesoft: u can use pkill mysql
[07:55] <Aisha> i'm updating using apt-get
[07:55] <Aisha> i'm getting this warning:
[07:55] <Aisha> Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
[07:55] <Aisha> is it safe to go ahead?
[07:56] <heoyea> Aisha: yea
[07:56] <TakeItEZ> no
[07:56] <TakeItEZ> Aisha: get the missing repo-keys
[07:56] <Aisha> how do i do that
[07:56] <TakeItEZ> Aisha: apt-get update should have told you what keys are missing
[07:56] <TakeItEZ> Aisha: get those, import them using apt-keys
[07:57] <heoyea> Aisha: most PPA dont got nothing
[07:57] <heoyea> Aisha: just hit yes
[07:57] <yhusha> no just /home/yhusha/
[07:57] <yhusha> yes ~ would not work either
[07:57] <yhusha> found a way around it tho so..
[07:57] <sargennto> Anybody got hulu desktop working on 12.04?
[07:57] <sargennto> I just get a segmentation fault (core dumped) error when running it
[07:57] <TakeItEZ> Aisha: heoyea installing non-signed packages is a security-risk. decide yourself if you're willing to accept that
[07:57] <heoyea> sargennto: maybe ur vid card?
[07:58] <sargennto> heoyea: I've had it running under older versions of ubuntu and arch as well..
[07:58] <heoyea> TakeItEZ: he probally installed many PPAs, undating is just from UBuntu itself so is ok
[07:58] <TakeItEZ> heoyea: its never ok
[07:59] <Aisha> TakeItEZ apt didn't say anything about which keys are missing though i'm using the default ubuntu repos for zimbabwe
[08:00] <heoyea> TakeItEZ: try install PPAs then all the same message
[08:01] <TakeItEZ> heoyea: i know where the warning comes from, it is still not advised just to "press y"
[08:01] <heoyea> TakeItEZ: not advised and reality are 2 different things
[08:01] <TakeItEZ> heoyea: if you don't care about the packages you install, your business, but please don't give that advise as a general tip
[08:03] <Bothos> anyone know if it's possible to install java on 64 bit ubuntu 12.04?
[08:05] <heoyea> TakeItEZ: lols sure ill let u help him then
[08:07] <Aisha> i tried 'apt-key net-update' and nothing
[08:08] <Aisha> all 214 packages that need to be updated are not signed
[08:09] <kostkon> Aisha, just try an apt-get update. it happens some times and usually an apt-get update fixes it
[08:09] <kostkon> Aisha, sudo apt-get update
[08:10] <Aisha> i'll try it, thanks
[08:12] <Aisha> kostkon, nice one thanks, it worked
[08:12] <kostkon> Aisha, nice
[08:18] <Rask> Hi all.  Figured I'd try asking this here because it might be more about ubuntu than dovecot.  Dovecot is complaining of a permissions problem, the message in syslog is claiming that it does not have permissions to change to a directory to which it definitely does have permissions; I've verified this by suing to the user in question and changing to the directory.  Is there something somewhere
[08:18] <Rask> I need to flush when I've added users to groups?
[08:18] <ibaykoc> Shirakawasuna, i have installed xubuntu
[08:22] <dr_willis> Rask: when you change the groups i belive that user has to log out then back in..  no idea how dovecot works. ;-)
[08:22] <dr_willis> so suing would see thechange. but not any older logins
[08:22] <Rask> dr_willis:  Well, I restarted the service.  (service dovecot restart)  That should make it pick up things anew, shouldn't it?
[08:23] <dr_willis> i would think so. but ive no idea what dovecot does.
[08:25] <Rask> dr_willis:  No, nor do I... though its syslog message is very explicit:  Error: chdir(/mnt/private/store/mail/rask/dovecot/) failed: Permission denied (euid=1001(sikapost) egid=1002(sikapost) missing +x perm: /mnt/private, we're not in group 1001(mntprivate), dir owned by 0:1001 mode=0770)
[08:26] <TakeItEZ> Rask: ls -ld /mnt/private/store/mail/rask/dovecot/
[08:26] <Rask> TakeItEZ:  drwxrwxr-x 2 sikapost sikapost 4096 Dec  2 00:12 /mnt/private/store/mail/rask/dovecot/
[08:26] <dr_willis> looks lije you ned to chmod +x  some dirs.
[08:27] <lwicks1> Hi All, I have an odd networking problem. Lenovo B970 laptop, fresh install of 12.10. Networking seems to stop working after a minute or two of inactivity. Websites cease loading, ping fails. Networking in system settings looks ok. Turning network off and on again seems to resolve temporarily. This is for a wired connection with static IP. Any ideas, google has not helped as yet.
[08:27] <TakeItEZ> Rask: ls -ld /mnt/private
[08:27] <Rask> TakeItEZ: drwxrwx--- 3 root mntprivate 4096 Nov 24 21:34 /mnt/private/
[08:28] <TakeItEZ> Rask: and you added user sikapost to group mntprivate now?
[08:28] <Rask> I did.  From /etc/group:  mntprivate:x:1001:rask330,sikapost
[08:29] <TakeItEZ> Rask: still the same error?
[08:29] <Rask> Yeah.
[08:29] <yhusha> in a live enviroment chroot... on ubuntu12.04 it will not let apt-get remove --purge get rid of libreoffice
[08:30] <TakeItEZ> Rask: and "sikapost" logged in again after being added?
[08:31] <Rask> Logged in interactively?  No.  The user has no shell or home directory.
[08:31] <Rask> It exists only to be the user with access to maildirs for dovecot.
[08:31] <Rask> Is there some sort of flush that happens when a user logs in interactively?
[08:33] <TakeItEZ> Rask: a user with login has to relogin to let changes in groups take effect, shouldn't matter in your case
[08:33] <Rask> Hm.
[08:34] <d3pT1> 这么多人- -
[08:34] <Rask> TakeItEZ: Is it possible the stale environment is coming from somewhere else?  Like, does the user who restarts the service matter?
[08:34] <TakeItEZ> Rask: i doubt that.
[08:35] <robertzaccour> I had a surprise a few days ago that there's actually network and wireless cards that aren't supported by Linux yet haha
[08:35] <robertzaccour> had to return a new laptop because of it
[08:35] <robertzaccour> but realized I didn't need that much power and bought a much cheaper one anyway
[08:36] <Rask> TakeItEZ:  No, looks like not, I just opened a new shell and restarted the service from there to no avail...
[08:36] <dr_willis> better to get last years clearance utems ;-)
[08:36] <Bollsaq> got a new Gateway for $328
[08:36] <d3pT1> - -有么有能看懂我说话的？
[08:37] <auronandace> !cn | d3pT1
[08:38] <Guest62104> Hello, I'm having troubles installing ubuntu on my machine. I can't get to the disk partitioning stage. I click next after the "connect to a wireless network" step but the installer just hangs
[08:40] <nanomad> any suggestions?
[08:40] <heoyea> nanomad: try ethernet 1st
[08:40] <Rask> TakeItEZ:  Any other steps I could possibly take to diagnose that you can think of?
[08:40] <nanomad> heoyea: I do not have any wireless connection set-up on this machine
[08:41] <nanomad> (on that machine, sorry)
[08:41] <nanomad> it hangs here (from the installer debug log)
[08:41] <nanomad> debconf (developer): <-- METAGET partman-auto/text/replace description
[08:41] <nanomad> debconf (developer): --> 1 Guided - use entire partition, SCSI1 (0,0,0), partition #6 (sda)
[08:42] <TakeItEZ> Rask: sorry, no
[08:42] <nanomad> but it actually never shows the partition options to me
[08:42] <Rask> TakeItEZ:  Okay.  :(  Thanks for sanity checking me, at least.
[08:43] <heoyea> nanomad: manual partition?
[08:43] <nanomad> ?
[08:43] <heoyea> nanomad: which option did u use
[08:43] <yellowdog> Hello everyone!
[08:43] <nanomad> heoyea: I didn't see the "select what partitioning method to use" screen
[08:44] <heoyea> nanomad: what step were u at?
[08:44] <yhusha> is it safe too completely remove compiz
[08:44] <auronandace> yhusha: if you are using unity no
[08:44] <heoyea> yhusha: if u dont use unity then yes
[08:45] <nanomad> heoyea: Welcome -> continue -> Preparing -> continue (no options checked) -> hangs
[08:45] <nanomad> so the one before the partitioning
[08:45] <heoyea> nanomad: i guess retry it again
[08:45] <nanomad> ...
[08:45] <nanomad> I tried three times already
[08:45] <nanomad> (i even rebooted between tries)
[08:45] <heoyea> nanomad: u got an old computer?
[08:46] <nanomad> It's a 2Ghz centrino with 1Gb or RAM
[08:46] <heoyea> nanomad: else u can do a command line install
[08:46] <heoyea> nanomad: probally want to use some smaller distro then
[08:47] <nanomad> why?
[08:47] <nanomad> the livecd runs just fine
[08:48] <heoyea> nanomad:  those specs a lighter distro makes it quicker
[08:48] <nanomad> well, the point is not that it's slow, is that the installer hangs
[08:48] <Notimik> hi anyone more than me that dont get virtual consoles/tty to work in 12.10?
[08:48] <heoyea> nanomad: then u can do a command line install if the GUI install failes
[08:48] <nanomad> yeah, I'm gonna try that next
[08:48] <nanomad> thanks for the help anyway
[08:49] <heoyea> Notimik: tty should work
[08:50] <Notimik> heoyea: oki, not for me ctrl-alt f1 just get a black screen with a blinking cursor
[08:50] <heoyea> Notimik: try tty2 then
[08:50] <Notimik> heoa_: none of them work
[08:51] <Notimik> heoyea:  none of them work
[08:52] <Rask> TakeItEZ:  Looks like rebooting didn't do it either.  Blagh, this is not sense-make.
[08:52] <Notimik> kind of tourble some not to have them anymore
[08:52] <yhusha> after # dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | less  what brings back the command screen
[08:53] <Rask> Oh well... guess I'll go bother the dovecot folks about it, though it seems they're all asnooze.
[08:53] <auronandace> yhusha: q
[08:53] <TakeItEZ> Rask: just for a test, could you chmod o+rx all the directories ...private/store/mail/rask/dovecot
[09:00] <cloudgeek> I am taking ssh of my friend system using his IP, but it fails plz tell , how can take access , when try it give me msg ssh: connect to host 171.112.10.179 port 22: Connection timed out
[09:00] <cloudgeek> help me plz
[09:00] <heoyea> Notimik: maybe restart getty
[09:01] <Notimik> heoyea: oki restart my computer regularly so.. but may worth trying
[09:04] <heoyea> cloudgeek: probally need to open ports from ur router or his router
[09:06] <Catbuntu> or the server is down
[09:17] <d3pT1> 中文频道砸进？
[09:17] <alexguest> hello
[09:17] <d3pT1> hello
[09:17] <alexguest> d3pT1: how can I increase fonts menu size ?
[09:17] <alexguest> d3pT1: can you help me ?
[09:17] <d3pT1> yes
[09:18] <alexguest> d3pT1: thanks
[09:20] <d3pT1> Administrator I want to go to a Chinese channel
[09:20] <TakeItEZ> !cn | d3pT1
[09:21] <alexguest> d3pT1: ?
[09:21] <d3pT1> thinks- -
[09:22] <d3pT1> .join #ubuntu-cn
[09:27] <simplew> when i run 'sudo init 3' nothing happens, can anyone clarify?
[09:28] <Walex2> simplew: yes.
[09:28] <TakeItEZ> !runlevel | simplew
[09:28] <simplew> so how do i go to init level 3?
[09:28] <alexguest> I need remapping touchpad buttons the right does the same than the left please help
[09:28] <TakeItEZ> simplew: you cannot, there is no such runlevel. what do you want, stop X? sudo service lightdm stop
[09:29] <simplew> hummm
[09:34] <Guest49526> bot
[09:34] <Guest49526> quit
[09:35] <Guest49526> bye
[09:51] <Skibicki> i have a boot question
[09:54] <elise001> Skibicki: What is your boot question?
[09:56] <guest-EdHK0K> hi, i can't switch my keyboard to hebrew. can you assist? could not find anything that helps in the control panel
[09:57] <guest-EdHK0K> anyone?
[09:57] <blackshirt> hallo
[09:58] <elise001> guest-EdHK0K: I will have to research that.
[09:58] <guest-EdHK0K> elisa87, it's not a joke
[09:59] <blackshirt> what the problems ?
[09:59] <elise001> Download Hebrew language support. You can do this from the Install/Remove Languages section of "Language Support".
[09:59] <elise001> System Settings -> Keyboard Layout -> "+" -> "Hebrew" -> Add
[09:59] <elise001> System Settings -> Keyboard Layout -> Options -> Keys to Change Layout -> mark [alt]+[shift] (this step is optional, only if you want that custom keyboard shortcut)
[09:59] <elise001> An icon like this should appear in the upper-right after step two:
[09:59] <FloodBot1> elise001: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:01] <deepm> hello, where can I find the text files that describe my crashes ?
[10:02] <blackshirt> your log
[10:02] <guest-EdHK0K> elisa001, thank you
[10:02] <deepm> in /var/log/ ?
[10:04] <yhusha> so reading this tutorial only succeeded at messing up the computer infact it required a fresh install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[10:05] <yhusha> it seems like its missing some stuff like how to put this whole image back together
[10:06] <yhusha> if anybody has time to take a look
[10:25] <jim1982> привет народ ! Проблема возникла Ubuntu 12.04 + Принтер LBP 6000 все устанавливается а принтер в итоге не печатает кто знает как можно недуг побороть ?
[10:27] <ania> jim try in english
[10:28] <bekks> !ru | jim1982
[10:29] <yhusha> ~/live/usb$ sudo mkisofs -r -V "ubuntu-live-custom" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -cache-inodes -J -i -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /root/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386cust.iso
[10:29] <yhusha>  part of this is not supported anymore according to terminal whats the replacement command
[10:32] <jim1982> ok ania thanks !Please some body help with setup a printer in Ubuntu 12.04. Printer is Canon LBP 6000 not work but correct install in system. Log error ..some Cant send data on printer. on windows OS this printer work correct.
[10:33] <ania> jim you know you can go and ask your mates in russian language ....just type /join ubuntu-ru
[10:33] <ania> after error write in terminal dmesg and copy massage error here
[10:34] <man63> ciao !list
[10:34] <man63> !list
[10:34] <bekks> man63: Why do you suspect this channel to be a file sharing channel?
[10:35] <yhusha> what replaced the -i command in terminal
[10:36] <yhusha> chroot
[10:36] <bekks> yhusha: What exactly are you trying?
[10:36] <yhusha> customizing a live usb
[10:36] <bekks> yhusha: Then why do you need chroot?
[10:36] <ania> yhusha, try command with -help option
[10:37] <ania> and check if -i is still there
[10:37] <yhusha> o nver mind already finished the chroot session
[10:38] <yhusha> what did the -i do in this code ~/live/usb$ sudo mkisofs -r -V "ubuntu-live-custom" -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -cache-inodes -J -i -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /root/ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386cust.iso
[10:41] <matanc> What's the IRC channel I need to go to for installation support, or can you guys help me?
[10:41] <k1l_> !ask | matanc
[10:43] <ania> matanc, what is question
[10:44] <www2> hi all
[10:44] <sayqon> hi
[10:44] <Mongolski> matanc plis tell us!
[10:45] <JohnWHSmith> Hello.
[10:46] <matanc> I've tried installing Ubuntu on a new laptop. After installation it keeps crashing when I boot up Ubuntu
[10:46] <matanc> I've tried reformatting the partition and reinstalling ubuntu twice, it keeps doing it. I have done this a week ago on my other laptop and it works fine. I have no idea why it won't work with this one.
[10:48] <cheesecakes> hello can i ask a gnome 3.0 question here?
[10:48] <plusEV> matanc: are you encrypting your home folder? Beacause I had that problem to. When I installed without encrypting it worked.
[10:49] <theadmin> cheesecakes: Yes, since that's the desktop Ubuntu uses. But please note that #gnome is definetly a better place.
[10:49] <ania> ok but be persisly ....what is causing crash......what appears on screen?...in another word what computer says when crash
[10:50] <cheesecakes> i have multiple entries in the applications list
[10:50] <bekks> matanc: Define "crashing" please - what exactly happens?
[10:50] <cheesecakes> for the same app
[10:50] <cheesecakes> how do i correct this
[10:50] <matanc> I don't think I'm encrypting it since I have no idea how to do that. I'm just running the installer normally, except that I choose the manual option so that I can partition the drive like I want to
[10:51] <theadmin> matanc: There's a "Encrypt home directory" option on the user setup screen
[10:51] <matanc> After booting up Ubuntu it doesn't take me to the normal Ubuntu GUI (gnome or w/e it's called) and brings me to a prompt like window.
[10:52] <cheesecakes> i thought unity was the default gui in ubuntu 12.04?
[10:52] <matanc> Sorry I meant unity
[10:52] <matanc> My bad :p
[10:52] <Mongolski> how old is your laptop ?
[10:53] <theadmin> cheesecakes: Well, Unity is built on top of GNOME and is a mere replacement for gnome-shell
[10:53] <cheesecakes> are you theadmin from blinkensheel?
[10:54] <cheesecakes> *blinkenshell
[10:54] <theadmin> cheesecakes: I am indeed
[10:54] <cheesecakes> ok cool
[10:54] <ktwohig9> Matanc have you tried typing startx at the prompt?
[10:54] <cheesecakes> one of the icons is low def and looks real bad , the second one is proper
[10:55] <matanc> No I haven't. I've just started using Linux so I barely know what any of these things mean
[10:55] <bekks> matanc: Did you use "Ubuntu server" for your installation?
[10:55] <matanc> No. I installed the 12.10 from the site and put the image on the DOK like instructed there
[10:55] <ktwohig9> ok, when you boot up the laptop and you get to the prompt thing, just type the word startx and then hit enter for me
[10:56] <gustav___> I have windows and ubuntu on my computer. If I upgrade ubuntu to 12.10, will windows disappear?
[10:56] <matanc> I'll try reinstalling it now with your guys help so I can better tell you what exactly is wrong.
[10:56] <ktwohig9> matanc, no do not reinstall. boot it up and type startx at the prompt then hit enter please
[10:56] <bekks> matanc: Thats not necessary. You could just tell us what you mean by "put the image on the DOK like instructed there".
[10:57] <Mongolski> gustav___ nope
[10:57] <gustav___> ok, thanks!
[10:57] <bekks> gustav___: Which Ubuntu version do you have?
[10:57] <gustav___> ubuntu 12.4
[10:58] <bekks> gustav___: There is no 12.4 - do you mean 12.04 ?
[10:58] <gustav___> yes
[10:58] <bekks> gustav___: I'd stick with 12.04 then, since it is a LTS version.
[11:00] <matanc> bekks: I mean that I install it from a USB drive
[11:00] <matanc> Rather than a CD
[11:00] <gustav___> but i must test the new version!
[11:01] <bekks> matanc: Who forces you to do so, with a loaded gun pointing at you?
[11:01] <matanc> ktwohig9: I can't, the laptop has been reformatted since a few times in the last couple of days. I'll try telling you what error I get now after reinstalling again
[11:02] <matanc> bekks, how else would I install? I don't want to use the windows installer
[11:02] <ktwohig9> ok
[11:02] <bekks> matanc: You can use a CD.
[11:03] <bekks> matanc: So when booting your installation, do you see the login screen?
[11:03] <matanc> Ya, the installation works fine. I can't use a CD because the laptop doesn't have a disc drive
[11:03] <bekks> matanc: So when booting your installation, do you see the login screen?
[11:03] <matanc> What do you mean by login screen
[11:04] <bekks> matanc: After installing, and rebooting, and Ubuntu starting, do you see a lagon screen, where you can put your username and password?
[11:05] <matanc> No I don't. Okay, so I've reinstalled and this is what happened
[11:05] <matanc> It won't bring me to the screen that lets me choose between booting Win8 and Ubuntu
[11:05] <b_head>  hello, anyone know how to install netflix desktop on ubuntu 12.10? i installed using terminal but when i click to open it, it wouldnt open. please help needed
[11:05] <bekks> matanc: Where did you install grub to, when being asked?
[11:05] <matanc> It just brings me to Windows 8. So I manually force it to boot to Ubuntu with a win8 cmd command
[11:06] <bekks> With WHICH win8 command...?
[11:06] <matanc> I think I installed it to the default one that was highlighted when I started the installation
[11:06] <matanc> The cmd was "shutdown /r /o"
[11:06] <bekks> Thats the same as "reboot me now".
[11:06] <b_head>  hello, anyone know how to install netflix desktop on ubuntu 12.10? i installed using terminal but when i click to open it, it wouldnt open. please help needed
[11:07] <bekks> matanc: It has basically no effect on booting Ubuntu.
[11:07] <matanc> It let me choose if I want to boot from USB, CD etc, and it had the "ubuntu" option there. I chose it
[11:07] <bekks> matanc: And then...?
[11:07] <bekks> matanc: Did you get a login scren after...?
[11:07] <matanc> I'll get myself back to that screen, one moment
[11:08] <matanc> I get
[11:08] <matanc> "Error unknown filesystem. Grub rescue"
[11:08] <matanc> It's a command prompt like window
[11:08] <bekks> That the grub shell.
[11:09] <bekks> matanc: You told us, you partitioned manually, during the installation - i sthat correct?
[11:10] <matanc> Yes, I choose the "other" option in the installation
[11:11] <bekks> matanc: And which partitions/filesystems did you create?
[11:11] <b_head>  hello, anyone know how to install netflix desktop on ubuntu 12.10? i installed using terminal but when i click to open it, it wouldnt open. please help needed
[11:11] <vitimiti> (·_·)/
[11:12] <k1l_> b_head: there was a post about how to install on omgubuntu
[11:13] <matanc> My bad, I didn't do the manual one on this laptop. I choose the "dualboot with win8" option
[11:13] <matanc> So it did it automatically. I manually did it on this laptop I'm using now. Sorry for the confusion
[11:13] <b_head> Kil: where do i get that?
[11:13] <b_head> i saw a post about it also and installed but its not opening
[11:14] <bekks> matanc: And where did you install grub to? sda or sda1?
[11:14] <matanc> I don't think it asks that when I install it with that option. It just starts installing
[11:15] <k1l_> b_head: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/how-to-use-netflix-on-ubuntu
[11:17] <mihael> anyone here
[11:17] <bekks> Why?
[11:18] <mihael> from croatia
[11:18] <bekks> !hr | mihael
[11:19] <mihael> i'm on peppermint three, but thanks (bekks)
[11:19] <bekks> matanc: Thats not supported then, at all, in Ubuntu-related channels.
[11:20] <bekks> matanc: That was somthing for mihael, not for you.
[11:20] <bekks> mihael: Thats not supported then, at all, in Ubuntu-related channels.
[11:20] <mihael> thank you
[11:20] <mihael> good bye
[11:20] <matanc> So bekks, should I try to install it manually and choose the grub installation location manually?
[11:21] <bekks> matanc: No.
[11:21] <matanc> So what should I do?
[11:21] <b_head> KIL: i have saw that post before and i followed all the steps there but when i tried opening the app, it wont open
[11:22] <bekks> matanc: Try fixing you grub installation.
[11:22] <bekks> !grub2 | matanc
[11:22] <Mrokii> Hello. Is there a way to tell Archive Manager to always close automatically after extracting an archive?
[11:24] <k1l_> b_head: im not using netflix. but you should lookout for errormessages
[11:26] <matanc> okay, I'll try fixing it. Thanks
[11:29] <bfzs> hello
[11:30] <b_head>  hello, anyone know how to install netflix desktop on ubuntu 12.10? i installed using terminal but when i click to open it, it wouldnt open. please help needed
[11:30] <MonkeyDust> netflix on ubuntu?
[11:30] <Shirakawasuna> netflix doesn't have a native client, b_head
[11:30] <OpenSorce> b_head, yes it does. Gimme a sec I'll get you the link
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> netflix needs some MS thingy, that isnt supported in linux
[11:31] <OpenSorce> Shirakawasuna, it uses Firefox under Wine and works great
[11:32] <Shirakawasuna> right that's not native
[11:32] <OpenSorce> Shirakawasuna, as if that matters? It's an app, let's get it working for him, k?
[11:32] <k1l_> well, i just posted a blogpost from omgubuntu which shows it is running on ubuntu.
[11:33] <OpenSorce> b_head, have you done everything here: http://www.iheartubuntu.com/2012/11/ppa-for-netflix-desktop-app.html
[11:33] <Shirakawasuna> it does matter, because it means the results will vary widely, and it's unsupported
[11:33] <Shirakawasuna> b_head should google and find a guide for getting it set up
[11:33] <hans> hallo i just try
[11:35] <OpenSorce> Shirakawasuna, actually they don't vary much. It pretty much works across the board. b_head, did you check that link?
[11:40] <matanc> So when I install Ubuntu manually, how do I choose where to install the boot loader?
[11:40] <matanc> The default one is /dev/sda
[11:42] <bekks> matanc: Thats not repairing grub, but reinstalling ubuntu.
[11:43] <gregor_> Hello, I want my ubuntu 12.04 server to automatically shutdown if there is no ssh activity
[11:44] <matanc> I know. I'd like to see if this changes first. I don't have enough time to read about reparing grub atm and this can't wait until the weekend. If this won't work I'll just leave it and repair then.
[11:44] <gregor_> Maybe someone could help me?
[11:44] <bekks> matanc: Well, taking some time to get in touch with the documentation in case of problems is a very basic step in Linux.
[11:47] <rudivs> where do I find the sessions dropdown?
[11:49] <rudivs> or more specifically, how do I change my window manager?
[11:50] <bekks> rudivs: Do you have another window manager installed, already?
[11:51] <rudivs> bekks, I'm finding unity to be very buggy and crashes a lot, so I'd like to try unity-2d, which I've installed, but not sure how to activate it
[11:51] <UnfoBOT> Log out
[11:52] <UnfoBOT> And when logging in click on the small ubuntu logo
[11:52] <UnfoBOT> And select Unity 2D
[11:52] <UnfoBOT> (on the login screen)
[11:52] <ineedhelpwithrai> hi everyone. i set up a RAID with the intel configuration utility during POST and included a space in the name of the array which is messing up the installation of Ubuntu. how do i go about renaming the array?
[11:53] <rudivs> UnfoBOT, I'll give it a try, but I couldn't see a small ubuntu logo when I tried just now
[11:53] <rudivs> UnfoBOT, where on the screen is it?
[11:53] <bekks> ineedhelpwithrai: Should be described in the manual of your raid controller.
[11:53] <UnfoBOT> Let's see
[11:53] <UnfoBOT> On the login screen there must be a little button next to your username or password
[11:54] <UnfoBOT> You click and you see a dropdown menu with all the DEs installed, and you choice which you want
[11:54] <rudivs> UnfoBOT, ah, I see on http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/08/ubuntu-login-screen-updates-with-minor-visual-tweaks-in-12-10
[11:54] <UnfoBOT> Even if there's only one DE installed you must see it
[11:55] <UnfoBOT> But on 12.10 there isn't Unity 2D afaik
[11:55] <UnfoBOT> Neither on the repos
[11:55] <rudivs> there was a unity-2d package, but it was very small, so maybe a meta package
[11:56] <bekks> rudivs: Which Ubuntu do you have?
[11:56] <rudivs> bekks, 12.10
[11:57] <Shirakawasuna> unity-2d was removed from 12.10, rudivs
[11:57] <rudivs> I really like unity, but it's nearly unusable on my system... is it unstable for everyone or is it just how it interacts with my system?
[11:57] <UnfoBOT> It is a bit
[11:57] <OpenSorce> rudivs, yeah sadly
[11:57] <Shirakawasuna> it varies, rudivs
[11:58] <UnfoBOT> I have a poor graphics card, 2core 2ghz processor and 3GB RAM
[11:58] <UnfoBOT> And 12.04 runs well with nvidia driver
[11:58] <UnfoBOT> though 12.10 was very buggy when it was released, dunno now
[11:59] <rudivs> I had the odd issue with 12.04, but12.10 is crazy unstable so far
[11:59] <OpenSorce> I run a plasma desktop with cairo-dock. 12.04 and the proprietary nvidia drivers from nvidia's website. Works way better and faster than Unity.
[11:59] <rudivs> I'm a few updates behind,  so maybe that's where I should start, but I'll need to have a safe backup option... maybe install metacity thne
[12:00] <bekks> OpenSorce: Thats comparing apples and bananas, in fact, on a unsupportable system :)
[12:00] <Catbuntu> Kubuntu 12.10 is awesome
[12:00] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: a safe backup option for after you run some updates?
[12:00] <Catbuntu> Xubuntu 12.10 is beautiful and fasty
[12:00] <YatharthROCK> Umm.. hello. This is my first time on IRC.
[12:01] <OpenSorce> bekks, mine is unsupportable?
[12:01] <Catbuntu> !hi | YatharthROCK
[12:01] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: since unity-2d is out, you're basically stuck trying other DEs if you want a backup. XFCE, LXDE, GNOME, or KDE are the most common
[12:01] <Catbuntu> ow
[12:01] <rudivs> Shirakawasuna, yes... I'm pretty sure the updates won't have made my system totally stable yet
[12:02] <PoolShark_> I'm having an issue with bonding... I bonded two NICs together to facilitate faster copying of about 7TB of data from one machine to another via NFS. When the copy started, everything was going fine - about 80% utilization on each, and ~160MB/s copy rate... then suddenly, it dropped to almost exactly 50% on each card, and 100MB/s copy... trying to figure out why and not really succeeding
[12:02] <Guest11796> how to install minimal ubuntu  iso on via usb ?
[12:02] <bekks> OpenSorce: Yes, because you nvidia driver install will break with every kernel update.
[12:02] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: xfce is pretty lightweight, if you want a backup
[12:02] <Catbuntu> and linux-headers-generic?
[12:02]  * PoolShark_ loves XFCE
[12:02] <Catbuntu> also there are the x-swat ppa drivers
[12:03] <Catbuntu> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[12:03] <rudivs> Shirakawasuna, yes, maybe I'll give xfce a try
[12:04] <Shirakawasuna> depends on what you mean by 'break', bekks. To the end-user there's usually no breakage
[12:04] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: I use it as my primary DE. It's been much better since 4.8
[12:04] <bekks> Shirakawasuna: To the end user, there is usually always a breakage when trying to boot their new kernel.
[12:04] <Guest11796> how to install minimal ubuntu  iso on via usb ?
[12:05] <rudivs> Shirakawasuna, just apt-get install xfce, or are there other packages I'll need too?
[12:05] <Shirakawasuna> bekks: if they're using the default upgrade path the new kernel is already compatible with the nvidia module that's installed, which gets re-linked
[12:05] <mindstorm_> i got a question about installing ubuntu on an igel thin client is there any way witch i can install grub on a cf card
[12:05] <bekks> Shirakawasuna: "if" is the magic keyword here :)
[12:06] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: if it's just a backup you don't need more than apt-get install xfce4
[12:06] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: if you want to switch to a full *ubuntu version of xfce, then you want xubuntu-desktop, which installs a set of default apps and themes
[12:07] <kaktuc[qw]> help me please
[12:08] <kaktuc[qw]> i have one problem: i would like install Linux Mint 13, i am have Linux Mint from CD-dick but if i join from my BIOS and select Boot from cd my laptop reboot but if i see black monitor
[12:08] <rudivs> Shirakawasuna, yes, I see it picks up a few dependencies along the way, so I think I'll keep it as the backup option, unless I get totally frustrated with unity
[12:08] <alon> hi what's the rsyslog configuration line to catch everything to a single file?
[12:08] <Shirakawasuna> bekks: hopefully most newbs won't be building their own :)
[12:09] <gordonjcp> mindstorm_: same way you'd install grub on any other drive
[12:09] <Shirakawasuna> rudivs: cool
[12:09] <rudivs> thanks all. off to play with a new wm...
[12:09] <petsounds> kaktuc[qw]: how's that Ubuntu problem? :p
[12:09] <mindstorm_> hm it doset work on the igel thin client
[12:10] <Catbuntu> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[12:11] <Catbuntu> :P
[12:12] <kaktuc[qw]> help me please install linux mint
[12:12] <gordonjcp> !mint | kaktuc[qw]
[12:12] <theadmin> kaktuc[qw]: This isn't the place for that.
[12:13] <crimsonmane> kaktuc[qw]: in your chat box there type "/server irc.spotchat.org" and press enter, then type "/join #linuxmint-help"
[12:13] <theadmin> kaktuc[qw]: Or just clicky: irc://irc.spotchat.org/linuxmint-help
[12:14] <kaktuc[qw]> hmm
[12:14] <kaktuc[qw]> nothing
[12:15] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: Then you have to join that server manually.
[12:15] <kaktuc[qw]> but i am here
[12:15] <kaktuc[qw]> i am writen but i am here
[12:15] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: it might mean that your CD is corrupt, or that you aren't waiting long enough.
[12:16] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: If you want people here to jump to help you, maybe you should install ubuntu instead of linux mint ;)
[12:16] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: But you have no Ubuntu. So no one will help you.
[12:16] <crimsonmane> kaktuc[qw]: in your chat box there type "/server irc.spotchat.org" and press enter, then type "/join #linuxmint-help"
[12:16] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: In here. This is Ubuntu support ONLY.
[12:16] <kaktuc[qw]> [14:14:58] * You may not reregister
[12:16] <kaktuc[qw]> okey
[12:17] <YatharthROCK> !bot
[12:17] <kaktuc[qw]> i have any question
[12:17] <kaktuc[qw]> i have laptop acer eMachines g725
[12:17] <YatharthROCK> !bot help
[12:17] <kaktuc[qw]> and i would like install Linux and use linux
[12:17] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: You dont have Ubuntu, bur Linux Mint. So please join THEIR channel then.
[12:17] <bekks> *but
[12:17] <gordonjcp> YatharthROCK: /query the bot if you want to play with it
[12:18] <YatharthROCK> !whatever
[12:18] <crimsonmane> kaktuc[qw]: in your chat box there type "/server irc.spotchat.org" and press enter, then type "/join #linuxmint-help"
[12:19] <gordonjcp> kaktuc[qw]: either that, or install Ubuntu
[12:19] <kaktuc[qw]> i am join from you chnnel
[12:19] <kaktuc[qw]> channel* sorry
[12:19] <Catbuntu> !irc | YatharthROCK
[12:20] <YatharthROCK> !irc
[12:20] <YatharthROCK> !faq
[12:20] <YatharthROCK> !join
[12:20] <YatharthROCK> !commands
[12:21] <gordonjcp> !bot > YatharthROCK
[12:21] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: Like I said, your disc may be corrupt
[12:22] <Pinkiwinky> Hello everyone
[12:22] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: linux mint is based on ubuntu, but it isn't the same as ubuntu. We can't support it because sometimes, it acts differently. Your problem, however, doesn't sound like something that's about linux mint vs. ubuntu vs. anything else.
[12:22] <kaktuc[qw]> advise me please good system for my laptop
[12:22] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: You should try reburning that CD with more conservative settings, and with a program that can verify the integrity of the burn
[12:23] <Catbuntu> Supybot rules lol
[12:23] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: you should also make sure the ISO that you burned it accurate - use md5sum and compare it to what the linux mint site says
[12:23] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: it also wouldn't hurt to try burning an ubuntu disc, just to see ;)
[12:23] <gordonjcp> kaktuc[qw]: ubuntu
[12:23] <Bustacap> o.O
[12:23] <bekks> Shirakawasuna: He is not using Ubuntu.
[12:24] <gordonjcp> kaktuc[qw]: mint is just ubuntu with no support and the reanimated corpse of Gnome 2 clumsily bodged onto it
[12:24] <Shirakawasuna> yes I know
[12:24] <Catbuntu> !md5 | kaktuc[qw]
[12:24] <Bustacap> What drivers should I use to get my 2nd monitor to work right with nvidia? I tried nvidia-current and nvidia-current-updates and they both won't let me change the resolution.
[12:24] <Pinkiwinky> I'm going crazy trying to make Bitdefender work for Ubuntu 12.04, once I install it, everything it's ok, but when I hit the download button, after a few seconds downloading updates, the AV dissapear, then, when I open again the program, I cannot update, because an update is already running
[12:24] <kaktuc[qw]> okey i am write ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 from disk and i see black monitor
[12:24] <Shirakawasuna> heh
[12:24] <kaktuc[qw]> loading is join but i no this see
[12:24] <Shirakawasuna> ?
[12:25] <gordonjcp> Pinkiwinky: are you using this on a mailserver or something?
[12:25] <YatharthROCK> !patience
[12:25] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: we already pointed you towards the likely answer...
[12:26] <kaktuc[qw]> may be you repeet
[12:26] <kaktuc[qw]> ?
[12:26] <TandyUK> [12:24:05] <ubottu> kaktuc[qw]: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[12:26] <kaktuc[qw]> ohhh
[12:27] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: your disc may be corrupt. Another option is that your ISO is corrupt
[12:27] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: another possibility is a hardware incompatibility with its particular kernel, in which case you should try a different disc - maybe ubuntu
[12:27] <Catbuntu> Try burning on a usb
[12:27] <TandyUK> i have to point out htough guys, i had the same problem the other day
[12:27] <Catbuntu> !usb | kaktuc[qw]
[12:28] <voxcroix> 12.10 64bit stable??? or 32bit better??
[12:28] <gordonjcp> voxcroix: you may as well use 64-bit if your system supports it
[12:28] <bekks> voxcroix: As long as you have 64bit hardware, use 64bit.
[12:28] <Catbuntu> 32 bit if you don't know if your CPU is compatible with 64 bit
[12:28] <TandyUK> im a pc engineer with 15 years experience, burn cds al lthe time, download the 12.04 x64 iso from your site, md5summed it, burn to disc, try to boot disc in one particular machine it just wont boot from the disc
[12:28] <Catbuntu> !bits
[12:28] <TandyUK> other machines are fine, and that machine booteda mythbuntu live cd no problem
[12:28] <voxcroix> thx
[12:28] <Catbuntu> lol
[12:28] <Catbuntu> !32 bit
[12:29] <voxcroix> thx a lot my system 64 bit
[12:29] <kaktuc[qw]> but i didn't only install linux mint and didn't install ubuntu, kubuntu
[12:29] <sk1pper> hi all, i am using 12.04 64bit, after doing some changes with ubuntu-tweak, the right click on the desktop is not working, any ideas?
[12:29] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: so DID you install Ubuntu?
[12:30] <kaktuc[qw]> NO
[12:30] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: it might be a hardware incompatibility, then
[12:30] <Bustacap> Which is the best nvidia driver?
[12:30] <TandyUK> so why are you in #ubuntu then lol
[12:30] <kaktuc[qw]> know i am use "Spark" from linux
[12:30] <Shirakawasuna> kaktuc[qw]: or your files are all corrupted / discs are all bad
[12:30] <layke_> I'm confused, I've got 4+ load. But if I run top, I see CPU is 0 on everything. But I do have Cpu(s):  0.2%us,  0.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 50.6%id, 49.1%wa
[12:30] <layke_> What does this mean?
[12:31] <TandyUK> iowait, suggests your cpu is being used waiting for device IO
[12:31] <Catbuntu> !nvidia | Bustacap
[12:31] <Bustacap> I don't need a how to...
[12:31] <Bustacap> I'm asking which one is the best atm.
[12:31] <Catbuntu> Nvidia-cuerent-updates is usually the best haha
[12:31] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: Then please join the support channel of the distribution you are using.
[12:31] <Catbuntu> There's also the x-swat PPA with the last drivers
[12:32] <bekks> layke_: That your system is 49.1% waiting for something.
[12:32] <Catbuntu> nvidia-current is the driver version when your version was released
[12:32] <layke_> bekks, Is there anything that I can do to find out what process that might be?
[12:32] <Catbuntu> nvidia-current-updates also, but it updates sometimes
[12:32] <kaktuc[qw]> well and egg хотел себе установить ubuntu or kubuntu last version such is impossible
[12:32] <Bustacap> Catbuntu, the x-swat is the one with the package called "nvidia-graphics-drivers" right?
[12:32] <Catbuntu> and nvidia-current from x-swat is always the last ppa
[12:33] <iceroot> universe-repo is handled by ubuntu-sponsors? or who is responsable for packages from that repo?
[12:33] <TandyUK> layke_: iotop
[12:33] <kaktuc[qw]> well and egg would like install ubuntu or kubuntu last version such is impossible
[12:33] <bekks> kaktuc[qw]: Please finally stop it.
[12:33] <Catbuntu> You have to add the x-swat pps
[12:33] <Catbuntu> *ppa
[12:33] <Bustacap> I know, I have it.
[12:33] <Catbuntu> And it's called nvidia-current also
[12:33] <Bustacap> Oh hmm.
[12:34] <Catbuntu> Then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[12:34] <TandyUK> kaktuc[qw]: its very possible and very easy, download and burn the iso, put it in your machiine, boot from it and follow the instructions.
[12:34] <Bustacap> Yup.
[12:34] <Bustacap> K. I'll try it now.
[12:34] <Catbuntu> and the nvidia config if you wanr
[12:34] <Bustacap> I can't get my tv to display right :/
[12:34] <bhavesh> I am running Ubuntu 12.10, and I have GNOME 3.5.0.19-Generic, I want to upgrade it to 3.6 but my software updater says that my system is up to date
[12:34] <Catbuntu> I did it on 12.04 and I have the lastest driver
[12:34] <layke_> TandyUK, Thanks. :) Found the proiblem. /usr/bin/mandb: can't write to /var/cache/man/470: No space left on device
[12:34] <TandyUK> Bustacap: what country and sort of tv?
[12:34] <Bustacap> Hopefully this xswat one works this time.
[12:34] <TandyUK> lol theres ya problem layke_ :P
[12:34] <Catbuntu> There's also a legacy driver for old cards
[12:34] <TandyUK> i wouldnt advise a reboot right now tbh
[12:35] <Catbuntu> 170 I think
[12:35] <Bustacap> Nah, I got a newer card.
[12:35] <Bustacap> GTS 450
[12:35] <Catbuntu> great then
[12:35] <layke_> TandyUK, rm -rf /var/logs/nginx  Load dropped to 0 instantly :P
[12:35] <Bustacap> Just nvidia settings in ubuntu isn't giving me the same options as Mint just was before I installed ubuntu.
[12:36] <Catbuntu> Meh
[12:36] <layke_> I need to properly add in log rotations and delete old stuff..
[12:36] <Catbuntu> For me Quantal was better with nouveau
[12:36] <Bustacap> I keep forgetting the fix for my tv in ubuntu :P
[12:36] <Catbuntu> Also remember to install linux-headers-generic
[12:36] <Catbuntu> It's a "won't fix" bug
[12:36] <Bustacap> Already did that ;)
[12:36] <Shirakawasuna> could be either nvidia driver version differences or xorg.conf-level settings, Bustacap
[12:37] <varikonniemi> whats a wont fix bug :DD
[12:37] <Catbuntu> Kubuntu is also better with nouveau wtf
[12:37] <Shirakawasuna> you probably want nvidia-experimental, Bustacap (if it's a newer card and you're having troubles)
[12:37] <PInkiwinky> Hello, sorry, I had a problem with my ubuntu and I had to reboot, as I said, I'm going crazy trying to install bitdefender on Ubuntu 12.04, when I click on the install button, starts to update but then crashes and I cannot update anymore because "there is another update running"
[12:37] <Catbuntu> A bug that won't be fixed
[12:37] <Catbuntu> Also
[12:37] <Catbuntu> My geforce 9300M GS worked better with experimental on Quantal
[12:38] <Catbuntu> I downgraded to Precise because of driver crap
[12:38] <Bustacap> I'm gonna try a reboot now after the xswat current was installed.
[12:38] <Bustacap> BRB
[12:40] <b_head> thanks guys for the support for netflix desktop. its up and running now
[12:41] <b_head>  Anyone know any good free vpn for ubuntu 12.10?
[12:42] <filip_> hey everybody
[12:42] <bekks> b_head: "openvpn".
[12:42] <b_head> Becks: how many GB per day?
[12:42] <filip_> a quick question regarding the full disk encryption in ubuntu 12 - can I use a passphrase during installation and then switch to storing the key in TPM?
[12:42] <LucidLuna> @b_head are you looking for the free software or a free service for anonymity?
[12:43] <bekks> b_head: No limit. It is some some software you set up on your server and on your clients.
[12:43] <b_head> @Lucidluna which one is better? free software or free service for anonymity?
[12:44] <bekks> b_head: There is no better in "software".
[12:44] <invariant> Since when did it become Twitter here?
[12:44] <filip_> invariant: I guess "adapt or die" ;)
[12:44] <theadmin> invariant: Since people new to IRC started entering this channel. 2008 or earlier.
[12:45] <invariant> filip_, I think I will just add them to my ignore list. If they cannot be bothered to look how the rest of the world behaves, they cannot possibly tell me something of interest.
[12:45] <patr|ck> haha
[12:46] <filip_> invariant: I don't think that the possibilities are that boolean'y
[12:46] <ejo> you cannot tell an invariant to adapt or die
[12:46] <filip_> ejo: :D
[12:46] <theadmin> !ot | patr|ck, filip_, ejo, invariant
[12:46] <anon_> I want to install mysql on my system but I am not sure which package to install. Just mysql-server or mysql-server-core oder mysql-server-5.5
[12:46] <MonkeyDust> twitter is irrelevant, you will be assimilated
[12:47] <patr|ck> theadmin, a simple "haha" is off-topic here? you surely live in the basement
[12:47] <theadmin> anon_: mysql-server is probably just a virtual package pointing to mysql-server-5.5, and the -core is probably, uh, not the full server. So, the first one.
[12:47] <theadmin> patr|ck: I was just refering to this whole Twitter discussion going on.
[12:48] <filip_> so, anybody using LUKS full disk encryption set up by the installer?
[12:48] <Myrtti> filip_: to a some degree of success, why?
[12:48] <theadmin> filip_: I don't think the installer offers full disk encryption... I've seen a "encrypt home directory" option, though, is that new in 12.10?
[12:48] <bekks> theadmin: No.
[12:48] <patr|ck> i failed using it, because it wanted SWAP to be encrypted during install
[12:49] <patr|ck> the alternative install btw
[12:49] <filip_> well I want to install using a passphrase and then switch to TPM key storage
[12:49] <filip_> I wonder whether this is possible?
[12:50] <Xotix> Hi, do you know a good article about "publishing" web projects?
[12:50] <Xotix> about security
[12:50] <ikonia> how is that "#ubuntu" ?
[12:50] <anon_> theadmin, thx
[12:51] <Myrtti> filip_: I have no personal experience but I don't see why it wouldn't be
[12:52] <patr|ck> now that i mention it i have an idea. if you take out the swap partion from the partitioning setup and then create the encrypted volumes it could work
[12:52] <Bustacap> All good now.
[12:53] <Myrtti> patr|ck: swap being encrypted is normal procedure, are you sure that that is the reason why yours failed?
[12:53] <Bustacap> Now I just need to remember that the xswat nvidia is the one that works :P
[12:53] <patr|ck> Myrtti, the message from the installer said that, yes
[12:53] <Catbuntu> !swap
[12:53] <b_head> i need a free vpn that i can connect with the obuntu 12.10 like security kiss. does anyone know anyone that works well? or a vpn software that works with ubuntu 12.10? thanks
[12:53] <Lynzabbel> ola guys
[12:53] <voxcroix> ola
[12:53] <bekks> b_head: Then create your own VPN, on your server and your clients. Thats what openvpn does.
[12:53] <nicholas__> ola
[12:53] <Lynzabbel> i've just installed ubuntu from the live cd iso
[12:54] <yeats> !vpn | bekks
[12:54] <yeats> bekks: sorry
[12:54] <yeats> !vpn | b_head
[12:54] <Lynzabbel> the setup is done, but i cannot seem to find the shell?
[12:54] <Lynzabbel> how do i find the shell window?
[12:54] <b_head> @becks. how do i create my own vpn?
[12:55] <ikonia> read the linnk
[12:55] <ikonia> pretty good starting point
[12:55] <yeats> Lynzabbel: click on the ubuntu symbol in the launcher panel and type 'terminal' - then click it
[12:55] <ejo> Lynzabbel: ctrl-alt-T brings up a terminal window in Unity...
[12:55] <yeats> or that
[12:55] <Lynzabbel> thanks guys!
[12:55] <Lynzabbel> =)
[12:55] <Bustacap> Now it's time to lay down and watch movies until I fall asleep since my tv is working :P
[12:55] <Bustacap> Night all :)
[12:56] <patr|ck> maybe the problem is that the swap partition existed before the install in an non-encrypted state
[12:56] <Catbuntu> Question: While using VBox on fullscreen, sometimes the HUD appeared. Why?
[12:56] <patr|ck> i need to try it again
[12:56] <bekks> Catbuntu: Because not every key combination is processed by vbox.
[12:56] <Catbuntu> With Unity on Precise, virtualizing XP
[12:56] <Catbuntu> And isn't there any way to avoid it!
[12:57] <Catbuntu> -!+?
[12:57] <bekks> Catbuntu: No.
[12:57] <Catbuntu> Oh
[12:57] <Catbuntu> Then I'll have to use Gnome Shell if I want to virtualize lol
[12:58] <bekks> Catbuntu: Why? Just ignore the HUD or close it again.
[12:59] <gordonjcp> or unmap its key
[12:59] <yhusha> theres not alot out there on making a system boot to ram
[13:00] <gordonjcp> yhusha: what, so it runs from a ramdisk?
[13:00] <gordonjcp> yes, there is...
[13:00] <b_head> i need a free vpn that i can connect with the obuntu 12.10 like security kiss. does anyone know anyone that works well? or a vpn software that works with ubuntu 12.10? thanks
[13:00] <SolarisBoy> theres some stuff out there
[13:01] <yhusha> no not a ram disk but to op more like dsl or puppy etc with persistant storage on hdd/sdd
[13:01] <SolarisBoy> tinycore
[13:01] <yhusha> more than likely hdd
[13:01] <yhusha> thats of the etc
[13:02] <Xotix> I'm having a win7 host and ubuntu guest on virtualbox. I tried to set up samba which actually seemed to work. Then i wanted to change the hostname os I did sudo vim /etc/hostname and changed it there. DUe to a tutorial it should work like that but it didn't. I rechanged it to the old name and it works, but now i see a pc in my network called (NONE). Why's that?
[13:02] <Lynzabbel> hey guys, is there a reason why my add-apt-repository keeps on taking a long time at Ign http://security.ubuntu.com quantal-security/universe Translation-en_US?
[13:03] <ikonia> Xotix: netbios name
[13:03] <b_head>  i need a free vpn that i can connect with the obuntu 12.10 like security kiss. does anyone know anyone that works well? or a vpn software that works with ubuntu 12.10? thanks
[13:03] <Lynzabbel> it just stays at 100%[Waiting for headers]
[13:03] <yhusha> theres a tutorial @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM but theres been a few issues with it  and no real comments area its like nobody has tested it
[13:03] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: poor performance ?
[13:03] <SolarisBoy> Lynzabbel: openvpn?
[13:03] <Shirakawasuna> Lynzabbel: might want to switch the server locale that you're using
[13:03] <Lynzabbel> ikonia: but my internet seems fine
[13:04] <SolarisBoy> my bad @ b_head openvpn?
[13:04] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: didn't say your inetnet
[13:04] <Lynzabbel> ikonia: then?
[13:04] <yhusha> the tutorial doesn't even go ointo putting the iso back together it justs reboot and enjoy
[13:04] <Lynzabbel> sorry for these weird questions... i confess im an avid windows user trying to make a switch
[13:04] <ikonia> that mirror/host could be having poor performance, your machine maybe performing badly resolving that host, your machine may not be completing the transaction quickly
[13:05] <b_head> @solarisboy. i tried installing openvpn. after installation, i clicked on the icon on the desktop but it wont open\
[13:05] <Lynzabbel> so how do i switch mirrors then?
[13:05] <b_head>  @solarisboy. i tried installing openvpn. after installation, i clicked on the icon on the desktop but it wont open\
[13:05] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: why would you switch mirrors for no reason ?
[13:05] <SolarisBoy> b_head: it requires configuration
[13:05] <Lynzabbel> my machine is doing fine
[13:05] <ikonia> b_head: did you read the link ubotu gave you
[13:06] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: how do you know ?
[13:06] <b_head>  @ solarisboy. how do i configure it?
[13:06] <yeats> !openvpn | b_head
[13:06] <ikonia> b_head: did you read the link ubotu gave you
[13:06] <Lynzabbel> well im using internet as normal
[13:06] <Lynzabbel> im on irc
[13:06] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: that's not what I said
[13:06] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: please try to focus on the details I'm saying
[13:06] <SolarisBoy> it depends on what you want but you need to tell it atleast what keys/cert to use etc
[13:06] <Lynzabbel> ikonia: so it seems that my connection to the host is problematic
[13:06] <Xotix> ikonia how come that it apperas now and didn't in the past? I think it appered when i tried to name my server like the samba. Can i get rid of it? I'm not very good at networking stuff. Thanks
[13:06] <SolarisBoy> or if your connecting to an existing vpn server you should have the key or whatever the auth is
[13:07] <ikonia> Xotix: depends on what you changed, the netbios name is normally the same as the hostname in samba
[13:07] <SolarisBoy> best to read the doc link the bot posted
[13:07] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: it could be anyone of the things I've suggested
[13:07] <Shirakawasuna> Lynzabbel: software sources in software center
[13:07] <ikonia> I'd advise not changing the sources
[13:08] <ikonia> that mirror is a load balanced mirror
[13:08] <ikonia> so changing the sources is not a good idea
[13:08] <ikonia> (unless you have a genuine reason)
[13:08] <Lynzabbel> ikonia: so im stucked then?
[13:08] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: , no, check the things I said
[13:08] <b_head>  @ikonia. i have read the link ubuto gave me and i have installed the app but it wont open
[13:08] <Xotix> ikonia i have my server plus this (NONE) thing which appeared when i did vim /etc/hostname
[13:09] <Lynzabbel> ikonia: i have no clue, i'm surfing as per normal, my internet is ok, only my connection to the mirror is not working
[13:09] <cjae> http://lifehacker.com/5912480/how-to-invert-your-browsers-colors-for-easier-reading-at-night
[13:09] <ikonia> cjae: why are you posting that /
[13:09] <ikonia> Lynzabbel: ok, so work through the possible problems I've suggested and discount them
[13:09] <yeats> b_head: you've read all of this?: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html
[13:09] <cjae> cause its wicked
[13:09] <ikonia> cjae: it's random and no-one asked for it
[13:10] <Nik05> hello guys
[13:10] <worm> Is it possible to power off the computer without becoming root using the command line?
[13:10] <ikonia> worm: depends on the permissions of the shutdown command
[13:10] <cjae> thats fine
[13:10] <jrib> worm: can you do it in the gui?
[13:10] <Nik05> Im updating to packages with aptitude. And AppArmor is one of them.
[13:11] <Nik05> to = euh... some packages
[13:11] <worm> jrib: Definitely yes. By clicking on the Power off button.
[13:11] <Nik05> and first the install hung at Starting AppArmor profiles
[13:11] <jrib> worm: you should be able to use dbus then
[13:11] <Nik05> took some time and then it continued
[13:11] <worm> jrib: But how?
[13:11] <Nik05> Now it says "Setting up apparmor-profiles (2.7.102-0ubuntu3.5) ..." And its been here for a while...
[13:11] <cjae> ikonia: it took me awhile to find out how to do it without messing up google bars and such so I thought I would share it
[13:11] <yeats> !enter | Nik05
[13:12] <Nik05> ok :)
[13:12] <jrib> worm: I don't know offhand.  I would either read the source code for that button in the gui or search the web for "dbus shutdown linux" and see what comes up
[13:12] <ikonia> cjae: the odds of you hitting someone who wants it at that moment in time are slim, best to write a blog post on it so google spiders it so people googling for it will find it easy
[13:12] <ikonia> rather than hit a very small number of people active in a channe
[13:13] <Nik05> So does someone know what to do when aptitude is hanging at "Setting up apparmor-profiles (2.7.102-0ubuntu3.5) ..." for like an hour?
[13:13] <ikonia> channel
[13:13] <worm> jrib: OK. I'll search for that. I have never realized that dbus can be used to power off the computer.
[13:13] <cjae> ikonia: thanks for added attention to it lol :-)
[13:13] <jrib> worm: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/29637/how-do-i-shut-down-a-system-through-a-consolekit-dbus-message-as-user seems like a relevant discussion.  I'd read a few more links though and then compare my findings.
[13:14] <jrib> worm: this is some sort of wiki: http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/Howto_shutdown_a_Linux_computer_via_command-line  let me see if I can find anything on the official wiki
[13:15] <worm> jrib: Thanks a lot!
[13:17] <jrib> worm: oh, you could use dbus-monitor, have it write to a file, then shutdown your computer through a gui, restart and see what's in the file :)
[13:17] <jrib> worm: anyway, let me know if you can't get it to work
[13:17] <worm> I'll try it. Actually I ask for that is because I am using fluxbox, which have no "Poweroff "button.
[13:19] <jrib> www2: here are some people solving that same problem (though they are different distros so there may be some differences): http://bbs.archbang.org/viewtopic.php?id=979 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=54206
[13:20] <15SAAL9NG> 都是说英语的吗？
[13:20] <Nik05> thats not latin...
[13:20] <15SAAL9NG> 亚历山大
[13:21] <gordonjcp> !en | 15SAAL9NG
[13:21] <15SAAL9NG> thankyou
[13:21] <worm> jrib: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit" /org/freedesktop/ConsoleKit/Manager org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager.Stop this works, thanks.
[13:21] <jrib> worm: cool
[13:22] <worm> So finally I have added it to my .fluxbox/menu. and it works really well. Thanks a lot, jrib.
[13:23] <15SAAL9NG> it's seems like have no chinese channel
[13:23] <yeats> !cn
[13:25] <worm> However there is actually full of "off-topic" chatting in #ubuntu-cn. If you know english, this channel is much better.
[13:25] <Nik05> So guys is it safe to cancel a postinst in aptitude? :P
[13:25] <Kiranvotio> Hello anyone please help me
[13:25] <Kiranvotio> Asap
[13:25] <worm> !help | Kiranvotio
[13:26] <yeats> Nik05: there will be some cleanup involved, meaning that your system may not be left in a usable state, but sometimes it's necessary
[13:27] <Kiranvotio> worm : I installed gnome desktop environment on my ubuntu studio but i dont like it and it showing so many crash reports when i logged on to ubuntu studio session so how to remove the gnome desktoip environment even the dependencies like evovlution and etcetc
[13:28] <Nik05> yeats can i cancel one postinst and let the others still run?
[13:29] <andrea> ciao a tutti
[13:29] <Kiranvotio> How to remove the Gnome Desktop environment in Ubuntu studio 12.10
[13:29] <Guest19502> ciao
[13:29] <yeats> Nik05: I would advise just Ctrl-C-ing out of it (but only if you've decided it's not going to finish on it's own
[13:30] <Nik05> well its here for like an hour and still not finishing
[13:30] <Guest19502> i find people italian!
[13:30] <yeats> !it | Guest19502
[13:30] <worm> andrea and Guest19502 Are you talking in Italian?
[13:30] <Nik05> looks like a windows update...
[13:31] <Kiranvotio> Anyone help me please
[13:31] <Guest19502> @ubottu FOTTITI!
[13:31] <gordonjcp> !help | Kiranvotio
[13:32] <_Trullo> in desktop I'm clicking on Sound, and I get a window saying waiting for sound system to respond.. any idea why this is happening, all my sound is gone all of a sudden
[13:32] <yeats> Nik05: you might see if /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/syslog show anything about what's not working?
[13:32] <gordonjcp> Kiranvotio: don't pm people without asking, it's rude
[13:33] <Nik05> yeats this is the last line "2012-12-02 12:28:34 status half-configured apparmor-profiles 2.7.102-0ubuntu3.5" Its now 13:33:25
[13:33] <Kiranvotio> I am using Ubuntu studio 12.10
[13:33] <Nik05> so thats almost 2 hours :P
[13:33] <Lynzabbel> can someone tell me why its taking me a long time to complete my apt-get update?
[13:34] <Lynzabbel> is there a way to manually change the mirror im getting it from?
[13:34] <Nik05> Lynzabbel depends on multiple things, speed of system, internet speed, speed of mirror
[13:34] <Lynzabbel> my system, the internet speed seems ok
[13:34] <Lynzabbel> im surfing as normal
[13:34] <Xotix> I'm running ubuntu in virtualbox. When i do e.g. "ls" the output is colored. blue for dir's etc. how can i change that?
[13:34] <Lynzabbel> my system is not lagging
[13:34] <Lynzabbel> and my internet connection is quite fast
[13:35] <Nik05> and what is a long time?
[13:35] <Lynzabbel> that leaves the mirror
[13:35] <Lynzabbel> more than 30 minutes
[13:35] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: check if it's aliased
[13:35] <Kiranvotio> I am using Ubuntu studio 12.10 I installed Gnome Desktop environment and whenever i logon to to ubuntu studio session it shows so many crash reports ( all are gnome dependents ) so i wish to remove the gnome now but in synaptic selecting gnoome will not allow me to uninstall the other gnome dependencies
[13:36] <bpietro> Kiranvotio: see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1936267
[13:36] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: type 'alias |grep ls'
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> Kiranvotio  tip: there's also #ubuntustudio
[13:36] <yeats> Lynzabbel: what is the last message you're getting in apt-get?
[13:36] <yeats> Lynzabbel: use a pastebin if multiline
[13:37] <Xotix> SolarisBoy thanks
[13:37] <Kiranvotio> bpietro : How to remove the whole gnome environ even its dependencies
[13:37] <yeats> Nik05: I would probably cancel out of it and note any error messages you see
[13:37] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: yw
[13:38] <Lynzabbel> yeats: Ign http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com quantal-updates InRelease 100% [Waiting for headers]
[13:38] <Nik05> ok thanks yeats
[13:38] <hangdeadman> I am rinning ubuntu 12.04 on a dell inspiron 1545, can anyone help me to get pcsx2 playstation 2 emulator running?
[13:39] <yeats> Lynzabbel: yep - that mirror is down: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://sg.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:39] <yhusha> is there an ubuntu chat group type thing
[13:39] <bpietro> Kiranvotio: duno preciseli, not using Studio, but general rule - install another graph env, switch to it and then disinstall original graph env (ask google for how find dependencies)
[13:39] <Lynzabbel> yeats: so how do i change the mirror manually?
[13:39] <yeats> !ot | yhusha
[13:39] <Nik05> yeats i press Ctrl-c but nothing is happening... :P
[13:40] <Nik05> im connected to the system with ssh
[13:40] <yeats> Lynzabbel: you'd need to edit (with sudo) /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:40] <hangdeadman> I am rinning ubuntu 12.04 on a dell inspiron 1545, can anyone help me to get pcsx2 playstation 2 emulator running?
[13:40] <Xotix> SolarisBoy where do i find the file where it is defined so i can change it?
[13:40] <sam_> I am trying to download MATE and when I try I get it it says some packages need to be athentecated
[13:40] <soomon> hello. i had a mdadm raid5 with performance of about350mb/s read&write. with luks on top i get ~310mb/s write (thats ok) but only 260mb/s read? any idea why? filesystem is ext4. i benchmark with:dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/raid/testfile.out bs=1M count=40000 and:  dd if=/media/raid/testfile.out of=/dev/null bs=1M . do i need any special options when creating the filesystem?
[13:40] <yeats> Nik05: check 'top' to see if something's hanging up the system?
[13:40] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: it will most likely be in your shells dot file
[13:41] <rymate1234> hangdeadman, what's the error when you try it
[13:41] <yeats> sam_: are you on Linux Mint?
[13:41] <Nik05> yeats aa-status has 10-20% cpu usage
[13:42] <hangdeadman> rymate1234 when I run an iso file i am only given a blank screen
[13:42] <sam__> no ubuntu
[13:42] <HelloWorld321> !java HelloWorld321
[13:42] <datruth> Has anyone ever had a usb 3.0 just quit working in a laptop? using 12.10?
[13:42] <sam__> 12.04
[13:42] <rymate1234> huh
[13:42] <rymate1234> does the emulator give you any errors?
[13:42] <hangdeadman> a blank window, excuse me
[13:42] <yeats> Nik05: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/man8/aa-status.8.html
[13:42] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: eg check .bashrc or such
[13:42] <hangdeadman> no errors read out, no
[13:43] <rymate1234> hmm
[13:43] <hangdeadman> i wonder if i have the wrong plugins?
[13:43] <yeats> sam__: did you add a custom repo to install MATE?
[13:43] <Nik05> so apparmor is hanging yeats ?
[13:43] <yeats> Nik05: yeah - looks like it
[13:44] <Nik05> can i kill aa-status?
[13:44] <datruth> damnit!
[13:44] <Xotix> SolarisBoy doing it atm. But thanks
[13:44] <yeats> Nik05: I would try and see if apparmor logs anywhere first, just to see if you can identify what's hanging it up
[13:44] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: sure
[13:44] <Lynzabbel> yeats: is there any other mirrors i can add?
[13:45] <yeats> Lynzabbel: big list: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:45] <Nik05> yeats /var/log/apparmor is empty
[13:45] <Lynzabbel> yeats: thanks
[13:45] <sam__> yeats, I went to the site and copy pasted to the terminal what the website said was for 12.04
[13:47] <yeats> sam__: you need to add the repo's key
[13:47] <yhusha> was the initrd.gz simply replace with initrd.lz in newer ubuntu
[13:48] <yeats> Nik05: hmm - you can kill it, but expect a mess ;-)
[13:48] <Nik05> oh nice
[13:48] <Nik05> yeats what kind of mess...? :S
[13:48] <hangdeadman> I am rinning ubuntu 12.04 on a dell inspiron 1545, can anyone help me to get pcsx2 playstation 2 emulator running?
[13:48] <yeats> Nik05: are you backed up?  *could* you reinstall if necessary? (that kind of mess, maybe)
[13:48] <Nik05> oh fuck
[13:49] <Nik05> serious....?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:49] <sam__> yeats: explain to me I have only been on ubuntu for a few months
[13:49] <Tm_T> Nik05: language, please /:
[13:49] <Nik05> im talking english Tm ;)
[13:50] <yeats> Nik05: it may be fine, but you should be prepared in any case (though you should always be IMHO)
[13:50] <Tm_T> !language > Nik05
[13:50] <Nik05> yeah i know yeats :P
[13:50] <yeats> sam__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SecureApt
[13:51] <D|nA> kouragio nikola lol
[13:52] <yeats> Nik05: you could try running aa-status from the command line?
[13:53] <Nik05> yeats just run `sudo aa-status'?
[13:53] <yeats> Nik05: see that manpage link I shared earlier for usage, but yeah - looks like
[13:53] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze. The same card freezes another laptop running 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[13:54]  * yeats has never had this particular problem so is learning along with you
[13:54] <Boatman> Hello guys, having a problem on my Ubuntu 12.04, days ago I installed Gnome 3 on it, but today, when I was using it, all the enviroment did frozen, except of the mouse cursor
[13:54] <Nik05> yeats `aa-status --verbose` give "apparmor module is loaded."
[13:54] <Nik05> oh and then it hangs
[13:55] <Boatman> Now, when I restart Ubuntu, I get to the desktop but nothings work, so I have to get back to Unity if I want to do something
[13:55] <yeats> Nik05: let it try and work - there may be some information it provides
[13:55] <Nik05> yeats for how long?
[13:55] <Xorifelse> Pff, I'm having a lot of difficulty getting unity back to work. Can anyone help me a bit?
[13:56] <yeats> Nik05: it's a judgment call
[13:56] <sam__> yeats: so what do I do with this imformation
[13:58] <YatharthROCK> !bot
[13:58] <yeats> sam__: whatever repo you added, if it's legit, will have a signing key... if the tutorial you followed did not provide that information, you will need to track it down
[13:59] <yeats> Nik05: what is the machine doing?  i.e., Is it a server hosting something for someone else?
[13:59] <Nik05> yes
[13:59] <sam__> ok goodbye
[13:59] <sam__> I have to go to church
[14:00] <Nik05> yeats old system ubuntu 8.04 was on it in the beginning. Now precise is on it
[14:00] <yeats> Nik05: ok - so this is an upgrade?
[14:00] <Boatman> Anyone can help me? Having a problem on my Ubuntu 12.04, days ago I installed Gnome 3 on it, but today, when I was using it, all the enviroment did frozen, except of the mouse cursor. When I restarted, I loged and went to the desktop, but have the same frozen enviroment (again, except of the mouse cursor). I change the enviroment to unity and then it worked, but I want to continue using Gnome 3, what should I do?
[14:01] <Nik05> yeats this was just a small upgrade of some packages
[14:01] <yeats> Nik05: ah - ok.
[14:01] <yeats> Nik05: what I was getting to was, can this server suffer some downtime?  do you have access to the physical server or just remote?
[14:02] <Nik05> i have physical access monday, not in the weekend. And downtime isnt prefered
[14:03] <rt2500pci> I run 12.04 and have an Edimax PCMCIA Wireless card which works OK on a laptop running  Debian Squeeze BUT  freezes 12.04 a few seconds after inserting it. Can anyone help me?
[14:04] <Nik05> and yeats the `aa-status --verbose` is still at "apparmor module is loaded."
[14:04] <yeats> Nik05: ok, so reinstallation would be something you'd need to schedule/plan then.  Is the server running okay as far as your users are concerned?
[14:04] <yeats> Nik05: (not that reinstalling is necessarily the solution, btw)
[14:04] <Nik05> apache, mysql, mail are still working
[14:05] <Nik05> and reinstall we really need to plan. And probably not going to ubuntu :P
[14:05] <Lynzabbel> yeats: i've switched mirror but it is still taking a long time at the universe Translation part... any ideas why?
[14:05] <yeats> Nik05: this kind of thing happens on any distro, jsyk
[14:06] <Nik05> yeah i know ;)
[14:06] <yeats> Lynzabbel: locales take a while to download?
[14:06] <Nik05> but we thought maybe just go for debian stable...
[14:07] <Lynzabbel> yeats: if thats what you call it, yea...
[14:07] <yeats> Lynzabbel: that's normal
[14:07] <Lynzabbel> yeats: oh i see, but how long would it normally take?
[14:07] <yeats> Nik05: yeah - I can endorse that decision
[14:07] <Lynzabbel> more than 30 mins?
[14:07] <HelloWorld321> My Eclipse won't launch because it can't find the swt-gtk library.  libswt-gtk is in /usr/share/java-config/ and in /usr/share/lintian/overrides.  My java alternative is 1.7.0_09, but I have JDK1.6.0, JDK1.7.0 and java-7-oracle installed.  printenv shows no classpath (nor libpath, nor javapath).  So, um, should I reinstall eclipse, reinstall java, or do something else?
[14:08] <yeats> Lynzabbel: 20 mins? a lot depends on connection speed, how heavy the mirror traffic is, etc.
[14:08] <Lynzabbel> yeats: hmmm i see, i'll give it a while more
[14:08] <Lynzabbel> thanks
[14:08] <yeats> Nik05: we use Ubuntu LTS and Debian stable in the environment where I work
[14:09] <Nik05> endok
[14:09] <Nik05> ho
[14:09] <Boatman> Anyone can help me? Having a problem on my Ubuntu 12.04, days ago I installed Gnome 3 on it, but today, when I was using it, all the enviroment did frozen, except of the mouse cursor. When I restarted, I loged and went to the desktop, but have the same frozen enviroment (again, except of the mouse cursor). I change the enviroment to unity and then it worked, but I want to continue using Gnome 3, what should I do?
[14:09] <Nik05> ok thanks
[14:10] <Nik05> ah yeats aa-status finally interrupted
[14:10] <HelloWorld321> java eclipse won't launch can't find the libswt-gtk java alternative 1.7.0_09  JDK 1.6.0 1.7.0 and java-7-oracle installed printenv classpath
[14:10] <HelloWorld321> sry
[14:11] <yeats> Nik05: any error messages?
[14:11] <soomon> hello. i had a mdadm raid5 with performance of about350mb/s read&write. with luks on top i get ~310mb/s write (thats ok) but only 260mb/s read? slower than write? any idea why? filesystem is ext4. i benchmark with:dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/raid/testfile.out bs=1M count=40000 and:  dd if=/media/raid/testfile.out of=/dev/null bs=1M . do i need any special options when creating the filesystem? all partitions should be aligned correctly.
[14:13] <YatharthROCK> !bot
[14:13] <Nik05> yeats only a traceback to the interrupt
[14:13] <bekks> soomon: Because the data has to be unencrypted after reading it, while the data to be written already got encrypted. Getting thos results thata a pretty good sign for a failing performance test, not taking caches, buffers, RAM size into account when testing.
[14:13] <Nik05> let me paste it
[14:13] <hangdeadman> I am rinning ubuntu 12.04 on a dell inspiron 1545, can anyone help me to get pcsx2 playstation 2 emulator running?
[14:14] <Nik05> yeats: http://paste.debian.net/213924/
[14:14] <Nik05> but dpkg is still hanging
[14:14] <soomon> the reading test shows a much lower cpu load than the writing one o_0
[14:17] <bryguy_> I'm getting "NVRM:  os_schedule:  Attempted to yield the CPU while in atomic or interrupt context" errors periodically using the nvidia-current drivers and running 3d games (most recently torchlight). It's completely locking up my system except for the mouse (though I can still ssh in)
[14:17] <bryguy_> anyone else see this problem? using 12.10, quad core i5, gtx670, 8GB ram
[14:18] <yeats> Nik05: this might help? : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[14:18] <soomon> bekks if its the encryption that takes so long..than why does the reading test have a much lower cpu load than the writing one? also my system has AES-NI so it should be fast ith encryption.
[14:19] <yeats> Nik05: maybe there's a "bad" profile in there somewhere
[14:20] <Nik05> ok thanks yeats, i will take a look
[14:22] <bekks> soomon: Because you didnt took buffers, cache, read/write methods (seq./random), RAM size into account.
[14:22] <soomon> ok thanks
[14:24] <pondo> Helo
[14:26] <pondo> User
[14:28] <jjschoen> I've been using themes in Ubuntu, which I really like. I run into problems with text-intensive programs like writer, calc, eclipse, etc. due to bad contrast between the text and background. Turns out whats pretty in a UI isn't too great for working with spreadsheets :). I know I can revert to the default theme to work around the issue but I'd rather not have to do that every time. Does anyone know a way to open a program from the c
[14:28] <jjschoen> ommand line with the default theme or some other trick that might help me? Thanks guys.
[14:30] <Nik05> yeats kern.log is full of apparmor logs :P
[14:35] <KevinJ> Having a problem with audio over HDMI in ubunut 12.10.
[14:35] <hangdeadman> i am using a 3rd party usb ps3 controller with ubuntu for games, how do i stop it from controlling my mouse pointer?
[14:35] <KevinJ> I can get it working, but it drops out after each reboot, and also when suspending the system.
[14:35] <killer> is there a pyhook python module for ubuntu
[14:38] <HelloWorld321> Would anyone mind taking a look at my eclipse/java problem?  http://pastebin.com/QY6pnhzA
[14:41] <ubuntuaddicted> thinking of using xubuntu 64bit on an intel 1.8ghz c2d, any disadvantages to 64bit?
[14:41] <bekks> ubuntuaddicted: Nope.
[14:41] <ubuntuaddicted> i know there used to be problems with flash and such, is 64bit the way to go or not worth it with this old CPU?
[14:42] <ubuntuaddicted> i believe its only that 64emt or whatever not a true 64bit chip.
[14:42] <yeats> Nik05: oh - great
[14:43] <aasee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[14:43] <ubuntuaddicted> how do i configure the nouveau driver with a gui?
[14:43] <Nik05> ubuntuaddicted i think its x86_64
[14:44] <ubuntuaddicted> Nik05, does that mean I can run the 64bit version of xubuntu?
[14:44] <aasee> i have some problems with the restoration of the grub
[14:44] <aasee> can somebody help me_
[14:44] <aasee> ?
[14:45] <aasee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[14:46] <ubuntuaddicted> i can't get a nvidia 6200 to have decent resolution, not sure which driver to use. keep getting DPMS SUSPEND right after logging in
[14:48] <ubuntuaddicted> so frustrating the state of graphics drivers in linux
[14:48] <ubuntuaddicted> i am using a very low resolution currrently because nouveau failed to find a screen
[14:50] <BluesKaj> ubuntuaddicted, drop to a tty , stop your DM , then install nvidia-current , then do , sudo nvidia-xorg , then reboot
[14:50] <ablyss> the 6* series is pretty old why not get something newer that works like a 600 series
[14:51] <MonkeyDust> ubuntuaddicted  not graphics drivers, but nvidia -- my intel works fine
[14:51] <ablyss> s/6*/6000
[14:51] <ubuntuaddicted> BluesKaj, did that, my olevia 26" tv (VGA hookup) enters DPMS SUSPEND mode immediately after signing in. Tried nvidia-current, Nvidia binary 304
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ablyss, we don't advise to buy new HW
[14:51] <badday> !question | aasee
[14:52] <ablyss>  BluesKaj, suit  yourselves
[14:52] <wellex> how do I get root access?
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> not
[14:52] <ablyss> everyday when you update, you get new software
[14:52] <Nik05> wellex `su`
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> wellex  use sudo
[14:52] <aasee> badday: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[14:53] <aasee> ubottu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[14:53] <manawir> hai...
[14:54] <wellex> Nik05 : no output command `su`
[14:54] <manawir> hai....
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> wellex  Nik05 su means switch user
[14:55] <Nik05> `su roo`
[14:55] <Nik05> root*
[14:55] <bazhang> Nik05, dont advise that here
[14:55] <Nik05> well he asked for root access
[14:55] <manawir> hai...
[14:55] <gordonjcp> Nik05: that's not how you do it
[14:55] <bazhang> Nik05, sudo
[14:55] <gordonjcp> !sudo
[14:55] <MonkeyDust> !root
[14:55] <bazhang> manawir, did you have an ubuntu support question
[14:56] <aasee> manawir:  you are from romain_?
[14:56] <aasee> ubottu: ???
[14:57] <MonkeyDust> aasee  ubottu is a (ro)bot, a piece of software
[14:57] <bazhang> !here | aasee
[14:57] <bazhang> aasee, ubottu is a bot
[14:57] <aasee> ok, but i want to solve my problem...
[14:57] <bazhang> aasee, then ask a question
[14:58] <aasee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[14:58] <wellex> sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
[14:58] <wellex> :(
[14:58] <Nik05> ubottu is a bot...
[14:58] <Nik05> ho i wasnt scrolled down
[14:59] <aasee> wellex: u answered to me?
[14:59] <wellex> no
[14:59] <badday> ubottu: Are you intelligent?
[14:59] <badday> ;)
[14:59] <bazhang> aasee, please give us a question, at least an outline of your issue
[15:00] <rymate1234> hey
[15:00] <aasee> bazhang: it is present in the http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/                   , i want to restore the grub
[15:00] <bazhang> !grub2 | aasee
[15:00] <rymate1234> How do I do I preform a printer head clean on ubuntu 12.10
[15:00] <YatharthROCK> ubottu, what are some fun channels to be on?
[15:00] <rymate1234> I have an epson stylus usb printer
[15:00] <bazhang> YatharthROCK, ask in #freenode
[15:01] <wellex> how the sudo command to gain root access?
[15:01] <bazhang> wellex, whats the command you wish to use
[15:01] <badday> welles: open terminal and write "sudo <command>"
[15:01] <badday> *wellex
[15:02] <badday> wellex: to open terminal, press ctrl+alt+t
[15:02] <wellex> wait
[15:02] <Battlecat> hi there.
[15:02] <YatharthROCK> wellex, or Ctrl+Alt+F1
[15:03] <Battlecat> How can I make Unity desktop use fewer resources? I have read about Unity 2d but it seems to be depreciated or missing.
[15:03] <badday> wellex: If you press ctrl+alt+F1, you get back to graphical mode by ctrl+alt+F7
[15:03] <aasee> so nobody is able to answer to my question?    http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[15:04] <bazhang> aasee, I gave you a grub2 link, please read it
[15:04] <yhusha_> how to repackage an iso as an iso after extraction
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> aasee  read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows?action=show&redirect=RestoreGrub
[15:05] <aasee> MonkeyDust: bazhang , YES, I have read thea ll but i dont know what to write in the XXX
[15:06] <bazhang> aasee, then ask us the particular question you are having from that link; what have you done, which part can you not understand, etc
[15:06] <aasee> i have runeed that commands , and now i dont know what to fill in the XXX
[15:06] <bazhang> aasee, Please be very clear
[15:06] <BluesKaj> aasee, /dev/sda6
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> aasee  what you find with sudo fdisk -l
[15:07] <aasee> BluesKaj: why it is dev/sda6?
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> aasee  /dev/sda6       444325833   486287549    20980858+  83  Linux
[15:07] <aasee> MonkeyDust: i have show that in the foollowing link>http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404773/
[15:07] <aasee> and why it is dev6?
[15:07] <aasee> sda6?
[15:08] <aasee> *
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> aasee  linux works with partitions, it's the name of the partition where linux is situated
[15:08] <aasee> ok, thanks
[15:10] <BluesKaj> aasee, that's your linux partition where you want to install grub
[15:11] <ablyss> wellex, another way is to do sudo bash
[15:12] <aasee> BluesKaj: MonkeyDust , i have now runned the    ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda6 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:12] <aasee> what is the problem now?
[15:13] <hamidi_> hi, i've written a perl script to be run when system is shutting down or starting up
[15:13] <hamidi_> how to know which one is occuring?
[15:13] <krabador> hi, i replaced my ati radeon 9600 pro, with a nvidia geforce 5900XT, in  ubuntu 12.10, how can i reconfigure xorg, to use it right?
[15:13] <bhavesh> I am running Windows 7 x86 on my virtualbox in Ubuntu 12.10, I have attached two USB's but windows 7 does not detect them
[15:14] <bhavesh> when virtualbox started it showed "Failed to access the USB subsystem.
[15:14] <bhavesh> Virtual box is not currently allowed to access USB devices You can change this by adding your user to the 'vboxusers' group..."
[15:14] <hamidi_> or say, in a perl script how can i know that the system is shutting down?
[15:14] <MonkeyDust> bhavesh  you need guest additions
[15:14] <bhavesh> then I did sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers username
[15:14] <bhavesh> MonkeyDust, I already have them
[15:14] <BluesKaj> aasee, sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[15:15] <bhavesh> then I logged back in, ran virtualbox as sudo but still windows 7 does not detect the usb;s
[15:15] <bhavesh> should I restart ubuntu?
[15:15] <emx> i am installing ubuntu and got plenty of conflicts. basically * conflicts with *:i386
[15:15] <rethus> hi
[15:15] <emx> how can i resolve this?
[15:15] <aasee> BluesKaj: MonkeyDust >>>> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda6 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:16] <aasee> the same problem
[15:16] <krabador> help with geforce 5900XT ubuntu 12.10 installation :)
[15:16] <rethus> i plan to use remastersys to create deploy-versions of my installation. is there a howto, what i have to set, to prefent remastersys themself from be saved on the created image?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> aasee, are you on the live cd ?
[15:17] <aasee> BluesKaj: yes
[15:17] <nuovo> ma non ce nessuno che parla italiano??
[15:18] <InspectorCluseau> krabador, remove the radeon driver and install an nvidia driver
[15:18] <BluesKaj> sudo grub-install /dev/sda6 ? aasee
[15:19] <aasee> BluesKaj: MonkeyDust >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda6 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:19] <aasee> i get the same problem
[15:19] <hargut> Hello.
[15:19] <aasee> i am on the live cd
[15:19] <BluesKaj> aasee, /usr/sbin/grub-probe ?
[15:19] <midolaru> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Cannot_Find_A_Device_For_boot/grub
[15:19] <aasee> hargut: we are not very hellowish here, but anyway hello
[15:20] <rocky_> i recently screwed up my linux kernel package on 12.10 (had a ppa that i didn't know would install a 3.7 kernel) - ever since then i try installing the nvidia 173 driver manually (from nvidia's site) and it tells me it can' find the kernel source... what am i missing?
[15:20] <krabador> InspectorCluseau, i use the default mesa driver for the radeon
[15:20] <hargut> Is it possible to log onto a network-share with nautilus? The share has different permissions for different users, anonymous is read only. user & pw is read,write.
[15:20] <codeadi> Hello Guys!!! I am having trouble with some websites. A lot of websites are not loading in Chrome, Chromium, Firefox. Some of the websites are imgur.com, fed-sudoku.eu, microsoft.com. Previously installed Ubuntu 12.10, presently running Lubuntu 12.10... Same problem in both the distros. BTW, using OpenDNS. Please Help.
[15:20] <aasee> BluesKaj:  what i have to do with /usr/sbin/grub-probe ?
[15:21] <sajan> hargut, I think at the top menu bar there is a way to "Connect to server..."
[15:21] <sajan> hargut, in 'File' or something I think.
[15:21] <schreber> Is it possible to build ubuntu from scratch like one can with debian?
[15:21] <hargut> sajan: Thanks. I'll echeck.
[15:22] <ania> Hi
[15:23] <BluesKaj> aasee, why are you showing us that ?..looked like you added that to the command
[15:24] <midolaru> aasee: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Cannot_Find_A_Device_For_boot/grub
[15:24] <ablyss> codeadi, when some websites load while others don't is DNS related.  just have to wait it out or switch DNS
[15:25] <LeChacal> hello, i just did a df on my server and noticed that my 8TB array is only coming up as 2TB, the array was formated as NTFS under ubuntu. My question is what do I need to do to get over this 2TB limit?
[15:25] <codeadi> ablyss: I have switched to OpenDNS... but it doesn't solve the problem
[15:25] <hangdeadman> ubuntu is registering my playstation 3 controller as a mouse, how do i get it to stop?
[15:26] <aasee> midolaru: MonkeyDust BluesKaj , what i have to write in the sdXY, sdUV, sdZ , from that link?
[15:26] <schreber> as an aside if I run grab the minimal cd would I be able to be more selective of what packages, etc. are installed/downloaded?
[15:26] <aasee>  http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Cannot_Find_A_Device_For_boot/grub
[15:27] <rocky_> it's a real pain in the butt that nvidia 173 driver package is broken on 12.10
[15:27] <sundar> hi all. i just did the stupidest thing unexpectedly by dd'ing 100+ MB to my external hard drive. is there any possibility to recover the data from such a drive? Thanks for any help!
[15:28] <BluesKaj> aasee, your partition device name sda6 the sdZ is only used as an example
[15:28] <codeadi> sundar: what do you mean by dd'ing
[15:28] <hangdeadman> ubuntu is registering my playstation 3 controller as a mouse, how do i get it to stop?
[15:29] <sundar> codeadi, i just did "dd if=some_file of=/dev/my/hard/drive"
[15:29] <Hyperbyte> Question.  I need to give apache write access to a directory.  There's an LDAP group which has write permission on the directory.  So, my first choice would be to add apache to the LDAP group.
[15:30] <sundar> it has written 100+ MB to the device's partition
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> sundar  you need to add 'count=....' for the size
[15:30] <Hyperbyte> Unfortunately, you can't add local users to an LDAP group AFAIK.  So the other solution I can come up with is to add the system user httpd to LDAP, and then work from there... but that doesn't seem very elegant too.
[15:30] <Hyperbyte> Anyone know a better solution?
[15:30] <sundar> MonkeyDust, it took some size from the file but that's not what i bother. i just lost the partition table
[15:30] <baordog> hey all
[15:30] <hangdeadman> ubuntu is registering my playstation 3 controller as a mouse, how do i get it to stop?
[15:31] <sundar> is there any way i can recover my files from the hard drive?
[15:31] <aasee> BluesKaj: MonkeyDust , midolaru , what i get now is the following> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1404876/
[15:31] <baordog> can you help me and my friend with an ubuntu flash drive install?
[15:31] <baordog> it's getting stuck on the "syslinux 4.86.." screen
[15:31] <baordog> is that normal?
[15:31] <baordog> *4.06
[15:32] <midolaru> Install to mbr
[15:32] <baordog> midolaru:  me?
[15:32] <midolaru> No
[15:32] <baordog> ok
[15:32] <BluesKaj> aasee, run the grub-install command
[15:33] <hangdeadman> ubuntu is registering my playstation 3 controller as a mouse, how do i get it to stop moving my pointer?
[15:33] <aasee> BluesKaj: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda6 /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:34] <sundar> guys, any idea on how to recover files from a hard drive with damaged partition table?
[15:34] <plague> p
[15:35] <baordog> any ideas?
[15:36] <bazhang> baordog, using what method, what version of ubuntu to the flash drive
[15:36] <baordog> 12.10 with yumi
[15:37] <bazhang> !info yumi
[15:37] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: do you have xserver-xorg-input-joystick installed?
[15:37] <bazhang> baordog, use something like unetbootin usb-creator tool
[15:38] <baordog> tried that before yumi
[15:38] <BluesKaj> aasee, try sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[15:38] <baordog> same result
[15:38] <bazhang> baordog, and what happened
[15:38] <baordog> gets stick on the first copyright screen
[15:38] <hangdeadman> zykotick9: i don't know how would i check?
[15:38] <baordog> *stuck
[15:38] <baordog> nothing happens
[15:38] <ablyss> sundar, it depends.  a simple text file can be somewhat retrieved easily with a hexeditor.  other than that I'd take it in to a computer shop that deals with such things on a daily basis
[15:39] <aasee> BluesKaj: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/sda /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?). ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:39] <baordog> SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD etc...
[15:39] <bazhang> baordog, so its a corrupt iso
[15:39] <aasee> the same problem
[15:39] <baordog> You sure?
[15:39] <bazhang> baordog, md5 the iso
[15:39] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: from terminal "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-joystick"
[15:39] <baordog> Tried it with 2 different ISO downloads
[15:39] <BluesKaj> aasee,well ,sorry that's all i can suggest
[15:39] <baordog> how?
[15:39] <bazhang> !md5 | baordog
[15:39] <bazhang> !hashes | baordog
[15:39] <midolaru> aasee:if u are on lived try to chroot maybe
[15:40] <bhavesh> MonkeyDust, SUCCESS!! Installed Virtualbox extension pack, enabled usb 2.0 support and added my usb in settings(filters)
[15:40] <aasee> midolaru: how do i do that? chroot?
[15:40] <hangdeadman> zykotic9:
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> bhavesh  great! glad to help (y)
[15:40] <zykotick9> !tab | hangdeadman
[15:40] <hangdeadman> zykotic9: xserver-xorg-input-joystick:
[15:40] <hangdeadman>   Installed: 1:1.6.0-1build2
[15:40] <hangdeadman>   Candidate: 1:1.6.0-1build2
[15:40] <hangdeadman>   Version table:
[15:40] <hangdeadman>  *** 1:1.6.0-1build2 0
[15:40] <hangdeadman>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe i386 Packages
[15:40] <FloodBot1> hangdeadman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:41] <zykotick9> !paste | hangdeadman
[15:41] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: i'd remove that and see if the problem disappears (it's not required to use the joystick as a joystick)
[15:41] <midolaru> aasee:chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[15:42] <hangdeadman> zykotick9: how do i remove it?
[15:42] <aasee> BluesKaj: midolaru , MonkeyDust i have run before that the commands available here> http://askubuntu.com/questions/53969/is-ccleaner-beneficial-for-ubuntu
[15:42] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: try "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-joystick" and verify ONLY that package will be removed, before you agree!
[15:42] <aasee> midolaru: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /mnt /bin/bash chroot: cannot change root directory to /mnt: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[15:43] <midolaru> Sudo...
[15:44] <baordog> bazhang: md5 checksums are different
[15:44] <hangdeadman> zykotic9: i removed it but my controller is still moving the pointer
[15:44] <bazhang> baordog, then the iso is corrupt, consider getting it via torrents
[15:44] <bazhang> !torrents | baordog
[15:44] <baordog> I got it directly from the ubuntu website
[15:44] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: did you restart xorg?  and please you TAB for my nick.
[15:45] <baordog> how on earth could it be corrupt?
[15:45] <joe_onereb> I'm having difficulities with logging on to a newly set up ubuntu server using ssh from both a windows machine and a linux machine, neither are working
[15:45] <bazhang> baordog, that happens with files, sometimes.
[15:45] <baordog> will it happen again if I just try to download it again? This seems kind of suspicious
[15:46] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: sorry that was suppose to be "please use TAB for my nick" ;)
[15:46] <bazhang> baordog, did you get the torrent yet?
[15:46] <hangdeadman> zykotick9: how do i restart xorg?
[15:46] <baordog> No, I'd prefer not to torrent it
[15:46] <zykotick9> hangdeadman: assuming you use lightdm, "sudo service lightdm restart" should work
[15:47] <baordog> How will that be better than downloading it directly from Ubuntu?
[15:47] <zykotick9> baordog: torrents have error correction....  makes it saver for large files.
[15:49] <yhusha_> what would this code appear to do: sudo mount -o loop -t squashfs /casper/filesystem.squashfs /mnt
[15:49] <escott> yhusha, mount the casper image to /mnt
[15:49] <baordog> what if it's not corrupt? What else could be wrong?
[15:49] <yhusha_> the casper image of the host system
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> baordog: what video chip do you use?
[15:50] <escott> yhusha, the casper image of whatever is in /casper
[15:50] <bazhang> baordog, you just checked the hashes and they do NOT match. it's corrupt
[15:50] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, this is about a downloaded iso, not a video driver
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: gotcha
[15:54] <redheat> hi everyone, guys I need a quick favor, if I have an HP Touchsmart tm-2 that has two graphics cards one of them is an intel/ and the other is ATI Radeon HD 4000 series, is there a video driver that goes with this setup...it's a MUX setup, that is switched by Hardware Multiplixer therefore the word MUX,
[15:55] <redheat> My system right now is using VESA, the Generic drive that came with Ubuntu 12.10, no properiatory driver installed
[15:55] <escott> redheat, you can look at bumblee or vga_switcheroo
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> redheat: hybrid video is a load of headache in Linux
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> redheat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics    may help
[15:56] <redheat> yeah I noticed that ActionParsnip, cool pseudo :) ,
[15:56] <redheat> thanks escott, you ActionParsnip
[15:56] <baordog> bazhang:  I am torrenting now
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> redheat: if you can disable one of the video chips in BIOS, I suggest you do that
[15:57] <redheat> I tried installing and uninstalling so many times it gave me black screen, fortunately I have another Linux OS next to my Ubuntu setup
[15:57] <redheat> unfortunately, the BIOS I got doesn't support that
[15:58] <redheat> and from that OS linux I was able to delete all the xorg files under x11 only then I was able to login back successfuly
[15:58] <redheat> escott, does switcheroo or bumblee work as intended
[15:59] <rex> bol
[15:59] <georges> bumblebee gave me headaches with intel/NVidia hybrid on my portable. I gave up after about 6 hrs of fuxing with it
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> redheat: I've never seen a success with that tech. It's best avoided imho
[16:01] <redheat> you know georges, ActionParsnip, the only thing that scares me is when it gets too hot, and suddenly the whole laptop shuts down, it happened couple of times before but on the other linux OS, Mint Maya, and I had to reboot from Ubuntu and do the whole delete xorg file thingy...and uninstall the drivers..
[16:01] <DeltaHeavy> How can I "View Desktop" with Unity on 12.10?
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: ALT+TAB and there is an option there
[16:02] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: Is that the only way? It's the only way I could find. Maybe Unity just really isn't for me lol.
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: you can use CCSM to set a custom shortcut
[16:03] <YatharthROCK> DeltaHeavy, Ctrl+Super+D
[16:03] <DeltaHeavy> YatharthROCK: Ah thanks!
[16:03] <redheat> anyhow, ActionParsnip, escott and georgoes, thanks a lot folks for your help truly appreciate the kind help and the time..appreciate it thank you..
[16:03] <DeltaHeavy> Thanks to both of you for your help!
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: changing session for something that trivial, seems a little excessive
[16:04] <DeltaHeavy> Anyway, does anybody find Unity has a bit of a lag on it? I've only used it before on really old machines and VM's which is what I thought this lag is from. I'm wondering if now it's cause this hardware is so new and the nouvou driver doesn't like me very much.
[16:04] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: It's a collection of things. Mainly it feels kinda slow
[16:05] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: the support and performance of the 3d video component is key
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: try other things, its all free
[16:05] <DeltaHeavy> GNOME2/XFCE feel so quick and snappy.
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: could even run just openbox/fluxbox and ditch the desktop altogether
[16:05] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: I have a 460GTX but I need to move this into a computer that's Intel integrated only. I'm afraid if I install that other driver it'll kill support on the other machine.
[16:05] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy why would that kill support ?
[16:06] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: Those are too minimal for my tastes. I think I'm going to stick with Mint on MATE. Have a couple of quams with Mint but nothing I can't really fix.
[16:06] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: Cause then I'll be trying to run a driver that's for a specific card/chipset, on something COMPLETELY different.
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: Remember, mint isn't supported here. It has it's own channels and forums for support
[16:06] <mns> can I upgrade from xubuntu to ubuntu ?  what do I need in my /etc/apt/sources.list to do that ?
[16:06] <DeltaHeavy> Yeah, I'm just mentioning it because I'm not a fan of Mint but it seems to be the only distro that supports MATE.
[16:06] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: so you then either a.) use dynamic xorg detection b.) disable the drivers you think may be a problem before you move machine
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> mns: its not an upgrade, you just install a different desktop and log in to that instead
[16:07] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: or c.) do a clean install on your new machine and migrate data
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> mns: you don't need to change any sources files etc
[16:07] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: I'd probably use 'a' but this install is for a short term project of mine and I don't wanna get to the other place I need to be with this and it just not work without me having to muck about for who knows how long.
[16:08] <mns> ActionParsnip: which desktop do I install ?  aptitude install task-gnome-desktop ?
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> mns: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:09] <mns> ahhh ok
[16:09] <mns> ActionParsnip: thanks.
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-desktop
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[16:09] <DeltaHeavy> Does GNOME2 fallback mode also use all that GPU stuff?
[16:10] <ikonia> gnome2 fall back is dead
[16:10] <DeltaHeavy> Ah, good to know. Thanks!
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: I don't believe it uses Compiz
[16:10] <mns> I guess I'll prepare myself for Unity ...
[16:11] <DeltaHeavy> mns: I suggest you try it first. I've been trying it and it's not quite my cup of tea.
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: could try LXDE too :)
[16:11] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: Ew, no thanks :p. I think I'm too hung up on GNOME2 so I'm just going to be a MATE/XFCE fanboy.
[16:11] <ikonia> then don't use ubuntu
[16:12] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: gnome 2 is horrible
[16:12] <ikonia> ubuntu's supported/default desktop is unity - if you're not comfortable with that I'd suggest looking at different distros
[16:12] <ikonia> gnome 2 is dead so a pointless conversation
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/raring.png    fun
[16:12] <gordonjcp> I don't understand why people want to keep that bloated pile around
[16:12] <mns> DeltaHeavy: yeah I know what you mean.
[16:12] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: It's the only distro that's worked on my machine. My mobo is really new and Ubuntu's hardware support is the best so I hear. Also regardless of distro, DE is up to the user. I could just uninstall Unity and install XFCE on this bad boy but I'm just going to put up with Unity until I'm done
[16:13] <gordonjcp> mint will be good when they update to using Unity, and finally get rid of that crappy Gnome 2 zombie
[16:13] <DeltaHeavy> godeonjcp: Matter of preference.
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: why change distro, the OS is super cusomizable
[16:13] <emx> how can i tell aptitude not to use any i386 packages?
[16:13] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: It works, so it's not bad in my books. If you don't like it I understand though.
[16:13] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: you prefer a slow ugly desktop that gets in your way?
[16:13] <ikonia> ActionParsnip because if they wanted to use xfce, they would use xubuntu, or kubuntu etc
[16:13] <alouwa> join chanel
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> emx: it won't it doesnt play with dual arch too well
[16:13] <gordonjcp> Gnome 2 was good when it first came out but it ended up with all kinds of extra stuff tossed in
[16:13] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: Unity are all those things to me where GNOME2 is none of those things. MATE and XFCE are far more lightweight and require less powerful hardware than Unity.
[16:13] <ikonia> installing ubuntu to then remove unity just seems backwards,
[16:14] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: XFCE is slow
[16:14] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: You're wrong as fact
[16:14] <ikonia> mate mate desktop is pointless
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> ikonia: you can install ubuntu mini then install xfce, lsb_release will report 'ubuntu'
[16:14] <emx> ActionParsnip, i open aptitude after the first install and all bloody i386 are selected (and blocking the amd64 ones)
[16:14] <alouwa> join channel #32B,0
[16:14] <ikonia> it's the gnome 2 base - the gnome 2 base is dead
[16:14] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: I'm going my by own tests
[16:14] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: False, it works for me.
[16:14] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: I didn't say it didn't work, I said it was DEAD
[16:14] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: XFCE is only quicker on machines with *very* tight memory
[16:14] <bekks> alouwa: Font forget the "/" before the join. Like "/join..."
[16:14] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: You must have some interesting hardware because XFCE is KNOWN for being more lightweight than Unity. Read Xubuntu's front page, it'll probably enlighten you.
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> gordonjcp: its ust quicker generally
[16:15] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: the XFCE code is written to use less memory but run a lot slower than Gnome
[16:15] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: Everything is completely instant for me on XFCE.
[16:15] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: good for you
[16:15] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: it'll be quicker in Unity, then
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: same here
[16:15] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: unless you're seriously hammering through memory
[16:15] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: Please check your fanboyism at the door.
[16:15] <DeltaHeavy> thx :3
[16:16] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: I used to be an XFCE dev
[16:16] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: please stop, gordonjcp's point is valid
[16:16] <mns> DeltaHeavy: you seem like you use xubuntu. Is there a "network proxy manager" equivalent in xubuntu ?  GNOME 2 has it, I dont know if its there for GNOME3.
[16:16] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: I'm not one any more
[16:16] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: Can you provide some proof please?
[16:16] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: he used to be
[16:16] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: go check the commit logs
[16:16] <Guest49506> ActionParsnip: Just wanted to come on, not to ask something, but to thank you and k1l, as well as escott for your help in solving my amule problem yesterday
[16:16] <bazhang> lets move on please
[16:16] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: I gave up on it because there were so many bugs they won't fix, and so many design decisions that I didn't like
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> Guest49506: I try :). Thanks for the grattitude :)
[16:17] <Eagleman> I am trying to select only files that are max 2 weeks old in my script, but this is failing, i am using: find test/* -mtime 14  but nothing shows up: this is a file in the folder: -rw-r--r-- 1 root  root     0 Dec  2 17:11 test
[16:17] <DeltaHeavy> I'll take your word then. Perhaps Unity FEELS a lot slower and sluggish to me but then again I'm using nouvou. Regardless XFCE is regarded among-st many as "fast" and "lightweight" which I believe it to be.
[16:17] <ikonia> Eagleman: don't need test/*
[16:17] <Guest49506> ActionParsnip: I don't know what happened, but I learned from you - as I always do - and now amule works correctly
[16:17] <ikonia> Eagleman: just test or . if it's the cwd
[16:17] <bazhang> DeltaHeavy, thats enough
[16:18] <DeltaHeavy> mns: I'm not too familiar with any of the *buntu linux's. Sorry.
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> Guest49506: glad you got the gold :)
[16:18] <links> Is there a workaround if my isp allocated a private dynamic ip to me if i want people to access my webserver?
[16:18] <bekks> Eagleman: then you want to check for the creation time, not the modification time. Or do you even like the access time even more?
[16:18] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: as I said at the start, the key is 3d support, you've already said you are using the limited support drivers, what do you expect
[16:18] <Guest49506> z
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: I bet just a WM on its own is lighter
[16:18] <Eagleman> Creation/modification time i guess
[16:18] <Guest49506> ActionParsnip: Too rarely thanks is given, so tjat is resolved
[16:19] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: True, I think it might be because I expect any GNU/Linux distro to have the mantra many seem to have of "works great on your grandma's P4", not that Ubuntu not following that is a negative point.
[16:19] <ActionParsnip> Guest49506: too true, that's why its appreciated when it is given
[16:19] <Eagleman> files get downloaded, then moved to another folder, then timestamped with touch to the current date, then i want to run the find -m script
[16:20] <bekks> Eagleman: Which doesnt answer the question :)
[16:20] <somsip> links: use a service like dyndns or no-ip and add a CNAME entry to your domain to point to it
[16:20] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: True, it is, you gotta look at features/usability too though. XFCE/MATE have everything I need without it getting in the way while feeling dead instant.
[16:20] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy ubuntu doesn't say that, it gives you clear hardware requirements
[16:20] <Eagleman> well if i timestamp it with touch, which thing changes? modification or creation time?
[16:20] <bekks> Eagleman: Modification time.
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: if all you do is web browser and chat, then its enough
[16:20] <escott> Eagleman, there is no such thing as creation time
[16:20] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: it's not meant for 10 year old PC's, it's a modern OS, that's why it calls out reasonable hardware modification .
[16:21] <Eagleman> modification time then
[16:21] <ikonia> specficiation
[16:21] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: I know, like I said, I'm not trying to bash Ubuntu on there. It would ruin the point of GNU/Linux if everybody expected EVERY distro to be 'x' and 'y'.
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: you can even use tint2 as a panel at the bottom
[16:21] <Guest14653> Does anybody know a good web page that explains how to learn C++ on Linux?
[16:21] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: what you are sayig makes no sense
[16:21] <bekks> escott: Then whats ctime? OF COURSE there is a creation time.
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Guest14653: the guys in #c++ may know a thing or 3
[16:21] <gordonjcp> Guest14653: there are hundreds, possibly thousands
[16:21] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: I'm saying Ubuntu isn't a very lightweight distro, not that I'm trying to say that's a bad thing.
[16:21] <Eagleman> But then, find . -mtime 14  is still not working
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: it can be, depends on config
[16:22] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy sorry, that's just not true
[16:22] <DeltaHeavy> I'm on a modern PC, I think it's just cause I"m using nouvou. WHen all this is said and done I'm going to install the appropriate graphics driver and see how it fairs.
[16:22] <escott> bekks, ctime is change time. when the inode was changed (permissions ownership)
[16:22] <Guest14653> Tried to get into #c++ but landed in the overflow channel.
[16:22] <bekks> Eagleman: Just take a look at the atime/mtime/ctime options of find.
[16:22] <prashant_123456> which shell i am using from terminal
[16:22] <bekks> prashant_123456: "echo $SHELl"
[16:23] <zykotick9> prashant_123456: bash is default
[16:23] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: What's not true?
[16:23] <escott> bekks, the problem is semantics of creation are unclear. if I echo "test" > foo.txt should the creation time be the new time or the old one? what if I echo "test" > foo.new; mv foo.txt foo.old; mv foo.new foo.txt;
[16:23] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: that ubuntu is not lightweight
[16:23] <DeltaHeavy> Compared to Windows/OS X I'll say it's quite lightweight compared to those behemoths :p
[16:23] <ikonia> wow - you're just talking nonsense now
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: ubuntu minimal + openbox + slim = ~1Gb installed.    Super light
[16:23] <prashant_123456> bekks, is it echo $SHELL
[16:23] <ikonia> I'd suggest stop making thigns up
[16:23] <escott> bekks, the most recent ext filesystems allow in the inode space for a creation time, but it is not exported by any tools
[16:23] <bekks> prashant_123456: Thats a command you have to type in your shell, followed by pressing enter.
[16:23] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: I'm talking the default 12.04 install. You can do whatever you want to pretty much any GNU/Linux.
[16:24] <bekks> escott: ack.
[16:24] <prashant_123456> bekks, ok sir
[16:24] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: What I'm I making up?
[16:24] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: "fat windows, fat mac os, ubuntu is lighter" etc
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: but you never said that....you just said 'ubuntu isn't lightweight'
[16:24] <bazhang> !ot
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: try qualifying more exactly, the install I quoted above is STILL Ubuntu, it's not the default but it is Ubuntu
[16:25] <bazhang> lets all move back to support Please
[16:25] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: I guess it's subjective. Compared to CentOS, Debian, and Arch which is what I usually use, it's quite a bit more lightweight. I'm also talking about out of the box
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: if you make generalizations as wide as that, we can and wil shoot you down
[16:25] <ikonia> this is tedious fantasy talk made up of nonsense
[16:25] <ikonia> I suggest parking it
[16:25] <DeltaHeavy> ikonia: Are you suggesting WIndows 7 has a smaller resource footprint than Ubuntu?
[16:26] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy it certainly can
[16:26] <DeltaHeavy> Out of the box install?
[16:26] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy it certainly can
[16:26] <escott> DeltaHeavy, all this depends on what you call "the os" there is a console only mode version of windows server
[16:26] <DeltaHeavy> In what sort of situation since you're sayiugn "can"
[16:26] <DeltaHeavy> escott: Windows 7 Home Preimum
[16:26] <cleamoon> DeltaHeavy, it is true... ubuntu has been too big now
[16:26] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: on my machine they come in at approx the same resource use out of the box - no changes to configuration
[16:26] <escott> DeltaHeavy, vs what?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: if you install every package in the repos, will it not be bigger than a Win7 install?
[16:27] <DeltaHeavy> escott: Ubuntu 12.04 Desktop
[16:27] <DeltaHeavy> I'm talking OUT OF THE BOX
[16:27] <baordog> bazhang:  still doesn't work, same thing
[16:27] <DeltaHeavy> Not with 50'000 daemons running, god damn.
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: that is moot, OOTB is a nothing statement
[16:27] <escott> DeltaHeavy, thats not a fair comparison. ubuntu-desktop includes a word processor and windows home premium does not
[16:27] <DeltaHeavy> I'm talking about OPERATING SYSTEMS, not applications that run on top of the operating system then adding up ALL their resources usage.
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: who do you know wh ust installs an OS then leaves it exactly as it is>
[16:27] <RickZilla> Win7 doesn't come with anything in it
[16:28] <wdp_> escott, haha
[16:28] <bazhang> ActionParsnip, DeltaHeavy lets move on Please
[16:28] <RickZilla> ubuntu comes with a lot of apps already in it: apples/oranges
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> RickZilla: comes with a bit, a junk d burner and a half ass firewall :)
[16:28] <DeltaHeavy> If anybody wants to continue this conversation I'm in ##ubuntu-offtopic, also @RIckZilla: You can install IIS out of the box with Windows 7 running ASP.NET
[16:28] <RickZilla> But it sounds like the mods in here want the win7/ubuntu debate moved elsewhere
[16:28] <baordog> could it be an actual malfunction on the computer?
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: i will, the guy doesn't seem to know what he is on about and talks in generalities so faras to be meanigless
[16:29] <bazhang> baordog, thats doubtful
[16:29] <baordog> hmm what else is there?
[16:29] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: I think you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'mt alking about the Operating System sans all the other software you can throw on top of it.
[16:29] <baordog> did the checksum; file's clean
[16:29] <bazhang> baordog, what was the exact hash you had and checked against
[16:29] <DR01D-Engineer> im testing a website, will running the website in  ie6/7/8+ in wine show identical results than if i ran it on windows os? regarding bugs like css/html type stuff
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> DeltaHeavy: I've moved on already
[16:29] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:29] <DeltaHeavy> ActionParsnip: So I suggest before you bash somebody you actually either a) Work on your reading comprehension or b) Read what I'm saying with a little more effort.
[16:29] <ikonia> DeltaHeavy: sorry - not you
[16:29] <bazhang> baordog, ok thats good
[16:30] <ikonia> DR01D-Engineer: nothing to do with ubuntu
[16:30] <baordog> b4191c1d1d6fdf358c154f8bf86b97dd
[16:30] <ivan__> Добрый вечер! Есть тут кто-то?
[16:30] <bekks> !ru | ivan__
[16:30] <bazhang> baordog, and you said they matched
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> DR01D-Engineer: i'd use a virtual system for real testing
[16:30] <DeltaHeavy> DR01D-Engineer: Ask #web
[16:30] <DR01D-Engineer> ok thanks
[16:30] <wdp_> DR01D-Engineer, i had trouble gettinig ie8 to work in wine. there's some sort of ie8 replacement in wine if using that -> no. trying to install ie8 using winetricks the browser didn't work. I'd suggest use a virtual system for testing.
[16:30] <mega1> if i wright a script to install proftpd how would i get it to ans y to the install question
[16:30] <DR01D-Engineer> ok ill try a virtualthing
[16:30] <ikonia> mega1: look at "response files"
[16:31] <bazhang> baordog, just to be absolutely clear, this is a HDD drive, and not a flash stick?
[16:31] <baordog> bazhang: they match
[16:31] <escott> mega1, please don't use ftp. sftp can almost certainly do what you need if you just ask
[16:31] <baordog> it's a flash stick
[16:31] <bazhang> baordog, thats good, and this is a hdd and not a flash stick?
[16:31] <baordog> flash stick
[16:31] <bazhang> baordog, just cat the iso to the flash stick
[16:32] <baordog> cat?
[16:32] <bazhang> baordog, its a command
[16:32] <bazhang> cat ubuntu.iso > usb stick
[16:32] <escott> bazhang, i realize you could do that with cat, but wouldn't dd be safer
[16:32] <baordog> I'm on windows over here, not sure I have that command
[16:32] <bazhang> baordog, ah ok
[16:33] <baordog> been using yumi to mount it on the stick
[16:33] <zykotick9> escott: debian suggests using cat for hybridisos...
[16:33] <baordog> it's for a friend, he lost his HD and the operating system with it
[16:33] <bazhang> baordog, never heard of yumi, sorry.
[16:33] <DeltaHeavy> boardog: Are you trying to create a bootable USB?
[16:33] <baordog> yes
[16:33] <DeltaHeavy> baordog: I've used "unetbootin" with no issues.
[16:33] <escott> zykotick9, over dd? any reason why. seems strange to use cat for binaries
[16:33] <baordog> tried that first go round
[16:34] <DeltaHeavy> I've only used local .iso's though, not sure how well it's download feature is.
[16:34] <baordog> same thing as now
[16:34] <DeltaHeavy> boardog: What happens when you insert the USB and try to boot from it?
[16:34] <zykotick9> escott: i've asked about cat vs. dd before - i'm told the only real difference, might, be speed.
[16:34] <mega1> escott: what is sftp and why should i use it
[16:34] <baordog> I get the first line of text about a copy right
[16:34] <baordog> SYSLINUX
[16:34] <baordog> and nothing
[16:34] <FloodBot1> baordog: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:34] <baordog> gets stuck there
[16:34] <baordog> does nothing
[16:34] <zykotick9> escott: i used to use cat to create ISOs on a regular basis.  this is just the reverse ;)
[16:34] <DeltaHeavy> boardog: It looks like it's copying on alright, perhaps his hardware isn't supported?
[16:35] <RickZilla> I installed 12.10 alongside Win using a Live cd...how will I approach upgrading to the next ubuntu when it comes that time? will another Live CD recognize the partition and give me the option of writing over the older ubuntu?
[16:35] <escott> mega1, sftp is the openssh ftp module. the commands are ftp commands but its running over openssh. so its secure unlike ftp, and it uses only one port unlike ftp
[16:35] <baordog> He's got an HP pavillion laptop, doesn't look like anything exotic
[16:36] <mega1> how do i install it
[16:36] <DeltaHeavy> baordog: I find laptops can be troublesome sometimes. Try Googleing if somebody's gotten your specific distro running on that specific laptop build.
[16:36] <Nik05> yeats it looks like aa-status stopped and aptitude finished :S
[16:36] <escott> zykotick9, thats really strange. i realize nothing is supposed to interpret the stream between cat and the redirection, but i would worry that something might
[16:36] <escott> mega1, sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[16:36] <escott> mega1, which in and of itself is incredibly useful
[16:36] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, you could upgrade via the internet with the do-release-upgrade command , when the new release is official
[16:36] <baordog> I mean, it's ubunutu 12
[16:37] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: Thanks, I didn't know an upgrade like that was possible
[16:37] <DeltaHeavy> megal: Always try to use SFTP over FTP. It's a superior protocol for more than it just being secure. FTP is a legacy protocol.
[16:37] <baordog> so yes. Lots of people have ^_^
[16:37] <DeltaHeavy> Dat protocol OLD
[16:38] <mega1> what i was looking for was a way to write a script that would setup a server the way i wanted i wanted to get the script to install software and andwer the do you want to install question
[16:38] <DeltaHeavy> mega1: You could probably accomplish that with a bash script.
[16:38] <ikonia> mega1: yes, and I've told you, a response file
[16:39] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, when the the new release is official the packages are added to the repositories
[16:39] <escott> mega1, ftp servers are bad. your question about configuring services is unrelated to what you pick. you install the app and modify some files in /etc. thats all you do
[16:39] <links> is there a work around to make my private ip assigned by my isp public?
[16:40] <ikonia> links: like your 192. address ?
[16:40] <escott> !info ddclient | links and use a dynamic dns service
[16:40] <mega1> i do know they are unrelated and i just picked that install as an example
[16:41] <escott> mega1, well stop installing ftp servers anyways. someone will p0wn you bad one day
[16:41] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: So I'll be able to upgrade to 13.4 with just a command line
[16:41] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, 13.04 , yes
[16:42] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, are you on 12.10 ?
[16:42] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: and I'm assuming one has to do those upgrades in order
[16:42] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: yes
[16:42] <links> ikonia: apparently i was told the ip address given to me 103.11.50.5 is a dynamic private ip and there is no way to connect to my computer outside the home network. I've been trying to find a work around
[16:42] <RickZilla> debated between that and 12.4 since 12.4 was LTS
[16:42] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, your logic is correct :)
[16:43] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: k, glad I went with 12.10 then
[16:44] <DeltaHeavy> Is Ubuntu's feature to upgrade to the newer versions stable and working nicely now? I remember back in 8.04 when it wasn't rec commended at all.
[16:44] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, LTS is different , one can upgrade from one LTS directly to the next LTS
[16:44] <TandyUK> links: i could understand that ip beong on your router, but nor assigned to one of your pcs unless you have a subnet, inwhich case you wouldnt be here askign about it
[16:44] <baordog> DeltaHeavy:  any ideas? I'm kind of at a loss
[16:45] <TandyUK> 103.11.50.5 is not a private ip (private ips are 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x - 172.31.x.x and 192.168.x.x)
[16:45] <DeltaHeavy> baordog: What's the Laptop full model name?
[16:45] <JPMH> links: Your address is accssible - the probbale issue is that when requests come in the router has no idea where to send them, you need to set port forwarding
[16:45] <baordog> I don't know off the top of myhead
[16:45] <TandyUK> ah he needs to setup port forawrding then
[16:45] <DeltaHeavy> TandyUK: Technically a private IP could be anything thanks to NAT :p
[16:46] <TandyUK> DeltaHeavy: no private ips are as defined by rfc1918
[16:46] <TandyUK> outside the ranges i mentioned, it is not a private ip (not that it would stop you assigning one to a local pc behind a firewall though)
[16:46] <DeltaHeavy> What, that's new to me. I've seen all sorts of obscure one's though like 142.* but I guess those are reccommended private IP's?
[16:46] <TandyUK> no anything outside the 3 ranges i posted isa public ip
[16:47] <DeltaHeavy> You can still use those IP's as private IP's though right? By private IP you mean a network range that sits on the LAN?
[16:47] <TandyUK> no you need to understand what "private ip" means
[16:47] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: not really
[16:47] <TandyUK> private means a router will not try to route it over the public internet
[16:47] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: there are a certain range of well-defined networks
[16:48] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: these are *specifically* excluded from being forwarded to the wider Internet
[16:48] <TandyUK> nothing to do with the pc it is assigned to
[16:48] <DeltaHeavy> TandyUK: But those are probably pre-configured home routers like Linksys and D-Link right? When dealing with things like CISCO routers it's all a matter of your routes?
[16:48] <JPMH> links: is all that you want to do is get access to your home machine from outside?
[16:49] <TandyUK> if you have a cisco router, chances are you have an assigned block of public ips to use
[16:49] <TandyUK> but the router really doesnt matter
[16:49] <TandyUK> read up on RFC1918
[16:49] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: they're defined in RFC1918, but basically 10.x.x.x, 172.16.x.x to 172.31.x.x and 192.168.x.x are all private networks
[16:49] <DeltaHeavy> TandyUK: Ok thanks, I think there's something I'm not understanding here.
[16:49] <TandyUK> oh the penny drops
[16:49] <TandyUK> lol
[16:49] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: what are you not understanding?
[16:50] <TandyUK> basic subnetting from the sounds of things :P
[16:50] <escott> DeltaHeavy, not exactly. if I tried to make 8.8.8.8 a private ip behind a NAT anyone on my subnet would be very frustrated to not find google DNS at 8.8.8.8
[16:50] <JPMH> gordonjcp: I did not check but I thought they were defined as "non routable" rather than private
[16:51] <TandyUK> they are very routable JPMH
[16:51] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: For instance I know a public place that assigns all it's computer a 142.* address for internal computers. I've also played around using IP's that differ from those. I was pretty sure you could use any damn address you want in your LAN as long as your routing/NAT is set up to support it.
[16:51] <TandyUK> otherwise we would have big problems trying to do things like vpn's
[16:51] <TandyUK> DeltaHeavy: that just means that tey have a large public assignment in the 142. range
[16:51] <escott> DeltaHeavy, you can use any address so long as you are willing to break access to the wider internet
[16:52] <gordonjcp> JPMH: "non-routable" is more correct, yes
[16:52] <TandyUK> most people get 1 single ip assigned to their router, which then does nat
[16:52] <RickZilla> BluesKaj: How far apart are LTS's released?
[16:52] <DeltaHeavy> TandyUK: Even though it's ~2'500+ internal computers for userland use?
[16:52] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: if the computer has an address that starts 142.<something> then it may well be globally accessible
[16:52] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: it doesn't have to be though
[16:52] <JPMH> I have seen a lot of people use the 25.x.x.x range too since they are assigned to the UK DoD and they do not make then available to the outside world - I don;t know why people do it though when there are the 10.x.x.x and the other mentioned above available
[16:52] <TandyUK> large companies often have blocks of 64+ ips whcih they can assign idividually to pcs inside or outside the building
[16:53] <James_Carter> hello?
[16:53] <DeltaHeavy> I think I understand what you guys are saying though now. The IT at the place does suck gigantically. All the playing around I've done has been in CISCO packet tracer and isolated networking rooms.
[16:53] <DeltaHeavy> But yeah, escott's 8.8.8.8 example made it click.
[16:53] <TandyUK> James_Carter: goodbye?
[16:54] <James_Carter> lol
[16:54] <yhusha> are changes made to an iso made in real time to the image in a live enviroment
[16:54] <TandyUK> yhusha: an iso is read only, so no
[16:54] <James_Carter> im tryin out new IRC and didnt kno if it worked
[16:54] <DeltaHeavy> yhusha: No, the live disk is read-only.
[16:54] <BluesKaj> RickZilla, every 2 yrs
[16:55] <TandyUK> James_Carter: no it doesnt ;)
[16:55] <James_Carter> lol i see that ;)
[16:55] <yhusha> yea but its being edited via terminal chroot sessions and what not mounted it moved things around and so on
[16:55] <James_Carter> anyone have link to all (or most) linux distros?
[16:56] <TandyUK> yhusha: thats the unionfs? file system
[16:56] <gordonjcp> DeltaHeavy: where it gets fun is when you set up VPNs and you *do* route RFC1918 addresses ;-)
[16:56] <yhusha> its not a live disk but an iso file on hdd
[16:56] <DeltaHeavy> gordonjcp: Ugh, knowing that now that's going to make VLAN's a lot more fun to hammer out :p
[16:56] <yhusha> yes well before the squashfs was 666 mb before these edits now its almost 700
[16:57] <yeats> Nik05: interesting - so it just needed a long time to chew on it - does your system look ok?
[16:57] <lujz> hello, years ago, i did dowload of book from google book by cache of firefox, i'm trying now and this don't works, i can not find png or gif in cache... can you hep me?
[16:57] <lujz> about http://books.google.com.br/books?id=TZi5Ecmu5mgC&pg=PA50&dq=ivan+el+imbecil&hl=pt-BR&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
[16:57] <yeats> !illegal | lujz
[16:58] <Haffe> !o4o
[16:59] <escott> James_Carter, distrowatch has a fairly comprehensive list
[16:59] <yeats> James_Carter: what escott said (was gonna share that myself)
[16:59] <James_Carter> lol..ok well how bout a list of recent releases?
[16:59] <escott> James_Carter, maybe if you went to distrowatch first...
[17:00] <James_Carter> ahh ok cool thnx
[17:00] <darkham> hi, how can i look if my nvidia fx 5900 is 3d on?
[17:00] <James_Carter> oh and if i want to replace ubuntu with a new OS would i go about it same as i did with ubuntu to replace windows?
[17:01] <escott> darkham, check the output of glxinfo. the vendor and renderer strings glxinfo | grep -i vendor
[17:01] <escott> James_Carter, yes a reinstall
[17:01] <DeltaHeavy> James_Carter: Pretty much yes, although different distros may use different installation software.
[17:01] <James_Carter> and it will remove ubuntu?
[17:01] <escott> James_Carter, if you do ask it to
[17:01] <DeltaHeavy> James_Cater: Do you understand hardrive partitions?
[17:02] <kanop> I've just updated my system and... unity and compiz crash, can't get either to work. currently I'm logged in from irssi. :X
[17:02] <James_Carter> not really
[17:02] <kanop> any suggestions?
[17:02] <darkham> escott, i've ever Nvidia Corporation for server client and opengl, but if i run ubuntu with a 2d desktop, all aright, if i try to run unity or gnome with 3d on, i've only the pointer and a blank screen
[17:03] <Xotix> Just did sudo cp a file in apache2/sites-available which worked but i get the msg sudo: unable to resolve host restart, what's that?
[17:03] <escott> Xotix, sounds like your hostname is messed up. did you mess with /etc/hostname
[17:03] <DeltaHeavy> James_Carter: When you install an OS you need to install it onto a partition. You can have 4 partitions with 4 different OS's on them and you can pick which one to boot at startup. You probably gave Ubuntu 1 partition the entire length of the hardrive. You can shrink that partition and install a new one or just delete it and make a new one.
[17:03] <escott> Xotix, or /etc/hosts
[17:03] <yeats> James_Carter: you might want to do some web searches on dual booting
[17:04] <yeats> or multibooting
[17:04] <James_Carter> so partitionis like multiboot?
[17:04] <darkham> escott, i've proper installed the nvidia proprietary
[17:04] <Nik05> yeats i think someone killed aa-status :P
[17:04] <James_Carter> i rather have one OS for whole HD
[17:04] <DeltaHeavy> James_Carter: The "partitioning" was done when you had all those options about "install Ubuntu alongside another OS", "Custom", "Delete everything and install Ubuntu".
[17:04] <Xotix> escott tried to rename hostname yes
[17:04] <Nik05> But the system is still working, except for aa-status
[17:04] <escott> darkham, i avoid nvidia so i dont have much to say about it
[17:04] <DeltaHeavy> James_Carter: It'll be easy as pie then
[17:04] <James_Carter> oh ok...
[17:04] <yeats> Nik05: huh - so you're not the only admin of the server?
[17:04] <Nik05> correct :p
[17:04] <James_Carter> ight thnx...if i need help ill let ya kno
[17:04] <escott> Xotix, well you did that wrong. /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname are probably out of sync. you will have to boot to recovery and fix that up
[17:04] <James_Carter> oh hoiw do i format a usb on ubuntu?
[17:04] <escott> !hostname | Xotix verify steps against
[17:05] <yeats> James_Carter: try using virtualbox to test other distros
[17:05] <Nik05> yeats was asking around and well decided to kill it
[17:05] <James_Carter> i may...too much troubke tho lol
[17:05] <escott> Xotix, nevermind thought that would give a link rather than just say "check they match"
[17:05] <Nik05> Now i need to find out why its hanging
[17:05] <yeats> Nik05: yeah - hopefully that debugging link will help
[17:05] <Alice_linux> Hello Genius, how do I clone my entire linux partition?
[17:05] <Xotix> escott thanks
[17:06] <escott> Alice_linux, clone for what purpose?
[17:06] <Alice_linux> back everything up including the apps
[17:06] <escott> Alice_linux, backup meaning?
[17:06] <darkham> escott, ok
[17:06] <escott> !clone | Alice_linux there is this
[17:06] <Nik05> yes thanks yeats
[17:06] <escott> Alice_linux, that doesn't get application configs which should be restricted to /etc and $HOME. if you have something like mysql it will put files in /var
[17:07] <Alice_linux> i have paid apps that is not from linux
[17:07] <Xotix> :q
[17:07] <Alice_linux> they are quite big
[17:07] <zykotick9> Alice_linux: if you are using 64bit ubuntu, i'm not sure you should follow !clone
[17:07] <escott> Alice_linux, well where are they from?
[17:07] <waqs> hi all
[17:07] <waqs> managed to get ubuntu working on my chromebook 550
[17:07] <Alice_linux> from IT guy
[17:07] <waqs> does anyone here have the same machine?
[17:07] <Alice_linux> so how to clone my entire linxu partition?
[17:08] <kanop> I've just updated my system and... unity and compiz crash, can't get either to work... help?
[17:08] <yeats> Alice_linux: look into clonezilla
[17:08] <escott> Alice_linux, then i would put IT guy in a box. punch some air holes you don't want IT guy to suffocate, feed and water daily
[17:08] <georges> Alice_linux: dowlod clonezilla and make a bootable CD- then you can boot to the CD and create images of any/all partitions or the entire disk if you preffer
[17:08] <waqs> everything works great except the trackpad its quite erratic, but I'm not sure who manufactured it
[17:08] <Nik05> but yeats no denied logs in kern.log
[17:08] <Alice_linux> thank you
[17:08] <Nik05> so still not sure why aa-status is hanging
[17:08] <yeats> Nik05: hmm
[17:09] <yeats> you might rule out external factors - hardware issues, etc.  If you visit the server see if there are any console messages
[17:10] <simplew> i have 2 kernels installed, and to change bootsplash i did run "sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth" and "sudo update-initramfs -u"  but i continue with the same bootsplash, alreadu did this 2 times, any hint?
[17:10] <Xotix> escott i included the old name into hosts. the msg isn't showing up now but this isn't a real fix is it? why do i have to add both names to hosts?
[17:11] <Nik05> yeats tomorrow morning i will
[17:11] <Nik05> dont have an access card for in the weekend :P
[17:11] <escott> Xotix, the old name shouldn't be needed in /etc/hosts, only the new name. unless some part of the system still thinks it has the old name
[17:11] <yeats> gotcha
[17:11] <escott> Xotix, without knowing what those files look like its hard to say what is wrong. if you want to pastebin.com them
[17:12] <yhusha> how to regenerate an initrd  in a live enviroment
[17:12] <escott> yhusha, update-initramfs
[17:12] <escott> !chroot | yhusha
[17:13] <yhusha> apt-get update-initramfs?
[17:13] <yhusha> yes this is the task
[17:14] <ripthejacker> :)
[17:15] <escott> yhusha, update-initramfs is part of the base system. you just need to chroot into the installed system and run it
[17:15] <clarz> Hi all. Why my lxpanel settings (fast launcher) always reset after reloading? All my added apps are cleared? Lubuntu 12.04
[17:15] <ripthejacker> :)
[17:15] <ripthejacker> hello
[17:16] <escott> ripthejacker, 501 HELO requires domain address
[17:16] <Nik05> so see you tomorrow
[17:16] <Nik05> oh and yeats would you reboot with this problem?
[17:16] <Nik05> or could this make it worse?
[17:17] <ripthejacker> how to use drag and drop in ubuntu?
[17:17] <ripthejacker> 12.04?
[17:17] <emx> i installed ubuntu (the second time, not expert mode). when i boot up nouveau tells me about some fails and i can't do anything (no console to log in, no gui). why is it nouveau and not nvidia-drivers? what now?
[17:17] <escott> !details | ripthejacker
[17:17] <escott> !nomodeset | emx
[17:17] <yhusha> this is how far along things are and it now requires regeneration of the initrd: http://pastebin.com/yj3xRK5U
[17:18] <escott> yhusha, you clearly don't understand chroot
[17:18] <yhusha> following a tutorial
[17:19] <escott> yhusha, you don't want to do ANYTHING at all with the casper image
[17:19] <escott> yhusha, give me a moment to write the commands you need
[17:19] <ripthejacker> i have a problem with ubuntu window management, Im running ubuntu version 12.04 . When i try to use drag and drop which is a commmon feature in other OS , it doesn't happen
[17:19] <yhusha> ok
[17:19] <DarwinSurvivor> yhusha: when asking for help on a problem encountered while following a tutorial, please post a link to the tutorial. it can make a world of difference!
[17:20] <emx> escott, the grub boot screen is readable. i also see some openrc messages (starting mysql, starting apache...) and of course the fail messages. but i can't do anything. no login prompt, no ctrl-alt-del...
[17:20] <yhusha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[17:20] <emx> now it worked
[17:20] <yhusha> skipped a few parts of it like the dist-upgrade
[17:21] <Xotix> escott of course. http://pastebin.com/ehtyV0p3
[17:21] <ripthejacker> please help me im not able to use drag and drop in ubuntu 12.04
[17:22] <georges> ripthejacker: what are you trying to drag-drop? from where to where?
[17:22] <escott> yhusha, http://pastebin.com/mHSswkjQ
[17:23] <emx> escott, it must be the graphics card driver. i see the boot splash screen and suddenly "GPU lockup - switching to software fbcon". can i choose a different gfx driver?
[17:23] <escott> Xotix, /etc/hosts is wrong. you CANNOT have two names for the same ip. the second should be 127.0.1.1
[17:23] <emx> or boot into console...
[17:23] <emx> or rescue
[17:23] <ripthejacker> georges: from nautilus to gimp or from nautilus to any app
[17:24] <yhusha> so from there just continue with the tutorial?
[17:24] <escott> emx, probably easiest to boot to livecd, chroot in (see http://pastebin.com/mHSswkjQ or !chroot) and then install nvidia drivers
[17:24] <ashleyludlow> meow
[17:24] <escott> emx, if you can get to console at rescue that would also work
[17:25] <Xotix> escott oh, ups. thanks
[17:25] <DarwinSurvivor> escott: Xotix: you most certainly CAN have 2 hostnames for the same ip, just put them on 1 line
[17:25] <escott> yhusha, once you are properly chrooted you can do your update-initramfs as needed (and can omit any sudos since you are root)
[17:25] <escott> DarwinSurvivor, well you aren't supposed to in /etc/hosts. some applications do not like it
[17:26] <DarwinSurvivor> escott: most distros have 2 or 3 names tied to 127.0.0.1 by default (localhost & localhost.localdomain)
[17:27] <bipul> why ubuntu is monolitic kernel uses why not microkernel?
[17:27] <ashleyludlow> is lauhpad down right now?
[17:27] <escott> DarwinSurvivor, issue is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=316099
[17:27] <DarwinSurvivor> bipul: because it uses Linux which is a monolithic kernel
[17:27] <ashleyludlow> "launchpad
[17:27] <escott> bipul, because
[17:27] <bipul> Microkernels used by whom ?
[17:28] <nynex> I wonder can anyone help me with a usb hardrive problem? I seem to have somehow set it to be read only, how do I undo this?
[17:29] <ripthejacker> georges: how to do that drag and drop files from nautilus to any app eg. gimp
[17:29] <Dougie187> For any apport experts: Two questions. First) How do I force apport to generate a crash report for a program? Second) Does apport generate a crash report for every program? or only specific ones?
[17:29] <escott> nynex, can you pastebin.com the output of "mount"
[17:29] <escott> Dougie187, it won't generate a crash for a program that is not in apt. now sure how it knows which to generate for
[17:29] <nynex> escott, /dev/sda5 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[17:29] <nynex> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[17:29] <nynex> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[17:29] <nynex> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[17:29] <nynex> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[17:29] <nynex> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[17:29] <FloodBot1> nynex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:29] <Dougie187> Ok
[17:30] <bipul> escott, are you saying something to me
[17:30] <emx> escott, i managed to chroot to my last install. what do i need to do to remove nouveau (and any other gfx modules) and to install nvidia (and to have X configured)
[17:30] <escott> bipul, you asked a question. was giving the answer. "because" thats about it
[17:30] <bipul> oh ok
[17:31] <escott> emx, install nvidia-common maybe. i have no idea. buy an ATI card would be my recommendation
[17:31] <ripthejacker> please some please tell me how to drag and drop files across various apps
[17:31] <escott> ripthejacker, click and hold. drag. then release
[17:31] <ashleyludlow> anyone? i cant get launchpad.net to come up. i can get the login.launchpad.net, but i cant see my profile page or ..anything..
[17:31] <DarwinSurvivor> escott: if you want to know why Linux is monolithic, ask in #linux. if you want to know why ubuntu uses Linux, ask in #ubuntu-offtopic as that is the channel for research questions
[17:32] <escott> DarwinSurvivor, bipul was asking
[17:32] <DarwinSurvivor> whoops
[17:32] <DarwinSurvivor> bipul: ^
[17:32] <bipul> yes Dartellum
[17:32] <bipul> sory DarwinSurvivor
[17:32] <Hank__> Printer issue help?  When I print to a network printer using any browser (Firefox / Chrome tested) there is a several hour delay for printing.  But printing from any other application works instantly (like normal).  Any ideas?
[17:33] <nynex> sorry escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405200/
[17:33] <Hank__> I've been Googling and searching forums like a madman.
[17:33] <escott> nynex, is it /media/THINGs or /media/WINDOWS that is the problem
[17:33] <nynex> media/things
[17:34] <nynex> it is a usb externall hdd. it seems to work under windows and only just stopped working, I wasn't changing any settings unless i pressed something by mistake.
[17:34] <kiwi940> Does anyone here know the inner worings of the globalmenu?
[17:34] <escott> nynex, that should be ok for you. can you paste the following: "ls -l /media/THINGS; id; touch /media/THINGS/test"
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> !ask| kiwi940
[17:35] <emx> where is aptitude?
[17:35] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: if you type "id" in terminal, what uid does it say you are?
[17:35] <emx> (the binary, in the filesystem)
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> emx  better use apt-get, not aptitude
[17:35] <emx> MonkeyDust, where is apt-get in the filesystem?
[17:35] <DarwinSurvivor> emx type "which aptitude"
[17:35] <escott> Hank__, perhaps the job isn't being flushed to the printer. in your browser go to http://localhost:631 and check the queue
[17:36] <nynex> escott, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405206/
[17:36] <Hank__> escott:  Copy.  Checking.
[17:36] <ripthejacker> escott: but when i try to do that from one folder to another it doesn't work it just opens a new window of home folder
[17:36] <emx> DarwinSurvivor, not in the search paths
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> emx  in /usr/bin
[17:36] <yhusha> so does this require starting from scratch
[17:36] <yhusha> the pastebin
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> emx  type whereis apt-get
[17:37] <kiwi940> Sorry. How would I go about making a globalmenu plugin in python? I have an xcb window ID. Where should I go from here?
[17:37] <nynex> DawnSurvivor, ben@alpha-1520:~$ id
[17:37] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: "ls -l /media/"
[17:37] <nynex> uid=1000(ben) gid=1000(ben) groups=1000(ben),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),124(sambashare)
[17:37] <MonkeyDust> kiwi940  there's also #python
[17:37] <escott> nynex, guessing that it needs an fsck. try "udisks --unmount /media/THINGS; sudo fsck /dev/sdb1; udisks --mount /media/THINGS"
[17:38] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: ok, id looks good. wanted to make sure it wasn't mounted by a different user
[17:38] <nynex> DawnSurvivor, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405210/
[17:39] <kiwi940> MonkeyDust, I'll try there too. I thought somebody might know the api calls here.
[17:39] <nynex> escott, which option do i choose here?
[17:39] <nynex> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405213/
[17:39] <david_> I just want to thank everyone for helping me get my xubuntu sound working
[17:40] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: that looks good as well. if you haven't tried unmount and remounting, try that. otherwise go with escott's fsck command
[17:40] <emx> how do i query the package name for nvidia-driver? is there another program to query the package-db?
[17:40] <escott> nynex, cannot say for sure. there is corruption in the filesystem. changes you make in fsck will make it consistent but may delete files you might need
[17:40] <nynex> thanks, DawnSurvivor
[17:41] <nynex> escott, its nothing too important, minor annoyance if i lost the data tbh, nothing crucial in there
[17:41] <yhusha> root@yhusha-AOD260:/# mount --bind /dev /ubuntu/dev;
[17:41] <yhusha> mount: mount point /ubuntu/dev does not exist
[17:41] <nynex> which would you choose?
[17:41] <Hank__> escott:  When I browse the CUPS admin, under jobs, the job is still processing.  Any ideas?
[17:41] <yhusha> ^^escot
[17:42] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: it'a saying boot sector. if it's not a boot drive (doesn't have an operating system on it), that error should be inconsequencial
[17:42] <escott> nynex, for now 3. take backups of any important files on there, then just pick one. also make sure it got unmounted. it looks like it wasn't unmounted by the udisks command. you can eject it from nautilus
[17:42] <escott> yhusha, then /dev/sda1 was incorrect
[17:43] <yhusha> lets see root is sda6 and home is sda7
[17:43] <emx> how do i start the network in rescue mode?
[17:43] <emx> wrong question
[17:43] <escott> yhusha, do you have any other ubuntu partitions?
[17:43] <emx> how do i enable name lookups?
[17:44] <Hank__> escott:  FYI - the job is < 700K.
[17:44] <escott> DarwinSurvivor, but thats just the first error there could be others
[17:44] <yhusha> no just seperate partitions for /boot, /, and for /home
[17:44] <escott> Hank__, that doesn't mean much. a small file can require a LOT of processing. postscript is itself a full programming language
[17:44] <escott> yhusha, so by "no" you actually mean "yes"
[17:44] <yhusha> ok
[17:44] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: if you use gparted you should be able to check for error flags. linux mounts corrupted  windows read-only to prevent further corruption
[17:45] <nynex> um, unmounting and then remounting seems to have fixed it. i can now copy files across. No idea how that happened, but thanks very much for all your help both of you
[17:45] <DarwinSurvivor> escott: very true
[17:45] <escott> yhusha, you need to "sudo umount /ubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda6 /ubuntu; sudo mount /dev/sda# /ubuntu/boot" replacing # with the number for "/boot"
[17:45] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: no problem. might want to check the flags in gparted and sun fsck just to be sure though
[17:46] <escott> yhusha, you can skip /home thats not needed for chroot
[17:46] <DarwinSurvivor> *run
[17:46] <Hank__> escott: I hear ya on PS.  I'm still unsure why its taking so long though because I can print a multipage document from any application other than a web browser and it will start printing immediately.
[17:47] <nynex> thanks :) i'll give that a whirl
[17:47] <escott> Hank__, hard to say without looking at the document. you could try printing to ps/pdf and then opening in evince and printing there. see if that makes a difference
[17:48] <bekks> Hank__: I have a document here, 138kB in size, which containts about 55900 pages. No kidding.
[17:49] <Hank__> bekks:  I'm printing one page from Gawker as a test.  One image and some text.
[17:50] <Scall> Hello, with "Ubuntu for Android" is possibile to install all Ubuntu Applications? (for example Libre Office, xchat, console emulators like zsnes, pcsxr, games like SuperTuxKart)
[17:50] <popcorn_> Hi, I just did a clean install of Ubuntu 12.10
[17:50] <popcorn_> but am facing some issues
[17:50] <popcorn_> can someone help here?
[17:51] <Seeker> hello
[17:51] <jarco> Hello, i am looking for a linux alternative to YAMM(yet another media  manager) The only function I need is the one that renames the movies to a proper name. Any suggestions?
[17:51] <bekks> !ask | popcorn_
[17:51] <James_Carter> can anyone tell me how to install linux distro using the torrent iso?
[17:51] <Seeker> can someone help a noob get up ubuntu running?
[17:51] <yhusha> now that theres a root prompt "inside" the installed system on /dev/sda1 where to pick up the work that was done?
[17:51] <ACP1> w00t i learned how to IRC lol
[17:52] <emx> how come i can't execute this in a rescue console? echo "nameserver foobar" > /etc/resolv.conf
[17:52] <robbie> On my 12.10 box I have lots my failsafe entry in grub. How can I add it back?
[17:52] <emx> how can i setup up dns?!?
[17:52] <robbie> *I have lost it
[17:52] <robbie> emx use sudo
[17:52] <robbie> emx: sudo echo "nameserver foobar" > /etc/resolv.conf
[17:52] <bekks> robbie: That wont work.
[17:52] <popcorn_> I installed the Adobe flash plugin and videos are working on Youtube. Sound is working too. However, videos on sites such as gorillavid do not play. The video shows loading and the video scroller goes gray as soon as it loads without ever loading. How it would show if the whole video would have played. Any idea how to fix this? It worked fine on ubuntu 10.04 that I had installed earlier.
[17:53] <robbie> bekks: why?
[17:53] <bekks> robbie: sudo will have no effect on >
[17:53] <bekks> robbie: Try it yourself :)
[17:53] <robbie> bekks: ooh yea
[17:53] <emx> roobie, whoami -> root
[17:53] <robbie> emx: sudo bash -c "echo 'nameserver foobar' > /etc/resolv.conf"
[17:53] <emx> i just found out it's a link
[17:53] <DarwinSurvivor> robbie: use echo text here | sudo tee filename
[17:53] <emx> pointing to a directory that doesn't exist
[17:53] <Seeker> i have win 8 and tried to install ubuntu on a seperate partition with the ubuntu windows installer and nothing happens
[17:53] <bekks> robbie: Why not just using sudo tee instead?
[17:53] <robbie> DarwinSurvivor: or bash -c works too
[17:54] <DarwinSurvivor> tee -a will append like >>
[17:54] <zykotick9> robbie: fyi on 12.10 resolv.conf probably isn't the file you want anyways.  and sudo isn't required when you are root ;)
[17:54] <James_Carter> how do u use the torrent iso for OS installation?
[17:54] <emx> network is up (made by the rescue thingy) but obviously ubuntu needs initialisation, too. how do i start a network interface?
[17:54] <Seeker> at start i can choose win 8 or ubuntu, when i choose ubuntu its stuck in grub
[17:54] <robbie> bekks: because zykotick9 thats not my issue it is emx
[17:54] <popcorn_> !patience
[17:54] <stigarn> Is the zsh-dev package stable for evereyday use i mean it is the same version as stable zsh but its called dev in the repos so?
[17:54] <yhusha> was this how to bind mout some special filesystem: udo mount --bind /dev /ubuntu/dev;
[17:54] <yhusha> sudo mount --bind /sys /ubuntu/sys;
[17:54] <yhusha> sudo mount --bind /proc /ubuntu/proc;
[17:54] <robbie> zykotick9: thats not my issue it is emx
[17:55] <DarwinSurvivor> robbie: the real reason it fails is probably because / is mounted read-only in the recovery console
[17:55] <bekks> robbie: But you were the one presenting weired approaches to solve his problem ;)
[17:55] <zykotick9> robbie: sorry.  emx see my statement above re 12.10 and resolv.conf
[17:55] <emx> zykotick9, how on earth is /etc/resolv.conf not the file defining the nameservers?!?
[17:55] <robbie> bekks: there's nothing weird about bash
[17:55] <yhusha> qurg an s on udo
[17:55] <zykotick9> emx: not in 12.10
[17:55] <emx> OMG
[17:55] <bekks> popcorn_: Which Ubuntu do you use?
[17:55] <emx> so i cant add a nemserver?
[17:55] <popcorn_> 12.10
[17:55] <emx> so i can't use 12.10
[17:55] <emx> so i remove the system?
[17:56] <bekks> emx: You can add a nameserver.
[17:56] <DarwinSurvivor> emx in modern distros resolv.conf is overwriten by which-ever network manager you use
[17:56] <zykotick9> emx: you can, it's just a diffferent file.  /etc/network/interfaces i believe
[17:56] <bekks> emx: Why do you think you cant?
[17:56] <robbie> emx you can do that, just that if you later change the settings through the interface it will overwrite
[17:56] <stigarn> Is the zsh-dev package stable for evereyday use i mean it is the same version as stable zsh but its called dev in the repos so?
[17:56] <yhusha> can't the version just be rolled back...
[17:56] <emx> bekks, no answer to one of the simplest questions...
[17:56] <emx> robbie, i don't care as long as i can install that bloody nvidia driver
[17:56] <Seeker> anyone?
[17:57] <emx> but i can't do if i have no nameserver
[17:57] <Hank__> escott: You are correct.  I take the same source material and print to PDF and then attempt to print that and the job continues to show "Processing" without end.  The same job can be printed to a local printer no problem.
[17:57] <robbie> emx: heh :) so do it, it will work for a while
[17:57] <emx> and i don't know which networkmanager the standard-install is using
[17:57] <bekks> Seeker: Then repair your grub installation.
[17:57] <bekks> !grub2 | Seeker
[17:57] <DarwinSurvivor> Seeker: has it worked before or is this a fresh install?
[17:57] <Lynzabbel> guys, my apt-get update is 3 hours long, is it normal?
[17:57] <almoxarife> emx: the standard install uses 'networkmanager'
[17:57] <fresco> !ciao
[17:57] <robbie> bekks: thanks, that was the link I was looking for for my question too
[17:57] <Lynzabbel> and still running until now
[17:58] <escott> Lynzabbel, no. ctrl-c it
[17:58] <fresco> ciao a tutti
[17:58] <robbie> fesco cual idioma?
[17:58] <robbie> !it > fresco
[17:58] <popcorn_> bekks: I am using 12.10, the newest ubuntu
[17:58] <Seeker> i have windows 8, and tried to use the ubuntu windows installer, but it did not install correctly or something
[17:58] <fresco> !list
[17:58] <emx> almoxarife, how do i use it?
[17:58] <Hank__> escott: The same problem exists with attempting to print either large document to the network printer, but not the local printer.  Any ideas how to get network printing to work in a timely fashion?
[17:58] <Lynzabbel> escott: its cancelled now
[17:58] <krabador> hi people, how can i remove NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.36, for trying the nvidia-current package on ubuntu 12.10?
[17:58] <robbie> what's the language redirect syntax?
[17:58] <Lynzabbel> But how do i get it to run properly?
[17:58] <stigarn> Is the zsh-dev package stable for evereyday use i mean it is the same version as stable zsh but its called dev in the repos so?
[17:58] <robbie> !it fresco
[17:58] <DarwinSurvivor> Seeker: you mean wubi?
[17:58] <Seeker> yes
[17:59] <escott> Lynzabbel, depends on why it hangs. is it just a slow network?
[17:59] <Lynzabbel> it always stops at Get:18
[17:59] <almoxarife> emx: do you mean 'how do i make changes?' because you are/should be using 'it' by default
[17:59] <Lynzabbel> Nope, my internet is fine
[17:59] <DarwinSurvivor> sorry, i've never used it, perhaps someone who has can help you
[17:59] <escott> stigarn, no. it is for people who want to build against zsh
[17:59] <Seeker> when i choose ubuntu at start it just loads grub and is stuck there
[17:59] <Lynzabbel> My computer is not sluggish
[17:59] <iceroot> stigarn: a dev-package is a package which contains libaries, headers and so on which are needed to build the binary
[17:59] <puR0> hallo
[17:59] <nynex> back again, have some more issues... again with the usb disk
[17:59] <nynex> what does Error splicing file: Input/output error mean?
[17:59] <iceroot> stigarn: it has nothing to do with beta, unstable or something like that
[17:59] <robbie> fresco: Penso che si possa andare in #ubuntu-it
[17:59] <stigarn> iceroot: ok so how do i get latest zsh the easiest way? :)
[17:59] <iceroot> stigarn: sudo apt-get install zsh
[17:59] <escott> nynex, hardware is failing in some way
[17:59] <yhusha> gksu gedit /casper/chroot/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/casper
[17:59] <yhusha> No protocol specified
[18:00] <robbie> !ubuntu-it
[18:00] <emx> almoxarife, my ubuntu is booted by the rescue system (probably using chroot). it can't resolve domain names to ips. how do i make it resolve domain names?
[18:00] <robbie> I give up
[18:00] <escott> yhusha, stop messing around with casper
[18:00] <yhusha> its part of the tutorial
[18:01] <yhusha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BootToRAM
[18:01] <hnbn> hello
[18:01] <escott> yhusha, you were trying to update the initramfs of an installed system correct?
[18:01] <yhusha> no on an iso
[18:01] <popcorn_> I installed the Adobe flash plugin and videos are working on Youtube. Sound is working too. However, videos on sites such as gorillavid do not play. The video shows loading and the video scroller goes gray as soon as I click play without the video ever loading - how it would show if the whole video would have played. Any idea how to fix this?
[18:01] <newroad> hallo everyone, anyone know why I might be having a problem where Borderlands always opens at 640 x 480, even if the resolution is set to 1920 x 1080 in the ini file? and if I try to manuall set the resolution in gme, the game crashes? I have a support thread on the POL forums where I posted my error logs: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-9029.html
[18:01] <iceroot> robbie: put your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf (it will be overwritten by the next boot)
[18:01] <yhusha> everythin done is on that tutorial
[18:01] <DarwinSurvivor> emx can you pastebin ifconfig; ip route; cat /etc/resolv.con
[18:01] <escott> yhusha, ok then nevermind
[18:01] <almoxarife> emx: you are using livecd then?
[18:02] <iceroot> robbie: ah wrong nick
[18:02] <DarsVaeda> how do I list all installed packages with a filter? I want to remove all webapps
[18:02] <newroad> i see this in the logs: fixme:d3d:swapchain_init Add OpenGL context recreation support to context_validate_onscreen_formats
[18:02] <emx> DarwinSurvivor, it all boils down to /etc/resolv.conf but as someone said in 12.10 there is no resolv.conf
[18:02] <emx> i got an ip address
[18:02] <iceroot> emx: /etc/resolv.conf put thereyour nameserver (it will be overwritten by the next boot or hook via networkmanager)
[18:02] <emx> i got an ipv6 address, i have a broadcast ip, as subnet mask
[18:03] <emx> iceroot, it is a symlink to a directory that doesn't exist
[18:03] <Dougie187> Does anyone know if mint uses apport?
[18:03] <iceroot> emx: ipv6 does not have subnet and broadcast-adrresses
[18:03] <iceroot> !mint | Dougie187
[18:03] <Dougie187> :P k, thanks
[18:03] <iceroot> emx: not like ipv4, its different on ipv6
[18:04] <popcorn_> Looks like it's time to find another distribution, if such basic things have stopped working on Ubuntu. I should have never upgraded.
[18:04] <nynex> ive not used fsck before how do i run this just on /media/things
[18:04] <iceroot> popcorn_: and what is not working?
[18:04] <yhusha> this should show the whole package list # dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | less
[18:04] <Seeker> @DarwinSurvivor so what do i do now
[18:04] <popcorn_> iceroot: Some videos not playing on firefox
[18:04] <iceroot> popcorn_: flash?
[18:05] <popcorn_> iceroot: Did all the flash fixing stuff available on  the forums. Youtube works.
[18:05] <iceroot> popcorn_: what about flaming adobe and not ubuntu?
[18:05] <popcorn_> iceroot: gorillavid and a few other sites don't work
[18:05] <nicholas> hello world
[18:05] <iceroot> popcorn_: we cant fix flash because its closed source
[18:05] <emx> how can i change the address of the mirror?
[18:05] <dooma1> you can use YouTube player in HTML5
[18:06] <popcorn_> iceroot: the same flash worked on ubuntu 10.04 yesterday. it doesn't work after upgrade.
[18:06] <Hank__> escott: Attempting to print an article from a web browser or printing to PDF and then attempting to print the resulting PDF both result in a long (multi-hour) wait to print.  Any ideas how to get network printing to work in a timely fashion?
[18:06] <iceroot> popcorn_: you have an direct url to test?
[18:06] <DarwinSurvivor> Seeker: wait for someone with wubi experience to help you or try the install again
[18:06] <popcorn_> iceroot: direct url to what?
[18:06] <iceroot> popcorn_: of something which is not working
[18:06] <DarwinSurvivor> emx did you get a default gateway?
[18:06] <Hank__> escott:  Details: Nice Panasonic office laser network printer.  Wireless N network.
[18:06] <Lynzabbel> guys, i cant seem to install jdk
[18:06] <popcorn_> iceroot: yes
[18:07] <popcorn_> iceroot: several
[18:07] <Lynzabbel> is there a way to do this?
[18:07] <Seeker> all i get is grub command line, can i write something to run it, or fix it or what?
[18:07] <bekks> Lynzabbel: Yes.
[18:07] <jrib> !java | Lynzabbel
[18:07] <iceroot> Lynzabbel: sudo apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk
[18:07] <newroad> hallo everyone, anyone know why I might be having a problem where Borderlands always opens at 640 x 480, even if the resolution is set to 1920 x 1080 in the ini file? and if I try to manuall set the resolution in gme, the game crashes? I have a support thread on the POL forums where I posted my error logs: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-9029.html
[18:07] <newroad> i see this in the logs: fixme:d3d:swapchain_init Add OpenGL context recreation support to context_validate_onscreen_formats
[18:07] <FloodBot1> newroad: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:07] <emx> DarwinSurvivor, i somehow managed to add a nameserver. now everything behaves as expected.
[18:08] <dr_willis> !appdb
[18:08] <newroad> dr_willis, i already looked there
[18:08] <newroad> it is supported in appdb
[18:08] <DarwinSurvivor> emx: ok, just make sure it gets auto-added in the future
[18:08] <newroad> but i couldn't find another user with the same error
[18:09] <iceroot> newroad: its a warning not an error
[18:09] <iceroot> newroad: there are many of them wehn using wine, its not an issue
[18:09] <emx> DarwinSurvivor, i'm sure it will, since i'm using dhcp...
[18:09] <popcorn_> iceroot: any suggestions? or could you suggest an alternate distro? Have been on ubuntu for too long to know what else might be useful out there.
[18:09] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: unmount the drive, then sudo fsck /dev/sdb1
[18:09] <newroad> hmmmm, well here are my full logs: http://pastebin.com/1kGRUgDf
[18:09] <iceroot> popcorn_: until now i didnt get a link to test
[18:09] <DarwinSurvivor> emx: alright, best of luck then
[18:09] <emx> will nvidia-current be set up correctly (loading module, configuring X) after install?
[18:09] <nynex> DarwinSurvivor ; thanks
[18:09] <emx> DarwinSurvivor, thanks
[18:09] <Lynzabbel> newroad: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[18:10] <Lynzabbel> iceroad: unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages
[18:10] <newroad> huh?
[18:10] <bekks> emx: No. You have to install it.
[18:10] <Lynzabbel> newroad: sorry wrong person
[18:10] <newroad> oh
[18:10] <popcorn_> iceroot: sent you the link
[18:10] <NaN123> Good day. I have a problem to installed a driver  encore wireless usb adapter n300, to compile it devolved error
[18:10] <NaN123> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE= -C /lib/modules/2.6.38-15-generic/build M=/home/user/Escritorio/rtl8192_8188CU_linux_v3.1.2590.20110922  modules
[18:10] <NaN123> make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.38-15-generic/build: No existe el archivo o el directorio.  Alto.
[18:10] <nynex> DarwinSurvivor: I'm doing something wrong... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405297/
[18:11] <nynex> ahh sudo... oops
[18:11] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: you forgot sudo
[18:11] <newroad> iceroot: the game completely crashes out if i try to change the resolution in game, maybe i will do that with the debug logs eabled
[18:11] <newroad> is there nothing useful in my logs?
[18:11] <emx> I DID IT!!!
[18:12] <emx> the gui makes even a crapy noise when it shows up.
[18:12] <iceroot> newroad: try #winehq
[18:12] <iceroot> popcorn_: not working on firefox and chrome
[18:12] <newroad> i've tried everywhere :)
[18:12] <newroad> including there and two forums
[18:12] <iceroot> popcorn_: just loading
[18:12] <Lynzabbel> iceroot: pastebin.com/X5rSNCtz
[18:12] <newroad> been working on this for 16 hours
[18:12] <Seeker> bah, fuck this
[18:12] <iceroot> newroad: tried playonlinux?
[18:12] <nynex> ive still not got it right...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405304/
[18:12] <newroad> yep :)
[18:13] <DarwinSurvivor> emx: it will take a while to scan, so go have some lunch or something :)
[18:13] <popcorn_> iceroot: ok, waiting.
[18:13] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: choose 3 and see if you get any more
[18:14] <DarwinSurvivor> emx: sorry that was for nynex
[18:14] <Lynzabbel> problems installing java, this is the log pastebin.com/X5rSNCtz
[18:14] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: you might have to eat your lunch at the computer...
[18:14] <mah454> Hello
[18:14] <nynex> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405309/
[18:15] <DarwinSurvivor> !java | Lynzabbel
[18:15] <mah454> I need web interface for manage pptp users , can use daloradius for this ?
[18:15] <georges> mah454: webmin works for me
[18:15] <DarwinSurvivor> brb
[18:15] <nynex> do i just keep selecting 3 or am I missing the key point here?
[18:15] <bekks> georges: webomin is no longer supported in Ubuntu.
[18:15] <Hank__> Attempting to print an article from a web browser or printing to PDF and then attempting to print the resulting PDF both result in a long (multi-hour) wait to print.  Printing to a local printer works fine.  Any ideas how to get network printing to work in a timely fashion?
[18:15] <bekks> !webmin | georges
[18:15] <mah454> georges: can create , delete , expire user with webmin ?
[18:15] <bekks> !webmin | mah454
[18:16] <Xotix> Can someone explain me the benefit of a2ensite? Doesn't it just serve the default or next site if site x is disabled?
[18:16] <Lynzabbel> guys, whats does it mean if package has no install candidate?
[18:16] <mah454> bekks: what is your idea ?
[18:16] <zykotick9> Lynzabbel: it doesn't exist...
[18:16] <bekks> mah454: My odea is to not use webmin and to just use a reasonable editor and ssh to manage youe users.
[18:17] <Lynzabbel> can't be, this popped up as one of the dependencies when im trying to install java
[18:17] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: it allows you to easily switch the apache sites linked in sites-enabled
[18:17] <popcorn_> iceroot: is it playing for you?
[18:17] <DarwinSurvivor> back
[18:18] <emjayess> hi. i haz a inquiry
[18:18] <Lynzabbel> something might be wrong with my sources?
[18:18] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: yu hit 3 and got the same codes?
[18:18] <nynex> yeah
[18:19] <bekks> Lynzabbel: Please provide the exact approach on how you are installing java, as well as the complete, exact output you get?
[18:19] <DarwinSurvivor> !aks | emjayess
[18:19] <Xotix> SolarisBoy i don't get it. If i disabel a site, it just serves me the default page. How can i add an "Sry, thsi site is under construction blabla" page? Or what's the prpose of the whole thing?
[18:19] <NetGhost3> Do swap files get fragmented?
[18:19] <escott> Hank__, it probably has something to do with how the file needs to be pre-processed for the network printer
[18:19] <MacroMan> Hi. Just installed Ubuntu 10.04 (I'm on an EEPC, so speed is an issue). I can't connect to any wireless networks (Was fine with Windows). Can see them, try and connect, enter WPA key, but keeps asking for it again. Tried on 3 networks now.
[18:19] <emjayess> on one of our web servers, two ppa's have been added? ppa:nginx/stable and ppa:nginx/development. the currently installed version is 1.3.2. I expect apt-get update && apt-get install nginx to update version to latest dev, 1.3.9
[18:19] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: there are many ways to add a maintenance page
[18:19] <escott> NetGhost3, they are just pages... its not particularly applicable
[18:19] <emjayess> but it doesn't, it stays at 1.3.2
[18:20] <nynex> DarwinSurvivor: Am i doing something wrong?
[18:20] <DarwinSurvivor> emjayess: you'll need to contact the owner of the ppas
[18:20] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: you could simply redirect the request for said page to a nice maintenance.html page
[18:20] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: no, just hdd corruption
[18:20] <emjayess> DarwinSurvivor: ok
[18:20] <Hank__> escott:  I hear ya.  But I'm not sure where to go from here to get network printing working in a timely fashion.  I've setup Ubuntu networks and printers before without issue.  And this printer still works immediately with Windows systems.  Any idea where to go next for getting it to print in a timely fashion?
[18:21] <escott> Hank__, is there a different driver you can use for that network printer
[18:21] <emjayess> related: I tried removing ppa:nginx/stable via add-apt-repository -r
[18:21] <emjayess> but still see it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:21] <DarwinSurvivor> i *highly* recommend backing up data and reformating the partition. also run smartctl to check for failing hardware
[18:21] <escott> !info ppa-purge | emjayess
[18:21] <nynex> DarwinSurvivor: Do I keep running fsck?
[18:21] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: gsmartctl is a nice gui version that is very easy to use
[18:21] <Lynzabbel> bekks: pastebin.com/TJb6kTaC
[18:22] <Xotix> SolarisBoy and how can i configure such a site for aspeficic site? Otherwise, the enabling and disable is useless or i don't see the point of it.
[18:22] <Hank__> escott:  I use the Foomatic/pxlmono for Panasonic.  I've tried the PCL5 and PS drivers and they've failed to print anything coherent.
[18:22] <Lynzabbel> this is what i typed in and the output
[18:22] <emjayess> escott: thank you
[18:22] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: no, making any changes could cause data loss. with corruption, best to backup and nuke
[18:22] <escott> DarwinSurvivor, its also in gnome-disks which is a standard instlal program
[18:22] <nynex> ok thanks
[18:22] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: its not useless
[18:23] <nynex> ahh I dont have anything big enough to back up on.....
[18:23] <DarwinSurvivor> nynex: what escott said, i was unaware it was preinstalled
[18:23] <nynex> this is the back up of anything
[18:23] <bekks> Lynzabbel: I dont see anything about installing java there.
[18:23] <escott> Hank__, you can try other things like flattening the pdf
[18:23] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: you can use a redirect to point a request for a certain page to a maintenance page
[18:23] <escott> nynex, gnome-disks if you missed it
[18:23] <Lynzabbel> bekks: sorry, as it seems, anything i try to install give the same error
[18:24] <nynex> escott; thanks
[18:24] <SubaStank> For Xchat ubuntu, how would I put in a custom IRC channel?
[18:24] <Xotix> SolarisBoy i know but i'm wondering myself about the purpose of that enabling disabling thing which ubuntu implemented. When do i use it and for what?
[18:24] <escott> Hank__, there might be a cups channel which may have better ideas
[18:24] <DarwinSurvivor> SolarisBoy: look up apache "Alias" option
[18:24] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: if you had multiple sites or if you were in a situtation where you needed to enable sites in sites-available constantly
[18:25] <SolarisBoy> DarwinSurvivor: it allows the server to respond to a different name
[18:25] <bekks> Lynzabbel: It gives several different errors, as you can see.
[18:25] <emx> how do i move the buttons to the right side? this doesn't seem to work: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[18:25] <Lynzabbel> sergico: two main ones i suppose?
[18:25] <Hank__> Escott:  I'll check the CUPS channel.  Thank you very much for the help.
[18:25] <sirmy> hi guys! what is the right way to disable permanently a service?
[18:26] <SolarisBoy> but he wants the server to go to a maintenance page that says something like "sites not up" which i dont think the alias will help with
[18:26] <SolarisBoy> a redirect will though
[18:26] <DarwinSurvivor> SolarisBoy: no, alias does server-side uri redirection (the part after the hostname and port)
[18:26] <bekks> Lynzabbel: Could you pastebin the output of "lsb_release -a" and "uname -a" please?
[18:26] <Lynzabbel> bekks: ok will do that
[18:26] <escott> sirmy, it depends on if it is an old style sysvinit or an upstart service
[18:26] <SolarisBoy> DarwinSurvivor: so what should he make the alias?
[18:26] <Xotix> SolarisBoy thanks but i still don't get it's purpose at all. I'm used to, if the vhost fiels exists, the site exists like defined.
[18:26] <Xotix> ls
[18:27] <escott> sirmy, http://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/whats-the-recommended-way-to-enable-disable-services
[18:27] <DarwinSurvivor> SolarisBoy: have it alias to the 404 page. exact syntax depends on the language/framework thee site uses
[18:27] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: in which case yes it would not be useful for you if you dont use the linking system i guess
[18:27] <Lynzabbel> lsb_release -a: command not found
[18:27] <SolarisBoy> DarwinSurvivor: cool
[18:27] <DarwinSurvivor> SolarisBoy: some frameworks have "down for maintenance" support built in
[18:27] <bekks> Lynzabbel: What about "cat /etc/*release*" ?
[18:28] <SolarisBoy> in practice i have used redirects
[18:28] <Xotix> SolarisBoy can you point me to the doc of this linking system please?
[18:28] <SolarisBoy> i guess thats possible though
[18:28] <SolarisBoy> DarwinSurvivor: you know what your right
[18:28] <SolarisBoy> i was thinking about the name alias for some reason
[18:29] <SolarisBoy> Xotix: man a2ensite?
[18:29] <bekks> Lynzabbel: And what about "uname -a"?
[18:29] <DarwinSurvivor> SolarisBoy: ah yes, 2 very different beasts with similar names :P
[18:29] <SolarisBoy> yea
[18:30] <Lynzabbel> SolarisBoy: uname -a gives hostname 3.5.0-17-generic #28-Ubuntu SMP Tue Oct 9 19:32:08 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[18:30] <SolarisBoy> i always forget you can alias in that fashion
[18:30] <Xotix> SolarisBoy already read it. I don't get the that. Anyway, thanks
[18:30] <sirmy> escott: yeah, i already read it... but isn't there no way to disable permanently a service without have to modify files by hand?
[18:31] <sirmy> escot: something like "service NAME disable"
[18:31] <DarwinSurvivor> sirmy: define "permanently". i.e. you could uninstall it....
[18:31] <Lynzabbel> bekks: cat /etc/*release*gives No such file or directory
[18:32] <sirmy> DarweinSurvivor: no, i don't want to uninstall it. i want it in my system, but i want it doesn't start during boot
[18:32] <bekks> Lynzabbel: I strongly doubt thats a Ubuntu then.
[18:32] <escott> sirmy, no and we can't use systemd because poettering is a jerk
[18:32] <Lynzabbel> bekks: sorry, for the first command, i didnt put in a space before the "-a"
[18:33] <nynex> is the only solution to format the drive?
[18:33] <Lynzabbel> added and now it shows Distributor ID: Ubuntu, Description: Ubuntu 12.10, Release: 12.10, Codename: quantal
[18:33] <sirmy> escott: yeah, i tried some time ago systemd on archlinux... does it work well on ubuntu?
[18:34] <Lynzabbel> i suspect its something wrong with my software sources...
[18:34] <escott> sirmy, it sure looks nice. i really wish we would switch. i've only used it a little though.
[18:34] <bekks> Lynzabbel: Then provide the output of "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" please.
[18:34] <PlaHPoy> quick question, my bash seems to be screwed up and i've tried copying over from ..skel/ & from /etc. Still seems to have the same issue.  Output looks like http://pastebin.com/YYZhNDHc
[18:35] <bekks> Lynzabbel: And when pasting an URL, dont forget the "http://" in front. :)
[18:35] <PlaHPoy> i have to run everything with full path. I've checked the $PATH and it seem fine too
[18:36] <sirmy> escott: i see... the way you have to disable service with upstart i think it's not very "clean"
[18:36] <escott> sirmy, i probably shouldn't be that negative towards upstart. the config files are easy enough... i just dont understand why they haven't completed the switch over from sysv
[18:37] <escott> sirmy, all you do is rename a file thats not particularly unclean... its just that you have to check if the job is upstart or sysv and there are different ways to query the two
[18:37] <Lynzabbel> bekks: noted... will do once it completes
[18:38] <Lynzabbel> bekks: looks like it will take sometime...
[18:40] <plague> hi guys! not sure if this is about firewall or apache2 config? how could i set so that only from localhost people can access all virtual webhosts BUT http://domain.com/phpmyadmin can be only accessed from localhost?
[18:40] <plague> bh wrote that wrong
[18:40] <escott> plague, that would be an apache config
[18:40] <plague> hi guys! not sure if this is about firewall or apache2 config? how could i set so that people can access all virtual webhosts BUT http://domain.com/phpmyadmin can be only accessed from localhost?
[18:41] <plague> escott ok
[18:42] <sirmy> escott: no, indeed it's not so unclean and/or hard, but i think that if you have a central program which does all the works it is much better. they have initctl, service, etc and it would be very easy to add that feature
[18:42] <Doug_> Question is this the right channel for support?
[18:43] <escott> Doug_, yes
[18:44] <PlaHPoy> anyone have a sec to help me w/this bash issue?
[18:44] <krabador> hi, i need help to install properly my nvidia fx 5900 on ubuntu 12.10
[18:44] <Eagleman> Why is my script saying: Script result: /scripts/media/subliminal: line 3: subliminal: command not found  (  subliminal -l 'nl' --cache-dir=/tmp/ -s bierdopje "$2" 2>&1 | tee "/opt/media/sickbeard/log.txt"  ) But subliminal on the comand line works just fine
[18:44] <Doug_> I'm trying to load Ubuntu ver 12.10 on a drive that will go into an older laptop but I keep getting the error No root file system found. any thoughts?
[18:44] <bekks> Doug_: So how are you trying to "load it onto a drive"?
[18:45] <krabador> i can't install nvidia-173-updates because an error "xorg-video-abi-11  but it is not installable"
[18:45] <krabador> how can i install it?
[18:45] <Doug_> I have the DVD made from the download and I am trying to install from the DVD un something else.
[18:46] <bekks> krabador: Whats the full error, not just the last part?
[18:46] <bekks> Doug_: "something else" means what exactly?
[18:46] <jebb> having a little trouble installing my tftp server
[18:47] <jebb> well more like setting it up ive dont sudo apt-get tftp-hpa
[18:47] <escott> Eagleman, hard to figure out what is on line 3 there. can you pastebin.com the script and a terminal session with the error
[18:47] <zykotick9> Doug_: if you are trying custom partitioning, you need a / directory.
[18:47] <krabador> bekks, nvidia-173: depends: xorg-video-abi-11  but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable
[18:48] <Doug_> That allows me to select the disk drive I want to install Ubuntu on.  I have the disk drive from the lap top on my main computer and it is E; drive.  I select E: drive, select continue and that is when I get the error.
[18:48] <PoolShark_> hey all... I'm trying to work out some ethernet bonding in Ubuntu... having some trouble actually getting aggregated bandwidth between two machines with bonding set up
[18:49] <Squarepy> Doug_, you haven't assigned a partition as your root '/' directory I think
[18:50] <Doug_> Thanks I will give that a try.
[18:50] <PoolShark_> what it looks like is that the maching sending frames is not smart enough to know that the recipient is bonded, and doesn't round-robin the destination MAC
[18:52] <Squarepy> Doug_ are you double booting or overwriting?
[18:52] <Sivik> what is a good program to control what program uses what sound output device?
[18:53] <Squarepy> Sivik, Jack?
[18:53] <Sivik> Squarepy, what do you mean by jack?
[18:53] <jofa> ?
[18:53] <angelpossum> its a lie
[18:53] <pollo> hi everybody, could you please tell me where does linux store any errors that occur while booting? is there any terminal command that can show me what occurs in the process of booting?
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> pollo  try dmesg
[18:54] <Sivik> dmesg is a good place to start pollo
[18:54] <jofa> try dmesg
[18:54] <Squarepy> Sivik, Jack is used for audio design application, also pulse-audio is an option
[18:54] <angelpossum> hey any body play resident evil zero
[18:55] <MonkeyDust> angelpossum  wrong channel
[18:56] <pollo> alright thank you !
[18:57] <walssa> hola
[18:57] <walssa> buenas noches
[18:57] <krabador> please help me with nvidia-173 installation on ubuntu 12.10
[18:57] <walssa> alguien me puede decir como puedo conectar con el irc??
[18:58] <PoolShark_> walssa ya esta conectado en irc...
[18:58] <PoolShark_> jaja
[18:59] <robbie> My fonts are not being loaded with my grub theme: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405425/
[19:00] <robbie> I generated them without any issues, but now they are not actually being loaded in the theme during boot -- no errors either
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> robbie  some 80 people in #grub
[19:06] <chris_> #join
[19:08] <stefano> hello
[19:08] <Guest93197> !list
[19:08] <newroad> hallo everyone, anyone know why I might be having a problem where Borderlands always opens at 640 x 480, even if the resolution is set to 1920 x 1080 in the ini file? and if I try to manuall set the resolution in gme, the game crashes? I have a support thread on the POL forums where I posted my error logs: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-9029.html
[19:12] <robbie> MonkeyDust: no answer there yet
[19:13] <robbie> anyone know grub2? My fonts are not being applied to my theme when I boot up
[19:13] <madjoe> hi! how come I can't see audio controls in my top panel when I run audacious from a shortcut on my keyboard? if I run it by double-clicking the audio file, the audio controls are there, in my top panel right below the speaker... a mistery to me.. :(
[19:13] <ojii> hi everyone. i have an issue with my nvidia gpu that when it gets close to overheating, it turns its fans of, causing it to actually overheat and shutting the laptop down. anyone know how i can fix this?
[19:16] <ActionParsnip> ojii: do you use switchable GPU?
[19:16] <ojii> not that I'm aware of
[19:17] <ojii> it's a nVidia GeForce GTX 485M
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> ojii: if you run:    lspci | grep -i vga      do you see an nvidia GPU and an Intel GPU?
[19:18] <ojii> nope just nvidia
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> ojii: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[19:18] <zykotick9> acidflash: you need lspci -v to see hybrid
[19:18] <zykotick9> ActionParsnip: see above
[19:18] <ojii> ActionParsnip, precise
[19:18] <ojii> ActionParsnip, latest kernel, x64, latest nvidia (beta) drivers
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> that's 12.04
[19:19] <ActionParsnip> ojii: if you run:   nvidia-settings    what is the driver version?
[19:19] <waqs> whats the best distro for a notebook? Want to make best use of the limited real estate
[19:19] <ojii> ActionParsnip, 310.14
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> waqs  here's not the right place to ask
[19:20] <dr_willis> waqs: you can install different desktops on any distro
[19:20] <ActionParsnip> ojii: how did you install the driver?
[19:20] <ojii> ActionParsnip, the restricted drivers thing
[19:21] <ojii> ActionParsnip, "Additional Drivers"
[19:21] <ojii> ActionParsnip, I had this issue before switching to "experimental" drivers
[19:22] <newroad> hallo everyone, anyone know why I might be having a problem where Borderlands always opens at 640 x 480, even if the resolution is set to 1920 x 1080 in the ini file? and if I try to manuall set the resolution in gme, the game crashes? I have a support thread on the POL forums where I posted my error logs: http://www.playonlinux.com/en/topic-9029.html
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> ojii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405482/   my precise doesn't have the 310 driver
[19:23] <TimoKA> hello
[19:23] <newroad> hey ActionPartnership, your advice got the game launching yesterday, thank you :)
[19:24] <ojii> ActionParsnip, don't see it when running that command either, but http://ubuntuone.com/1RJMXbNZ8q6zIqDnTrnQCM
[19:24] <TimoKA> i use the live cd as my only system and would like to remove the installation/welcome screen and always use the live system. is there a way to do this?
[19:24] <ojii> ActionParsnip, IIRC I installed that driver when installing steam, I think steam asked me to install that driver somehow
[19:24] <ojii> ActionParsnip, but again, I had it with 295 and 304 too
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> ojii: can you pastebin the output of:   apt-cache policy `dpkg -l | grep nvidia | grep 304 | awk {'print $2'}`
[19:26] <ojii> ActionParsnip, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405493/
[19:26] <jamamp> TimoKA, I think what you need to do is install your linux on the cd, not just burn the iso you download. Wubi might be able to do this, im not too sure. Or in the livecd you can try installing to another cd if you hav the drive
[19:27] <jamamp> TimoKA, or from the livecd you can install to a large usb flash drive, which will be faster than a cd
[19:27] <TimoKA> jamamp: i'm using a live system on a usb stick
[19:28] <adoet_t_> Wubi is good
[19:28] <TimoKA> just the screen "Try Ubuntu - Install Ubuntu" is annoying, i want to remove it
[19:29] <k1l> adoet_t: if you stay here and support all the wubi broken windows and ubuntu installs. ok
[19:29] <jamamp> TimoKA, so what you need to do is burn the livecd. boot into the livecd. go through the installation process and have it install on you usb stick. Let me find a link for that
[19:29] <TimoKA> jamamp: you get mewrong+
[19:30] <k1l> TimoKA: you are searching for a "persistent" live system
[19:30] <user123abc> I really like gnome terminal's font in 12.10. how can I reference it in my .Xdefaults file so that I can use it with urxvt?
[19:30] <TimoKA>  i tried a "real" install but it is VERY slow on an usb stick, the live system is much faster. but i always have to click "Try Ubuntu"
[19:31] <user123abc> I've tried URxvt*font: xft:monospace:size=10 , but it appears to be a different font
[19:31] <TimoKA> i want to remove that, if possible
[19:32] <k1l> TimoKA: i gave you the hint for what you are looking for
[19:32] <jamamp> TimoKA, ah, then I do not know. You'd have to edit the files in the iso. I don't know how to do that, and I know the bot on here has one of those things
[19:33] <stefano__> hello
[19:33] <krabador> hi people, i need to install nvidia-173 on ubuntu 12.10, but i've this "Depends: xorg-video-abi-11  but it is not installable or xorg-video-abi-12 v., but it is not installable"
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> ojii: seems you have a PPA for the driver. The official repos don't have the 310 driver yet afaik
[19:34] <TimoKA> k1l: my system is persistent already
[19:34] <ojii> ActionParsnip, that is possible. I never saw driver version having any impact on this issue though. Had this problem for a year now roughly, trying to get help every now and then but never with any luck
[19:34] <TimoKA> jamamp: ok, thanks anyway :)
[19:36] <stefano__> hello
[19:40] <Ozera> Can someone tell me why wintricks vcrun2010 fails? However, I think I already have vcrun2010 because in winecfg > libraries; there is msvcr100.  And isn't that the same as vcrun2010?
[19:41] <Ozera> http://pastebin.com/ZHzXeVKj
[19:42] <krabador> please, i cant use nouveau drivers with nvidia fx 5900, unity isn't usable
[19:43] <cristian_c> krabador, lol
[19:43] <krabador> cristian_c, eh :)
[19:44] <serunu> i did sudo aptitude remove mediatomb and it says nothing to remove but i can start mediatomb still. any help?
[19:45] <serunu> can i just find all *mediatomb* and rm?
[19:46] <BluesKaj> serunu, sudo dpkg -r mediatomb
[19:48] <dr_willis> !aptitude
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> serunu: what is the output of:    dpkg -l | grep mediatomb
[19:50] <serunu> ActionParsnip: i get a pastebinit error. but 3 listings for mediatomb
[19:50] <quante> When I go fullscreen on youtube, the screen starts flashing and makes it almost impossible to view the video. Can anyone help me?
[19:51] <quante> (actually this applies to every video)
[19:51] <VER> Yolo
[19:51] <matanc> Hey folks. Quick question. I've installed unrar so that I can extract unrar files. I get an error message every time I try to open a file in a rar or extract it. any idea on what I can do?
[19:51] <jrib> matanc: say what the error is
[19:51] <BluesKaj> quante, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[19:51] <bekks> matanc: Which error message...?
[19:52] <quante> Yes.
[19:52] <quante> I am using Google Chrome as well.
[19:52] <bekks> matanc: You could share it with us to enable us to help you.
[19:52] <VER> Yes, share the error message
[19:53] <matanc> It says that there are no available programs to open that file. Although it's a PDF and I've got the doc viewer
[19:53] <bekks> matanc: But is is in a .rar archive. Uncompress that archive, and access your PDF without an error message.
[19:53] <matanc> When I try to extract it first it says "extraction completed" but it doesn't really extract it. the file doesn't appear
[19:54] <matanc> bekks: that's something I do with the terminal or can I do that with the GUI?
[19:54] <BluesKaj> quante, I found that using the latest adobe flashplayer from the adobe site, extracting it and copying the libflashplayer.so file over to /usr/lib /mozilla/plugins works best on my system
[19:55] <bekks> matanc: with the terminal. "unrar".
[19:55] <quante> Alright, I will try that, thanks BluesKaj.
[19:55] <DeltaHeavy> After pressing Ctrl + Super + D, when trying to select a grouped Window, the Windows appear to be invisible only showing the one's I've already clicked on. If I click on where things are suppost to be, they pop up and work from there on. Anybody know how I can fix this?
[19:55] <Eagleman> Why is my script saying: Script result: /scripts/media/subliminal: line 3: subliminal: command not found  (  subliminal -l 'nl' --cache-dir=/tmp/ -s bierdopje "$2" 2>&1 | tee "/opt/media/sickbeard/log.txt"  ) But subliminal on the comand line works just fine
[19:55] <sirmy> mmm, i tried to do 'echo "manual" >> /etc/init/apport.conf.override' but if i do a "status apport" i see that apport is still running even after i rebooted! does anyone can tell me why?
[19:56] <quante> BluesKaj, should I overwrite the flashplugin-alternative.so with libflashplayer.so
[19:56] <quante> ?
[19:56] <jrib> sirmy: what is the result of "cat /etc/init/apport.conf.override"?
[19:56] <sirmy> manual
[19:56] <sirmy> jrib: manual
[19:56] <matanc> bekks. I've tried "unrar --help" but it doesn't look like there is an uncompress option
[19:56] <quante> BluesKaj, will this also affect Google Chrome as well?
[19:56] <matanc> I'll give it a go though. One moment
[19:56] <Davide221> !lista
[19:57] <Davide221> !film
[19:57] <Davide221> !lista
[19:57] <jrib> Eagleman: pastebin the scripts in question, how you call the script, and the full output
[19:58] <matanc> bekks: I get failed on all the options when doing it with the terminal
[19:58] <matanc> on all the files
[19:58] <BluesKaj> quante, i don't think it affects chrome , leaving the alternative in the plugins file is an option, if my suggestion doesn't work remove it , then if that doen't work reinstall the restricted -extras
[19:59] <bekks> matanc: Well, so what was the command using the "e" option with unrar?
[19:59] <Eagleman> jrib http://pastebin.com/VqgVFDax
[19:59] <Eagleman> ./scripts/media/subliminal
[20:00] <DeltaHeavy> Also, whenever I get "Unable to mount <drive name>", I can't close the pop up it gives me for ~30 seconds no matter if I click 'OK' or 'X'
[20:00] <jrib> Eagleman: it's easier for me (and I'm less likely to misinterpret you) if you actually pastebin everything
[20:00] <matanc> I don't really understand what you mean by the "e" option. the --help doesn't show that there is one
[20:01] <escott> Eagleman, need to see the script and how you are executing it
[20:01] <Eagleman> Ow you want the script in hexadecimal?
[20:02]  * jrib sighs.
[20:02] <madjoe> hi! how come I can't see audio controls in my top panel when I run audacious from a shortcut on my keyboard? if I run it by double-clicking the audio file, the audio controls are there, in my top panel right below the speaker... a mistery to me.. :(
[20:02] <Eagleman> I just copied the script: http://pastebin.com/VqgVFDax
[20:02] <whtemple1959> hello, just upgraded to 12.10 and do not like the unity launcher attempted to load the reotater but apt-get states it cannot find the files. does any body know a fix for this?
[20:03] <VER> .
[20:03] <escott> Eagleman, and the terminal session where you try to execute it
[20:03] <Eagleman> Its executed by sickbeard in the extra_scripts="" part
[20:04] <Eagleman> Which pushes the $1-$5 variables to the script
[20:08] <Eagleman> .Script result: /scripts/media/subliminal: line 3: subliminal: command not found
[20:09] <escott> Eagleman, if you arent going to do what we ask please dont spam the channel with random junk
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> !info subliminal
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> !find subliminal
[20:11] <VER> .
[20:11] <Eagleman> http://pastebin.com/hxWpKsYE
[20:12] <Eagleman> I cant copy a terminal session becuase its not executed by me but by another program
[20:13] <escott> Eagleman, well goodluck
[20:13] <Eagleman> lol
[20:13] <Eagleman> tell me how to get the information you need then..
[20:13] <votick_> Hey guys, I'm completely new to ubuntu.
[20:13] <votick_> Have a quick question, as I'm trying to ditch windows and all that.
[20:13] <escott> Eagleman, you are running a script not in ubuntu that nobody knows what it does or how it works, and you cannot tell us how it is being executed
[20:14] <Eagleman> i told you how its executed
[20:14] <Eagleman> but if you dont read
[20:14] <votick_> How do I run a .bat file on ubuntu?
[20:15] <escott> votick_, you don't. you could boot something like freedos under qemu
[20:16] <votick_> Uhh, alright.
[20:16] <heoyea> use VM
[20:16] <escott> votick_, .bat is a dos thing. not a linux thing
[20:16] <votick_> Ohh, alright.
[20:16] <votick_> How about .sh?
[20:16] <votick_> This file has both apparently.
[20:16] <escott> votick_, chmod +x filename.sh; ./filename.sh
[20:17] <votick_> Ahh alright, thanks I will try that out.
[20:17] <votick_> Bit of a learning curve with this stuff, but I sense it will be worth it.
[20:17] <escott> votick_, why are you running a shell script? are you trying to install something?
[20:18] <votick_> I'm trying to run a java program yeah.
[20:18] <escott> votick_, you should always check if the program is available in apt
[20:19] <VER> Does anyone here program C language?
[20:19] <jrib> Eagleman: you should provide the full path to subliminal in your script and see if that makes a difference
[20:19] <jrib> VER: ##c
[20:19] <SwedeMike> !anyone | ver
[20:19] <Kazfd> Is there any way to find the icons that Ubuntu uses?
[20:19] <Kazfd> Or even KDE.
[20:19] <jrib> Kazfd: for what purpose?
[20:19] <votick_> Ahh alright.
[20:19] <VER> ah, ok
[20:20] <Kazfd> jrib: So that I can put them onto an image.
[20:20] <jrib> Kazfd: /usr/share/icons .  Is that what you are looking for?
[20:21] <Kazfd> jrib: Yep yep.
[20:22] <maxwellwood> hello
[20:22] <maxwellwood> i was wondering if i could get some support please :D
[20:22] <quante> BluesKaj, none of them worked. :/
[20:22] <wolowitz> hello
[20:22] <VER> I'm a novice in C programming...how should I learn it better?
[20:22] <maxwellwood> could someone help me please? :D
[20:22] <wolowitz> AllRight ?
[20:23] <maxwellwood> uhm
[20:23] <maxwellwood> ok
[20:23] <votick_> Start a project, and learn what you need to complete it @VER
[20:23] <votick_> That's my approach :)
[20:23] <escott> maxwellwood, ask
[20:23] <maxwellwood> i tried to install ubuntu as a dual boot with windows xp
[20:23] <VER> what kind of project?
[20:23] <maxwellwood> and i got an error
[20:23] <wolowitz> Portuges Alguem ?
[20:23] <votick_> Not sure, what's your level of experience in C?
[20:23] <escott> maxwellwood, and the error was...
[20:23] <maxwellwood> it said ntldr is missing please press ctrl+alt+dlt to reboot
[20:23] <votick_> Or programming overal that is.
[20:23] <BluesKaj> quante, have you tried firefox , or chromium-browser and not google-chrome ?
[20:23] <VER> very limited.
[20:23] <davehimself> running ubuntu 12.10. i have an nvidia gtx 660ti vid card. after installing and running updates, i install nvidia-current-updates. when i reboot, I can't get out of low graphics mode. like my vid card isn't being recognized properly. anyone having issues with nvidia drivers?
[20:23] <maxwellwood> and i am not sure why, i tried reinstalling...
[20:23] <wolowitz> portugues ?
[20:23] <maxwellwood> same thng happened.
[20:23] <jrib> !pt | wolowitz
[20:24] <votick_> Alright, well perhaps start with a simple console game?
[20:24] <escott> maxwellwood, thats a problem with windows
[20:24] <maxwellwood> :L
[20:24] <maxwellwood> what would i do then?
[20:24] <votick_> I began with a guessing game as my first program, in which you pick a number between 1-100 and it slowely guesses it.
[20:24] <escott> maxwellwood, how were you trying to install ubuntu?
[20:24] <maxwellwood> i have tried through usb
[20:24] <maxwellwood> and through windows
[20:24] <VER> I should try that. . .
[20:24] <escott> votick_, projecteuler has a number of good easy starter problems
[20:24] <maxwellwood> i am currently putting the installer on a cd...
[20:25] <maxwellwood> figured i would try that
[20:25] <votick_> is that a site, escott?
[20:25] <escott> votick_, yes
[20:25] <VER> noted, escott
[20:25] <votick_> Same here, thanks.
[20:25] <quante> BluesKaj, I will try that now.
[20:25] <vaikus84> maxwellwood, install only restricted driver - post-release update!
[20:25] <vaikus84> Reboot!
[20:25] <votick_> I'm not very advanced with C either, but I just randomly found something I wanted to make, and learned C in order to do it.
[20:26] <escott> votick_, VER sorry got the V-names confused as to who was asking
[20:26] <votick_> I noticed that if you just study hard for a project, and THEN go make something, it won't work as well (in my case). I rather get a task, and then begin throwing attempts at completing it.
[20:26] <maxwellwood> what is that vaikus :P
[20:26] <vaikus84> no need for installing anything else
[20:26] <votick_> I was somewhat asking too, lol, just not out loud.
[20:26] <maxwellwood> im not very good at this xD
[20:26] <vaikus84> it means silence
[20:26] <maxwellwood> what is this restricted driver?
[20:27] <votick_> @VER, if you need any tips  ref with C, i'm in the irc #globeofgeek. Currently trying to workg with linux, but you can reach me in there if needed.
[20:27] <VER> not sure what that is
[20:27] <VER> i just installed irssi
[20:28] <davehimself> anyone running current nvidia drivers?
[20:29] <escott> maxwellwood, the trying three different ways of installing ubuntu is just making things more confusing. if the usb install worked why would you try the cd?
[20:29] <escott> maxwellwood, and wubi is a completely different animal
[20:29] <maxwellwood> because it didnt work...
[20:29] <maxwellwood> and what do you mean its diferent?
[20:29] <quante> BluesKaj: thanks! Chromium works! :)
[20:30] <maxwellwood> ok can someone just pm me this is getting confusing :P
[20:30] <maxwellwood> (also never used an IRC) lol.
[20:31] <nomoa> hi, with ubuntu/unity 12.10 I can't map Alt-F1 and Alt-F2 keys (I can bind those keys in gnome-settings and ccsm but it is ineffective)
[20:31] <robertzaccour> Can Ubuntu be installed on a Microsoft Surface and does it run well?
[20:32] <escott> maxwellwood, wubi installs ubuntu inside windows. it doesnt use a partition. in what way did the usb install not work
[20:32] <maxwellwood> the usb install... same thing o.o
[20:32] <maxwellwood> talk in pm?
[20:33] <BluesKaj>  robertzaccour microsoft surface ?
[20:33] <escott> !pm | maxwellwood
[20:33] <ActionParsnip> robertzaccour: its an ARM CPU, so technically, yes
[20:33] <maxwellwood> ok :P
[20:34] <maxwellwood> as far as i knew wubi was the only way
[20:34] <maxwellwood> so i installed it USING wubi ONTO the usb stick...
[20:34] <maxwellwood> and then booted from usb
[20:35] <robertzaccour> BluesKaj, yes http://www.welectronics.com/ULTRA-MOBILE-PCs/MICROSOFT-SURFACE-WITH-WINDOWS-RT-32GB-WITH-BLACK-TOUCH-COVER.html?gclid=CIL35vDI_LMCFQ3nnAodPx8Adw its a laptop/tablet hybrid
[20:35] <maxwellwood> the other thing is, when i used wubi i installed it onto a blank hard drive the first time and got the error when booting from that too.
[20:35] <maxwellwood> it wasnt on the same harddrive as windows.
[20:35] <rick_> ehm hello?
[20:36] <j0bi> is there in ubuntu email extractor???
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> maxwellwood: its still wubi, the physical storage isn't terribly important
[20:36] <maxwellwood> hmm
[20:36] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: extract from what?
[20:36] <j0bi> mail that i can extract from a url?
[20:36] <maxwellwood> so how would i put, a fresh install onto a blank hard drive?
[20:37] <maxwellwood> BTW the cd i have isnt big enough so i cant use it >.<
[20:37] <Alexander_L> Hi!
[20:38] <j0bi> ActionParsnip:  in win there are programs of this kind. are there any at linux?
[20:38] <j0bi> email extractor or email grabber
[20:38] <rick_> ehm
[20:38] <rick_> what cind of program do you use in win for that?
[20:39] <maxwellwood> please could someone help me?
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: is the url from gmail or something?
[20:40] <BluesKaj> robertzaccour, I feel like getting left behind in the dust ..here I am still using a 5yr old desktop pc and I still use a flip cellphone  :)
[20:40] <nomoa> is there any useful logs I can check in order to debug some weird unity/compiz/X behaviours?
[20:40] <j0bi> rick_: eg Atomic Email Hunter
[20:40] <j0bi> ActionParsnip:  any url
[20:40] <zykotick9> nomoa: have you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log already?
[20:41] <Alexander_L> I have a problem with boot ubuntu with AMD Athlon II 640. I can boot my ubuntu only with "nolapic" parameter in grub, but with this parameter system boot only with one core. Can anybody help me?
[20:41] <nomoa> zykotick9, yes but it is not very verbose
[20:41] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: ooooohhhhhh, etract mail urls from web pages...is that what you mean?
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> *extract
[20:42] <nomoa> I suspect that Alt-F1/F2 keys are sent to /dev/null ... I'm a bit confused
[20:42] <jamiejackson> hi folks, i'm trying to stream from ps3mediaserver to my samsung blu-ray player. i'm having problems (ps3mediaserver seems to see the player, but not the reverse). i'm new to this, and could use help troubleshooting.
[20:42] <j0bi> ActionParsnip: i mean extract mail eg.(test@yourname.com, mine@yours.com etc....) from a url
[20:42] <ActionParsnip> nomoa: ALT+number runs the app under than letter, hold ALT and watch the unity lancher
[20:43] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: there is a world of difference between extracting emails and extracting email ADDRESSES.
[20:43] <j0bi> yep sorry
[20:43] <j0bi> i meant email addresses
[20:43] <j0bi> :)
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: try saying what you mean ;)
[20:44] <nomoa> ActionParsnip, you mean <Super>-number?
[20:44] <ActionParsnip> nomoa: yeah thats it
[20:45] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: http://linux.ittoolbox.com/groups/technical-functional/linuxadmin-l/to-perl-gurus-extract-email-from-url-4376594    seems perl can do it
[20:46] <j0bi> ;) thanks i will check it
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: http://linuxconfig.org/extract-email-address-from-a-text-file
[20:46] <ActionParsnip> j0bi: you'll need to wget the web page first, then run the command on the downloaded file
[20:47] <Doug_> I am having trouble loading Ubuntu ver 12.10 onto an older laptop harddrive.  I have removed the harddrive and and trying to load Ubuntu from a DVD from the download on a windows 7 machine.  Th target harddrive is 30 gig and is now set for FAT32 file system.  The harddrive has a single partition that I created.  I am trying to load from the menu option something else which allows sme to select the drive to install to. Any ideas?
[20:49] <zykotick9> Doug_: are you booting from the DVD to install, or you are trying to install from inside windows?
[20:49] <ActionParsnip> Doug_: unpartition the intended drive and you will easily be able to identify the device.
[20:49] <Jordan_U> Doug_: What menu are you seeing?
[20:49] <Doug_> I am booting from the DVD and then trying to install.
[20:50] <usr13> Doug_: #1) You'll need to re-partition it.  #2) It should be in the divice that will actually boot it.  .....???
[20:50] <Doug_> I can identify the device.  I also get the error "No root file system".
[20:51] <usr13> Doug_: It says "No root file system" because you have not created a partition and designated it fir the root file system.
[20:52] <Doug_> The partition encompasses the whole drive and is selected as the primary partition.
[20:52] <usr13> Doug_: Is there a reason you do not  install from the actual device it goes in?
[20:52] <usr13> Doug_: Are you doing a wubi install?
[20:52] <Doug_> yes the DVD drive does not work.
[20:52] <usr13> Doug_: USB....?
[20:53] <Doug_> The laptop is old and does not have the option to boot from usb port.
[20:53] <gordonjcp> Doug_: don't install it on the laptop then
[20:53] <gordonjcp> Doug_: put the drive in something that does boot from USB, and install on that
[20:54] <Jordan_U> Doug_: Avoid Wubi, especially if you are trying to install to a different partition than 'C:'/
[20:54] <Doug_> I have the laptop harddrive as an addition external drive on a windows 7 machine.
[20:54] <vtec_> !java
[20:55] <Jordan_U> Doug_: Can you boot that other machine from DVD/USB?
[20:55] <usr13> Doug_: Will it boot to a USB device?  If so, see:  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[20:55] <Doug_> I can not boot the laptop from the bad DVD drive or from the use ports
[20:56] <Jordan_U> Doug_: We're not currently asking about the laptop. We're asking if you can boot this other mentioned machine from DVD/USB.
[20:56] <Doug_> Yes I can.
[20:56] <usr13> Doug_: Change out the drives, install ubuntu, take the drive out, put your dad's drive back in, put yours in your laptop.
[20:57] <Jordan_U> Doug_: Then boot from an Ubuntu DVD/USB and install normally to the external drive (do *not* use Wubi). Then put this drive you've installed to into the laptop.
[20:57] <Doug_> That may work by putting the laptop harddrive into another laptop and then installing.  Thanks will give it a try.
[20:59] <usr13> Jordan_U: If he installs on the drive while it's plugged in as an external drive, the fstab file will need to be changed, as well as grub.  It's duable but would be complicated.
[21:00] <usr13> He's gone...
[21:00] <Jordan_U> usr13: No, that's not true at all. Both grub and the fstab use UUIDs, which won't change.
[21:00] <usr13> I think we gave him enough information though.
[21:00] <usr13> Jordan_U: Hummm.... well yea that's right.  Ok.  Well either way I guess.  (Thanks for pointing that out.)
[21:01] <usr13> Still though, It would be much safer for him to change out the drives.  (That way, he won't format wrong drive and won't write grub to wrong drive.)
[21:06] <fr> buenas noches
[21:07] <usr13> Good night fr
[21:07] <fr> Thanks   Do you speak spanish ?
[21:08] <MonkeyDust> !es
[21:08] <fr> Thanks
[21:15] <WeThePeople> what is the command to open chrome in 12.04
[21:15] <WeThePeople> well fluxbox
[21:16] <wile> morning for all
[21:21] <rui> Hey people
[21:21] <rui> May anyone help me with sound on ubuntu 12.10
[21:21] <EmmEight> Hello
[21:22] <guntbert_> !sound | rui
[21:22] <EmmEight> Is there a way I can set up remote desktop from the terminal?
[21:23] <guntbert_> EmmEight: you have no X? then rdesktop will be problematic
[21:25] <Ray2> Lucid-10.04..unable to auto complete nick..xchat-2.8.6
[21:26] <usr13> EmmEight: What's wrong with ssh?
[21:26] <guntbert_> Ray2: does autocomplete work in a terminal?
[21:27] <usr13> guntbert_: Ray2 Yes
[21:27] <usr13> guntbert_: Do you mean in console mode?
[21:28] <guntbert_> usr13: ?
[21:28] <Ray2> guntbert Yes it does
[21:28] <usr13>  Does the file name have spaces?  If so, you'll need to escape them with \
[21:29] <guntbert_> Ray2: so you have the problem only with xchat?
[21:29] <Ray2> gunbert..only irc chat I use
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[21:30] <dedal87> soi yo el k sigue aki xdddddddd
[21:30] <soy_asi> soi yo el k sigue aki xdddddddd
[21:30] <FloodBot1> edita: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:30] <toni27> soi yo el k sigue aki xdddddddd
[21:30] <FloodBot1> dedal87: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <FloodBot1> soy_asi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <FloodBot1> toni27: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:31] <zykotick9> Ray2: xchat does have an option for autocomplete in preferences, you might want to verify it's turned on.
[21:32] <usr13> Wow, the floodbot is flooding.
[21:32] <Ray2> gunbert..I have been to xchat channel and several folks have walked me through the set up then suggested it was ubuntu problem ???
[21:34] <guntbert_> Ray2: I am very certain that it is not (as it works on the CLI for you) - but I may be wrong - haven't used xchat for a long time now
[21:35] <Ray2> zykotick9..auto nick completion (without tab) does not change anything still no nick complete
[21:36] <zykotick9> Ray2: sorry i don't have any other suggestions.  i too haven't used xchat in quite some time.
[21:37] <Ray2> guntbert..zykotick9..Okay thanks...for the help
[21:38] <guntbert_> Ray2: that  thing (without tabs) is impractical in my memory - switch it off, maybe it helps, or else try (after closing xchat) renaming the .xchat/xchat.conf, you might have misconfigured something
[21:38] <jluc> hello
[21:39] <jluc> does google chrome has known problem with ubuntu ?
[21:39] <jluc> with google drive docs for example
[21:43] <BluesKaj> jluc, use the chromiuim-browser , google chrome has probs with flash for one
[21:44] <Kharec> [A
[21:45] <b4d_tR1p> ciao a tutti
[21:45] <psilonux> Hello, Im trying to solve an annoying problem. Unity freezes for a short period when my last, or only window is minimized.. Is there some workaround for this little problem?
[21:46] <b4d_tR1p> italiani on line?
[21:46] <mavi> ciao
[21:46] <b4d_tR1p> ciao mavi
[21:47] <guntbert_> !it | b4d_tR1p
[21:49] <jluc> hmmm
[21:51] <b4d_tR1p> sorry mate
[21:53] <WHAT_DOWN> any reasons i should shy away from unattended-updates ?
[21:53] <escott> WHAT_DOWN, yes
[21:54] <WHAT_DOWN> escott: what would be some examples?
[21:55] <escott> WHAT_DOWN, its always possible that an upgrade could break something. its best to know when the upgrade is going to happen unless the system is running a service that you really dont care that much about
[22:03] <mavi> hi can anyone please help me to work a microphone on ubuntu studio?
[22:05] <mavi> pleaseee
[22:06] <heoyea> mavi: install pavucontrol
[22:06] <escott> mavi, details
[22:09] <mavi> ok i'm italian whit bad english so I apologize for that, on italian channel no one reply me.. i've already installed pavucontrol
[22:10] <mavi> and alsamixer
[22:10] <_r00t_> sensors-detect does not detect my fans :( This is driving me nuts :/
[22:10] <_r00t_> ..... anyone fancy throwing some ideas at me ?
[22:11] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, did you google that issue?
[22:11] <heoyea> mavi: hit record and look at the stream in pavucontrol then change it
[22:11] <_andyj_> anyone ever had a problem with UFW not starting up by default but working fine when manually started?
[22:12] <escott> _andyj_, ufw does not start. its not a service that starts
[22:12] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: Oh yes .... tried a few thing like acpi=lax =no on the kernel but nothing
[22:12] <escott> _andyj_, just check if "sudo iptables -L" lists anything
[22:12] <_andyj_> escott, well I'm talking about the service starting up as inactive until I login to the machine and enable
[22:13] <_andyj_> escott, isn't sudo ufw status enough to know it's not on?
[22:13] <escott> _andyj_, no
[22:14] <escott> _andyj_, its just a set of iptables rules. either they are loaded or not. there is no process that runs in the background
[22:14] <mavi>  heoyea: the stream on pavucontrol seems to move
[22:14] <_andyj_> escott, but UFW understands if it has loaded does it not?
[22:14] <heoyea> mavi: yea click on it and change it to ur device
[22:14] <escott> _andyj_, no it doesnt
[22:15] <mavi> heoyea: but i try to recording whit audacity that makes me choose only alsa mixer
[22:16] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: Maybe I need to find if my chipset is supported by lm-sensors
[22:16] <heoyea> mavi: then use alsamixer and enable the mic
[22:16] <InspectorCluseau> run sensors-detect again and note the chip id
[22:17] <heoyea> mavi: try in terminal, alsamixer
[22:17] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, ^
[22:17] <davf> I'm getting an error after installing windows xp and fixing grub ntoskrnl.exe missing. Any ideas?
[22:18] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: ... that's exactly the issue.... All I detect is coretemp nothing else :o
[22:18] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, If the chip id is ITE IT8728F there is a fix
[22:19] <mavi> heoyea=ok i've do that and i've brought up the volume of the mic
[22:19] <Doyle> Hi all. I have 2 boxes. 1 vbox, 12.10, 1 laptop, 12.10. Both fresh installs. All updates done. Connection manager setsup a pptp vpn to work on the vbox without issue, but cannot connect from the laptop. Any ideas?
[22:20] <heoyea> mavi: fixed then?
[22:21] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: where do I find the chip id ?
[22:21] <mavi> no..when i recording with audacity i hear a loud noise
[22:21] <mimisicu30> hi everyone
[22:22] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, sensors-detect should report what chip it finds
[22:22] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: it only detects coretemp and nothing else
[22:23] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, If you are getting the core temp ... some chip is providing that
[22:23] <_andyj_> escott: rebooted machine, both iptables and ufw are saying my rules didn't load...  after sudo ufw enable everything is fine
[22:23] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: cool ! So how do I find out :)
[22:23] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, Then check the MB mfr for specs
[22:24] <InspectorCluseau> _r00t_, Then check the MB mfr for specs ... or laptop mfgr
[22:24] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: OK Let me check
[22:24] <alusion_> Hey ubuntu my x window display died how do I restart it?
[22:24] <mavi> heoyea: audacity makes me choose between various parameters like: HDA intel:alc 1200 digital, hdmi, default and pulse..I do not know which one to choose
[22:24] <_andyj_> escott: I have modified /etc/ufw/before.rules, for masquerade and some port forwarding.  But I have almost identical settings on another box without this problem.
[22:25] <heoyea> mavi: try them all
[22:26] <InspectorCluseau> alusion, Do you have a prompt?
[22:27] <alusion_> InspectorCluseau: I'm on tty at the moment
[22:27] <relipse> is there a way to make the close, minimize, maximize buttons go to the right side of the gui? (ubuntu 12.10)
[22:27] <InspectorCluseau> try stop gdm abd then startx
[22:28] <InspectorCluseau> and
[22:28] <alusion_> what's gdm?
[22:28] <zykotick9> alusion_: have you tried "sudo lightdm restart"?
[22:28] <k1l> dont use startx on ubuntu
[22:28] <jrib> !controls | relipse
[22:28] <escott> _andyj_, is the symlink present in /etc/init.d/ufw
[22:28] <jrib> relipse: I wonder if that still works...
[22:28] <k1l> InspectorCluseau: use the *dm that comes with ubuntu
[22:28] <zykotick9> alusion_: gdm is old DM, replaced by lightdm in more recent ubuntu versions
[22:28] <RedTheJackal> hey guys
[22:29] <RedTheJackal> i need help
[22:29] <_r00t_> lol : InspectorCluseau : Specifications : Click on ‘Start’> All Programs > Accessories > System Tools > System Information. ..... Gota love craphard bell
[22:29]  * _r00t_ knew he should have noted the motherboard model when he took the laptop to bits today
[22:29] <k1l> alusion: sudo restart lightdm
[22:29] <RedTheJackal> nothing will install when i do sudo-apt-get install somethiong
[22:29] <RedTheJackal> like
[22:29] <zykotick9> alusion_: SORRY have you tried "sudo service lightdm restart"?
[22:29] <Justin_jtb7rmv> hi guys
[22:30] <RedTheJackal> >1645 persons
[22:30] <mavi> heaoyea: no.. doesn't work thanks anyway
[22:30] <_andyj_> escott, yes
[22:30] <alusion_> I will see if these things work.
[22:30] <relipse> jrib dont think so
[22:30] <k1l> RedTheJackal: you have a errormsg?
[22:30] <RedTheJackal> i bet at least 1000 of these people have issues with it
[22:30] <bekks> RedTheJackal: Issues with what?
[22:30] <RedTheJackal> : Impossible de trouver le paquet ubuntu-tweak
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> k1l bekks
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> it says it cannot find the package of what i need to install
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> also other software
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> like barry
[22:31] <bekks> RedTheJackal: It is not part of the official repos.
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> a program for blackberries
[22:31] <alusion_> zykotick9: it's uh... kinda frozen. I feel like restarting maybe
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> a,d
[22:31] <RedTheJackal> so what ?
[22:31] <k1l> !find ubuntu-tweak
[22:32] <RedTheJackal> gnome-tweak that is
[22:32] <RedTheJackal> i forgoty
[22:32] <RedTheJackal> fucking been trying to make it work for one hour
[22:32] <k1l> RedTheJackal: its "gnome-tweak-tool"
[22:32] <RedTheJackal> yeah
[22:32] <RedTheJackal> not working
[22:32] <escott> _andyj_, i dont really know. i've never liked upstart
[22:32] <jrib> relipse: yeah, with global menu, it may not play nice
[22:32] <k1l> type "sudo apt-get install gnome-tweak-tool" and show the output in a pastebin please
[22:33] <RedTheJackal> Construction de l'arbre des dépendances       Lecture des informations d'état... Fait    E: Impossible de trouver le paquet gnome-tweak-tool
[22:33] <RedTheJackal> ha
[22:33] <relipse> k1l: are you talking to me?
[22:34] <relipse> i dont like the stupid buttons on the left side i'm used to windows!
[22:34] <RedTheJackal> nah wastalking to k1l
[22:34] <RedTheJackal> relipse : me too
[22:34] <RedTheJackal> a lot of things i'm used to with windows; the dumbest things don't work there
[22:35] <k1l> relipse: there should be the old trick, but i think its not working well with unity and the global-menu
[22:35] <RedTheJackal> and don't ask me to install ubuntu 12.
[22:35] <RedTheJackal> it's gay
[22:35] <RedTheJackal> 10.10 here
[22:35] <relipse> haha the dubmest thing is sales results from amazon.com
[22:35] <_r00t_> InspectorCluseau: Getting closer : http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://item.taobao.com/item.htm%3Fid%3D12397445548&prev=/search%3Fq%3D08G2003TE21G%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D688&sa=X&ei=cde7ULiKB4Wa1AWCoYGADw&ved=0CF0Q7gEwBQ
[22:35] <relipse> i like 10.04 personally
[22:35] <RedTheJackal> yeah it's nice, with gnome and all
[22:36] <RedTheJackal> not like that  unity thatturns your PC into an iphone
[22:36] <k1l> RedTheJackal: 10.10?  :/
[22:36] <k1l> RedTheJackal: thats important information
[22:36] <RedTheJackal> yeah tell me there's something wrong with that
[22:36] <k1l> RedTheJackal: and stop the flaming here
[22:36] <RedTheJackal> it's not my fault if canonical decided to make the shittiest UI
[22:37] <k1l> !language | RedTheJackal
[22:37] <RedTheJackal> even as a windows user i find it retarded on the u12. p
[22:37] <RedTheJackal> herf of course i should stay calm
[22:37] <RedTheJackal> i gottta work tomorrow and i cannot install one single program
[22:38] <RedTheJackal> and not only gnometweak it's the least of my concerns you guessed
[22:38] <k1l> RedTheJackal: since i cannot speak french you should ask in #ubuntu-fr
[22:38] <RedTheJackal> k1l
[22:38] <k1l> i think they get more info out of it
[22:38] <RedTheJackal> they all sleep tyhere lets make it in english
[22:38] <RedTheJackal> *there
[22:39] <k1l> RedTheJackal: then do a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" into a pastebin
[22:39] <_andyj_> is there a better place to ask questions for debugging UFW not loading rules on boot?
[22:39] <k1l> !paste | RedTheJackal
[22:40] <peloverde> Is there a tool in precise that can unpack xar archives?
[22:40] <RedTheJackal> k1l, tried to get you on pm, forget that
[22:40] <RedTheJackal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1405968/
[22:41] <RedTheJackal> impossible de recuperer means cannot retrieve
[22:41] <bekks> !find xar
[22:41] <bekks> peloverde: Most likely, no.
[22:41] <RedTheJackal> what are all these 404s ?
[22:41] <RedTheJackal> also
[22:42] <k1l> RedTheJackal: oh that is 10.10 not 11.10 what i thought. that is out of support and the repos are offline for that
[22:42] <RedTheJackal> why the fuck do ubuntu needs to be upgraded like someone said to be still working ? i know people who still run modern programs on either linux or XP
[22:42] <peloverde> There was a standalone xar tool in lucid. Why was is removed?
[22:42] <bekks> !LTS | RedTheJackal
[22:42] <k1l> RedTheJackal: if you want longtime support you should stick to LTS releases like 10.04 or 12.04
[22:42] <RedTheJackal> how do i do that?
[22:43] <RedTheJackal> from here ?
[22:43] <RedTheJackal> seriously why do they do that ?
[22:43] <IdleOne> RedTheJackal: Please stop cursing in here
[22:43] <k1l> RedTheJackal: its out of life. thats it
[22:43] <k1l> dont think microsoft would support windows 95 anymore
[22:44] <RedTheJackal> that's the dumest thing ever
[22:44] <RedTheJackal> no but it still works i bet
[22:44] <k1l> RedTheJackal: and stop swearing. its not appropriate in here
[22:44] <RedTheJackal> you install a program on a 10+ yo windows it will work
[22:44] <millun> heh
[22:44] <bekks> RedTheJackal: steam trains do work still, too, but you wont use them anymore, nowadays.
[22:45] <millun> hardly
[22:45] <RedTheJackal> WHY NOT ?
[22:45] <RedTheJackal> if i want to use it
[22:45] <escott> RedTheJackal, this is off-topic please stop
[22:45] <RedTheJackal> if i want to keep that old PC and not buy a new one for what i always done ?
[22:45] <dajxd> hey all, any compatibility issues with ubuntu studio and macbooks?  i'm on the live cd now, but the installer instacrashes right after the partition screen.
[22:45] <RedTheJackal> it's in topic
[22:45] <RedTheJackal>  i tell you what is fucked with your shit
[22:45] <k1l> RedTheJackal: you have to change the sources to "http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[22:45] <RedTheJackal> and fuck you
[22:45] <FloodBot1> RedTheJackal: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:45] <k1l> !ops RedTheJackal
[22:46] <NastyNaz> How can I go about setting up live-streaming (a la twitch.tv) for my own website using ubuntu server and apache?
[22:46] <wrd> hey is there a possibility to have apt-cache look for source packages instead of binary packages?
[22:47] <RedTheJackal> ok where do i contact a proper support ?
[22:48] <RedTheJackal> i know it's free but
[22:48] <RedTheJackal> if i ever had to pay right now i would
[22:48] <TheLordOfTime> RedTheJackal, you got the correct line of support.  YOu can upgrade ubuntu on your system, you know.
[22:48] <TheLordOfTime> if you don't want to do that, we can't help since 10.10 is past its life ending.
[22:48] <RedTheJackal> i don't want to
[22:48] <RedTheJackal> the newer versions , i tried , i saw, it's worse
[22:48] <TheLordOfTime> Then there you go.
[22:48] <davf> Ok, installed ubuntu, windows, fixed grub2, get a missing ntoskrnl.exe. windows recovery fixboot fixmbr > windows works. mount /dev/sda2 /mnt, grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda > ubuntu boots, windows - same ntoskrnl.exe error. Please help.
[22:48] <k1l> RedTheJackal: i tried to help you. i stated the right solution for your issue. but you just insult people and the project. so bb
[22:49] <wrd> RedTheJackal: http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop
[22:49] <davf> XP BTW
[22:49] <RedTheJackal> k1l : you know it's not true, you keep repeating the same thing
[22:49] <RedTheJackal> all of my stuffs worked for a while
[22:49] <RedTheJackal> now "oh; ubuntu from 2010 is out of date"
[22:50] <k1l> RedTheJackal: i bet you even didnt saw my answer while you were flaming ubuntu and insulting us
[22:50] <escott> IdleOne, can you deal with this guy please
[22:50] <RedTheJackal> even MS don't force people to upgrade to win8 why do a FREE software community force people to upgrade to something they do not want
[22:50] <TheLordOfTime> RedTheJackal, all versions of Ubuntu go end of life, read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[22:50] <RedTheJackal> k1l yea
[22:50] <TheLordOfTime> RedTheJackal, and Microsoft EOLs stuff too.
[22:50]  * TheLordOfTime pokes IdleOne
[22:50] <escott> TheLordOfTime, just ignore him please
[22:50] <k1l> !offtopic | RedTheJackal
[22:50] <RedTheJackal> TheLordOfTime: it is not a reason to switch them off
[22:51]  * RedTheJackal blocks ubottu
[22:51] <k1l> !ops | RedTheJackal
[22:51] <RedTheJackal> oh you
[22:51] <RedTheJackal> so what distro should i download
[22:51] <jrib> RedTheJackal: do you have an actual ubuntu support question?  If so, ask it.  If not, please take the non-support talk to #ubuntu-offtopic.  Thanks.
[22:51] <RedTheJackal> yah one simple thing let's go
[22:51] <TheLordOfTime> jrib, scroll up, he asked a question, got an answer, now's griping.
[22:52] <RedTheJackal> and no i stick with 10.10 how do i :
[22:52] <RedTheJackal> download a tar.gz
[22:52] <TheLordOfTime> s/griping/perseverating/
[22:52] <RedTheJackal> and make it run ?
[22:52] <k1l> RedTheJackal: i answered a solution for your problem
[22:52] <jrib> RedTheJackal: as you were told, 10.10 is no longer supported.  You're advised to upgrade.  You're free to ignore the advice, but we also won't support it here.
[22:52] <k1l> read the backlog. and stop that childish behaviour
[22:52] <IdleOne> !compile | RedTheJackal
[22:53] <RedTheJackal> that means i need to upgrade to what ? 12.12
[22:53] <RedTheJackal> and end with that cluttered desktop ?
[22:53] <RedTheJackal> and have to reinstall all my programs ?
[22:53] <RedTheJackal> why?
[22:54] <rhin0> i think it will retain your desktop
[22:54] <RedTheJackal> no, it has uniuty
[22:54] <RedTheJackal> *unity
[22:54] <rhin0> well move to xubuntu then
[22:54] <InspectorCluseau> get 12.04
[22:54] <rhin0> xubuntu = ubuntu for people who don't like unity
[22:54] <jrib> RedTheJackal: you can upgrade to 12.04 (latest LTS) or 12.10 (the latest stable release).  Ubottu will send you instructions.  You will keep your programs.  You can choose whatever interface you wish.
[22:54] <InspectorCluseau> and lts is good
[22:54] <jrib> !upgrade > RedTheJackal
[22:54] <rhin0> or lubuntu .. my preference = xubuntu
[22:54] <j3llo> or install ubuntu-classic
[22:54] <InspectorCluseau> LTS
[22:55] <RedTheJackal> well well wel; this is a copre2duo with 1 gig of ram not like 12.x will even boot
[22:55] <RedTheJackal> lol
[22:56] <jrib> RedTheJackal: I run the lubuntu environment perfectly fine on a pentium 4.  Even unity is not that bad on it
[22:56] <RedTheJackal> again
[22:57] <RedTheJackal> why should i upgrade from something that work or used to work
[22:57] <RedTheJackal> can someone explain to me, an user
[22:57] <Catbuntu> Hi
[22:57] <jrib> RedTheJackal: again: because it is no longer supported.  i.e. you are not getting security updates.
[22:57] <k1l> RedTheJackal: because its not supported anymore. thats it. you can use what you want but dont ask for support in here.
[22:57] <IdleOne> RedTheJackal: Going to ask you to stop with the complaining. I understand you are frustrated and I understand why you don't like the Unity desktop (you have other options). This channel is for actual support, you have been given that support. it does not give you the right to monopolize the channel with your opinions.
[22:58] <k1l> RedTheJackal: + i told you what to do to use your EOL desktop. but you even didnt read that because you were busy instulting us
[22:58] <RedTheJackal> so lead me to a channel with ubuntu/gnome support
[22:58] <RedTheJackal> simple
[22:58] <k1l> RedTheJackal: so stop it or go!
[22:58] <IdleOne> Now please stop or I will stop you.
[22:58] <RedTheJackal> nah k1l you don't know more than the random /g/eek sorry
[22:58] <RedTheJackal> k bye
[23:00] <IdleOne> !canibeanop > escott
[23:03] <escott> if anyone was holding off on asking questions b/c of the chatter. the channel is clear now. please ask
[23:04] <davf> So I was just reading online that Grub 2 can't be used with Windows XP in a dual boot situation. Is that true?
[23:04] <escott> davf, i've never heard that. where are you seeing that
[23:04] <davf> Every thread I'm reading about fixing my problem with the ntoskrnl.exe problem I'm having is recommended to go back to Grub and avoid grub 2
[23:05] <davf> escott ^
[23:05] <escott> davf, i cant say ive ever used that particular combination of grub2+xp, but i cant imagine it doesn't work
[23:05] <SierraAR> I have a dual boot between ubuntu 12.04 and windows 7, I'm wondering if there's a way to create another partition of about 50-100GB that both systems can read and write to, for the purpose of sharing files between windows and ubuntu
[23:06] <Shirakawasuna> davf: I dual-booted using grub2 + xp and didn't have that problem, but it could still solve yours
[23:06] <escott> SierraAR, your best bet is to apt-get install ntfs-3g and use an ntfs partition
[23:06] <Shirakawasuna> SierraAR: yes
[23:06] <davf> Shirakawasuna - I'm listening.
[23:06] <Shirakawasuna> davf: It's not that helpful - it 'just worked'
[23:06] <r33P33r> heya
[23:06] <spm_Draget> I used apt-add-repository to add an ppa repository (otto-something for gimp 2.8). Sadly, an existing png-export-bug still existed in 2.8, including lots of broken hotkey settings etc. So I wanted to switch back to gimp 2.6. I used apt-get remove gimp to uninstall it, removed the .list files from /etc/apt/sources.list.d and did an apt-get update.
[23:06] <davf> hmm...
[23:07] <zykotick9> !ppa-purge | spm_Draget
[23:07] <spm_Draget> But now I am unable to instlal gimp because it says 'gimp depends on libgimp2.0 but 2.8.2... should be installed
[23:07] <escott> davf, i would try it. i doubt you will have trouble
[23:07] <davf> escott try grub vs grub2?
[23:07] <escott> davf, try grub2
[23:07] <spm_Draget> I will try
[23:08] <escott> spm_Draget, can you paste.ubuntu.com the full output from apt-get intall gimp
[23:08] <davf> I am trying it. I can't boot windows xp. ntoskrnl.exe missing.
[23:08] <davf> escott &
[23:08] <SierraAR> escott, k. It's already installed it seems. Should I use gparted or something else to handle the partitions? (I created the two partitions for win/ubuntu via the ubuntu installation process)
[23:09] <escott> SierraAR, gparted is a good tool
[23:10] <spm_Draget> zykotick9: ppa-purge does not work since it removed the .list files, it does not find the ppa anymore.
[23:10] <spm_Draget> escott: http://dpaste.com/840319
[23:10] <escott> davf, hmmm. you can switch back to grub1 and maybe that would help. (apt-get remove grub-pc; apt-get install grub-legacy)
[23:11] <SierraAR> escott, alright, thanks. I'll see if this works out. Will there be any problems with me taking some space off my ubuntu partition for this new partition while I'm running ubuntu?
[23:11] <spm_Draget> I do not understand why after removing the repository and doing apt-update apt still knows anything about 2.8
[23:11] <davf> ok,
[23:11] <escott> davf, but this is mostly a windows problem... so i dont really know why windows is unhappy
[23:11] <zykotick9> spm_Draget: i'd readd the ppa then...
[23:11] <escott> SierraAR, yes you have to do it from the livecd
[23:12] <davf> escott. not a windows problem. def grub2. I can go into windows recover - fixboot - fixmbr > windows boots fine.
[23:12] <SierraAR> I shall be back soon then, hopefully with successful news.
[23:13] <escott> davf, its a windows problem to the extent that windows is being handed the boot and then cant figure out how to put its pants on and get out the door. i basically never boot windows so im not the person to ask
[23:13] <spm_Draget> Okay, I followed zykotick9 idea and added the repository again and then used ppa-purge, seems to have solved the issue
[23:15] <davf> escott - grub-legacy isn't in the packages
[23:16] <escott> davf, hmmm there is in my dpkg -l. maybe try just plain "grub" a lot of these are aliases for each other... seems somebody was unsure what to call the different versions given that there are now 3 different ones
[23:17] <jesusemelendezm> can I manage windows machines with ubuntu landscape?
[23:17] <escott> jesusemelendezm, what is "landscape"
[23:17] <davf> grub was it
[23:17] <zykotick9> escott: canonicals network management software
[23:18] <escott> zykotick9, til. thanks
[23:19] <davf> escott - do grub not detect windows?
[23:19] <escott> davf, its been ages since ive seen a grub1 system. it should have some facility for checking for other oses and building menu.cfg. i think that facility is the same "update-grub" but i dont know
[23:20] <acidflash> sure it does
[23:20] <acidflash> sometimes its an issue of it not presenting it properly though
[23:20] <acidflash> or running a special type of grub detect
[23:20] <acidflash> man grub
[23:21]  * angelpossum needs a hug from someone
[23:21] <escott> angelpossum, as long as you dont bite. anything we can help with
[23:22]  * angelpossum hugs esctt hello
[23:23] <jarco> hello people, I am following this guide on installing smac on ubuntu http://www.personal.psu.edu/emw5051/smac.html. (i use 12.10) i installed it and it works but the sound is not working. The tutorial sais to install ossp (point 3) but that doesn't exist in ubuntu. And the guide is incorrect (url is not valid). Are there other ways to get sound?
[23:27] <Grant_P> Hello All, I've ran out of disk space on ssd. Can see both encryptfs and /home/dir exist? Seems to be duplicating the data, is this normal?
[23:29] <wrd> jarco: do you also have the windows version? it seems people run the windows version via wine just fine.
[23:30] <SierraAR_Web> escott: Still around?
[23:30] <jarco> wrd I could get it I assume
[23:31] <jarco> I ll try that one
[23:31] <wrd> jarco: they have sound issues though. (seems to be some 22khz problem with pulseaudio).
[23:32] <wrd> jarco: see http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=332
[23:32] <jarco> I ll try it. If it doesn't work i ll try to get the linux version running
[23:33] <jarco> thanks for the suggestion
[23:33] <SierraAR_Web> Ok so I'm running off a livecd atm, attempting to use gparted to take 25GB off of my windows 7 and ubuntu partitions to create a 50GB ntfs partition that both installs can share
[23:34] <SierraAR_Web> http://imageshack.us/a/img831/6494/screenshotfrom201212022.png
[23:34] <SierraAR_Web> I've gotten that far, but I'm uncertain how to proceed with creating the 50GB partition from there
[23:36] <angelpossum> hey do you know a place where i can role play emote
[23:37] <SierraAR_Web> angelpossum: I don't know of any roleplaying channels on freenode, but there is a roleplaying network - irc.darkmyst.org
[23:38] <angelpossum> uh not that kind the kind like this
[23:39]  * angelpossum hugs SierraAR_Web 
[23:53] <escott> SierraAR_Web, yes
[23:53] <escott> SierraAR_Web, in and out cooking
[23:54] <escott> SierraAR_Web, thats a little awkward those regions need to be contiguous to be useful
[23:54] <escott> SierraAR_Web, and moving a partition forward is very very slow
[23:55] <escott> SierraAR_Web, in your case even doubly so because you have that extended partition. and the two little partitions sda5, sda6 in between
[23:56] <escott> SierraAR_Web, i would just take the 100GB from sda7 and forget about trying to borrow from sda2
[23:58] <escott> SierraAR_Web, anyways food on the stove. need to head downstairs. if you havent hit the check mark in gparted i would close out of it without commiting the pending changes and just take all the space you need from sda7
[23:58] <SierraAR_Web> escott: Alright, so something like http://imageshack.us/a/img820/6494/screenshotfrom201212022.png
[23:58] <SierraAR_Web> Sorry for the delay in responding, I found and was reading a gparted tutoiral
[23:58] <escott> SierraAR_Web, yes
[23:58] <SierraAR_Web> tutorial*
[23:58] <SierraAR_Web> escott: thanks
[23:59] <escott> SierraAR_Web, you also ended up with a little sda8 there. not sure what that is for
[23:59] <SierraAR_Web> I'm not sure myself. That was already there when I launched gparted
[23:59] <escott> SierraAR_Web, yea its in both. odd